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6:00 PM
and pay
 
user1596138
I read the article.
 
@rlemon The article said they're permanently bricked.
 
user1596138
@rlemon Yes it is. Because the current software update is flawed
 
flawed according to us
apple sees it as security
 
user1596138
Cmon dude take a step back.
 
user1596138
6:00 PM
Think about it lol
 
user1596138
Why would they slap themself in the sack?
 
user1596138
On purpose? This is class-action shit.
 
@jhawins Because it means you have to spend four times the money to buy a new phone.
 
> This check ensures the device and the iOS features related to touch ID remain secure.

Without this unique pairing, a malicious touch ID sensor could be substituted, thereby gaining access to the secure enclave.
When iOS detects that the pairing fails, touch ID, including Apple Pay, is disabled so the device remains secure.”
 
user1596138
They are working their asses off with a PR firm right now on how to minimize damage.
 
6:01 PM
apple sees this as a security feature
unless laws pass saying they can't force repairs to be done by them, it probably won't change
 
user1596138
In that way it is. It's absolutely a security feature.
 
user1596138
But they will accommodate third party repairs asap, just watch :P
 
okay, I doubt it. you don't
carry on
 
user1596138
Maybe they'll disable your fingerprint scanner, but they'll remedy this situation.
 
This isn't something Apple is going to just up and budge on tomorrow.
 
6:02 PM
For what it's worth, I'm with Apple here, they don't want other people installing fingerprint scanners on their phone.
 
I see it being the case until the next hardware revision
 
If someone does it and steals your fingerprints they might be liable.
In fact, it's possible they are required by law to do this.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yup, but not allowing anyone but them unbrick the phone, then charging as much for it is lame (and illegal in other industries)
 
Dude, these people are going and buying new phones after this. Apple just doubled down on a user.
 
user1596138
IMHO, it's a HUGE security risk to have chinese crap sensors installed when those sensors are what unlock your phone.
 
6:03 PM
racist
 
user1596138
It's not about third party installs, it's about non OEM parts.
 
@rlemon right, they should at least have a certification process for other vendors and not charge much for it. I understand why they want to unbrick the phone themselves though.
 
user1596138
Third partys happen to be skimping and using the knock offs, just like they do with screen repairs.
 
They might be held accountable for abuse even if they didn't cause it.
 
@ton.yeung Welcome to a large majority of the Apple users though.
 
6:04 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum there could be a better way tho. I'm not a security expert, but there has to be a better way, even if it comes at a small cost to the company
 
I'm an Apple user, I use both iOS and Android regularly and I think iOS is still a much better and more stable operating system. I have no love or sentiment towards apple though.
 
user1596138
They're probably covering their asses to some extent. What if some big name people's phones get compromised due to faulty third party sensors? Would Apple still be the fall guy?
 
They're asses, Google are asses, we're all just business to them.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I personally dislike apples UX as a whole. so I don't use it, but I really disagree with the company as a whole.
 
@jhawins I can totally see that.
 
6:05 PM
@rlemon There already was a security guy who before this latest Iphone came out gave suggestions that were blatantly ignored.
 
user1596138
Right lol. This is a huge liability cluster fuck.
 
@rlemon why? They're just as shitty as every other phone manufacturer. At least they innovated at points.
 
@ton.yeung On top of which you have to pay for their SDK.
 
@ton.yeung do you have that issue with the computer system in your car? Or fridge? Does that bother you?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum business practices, lies, coverups, etc. I could go into detail but it would be another anti-apple rant you can find on google.
 
user1596138
6:06 PM
@Trasiva And run the very newest software on the phones and your host OS lol. Dev for Apple devices is a pain in the ass.
 
@Trasiva you have to pay in order to submit apps to the Google Play Store too.
 
imo they are the worst of the three, and don't deserve my business
 
user1596138
@rlemon Oh and Google doesn't do anything wrong either lol......
 
@jhawins never said that
 
@rlemon I'm not saying they're nice, I'm saying everyone is dirty. Google is just as bad if not worse.
 
6:06 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I disagree.
 
@rlemon its pretty obvious Microsoft stands on the top of business practices, lies, coverups, etc.
 
