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2:00 PM
@towc can't find them online, but you can for sure get a pack of sponges for like $4 at the dollar store
that's where we buy ours
 
I should try making models to print.
 
@rlemon how many?
~10?
 
10 or 20
can't remember, it's a big pack
 
they're even cheaper for larger car sponges
those are a few $ at the Despot
 
yea amazon is crazy expensive for sponges
I'm seeing a 5 pack here for like $30
cheesus amazon
 
2:01 PM
yeah, a lot of small disposable household stuff is like that
I just assumed economies of shipping and such
if you buy an entire carton at once it tends to be cheaper
 
Ok, so coming from PHP/SQL to node/express/mongoose, I am struggling with some things. I cant get the database data into my views.I get "data is undefined".Here is the hastebin
 
all coins are blowing. what is wrong?
 
The data is in the database, I am using the mlab cloud interface.
 
> 5 pack here for like $30
 
2:04 PM
@KendallFrey Kitchener is serious about road closures
 
@ptts switch line 7 and 9
 
I can get 10 for 1 eur
 
you put em backwards
 
@KarelG I was making fun of Amazon.ca prices
 
2:04 PM
Let me know if you build the bed!
 
you only have to watch spongebob for that, Oliver
 
@ssube
thanks, that made it work
 
@KarelG I wish they had the series on Netflix
I dig that sponge's attitude
 
Just to understand, the data was out of scope, right?
 
@rlemon @KamilSolecki @Luggage @SterlingArcher so before I start rimworld, are there any mods I should install or settings to tweak? Or just go straight in?
 
2:09 PM
Never go straight in
 
angle it slightly
@KendallFrey look into fuses. That's the only mod I use
 
@KendallFrey honestly. it's pretty good vanilla. but I do have a list of mods I can recommend. you want game changing? aesthetics? or what?
 
and sometimes not even that
 
@rlemon Anything good for a first time (so probably not new game mechanics/content)
quality of life maybe
 
kk, lemmy put together a small list
 
2:11 PM
@ssube
With moongoose, what is the best way to populate a db while preventing copies on every refresh/code change? Right now, whenever I run the save method, I have to comment out the previous lines.
 
mongoose and mongo in general struggle with data consistency. Not sure if that's your problem.
 
I will probably try mods later on, just wondering if there's anything must-have
 
any responsible advice will boil down to "don't use mongo" eventually
 
I need to read more
 
@KendallFrey yes, a few
1 sec
 
2:13 PM
I'm curious what you consider must have mods
 
use a skin that makes it look like dwarf fortress
 
fuses are it for me, the extra joy items and floors are nice
 
@ssube A good example would be something that doesn't change the gameplay but does some task for you, like Kerbal Engineer.
 
I have a bunch like that for KSP, but in Rimworld, that's like all the game does.
 
@towc The shitty DF UI is a big part of what makes me want to play rimworld
 
2:19 PM
whenever I face your situation of something that "doesn't change the gameplay but does some task for you", I realize that whatever happens, given enough time, you can win the game, so I just give up on the game
 
DF's UI is miserable (and I live on a cli)
 
gosh, that seems to be a common theme in my life
must be some sort of logical fallacy
or a proper thing to do
 
@towc Can't win the game if you give up on it
 
> you're facing the possibility to do A, you know you can do A, so you don't do A
 
now you've done nothing, congrats :D
 
@ssube @KendallFrey
 
But 0 mods are needed to enjoy
 
^
 
You may not survive long enough your first game to get to them.
 
2:21 PM
or your second
 
@ssube but then what do
 
@towc do A and see what happens
 
@rlemon have you tried 3d printing some sort of crazy automation yet ?
 
there are a bunch of other mods I can recommend, but afaik they are not working with b18
 
@ssube my brain is just stuck at that sentence
why do A, when you can do something else?
 
2:23 PM
@ShrekOverflow no
 
@towc why not?
 
and then there's also stuff that I just think I can't do, so I don't even try
 
Are you intersted?
 
not really
 
only don't do things when you have a compelling reason not to
 
2:23 PM
not atm at least.
 
