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3:00 PM
I guess it's standard, but one interpretation of what I read was that any possible idea (even going to the toilet) was owned by them (related or not to the employment, I think was the wording)
 
ooooh weird @towc
not related to employment? That's shitty
Mine always say related to the same field as employment
 
I never liked that.
 
or I make sure they do lol
you can cross out words and initial/sign as well
 
Basically anything you come up with is now their property.
 
and they can request me to hand over any "relevant material", where material is defined as anything that has anything related to the company on it
wait, let me find the actual words
 
3:01 PM
Sounds like you're going to work in a coding farm, lol.
 
@towc that's actually pretty standard now in a lot of organisations - especially agencies/dev shops
 
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@towc just don't fuck it up
 
Yea I'll sign them when they say using employer hardware, and on employer time, or related to the same field of employment, that's all fair
 
@towc Make sure to have them sign your counter-NDA
 
3:03 PM
but anything other than that, nope.
 
feel free to tell me if I'm writing too much, but here's how it goes:
 
@towc Basically if you do side work don't do it at work and don't talk about it at work.
 
first part after the definitions:
> The Company will be the exclusive owner of all Confidential Information, Inventions,
Materials and Proprietary Rights.
 
The company owns everything you invent?
Yeah don't give them that
 
are there conditions on it? Like whilst working for them
 
3:04 PM
> “Invention”​ means any product, device, technique, know-how, computer program, computer
code, algorithm, method, lesson plan, curriculum, publication, process, procedure,
improvement, discovery or invention, whether or not patentable or copyrightable and whether
or not reduced to practice, that (a) is within the scope of the Company’s business, research or
investigations or results from or is suggested by any work performed by me for the Company
and (b) is created, conceived, reduced to practice, developed, discovered, invented or made by
note the last bit
> made by me during the Term, whether solely or jointly with others, and whether or not while engaged in
performing work for the Company.
 
eh screw that part
 
wooaahh thats broad
 
Pretty standard
 
yeah the first part is totally fine, A is REALLY standard
B is totally shitty.
I would cross that out entirely before signing
and initial that, and have them initial it as well
 
depending where you live they might not even be able to legally enforce that anyway
 
3:05 PM
> “Material”​ means any product, prototype, model, document, diskette, tape, picture, design,
recording, writing or other tangible item which contains or manifests, whether in printed,
handwritten, coded, magnetic or other form, any Confidential Information, Invention or
Proprietary Right.
 
Wait, it's normal to not be allowed to create something related to your job in your spare time?
 
yeah so if you draw some sweet picture, it's theirs.
 
Or at least, to not own it
 
note that it includes pretty much anything related to inventions
 
cause that's fucked up
 
3:06 PM
 
Whatever you produce while on company time, belongs to the company
 
your new job
 
How is that surprising?
 
@OliverSalzburg did you not read B)
 
@OliverSalzburg I said in spare time
 
3:06 PM
> b) is created, conceived, reduced to practice, developed, discovered, invented or made by
me during the Term, whether solely or jointly with others, **and whether or not while engaged in
performing work for the Company.**
 
@OliverSalzburg from the wording, I think it says also while not on company time
 
You should've said "SNAIL TIME"
that's his term for spare time
 
it's the condition that comes after it B is your condition.
 
> is within the scope of the Company’s business, research or investigations
 
> and whether or not while engaged in
performing work for the Company.
 
3:07 PM
@Loktar No. I intentionally stopped reading specifically before the paragraph we're discussing right now
 
lol
 
A is standard because it's basically to prevent you from setting up a competing product whilst working for them
 
i have a problem. basicly the .value property of my element doesnt work, and my teacher doesnt want to help me so i guess this is my last resourt (papa roach reference). Im new to javascript but i looked at the code and it seems fine. it works when i dont acces the .value property but when i access the .value nothing works.
ill post the code
 
I'm starting to regret this, but I already signed it
I didn't want to be that guy, but that might not have been a good idea
 
Like, if you create some software that your employer would buy, they shouldn't just get it automatically
 
3:08 PM
function verfica() {

		alert("verificar");

		var user = document.getElementById("user");
		var pass = document.getElementById("password");
		var ver = false;

		if(user.value != "user")
		{
			alert("Credenciais erradas!");
			return ver
		}

		if(pass.value != "1234")
		{
			alert("Credenciais erradas!");
			return ver
		}

		ver = true;
		alert("Entrou");
		return ver;

	}
this is my code
it doesnt enter the if
but it enters the function
why is that?
 
whch one
 
both
the .value property doesnt wrok
 
I kind of wanted to ask for a short-term NDA, maybe like a week, before the details of the rest were figured out
 
that suggests pass.value and user.value aren't what you expect them to be.
 
then user.value is "user" and pass.value is "1234"
 
3:09 PM
@towc I wouldnt worry too much about it. Like I said do work on the side but just dont talk about it at work
 
@towc While you could interpret it that way, it's still not surprising
 
what do you mean
 
@towc seriously agencies have that stuff all the time, just dont compete with them whilst you work there.
 