They are literally tracking and spying on the majority of people in this room right now.
 
user1596138
It's like having a regular mechanic. You always go to the guy, you convince yourself he's a great guy, but in reality they all just want your $600 for a 30minute job haha.
 
they don't pretend not too
I know googles tracking my life
I embrace it
 
what about Microsoft ? grin
 
user1596138
6:07 PM
Microsoft is just a failure lol
 
meh, I'm on the fence.
 
Right, because they don't use it against you because they don't have a business interest - they just show you more ads to get you to buy things you don't need - pretty benign.
 
user1596138
You know why there's no 64bit Visual Studio?
 
As soon that's not in their interest...
@Abhishrek weren't you like a huge MS fan until you lost that Microsoft contest or something?
 
6:08 PM
@ton.yeung I thought it had more to do with gravity
 
user1596138
Because the code base is so unstable lol. Because it's unuseable. Microsoft is a waterfall clusterfuck who's about to lose their edge because they were never forward thinking.
 
@jhawins uh... Visual Studio uses 64 bit.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Apple is $99 a year, and Google's is a one time fee of $25 for a dev acount.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I hate all three equally and like all three equally.
I like Microsoft for Free Stuff, google for cloud and apple for hardware.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Nah, there are 64bit libraries. But Microsoft has told us basically they're terrified to try and make VS itself a 64bit application. Or so I read from some random dude on the internet...
 
6:09 PM
@jhawins Microsoft was one of the most forward thinking companies in the world IMO, they screwed up on product. A lot of the niceness of programming today was pioneered by them.
 
We're all allowed to have our personal opinions on Companies. Mine is just that Apple is terrible, MS is irrelevant to me outside of games, and Google is the lesser of the evils for now.
MS was the evil of my youth, so it could change
 
@rlemon pretty accurate
 
user1596138
@ton.yeung Oh I don't say it's not good lol. But they're losing control, they're scared of their own code base.
 
@jhawins it compiles in 64 bit and uses processes, there is no reason to use 64 bits for VS.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Umm.
 
6:10 PM
lol
 
@jhawins the IDE itself doesn't really benefit from 64 bit, the compiler and runtime are 64 bit anyway.
 
Visual Studio is a slow clusterfuck, very innovative but still, they dropped the ball in the last year.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum So you don't use it
 
@jhawins use what?
 
6:11 PM
it got worse from vs2008/2010
 
user1596138
@ton.yeung I'm repeating microsofts own statements on VS' codebase
 
I think 2008 is still my fav
 
I have to use VS, I write C#, C# is great.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum VS
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum So you only write very small things?
 
6:11 PM
Uninstalling VS2015 not only didn't clean everything up, it also broke my VS2013 install. Very angry.
 
user1596138
@ton.yeung Look for why there isn't a 64bit version, you can find it
 
@ton.yeung same
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum in a nut shell what's the difference between a 64bit and a 32bit program's capabilities.... 32 bit is limitted to 2gb of ram. Ever had VS use it all and come to a crawl?
 
@jhawins I work on projects with more than 1m lines of code.
 
@jhawins 4gb
 
6:13 PM
4 Gb iirc @jhawins
 
@jhawins 4, and also no, it comes to a crawl because it does a shit job in I/O management.
Open the server-explorer? Better block the UI thread for 10 seconds.
 
also even 2GB ram is huge for any IDE to use up
 
> The maximum available amount of RAM per process for a 32-bit OS is 2 GB. If you have a 64-bit OS, a 32-bit process can allocate up to 4 GB.
 
user1596138
The number itself is irrelevant.
 
Also, it can spin multiple processes.
 
6:14 PM
@rlemon How in the fuck did you pull this off?
 
@Trasiva can't you read code?
 
Nevermind
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Not for a single solution
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes, it scrolled weird for me.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum PS I didn't lose the competition x)
I won 3rd
 
user1596138
6:15 PM
Anyway, the benefits around a 64bit version are irrelevant. Microsoft's reasoning behind not going to a 64bit version is.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Anyways, we're all allowed to have a derp moment now and again.
 
wait a minute
 
user1596138
Course, as I said, I read it from a random dude on the internet (just like everything else), it might be bunk.
 
@rlemon Bravo, fuck nugget. I owe you a beer for that, classy.
 
@jhawins you know chrome is 32 bit right ?
 
6:16 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum in fairness, I did try to hide it so it was easily glanced by
most people don't look for scroll bars
 
@Abhishrek wat
 
user1596138
@Abhishrek lol no I am running 64bit Chrome...
 