@ssube
Nah, the data is ok so far, just looking for a way to populate the db with a function rather than manually. But there seems no solution. So, if mongooses/mongoDB weaknesses are too large in the long run, what else to use with node/express?
 
otherwise, default to doing it
it's called exploring
 
@ssube I don't know. I'm just stuck, and somehow I'm ok with that
 
ok, I found this on the web and now its giving me ideas instructables.com/id/3D-Printed-Walking-Robot-Klann-Linkage
 
@ptts it sounds like you want a function to run once, before everything else. That should probably live in a script you run rather than with the rest of your code.
@towc you're not ok with it, you complain here every day
 
2:24 PM
@ssube well, exploring would be doing things you think you can't do, but others think you can
 
@towc that's only a small part
 
or doing things you think you can't do, and neither do others
 
@rlemon Followup question, how easy is it to add mods mid-game? Do most of them break stuff?
 
really depends on the mod
 
wtf is it with VS Code lately not showing stack traces when you hit a breakpoint?
 
2:25 PM
@ssube I complain about the things I think I can't do
 
most mods will tell you on the workshop page if you can add to an existing save
 
because that's what I try to do
 
It only shows them once I step one line further
 
and honestly I'd do it all over again, even if I complain
 
Which is hard if the line you're breaking on is a throw statement
 
2:25 PM
@towc and you convince yourself that everything falls in that bucket, so you don't have to deal with the challenge of trying
 
if the mod adds a new skill or new research paths, it'll be a 50/50 that it'll break the game
 
it's literally a textbook example and we've all done it, that's what makes it so uninteresting
 
Oliver are you on insiders?
 
but honestly. your first 10 games will be a few hours max
 
@ShrekOverflow No
 
2:26 PM
before you die
 
Weird, It works for me :S
 
they'll still be fun, but your people will suffer horrible deaths
 
@rlemon k, I think I'll start with Prepare Carefully and add mods as I need them
 
you may have to chop up people to save other people
 
@ssube oh no, I don't try a lot of things I think I can do, but I try a lot of the things I think I can't do, I think
 
2:26 PM
@ShrekOverflow Doesn't happen every time, but noticeably often. I have not yet figured out why causes it
 
@KendallFrey add rim fridge as well.
 
@rlemon I'm prepared for that
 
@towc you don't try
 
it's just a storage container for food. it really should be part of the stock game
 
@rlemon convince me
 
2:27 PM
otherwise your food lives in your main storage fridge and colonists are stupid and eat in there
 
@KendallFrey building fridges sucks ass, they're inefficient compared to the rest of the game, and nothing makes sense
 
then they get sad because their dumb asses couldn't walk 10 feet to a table.
 
Unless I absolutely need it right away, I'll try it without first
 
your colonists will starve while the dog sits in the freezer all day eating
 
@ssube what do you call coming to bratislava, cooking, following the slovak girl and the other many things you all say are just not worth doing the way I'm doing them?
 
2:28 PM
food production and storage are totally broken
 
I'm genuinely asking for your point of view, not trying to be a dick
 
@towc avoidance
 
food production isn't that bad, but there needs to be better storage solutions in the vanilla game.
rimfridge makes it slightly more bearable.
 
@ssube of the things that I "know" I can do?
 
@towc dealing with your family and accomplishing something with your life
both are hard, stalking some girl is easy
 
2:29 PM
like being a decent reasonable kid who goes to university and fills its role in society?
 
no, like whatever you want
I'm not a decent person, never went to uni
I still feel like I accomplish things
 
I went to university and I feel like it prevented me from accomplishing a great many things
 
we can agree on the definition of accomplishment to be something that greatly fulfills your values as a person, right?
 
@OliverSalzburg wierd. Now I am curious, version dump :D ?
 
@towc doesn't have to be great
 
2:31 PM
as in, someone whose values and objectives are very much about money, an accomplishment would be being a millionaire
 
there's no threshold like that
 
@ShrekOverflow I just cleared my Output panel for TS and restarted the process. Now the issue is gone
 
@towc no. Finding or making $20 could be an accomplishment.
 
It'll come back. Give it a moment :D
 
2:32 PM
well, you can still maximize for it
 
@Cereal you are not alone. There are famous persons that left uni before grading, yet they achieved many things. I had that feeling too, but I even got my grade eventually.
 
my accomplishments can be the act of not being conventional itself
 
@towc you could, if you want to be a pre-optimizing asshat
 
I'm going to regret going to university for the next 10 years as I pay off this student loan
 
could be an issue with sourcemaps not loading etc
 
2:32 PM
I'm trying to run a script in travis after create react app finishes booting up. But if I do npm start && npm run test, I never runs the test, because the npm start command never finishes
 
ah USA payment shit
 
I had safari go absolutely bizerk when trying to debug a cordova app because the sourcemaps weren't loaded in time but detected
@KarelG what about it ?
 