@KevinB they're actually what he expects
 
I haven't heard of them ever pressing legal charges or anything, so that's good
 
3:09 PM
I wouldn't want to accept "Yeah, but I invented that while I wasn't at work. I promise!" either
 
i mean, if he expects them to go into the if conditional, i'd assume they aren't what he expects them to be, considering it isn't going into the if conditional
 
"Neoares they arent
 
@towc just dont tell them - how would they know?
 
if conditionals aren't magic.
 
just add console.log(user.value) before the if
 
3:10 PM
also, I didn't know counter-NDAs were a thing
 
and see what's logging
 
if i try to do alert(user.log) it shows nothing
 
if it isn't going into it, then the condition is evaluating to false.
 
ok ill try that
 
user.value, not user.log
 
3:11 PM
also, at interview, they said there was an apartment included, which is why I accepted a slightly lower wage, but now they're saying it's not
 
@towc I had a NDA at my last place and I did a lot of work on the side - I was technically competing but they never even knew because I didnt blab my mouth and secondly it is VERY risky for a company to sue a developer for doing side work -
 
well it worked for the user, but not for the password
 
still, they gave me the keys and I went to see it. I would normally pay maybe 600€/mo for it, but they gave it to me for 300€/mo, which is ok
 
it says it cant read from null
in the password field
but i typed things there
 
then you don't have any element whose ID is "password"
 
3:12 PM
ok ill check if i named it pass
 
cause it's saying that "pass" is null
check everything, it doesn't seem anything hard to solve
 
also, I got my first work email :D
 
@Neoares //Password: <input type="password" id="password "name="password">
var pass = document.getElementById("password");
thats what i have
it seems right
 
another tab to fill up my browser
 
looks correct
no
missing double quote
no, there's a space
 
3:13 PM
omg xD
 
id="password "
 
i missed that
yes i see it now
ill fix and see if it works
 
it will
 
it works now
thanks man!
 
and damn. Hard to believe I'll be living alone again. I don't think that's a good idea
or maybe it's a great idea
I've been living with a friend for the past month, and I've had nightmares every single day. Before that I didn't sleep enough to be able to dream. Being alone in a place with decent noise control might help me sleep a lot better, but also make the nightmares so much worse
this time I was in North Korea with some midschool buddies, and they were laughing at how poor and mistreated people were, literally pointing at people on fire, while they were eating rich kid food
 
3:20 PM
@towc Don't complain about your psychological problems here, see a professional if you actually care
 
neither the professional will care
 
is here anybody with VUE.JS experience ?
 
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Wow, that's some timing if I've ever seen it
 
> rich kid food
 
3:22 PM
ok i will see.
 
@hilli_micha indeed
 
@parladneupane yes
 
i am on large microfinance project and jquery is really mess
so i am planing to implement vue js there
 
I already like this guy
 
you knew there is always , doubt , can i have all implementation and documentation like jquery?
 
3:25 PM
I enjoy a good nightmare after the fact, very realistic scary movie type stuff, don't have to pay for it and never disappointed with the ending
 
i just call API for backend . It is JEE project, @towc, so what is your experience on implementing DOM rendering thing to take over complex js. Thank you
 
@towc you might want to go to the psychologist
told ya
 
Yea yea
 
"rich kid food" in North Korea is uncooked rice
 
"rich kid food" in North Korea is "not rich kids" in North Korea
 
user1596138
3:30 PM
Meh nvm, I won't stoke it
 
You will, however, tell everyone how you're not stoking it
 
user1596138
I changed my mind
 
you can not change your mind in the Internet
 
It's not allowed, all or nothing
 
the damage is done
now assume your fate
 
3:36 PM
@Cereal Now that I have a decent rig, assuming I unfuck the onboard/dedicated GPU issue, I might start playing SC II again.
 
@Trasiva :o
 
I just have to see if i can fix the driver issue that's causing the display the freeze when it switches from the dedicated to the onboard.
 
Just disable the onboard
problem solved
 
how often do you need to switch?
 
Disabling the onboard isn't a long term solution.
Especially considering how much battery drain it'll cause.
 
3:39 PM
This is true
 
The onboard is your primary GPU, the dedicated is only supposed to be utilized when gaming and such.
 
well the onboard must be working right?
 
I know
 
it's just the switching that causes issues?
 
Does it only happen when you play fullscreen games, or windowed fullscreen?
 