IIRC depends on the OS
 
user1596138
Depends what you download.
 
chrome default install is 32bit for me
 
6:16 PM
@rlemon so it would look like this? jsfiddle.net/v71xqqsg
 
user1596138
Yep
 
but you can select the 64bit
 
so does Firefox Developer edition.
 
user1596138
KSP has a 64bit version
 
@rlemon yeah I totally fell for it.
 
user1596138
6:17 PM
But it doesn't play nice with my laptop
 
user1596138
@ton.yeung That's 2009. I read that one tho
 
64bit chrome is beta.
 
user1596138
But 7 years old man lol
 
user1596138
Link it too then
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Is it? I run the beta channel of Chrome 64bit, there is a stable channel?
 
6:18 PM
@jhawins it's in beta
 
user1596138
Yeah it's not beta.
 
user1596138
@ton.yeung Oh thank you, that one says the same thing I said.
 
> Chromium: 48.0.2564.82 (Developer Build) Ubuntu 15.10 (64-bit)
 
@jhawins Really?
 
6:19 PM
where does it indicate it is a beta @BenjaminGruenbaum? I can see their beta site, but I don't see anywhere where it says 64bit is beta
48.0.2564.103 (Official Build) (64-bit)
is my version
 
user1596138
Idk it doesn't say Beta anywhere... And I explicitly run the beta channel of the 64bit version.
 
>
Google Chrome 48.0.2564.103 (Official Build) m (32-bit)
mine
 
oh cool, when did it leave beta?
 
user1596138
@ton.yeung Just because you paste links without reading them doesn't mean I should read them for you :P
 
vOv dunno
 
I wonder if it left beta, why didn't my version update to 64 bit
 
user1596138
@crl search for the text in this edit
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ages ago
 
@Abhishrek why would it?
version !== arch
 
@Abhishrek Reinstall
 
6:21 PM
@rlemon "opt in"
 
user1596138
@ton.yeung You linked me to Quora, who tf did you think it would be? :D
 
@Abhishrek I think you're expecting too much
 
@rlemon true :-(
 
user1596138
Both of the answers on that page say the same thing @crl
 
6:21 PM
@Abhishrek You don't get upgraded to an entirely different architecture
 
user1596138
> I work with large solutions, very large solutions. Once VS 2012 reaches 1.5GB of memory used, it all goes to hell in a handbasket. 64-bit needs to be an option for people using real computers. Any developer still on a 32-bit machine with less than 4 GB of RAM needs to be put out to pasture.
 
user1596138
You pasted a Quora link to something you never read.
 
> Any developer still on a 32-bit machine with less than 4 GB of RAM needs to be put out to pasture.
 
user1596138
Then it turned out to say what I was saying
 
6:22 PM
did anyone link this?
 
user1596138
Then you complained it was a random person.... ON QUORA lol
 
Vim doesn't take that much ram.
 
user1596138
@rlemon Yes, that's from 7 years ago.
 
user1596138
@ton.yeung The "main article" was the question???
 
so?
 
6:23 PM
I am nuking this windows install as soon as my Ubuntu 15.10 finishes downloading
 
user1596138
> I used to work on the Visual Studio team and spent a year optimizing performance for Visual Studio 2010
 
@Abhishrek Check for driver support before you do.
 
user1596138
> Certainly if Visual Studio were built from scratch today we would build it as 64 bit. But there are a lot of higher value engineering problems we could solve today before taking on the challenge of porting the (very massive) codebase to 64 bit.
 
@littlepootis My laptop is latest and no touch screen bs most drivers should just work perfect otherwise I will just go with Fedora
 
user1596138
@ton.yeung The stuff I'm posting ius from the answers. Not comments. I don't understand how YOU linked me to this page and you still don't know what's on it...
 
6:24 PM
@littlepootis hopefully they don't fall in the mistake of starting over from scratch in their new project.
 
@Lemony-Andrew they might have done that already
 
user1596138
My funeral? Am I dying for saying Microsoft sucks
 
user1596138
Bleh fuck this. I have to do work stuff
 
@jhawins Computers Suck bro!
 