No, canada. So it could be worse I guess
Only 40000
 
@SuperUberDuper are you running it in the foreground or background?
 
Now my Node process silently exits
 
2:33 PM
I don't know
its a npm script
 
@Cereal for Canada? the country of an awesome minister and better social structure than USA? o.o
 
@Cereal EEE
 
@DhavalPankhaniya Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@KarelG Yeah, I mean rent alone was >10k a year
 
2:34 PM
@Cereal We already have ~that in US and this is just year 1 :D
 
+7k for tuition, plus food
Adds up
 
@SuperUberDuper learning about that might help
 
@ssube meh, isn't being a teenager all about worthless premature optimization anyway? :P
that's a joke
 
@towc no, it's about doing stupid shit while there are no consequences
 
tbf university should not be cheap, but also not "something for elite"
 
2:35 PM
so you can learn from it without ruining your life
 
@KarelG You're right, it should be free
 
@KarelG tbaf universities should be useful too
 
And it shouldn't be required
 
@Cereal are you enjoying the course ?
 
@KarelG but if we fix that, there won't be an elite
 
2:36 PM
And they should teach you what the fuck it is in school so you can make an educated decision before locking yourself into a career path at the age of 18
 
ok so I can get travis to run something before npm test?
 
@ShrekOverflow I already graduated. I thought it was a collosal waste of time, money
and heavily degraded any mental stability I had going in
 
@Cereal Same here, @oboecat is going through it ATM
 
@Cereal where were you when I was asking about it :D
 
@SuperUberDuper the change is likely a single character, just rtfm on foreground/background processes
 
2:36 PM
@towc I'm pretty sure I vented in the exact same way
 
I tried & but no luck
selenium never connected
 
I believe all uni's should be required to open source their courseware, a lot of them have crazy stuff that they get through using Non Disclosure or Honesty policies etc.
 
@ssube
Yes exactly, I will just make some static function and run it on a click event. From the tuts I see, people populate the db manually in the CLI,lol. I would like to avoid that:-)
So you say to just use node with sql for DB and that's it?
 
@ptts doing it in the cli will work much better
generally I recommend postgres, since it can do JSON and SQL
 
@ptts ^
 
2:38 PM
Something like 24/42 courses I took were related to CS in university
The rest were languages, arts courses
 
@ssube ok if you say so. I was thinking like "no, this cannot be" but it is:-)
 
Which is a huge fucking problem
 
Did Mongo DB get transactions yet?
 
ah postgre, ok.
 
2:39 PM
@ShrekOverflow it never will
 
@ShrekOverflow depends of the country. I still recall your exam questions lol.
 
@KendallFrey ohh, and batteries need to be roofed. but wire does not
 
@KendallFrey If you (in future) will be interested in some hardcore gameplay, I strongly recommend HardcoreSK modpack. Its the rimworld experience x10z
 
@KarelG TrollLand questions are a special case of disaster gone wrong. But from what I have seen in the past few months, a fair share of OSS uni courses are extremely good.
 
2:40 PM
@KamilSolecki I generally don't like hard games
 
@KendallFrey Yeah unroofed batteries = boom
@KendallFrey hardcore as in lots to do. Difficulty comes there in 7 different levels + 3 new storytellers
 
oh there are difficulty levels?
 
all of the technical difficulty is built into the game from vanilla
 
once you get to the point where you pick your story teller, you get an option for difficulty
 
the world and events change the gameplay difficulty
 
2:42 PM
@rlemon So do I start with the easiest, or what?
 
nahh
start with the one below rough
 
easiest is pretty much peaceful
 
and start with the middle story teller
it'll be good. still getting raids, but not impossible ones
 
@KendallFrey the start doesn't honestly matter. It's a matter of 10-15 minutes into the game until you get to choose
 
0 raids makes the game harder in a few ways
 
2:43 PM
^
 
Yeah starting storyteller is Cassandra Classic iirc
 
so peaceful can kinda screw you over on barren maps
 
you want some raids, just not a raid every three days
 
@KamilSolecki Oh wait so the storyteller comes after you settle?
 
no
 
2:44 PM
I usually start with guns, food, on medium
 
he runs a super modded rimworld and can't remember vanilla
you pick your story teller before you land
 
@KendallFrey the storyteller is the RNG and tables for world events
 
I kinda know what the storyteller is
 
@rlemon oh lewl I guess I do run supermoddeed :D
 
How do you troubleshoot a Node process that silently exits unexpectedly?
 