3:40 PM
disable one or the other
 
It's working, but it pukes when it switches.
I wasn't even playing a game when it happened.
 
or return it
 
But it sure as hell switched.
 
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@Trasiva they never "switch"
 
3:41 PM
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They might both run at once, but it never "switches" to dedicated
 
@Loktar I actually bookmarked that an hour ago for when I get home, lol.
 
@Jhawins what do you mean? One becomes the display
 
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Well okay maybe you can make them seitch. But when you start a program that uses the dedicated it is all that uses the dedicated, the window manager stays on onboard, etc
 
just like they did it back in the day
 
3:42 PM
@Feeds Took you long enough
 
when there were 3d dedicated cards that couldn't do 2d
 
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@Loktar You're almost always using both at once if you're using dedicated. From my understanding
 
user1596138
I thought it went to literally per-window
 
@Jhawins I would imagine the actual video feed switches
 
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Cause I can run multiple things at once on each one like you can specify..
 
3:43 PM
yeah same, like I run Chrome via the nvidia gpu
and random stuff via the intel
 
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There's a little tray icon too that like shows you which apps are on the GPU and which are on the integrated. Idk?
 
Switchable graphics are some sort of black magic
 
user1596138
I have a laptop too
 
aren't they all just pixels on the same flat screen
 
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SO it's not like my outputs are separated like a desktop with both
 
3:45 PM
seems weird to me for a portion of the screen to use a different gpu
 
> When a user launches an application, the graphics driver tries to determine whether the application would benefit from the discrete GPU. If so, the GPU is powered up from an idle state and is passed all rendering calls. Even in this case, though, the integrated graphics processor (IGP) is used to output the final image. When less demanding applications are used, the IGP takes sole control, allowing for longer battery life and less fan noise.
Nvidia Optimus is a computer GPU switching technology created by Nvidia which, depending on the resource load generated by client software applications, will seamlessly switch between two graphics adapters within a computer system in order to provide either maximum performance or minimum power draw from the system's graphics rendering hardware. A typical platform includes both a lower-performance integrated graphics processor by Intel and a high-performance one by Nvidia. Optimus saves battery life by automatically switching the power of the discrete graphics processing unit (GPU) off when it is...
 
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@Loktar That's what I thought like it all goes through one place in the end
 
^
 
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Except when you use linux, you have to boot with the GPU you want to use
 
that makes more sense
 
3:47 PM
> An attempt by Nvidia to support Optimus through DMA BUF, a Linux kernel-mechanism for sharing buffers across hardware (potentially GPUs), was rebuffed by kernel developers in January 2012 due to license incompatibility between the GPL-licensed kernel-code and the proprietary-licensed Nvidia blob.[8]
lol
 
@Loktar I can totally agree with that tbh
 
yeah dumb on Nvidias part to license it stupidly
but that's what they do
 
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3:58 PM
I had a cute bug today for blob downloads
 
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const anchor = document.createElement('a');
anchor.download = fileName;
anchor.href = url;
anchor.style = 'display: none';

anchor.click();
document.body.appendChild(anchor);
 
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Worked in everything but FF....
 
@SterlingArcher My biggest problem with it is people taking things out of context and sensationalizing them
Hi, mum! Oh wait, she doesn't use the internet
 
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I was clicking a thing before I appended it. SUper odd that it worked in everything else haha
 
@BoltClock that's how social networks work
 
4:00 PM
true
 
I just let them go
 
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@BoltClock If only there were more options for a post than "positive" or "slightly less positive"
 
@BoltClock hear hear!
 
user1596138
I.e. +1 something or ignore it. No such thing as bad content on social media
 
lol the issue isn't even then sensationalism on social media, it's people taking that sensationalism seriously 😋
 
4:04 PM
ban assault memes
 
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We still post assault memes cause we're not Dick's
 
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I saw that on a banner for a gun store "We sell ARs because we're not Dick's" (note the apostrophe and don't flag me)
 
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facebook.com/theguntown/photos/… I found it (I actually drove by it a few weeks ago but they had posted it too)
 
@Loktar finally done with divinity
 
woah really?
how many hours?
 