@Abhishrek y u install 32-bit apps
 
6:26 PM
he doesn't check before he hits okay
 
On windows, I expect them to have universal setups or maybe default to 64
 
@littlepootis I'm sure the FF community knows about the cons of restarting, maybe they just saw in this case the benefits outweighed the cons.
 
also slow internet :P
 
@ton.yeung Sometimes
@Lemony-Andrew There was no community involved. Mozilla started it, fucked it up, kicked it off the cliff. I'm pretty sure if there was a community involved, we would have had a pretty stable OS by now.
 
6:31 PM
@rlemon guess not :)
 
So I plan to ask the following thinking webmasters is the best fit site.
How much does using a ccTLD negatively effect rankings in non country specific searches compared to a gTLD?
Plz let me know if it is acceptable.
 
@littlepootis didn't know it was like that. In fact, I haven't heard of FFos forever since you last told me about it. Companies make risks and mistakes. Well, we can only hope something good is done.
I'm late to the party, but today is the day I learn about build systems, grunt, and incorporate it into my project. :P Call me noob
 
If anybody is looking for a job at SNC, we're hiring "smart" people
 
@SterlingArcher visa ?
 
No visa :(
 
6:33 PM
@SterlingArcher Remote ?
 
@SterlingArcher Define 'smart'?
 
I can ask on monday about remote
Boss just left
 
@Trasiva Java and AngularJS lol
 
@SterlingArcher If they allow remote, I am all for it. (I know Java --- just don't like writing it)
 
6:34 PM
@SterlingArcher I outsource everything to Uganda. Hire me.
 
@SterlingArcher Java, there is a name I haven't heard in a long time.
 
@littlepootis You're winning
 
Uganda be kidding me
 
That's a funny coincidence; a Ugandan prince outsourced his money to me.
All I had to do was send a bit of personal information
I should be rich soon
 
@AboutLeros yea I don't have the motivation to look at a cludge of jQuery, sorry
 
6:35 PM
@NathanJones I love how you have that bookmarked.
 
@ndugger damn
 
which is why I was giving you abstract answers
 
@ndugger his nigerian brother did the same for me!
What a nice royal fam
 
@Trasiva :D
 
6:35 PM
@rlemon Fair enough, can't blame you mate :)
 
Nigerian be kidding me
doesn't really work...
 
Anyone ever seen the "What happens you respond to a spam email?" that's great
 
@ndugger Uganda check your bank account every day man, you might have just gotten Swahili'd.
 
6:36 PM
@ndugger Norway, Jose. you need to get off the pc and try harder.
 
No, I'll just go home and drink
 
Jamaican me angry nick...
 
k
 
fine, I'm Ghana go now
 
I want to go home right now, actually... Today feels really slow
 
6:37 PM
quick, japan the truck!
 
I need to stop at Ikea first
 
mm, that was a stretch
 
@SterlingArcher Kenya help with nick?
 
@Lemony-Andrew I respond to spam emails
 
@littlepootis hahahahaha
 
6:38 PM
@ndugger Yemen, get those shelves
 
I'm gonna go home and cook a Canada chili that I bought from the store
 
@rlemon im out of puns
Canada makes chili?
Oh
Ohh...
 
jordan pls
 
@SterlingArcher uganda be kidding me. I tried
 
6:39 PM
@SterlingArcher so you're just China stop the pun thread?
 
I tried to make a pun but Iran instead
 
@SterlingArcher Norway, you're out? You gotta stop Russian them and let them just flow.
 
That isreali cool joke man ^
 
Sorry, Afgan and done it again.
 
You gotta have some sense India
 
6:40 PM
wat
 
Lol inya
 
@Abhishrek Irish you wouldn't try so hard.
 
@Abhishrek you're Putin me in a tough spot here
 
India / In there or In ya
 
These puns are truly awful now. I think it's time we just agree to stop.
 
6:40 PM
@ndugger stop philippine out man
 
@Trasiva but, taiwan to help
there we go
 
Never make fun of a Scotsman. You could get kilt that way.
 
Your puns are making me feel left out, so I'll Thailand come up with some good ones, myself.
 
@Trasiva Ukraine ?
 
6:41 PM
@Trasiva Why? We still gotta say the jokes while they're french in our head
 
@ndugger it's okay, I can help you think of Somoa
 
Thin Mints
 
@rlemon I'm going to Indonesia, and then upper cut Ukraine-nium.
 