2:45 PM
@KendallFrey it's an Ai that decides what events happen
 
I know
 
@KendallFrey last tips: more for framerates: when you make a production bench of any kind you can go into 'details' and set the distance they look from the bench for items. always reduce that to what you need. don't generate 100% of the world. 30% is fine, and then the game doesn't need to keep track of hundreds of camps. and make sure to clean up filth around the map, and to take care of dead bodies
but mostly, reducing the radius for each production item makes the fps a lot better, and not generating a 100% world.
 
makes jobs more efficient, too
your settlers won't wander off looking for supplies and get sidetracked with other jobs
 
kills the framerate if you have like 15 jobs per bench and like 10 benches
all looking at 999
 
@OliverSalzburg process.on('uncaughtException')?
there are also events on process that'll notify you more about it
 
2:47 PM
@ShrekOverflow Nope, it's not that
I tried an exit listener, doesn't get called
 
@ssube if you like hunting and trapping animals, I HIGHLY recommend the dinosaur mod
 
Thats very weird
 
more huge animals, and lots of small aggressive ones
 
@KendallFrey @rlemon btw y'all should try out the manager mod. Adds a manager job and a managers workbench, comes with an upgraded algo for job dividing in benches and a whole new menu to manage all the jobs from one place
Makes the thing much more pleasurable
 
Does it even start reading your entry point?
 
2:48 PM
@rlemon I usually rely on that for meat, unless I spawn with chickens
 
So basically the manager goes to the bench like every 2-5 hours and that's it
All workin
 
once prison labour and the quary mods get upgraded for 18, I'm ditching my current map and starting over
 
@ShrekOverflow Looks like a "call stack size exceeded" scenario
 
I love running labour camps.
 
my last and most successful colony got most of their supplies, food and fuel, by trading
 
2:50 PM
@OliverSalzburg how did you get that?
 
produced a ton of art and tradable resources
 
@rlemon fun hitler fact?
 
@ShrekOverflow r-r-r-r-r-r-recursion
 
@ShrekOverflow Stepping to the code until I realized I'm looping. There is literally no feedback
 
ALso that should log unless you have something catching it and making it silent like a promise.
 
2:50 PM
now that I found the expanded roof mod (adds glass roofs) I make a greenhouse, and fish for my meat
I hunt animals for skins and sell their meat for profit
 
@ssube how as in How did he reveal that
 
then make clothes and sell those
 
fish were an omission in vanilla
 
yea the bridges and fishing mods are dope
 
@ShrekOverflow Given the way bunyan + VS Code is extremely fucked up, it is possible that the feedback is going to "some channel" I'm not currently seeing
 
2:51 PM
doesn't add much to the game, content wise. but OMG does it ever change how you plan your base
and now I look for water to land near instead of avoiding it
 
bridges would be a change
 
ofc needs the bridge mod, but links to it
 
Alright, popping this off the problem stack. Back to the empty call stack on breakpoint
 
Makes sense, cya in a while guys, I should at least sleep for an hour.
 
@ssube you know what, rimworld needs bugs.
a honey farm would be pretty cool, and even cooler if it could double as a defensive structure
 
2:53 PM
ones that don't try to eat you?
 
RELEASE THE BEES@!
 
honey would make sense, they already have bug gel
 
tribes people could make bee bombs
 
wasp nests should spawn in trees and attack animals/colonists/raiders
 
I can't wait till kendall starts peeling back the layers of rimworld and seeing how deep the gameplay and interactions can go
the game really is fantastic, but has an unassuming look and feel to it at first
 
2:57 PM
@rlemon controllable bullet ants.
GNite.
 
it's a substantial game. Much more approachable than DF, almost as deep.
 
one of these days I need to find the code he used to generate the art descriptions
 
I think I'll add those mods and start a new colony tonight
 
because those are FANTASTIC
 
I've actually been working on something like that, based on template languages and probabilistic structures
 

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