4:11 PM
dunno
 
I assumed that was a multi hundreds hour game
 
a lot
steam says 276 hours but that's because I never closed it
must have been at least 50 hours
of play
probably more
it was super long though
it outlived its appeal somewhat
 
heh
I should play it just haven't been in the mood for a game like that recently
 
yeah, I was totally in the mood for it
but I just wanted to finish at some point, it was taking too much time
 
I've been over indie 2d pixel graphics games for a while... but LOVING this game, store.steampowered.com/app/624320/…
I need to beat that, then the new total war is out Friday
 
4:15 PM
yeah I'm not going to try 2d :P
but total war :o
warhammer was super fun
meh, thrones of britannia
 
yeah I need to finish a campaign in Warhammer 2 still
I love all the total war games though, mostly anyway
Rome is still my fav
 
doesn't sound like it has dragons
 
haha no dragons
 
arthur had a dragon
it's in the bible
 
for anyone who might be watching the chat lol
 
4:17 PM
they should make a GoT total war
 
Battle For Wesnoth, holy crap
 
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@Loktar BUYING
 
@Loktar why tf would Tim Cook care about total war
 
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I used to play that on ubuntu
 
@Jhawins it's free better yet 😀
 
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4:18 PM
Dude it's free hah
 
@KendallFrey idk dude
he's a master strategist
 
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@everyone Battle for Wesnoth tournament this weekend store.steampowered.com/app/599390/Battle_for_Wesnoth
 
Why do the Release Notes in VS Code open in a tab in the application, but when you start VS Code for the first time, it needs to open the "Getting Started" BS in the browser?
 
what's battle for wesnoth
 
@Mosho game that's been continuously developed for freaking ever
open source strategy game
 
4:20 PM
hmm never heard
it says it was released in 2003 hmm
 
@Loktar those are the best games
 
yeah for sure
 
user1596138
@Mosho It's been available on nix for about that long too
 
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There's some distro where it comes installed
 
lol
nice
 
4:23 PM
Does it have good singleplayer?
 
started working on a typescript solution that uses webpack and jest which has some spec files which use the expect syntax. any idea how i can start using the assert convention?
 
@im1dermike "A lot of manual editing" is not the answer you're looking for, I guess?
 
i tried running npm install chai hoping that's all i needed...
but alas
 
O_o
But alas what?
 
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@KendallFrey it has good AI to play against.
 
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4:27 PM
Not strictly single player
 
How would it compare to, say, Civ V?
 
alas that didn't result in assert syntax miraculously working
 
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I mean I haven't played it in like 8 years so. Don't take my word on it
 
user1596138
It's more age of empires-ey
 
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Iirc
 
4:28 PM
@im1dermike So you want to use Chai?
 
user1596138
I haven't played Civ V.
 
it was my understanding chai was the library that allowed assert
(new to front-end unit testing)
 
Well, it is a library that supports assert-style
This has nothing to do with frontend
It applies generically
 
@Jhawins AoE is RTS, not TBS, though, right?
 
is jest an alternative to chai?
 
user1596138
4:30 PM
!!shrug
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@KendallFrey it's like a tactical RPG in a way
 
I thought jest was a test runner
 
closer to something like Fire Emblem
 
see i don't know what any of this shit means
 
4:30 PM
it's more about battles between units
not city building
 
i'm just gonna go build a silicon mine
 
@Loktar please choose a new avatar
 
no
You're my tears now
 
fair enough I tried
 
so then is there a library responsible for expect working?
 
4:31 PM
!!ban Loktar
 
@Vap0r The user will be thrown into mindjail in 1 more invocations
 
I crie blue tears every tiem
 
@Loktar oh shoot sorry I forgot that was an actual command
 
lmao
np
Why don't you like my new avatar :(
 
Next time I'll use IRC / commands
lol I guess I just became so used to your other one
It really threw me off
 
4:32 PM
ooh, haha yea I change every year or so
 
@im1dermike Okay. Apparently jest does a lot more than I thought. I actually have no idea then
 
gotta keep the ladies guessing
 
I'm not sure if jest even supports other assertion libraries
 
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Imma get on the avatar change game
 
oh dear not again
 
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4:37 PM
Just need to pick another pic of me close to dying
 
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Avatar, not name lmao
 
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The snapchat filter tho!
 
why you do this to me and make me drag n drop
 
> Status: Not Available
ugh
 
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4:46 PM
 
user1596138
The entire original tie rod is still in there
 
is that rebar in a car
 
user1596138
That's a rebar tie rod. You can see I drew the red line where the original tie rod is bent straight up lmao
 
user1596138
One way to get out of the trail...
 
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Tho it would have been easier and cheaper to just go buy a tie rod and replace it on the trail.... So idfk
 
4:48 PM
rebar tie rod. It's like what happens when you combine genius with poor decision making lol
 
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At least it isn't JB welded
 
is today avatar change day
aight
 
welcome to SO please show your code.... — לבני מלכה 52 secs ago
 
I love it
 
Did anybody else read that like Idiocracy? "Welcome to Costco I love you"
 
4:55 PM
11/10 welcoming
 
for some reason his name is inside the time stamp
52 name seconds ago
 
user1596138
Try to visit my profile page on Main in Chrome lmao
 
When a user tries to log in with an unexisting username: should I tell them the "username doesn't exist"? Or is that TMI?
 
 

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