What do you call a Canadian skateboard jump? Somolia
 
@Trasiva pun making isn't your best choice of Korea
none of you can touch my country puns :D
 
6:43 PM
@rlemon dont get your japanties in a bunch
 
I don't feel well, these puns are making me really Laosy
 
Hey come on that somolia one was pretty clever
"Some ollie, eh?"
 
something something United States of America something
 
@SterlingArcher just Two men - Par a guays
 
@ndugger Make AMERICA PUN AGAIN!
 
6:44 PM
@AboutLeros Uraguay
 
@SterlingArcher Ollie? Like
 
OH SNAP COMEBACK PUN
 
no ur a guay
 
@Lemony-Andrew exactly
 
6:44 PM
@rlemon Your puns are just Loas-ey. You should Czech yourself before you Slavic yourself.
 
@SterlingArcher paraguay
 
@Trasiva Kuwait a second, I don't all the Russian.
 
@rlemon Fail
 
This conversation is old. I'll just Egypt myself from it, and move on.
 
6:45 PM
@AboutLeros omg no, I was responding liek "no you're a gay" it was a pun and a comeback in one D:
I love how nobody is touching Nigeria for puns lol
 
@ndugger Y SO SYRIA?
 
(Don't)
@rlemon omg...
 
@SterlingArcher Syriasly?
It's not like someone's going to explode in here about it.
 
Owl let that one slide
 
6:46 PM
Bump. So I plan to ask the following thinking webmasters is the best fit site.
How much does using a ccTLD negatively effect rankings in non country specific searches compared to a gTLD?
 
I was trying to get started on my work... but these puns are* jamaican me crazy
 
@rlemon I'm I'm sorry, I thought this was America, is it suddenly ill-eagle to make jokes?
 
@SterlingArcher are you from europe because europiece of sh*t :P
 
@William no idea what that even means
 
!!tell William welcome
 
6:47 PM
LOL
 
@rlemon You murdered Cap!
 
Irish I had a Canada Turkey Chile that I had for Norway's eve
 
@AboutLeros your jokes are bad and Joe Chill murdered your parents
 
@AboutLeros That was pretty terrible.
 
Combine all the countries into one mega pun
 
6:48 PM
@Zirak you broke the bot
 
Turkey Chile is the obvious route
 
why did you switch to browserify
<<<<<<< HEAD
>>>>>>> master
this shit made it into the build.
 
@Trasiva I Oslo disapprove.
 
EVERYONE BLAME @Zirak
 
@SterlingArcher ccTLDs are targeted towards a specific country. Google respects this and therefore has them appear higher in search results in such country and lower outside the country. gTLD can be targeted towards Global search results. How much does using a ccTLD hurt your rankings in a Global search?
 
6:49 PM
@Zirak shame on you?
 
@Zirak Bad bad bad!
 
@rlemon omg spoiler...
 
@rlemon did you just call me batman?
 
6:52 PM
The longest and most thought out answer that I've made on SO: stackoverflow.com/a/32699996/1408759 -- and I keep finding ways to edit it
 
@AboutLeros no
 
@rlemon Now you're just batty.
 
@ssube i said that you have to implement the design pattern during the design phase, so that flexible parts can be adjusted. If you do that during the development time, it can lead to less strict implementation. Or even an adaption on that or on the existing code
 
SPOILERS THE LOT OF YOU
um
 
6:52 PM
@SterlingArcher THERE IS NO SPOILER
THIS HAPPENED BEFORE YOU WERE BORN
 
Classic misdirection
because awesome fucking song
cc @Loktar
 
ha
 
What do you mean we landed on the moon!? Spoilers!
 
my 90's station is playing
so this will be a turn of events :D
 
lol, Does anyone feel like helping with a script issue?
 
6:54 PM
@rlemon Jesus, my childhood.
Man, this is like, old school MTV.
 
dude, google music "pop-rock hits from the 90's"
excellent radio station
 
I have a few different 90's stations that I listen to on google music
Best era of music, ever
 
@rlemon Which one? D:
Nevermind
I'm full of dumb today.
 
Hi @copy , how's it goin?
 
@Lemony-Andrew Good!
 
crl
6:57 PM
@Abhishrek here's mine i.stack.imgur.com/VwQkb.png
 
@copy Glad to hear! Working on any games lately?
 
@Lemony-Andrew No, but I'll do in march
 
@copy what do you do for a living of you don't mind me asking. As in, what area of dev/industry
 
@copy Alright, any reason march specifically? Is that a competition month or something?
 

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