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9:00 PM
It's scary
 
Yup
bmw 8xx
 
Dang, nice
Mine was a Viper
 
@Luggage I saw one of those one day
then I went home to get new pants
 
it was ok. smooth as hell accelerating, but not terribly fast
 
they are super old
 
9:00 PM
like a train.
 
Drive a viper GTS if you get a chance lol
 
will do
 
I almost shit myself with adrenaline
 
I think I've had an I4, I6, I4-T, and I6-TT
never owned anything with a V
 
i'm guessing the i6tt is a bmw
v is bullshit :)
 
9:01 PM
There is nothing wrong with referring to Ethernet as RJ45 and Phone as RJ11, especially when you are talking about wall plates
 
i6 is the superior engine. it's naturally balanced.
boxer 6, too
 
@Luggage what's the point of a V12 engine on public roads :p
 
!!afk home
 
@KarelG going fast
 
you're not even using its full capacity due of speed limits
 
9:02 PM
@Luggage yeah, current lease
 
@KarelG same as a turbo 4 on public roads. it's all overkill
 
maybe for the sounds ?
 
@KarelG you try to convince us of these "speed limits" every time cars come up
although I have no idea how many times 300+ torque and big disc brakes have saved my life when somebody else did something dumb
 
you have circuits if you want to drive fast. i have a membership of a circuit here to let my R1-beast "go"
 
getting out of the way quick is a helluva thing
 
9:03 PM
@ssube i get a 335i sometimes as a loaner. i call them snooze-rockets :)
 
@Luggage why?
 
vague steering and they are always autos
they are so fast, but i barely feel like i'm in control
 
they ever have the sport package?
 
user3233318
Does anybody use IRC here?
 
i'm not familair with the packages. the auto usually has a sport morde and up/down functionality if that tells you
 
9:05 PM
the sport hardware tightens up the steering and suspension
 
sometimes 335xi
 
the sport tranny also has different software for much faster shifts
the steering is pretty accurate but has very little feedback. After using an Evo X as a dd, I enjoy that.
 
part of it is jsut being used to manual. The auto I always have to guess how much to push the pedal down before the car decides to really go
 
@Luggage I drive in Sport+ paddle-manual all the time, so... :P
 
hehe, yes, evos are too much. And shit turning radius
like comical turning radius
 
9:06 PM
ha, yeah, they can barely turn around on a city street
it was a pain during the winter
which is funny, because when you're really moving, they corner beautifully
 
well, yea, turning radius isn't really important, then
also my experience is with evo 9, not sure about x
 
my favorite part of the 335 is when you throw it into "comfort," it just cruises along like a goddamn adult
sport+ and the paddles, it's competitive with an evo x (despite not having the twin clutch)
 
yea, it's a capable car, no doubt.
 
some kid tears by me on the freeway, I can catch up
 
and i'd get used to an auto if I had to
but when I'm not used to it, it's just one more thing making it feel like the car has a mind if it's own
 
9:09 PM
they still make the manual, but you can't get more than 6 gears
those last two are awfully nice on the freeway
(you'll never clear 5th in sport, but will hit 7th by 40mph in comfort)
 
when i have to drive it a few days, then i learn how much to push the pedal so that 0.5 seconds later the car does what i want
as opposed to day 1 when it "litte more gas, nothing, little more, nothing, little more, ZOOMS AWAY
 
driving the evo for the first time was fun, since it was the fastest car I'd ever touched by a huge margin
getting used to the DCT, too
 
hm.. not sure what the fastest i've driven is.
might be a friends ZR-1, but I'd never drive that as the speeds i'd drive my own car for fear of it flying apart.
i mean fastest CAR i've driven, not fastest speed
or the evo 9, which was pretty damn fast
 
fastest speed was in that car, but on I94 through Montana or ND
we just stood on the pedal for a mile or so
 
130 on my bike once, i think is my fastest
 
9:14 PM
cleared 140, IIRC
I was really surprised at how well the evo stuck to the ground, too. It felt firm until 120 or so, then you could feel the steering start to give.
Haven't taken the 335 over 100 yet, but there's still time for a road trip :D
 
ohh, you wo't notice it doing 100
it'll feel like 70
 
oh, I know :D
done that a few times now
it's a good thing they gave me the HUD or I would never have noticed
 
i wonder if we helped @SterlingArcher at all
I think not. :)
 
user3233318
What do you guys think about using non ascii characters to name variables?
 
sounds like a bad idea. What's the motivation?
 
9:18 PM
@user148098 why would you need to? it just complicates them
you shouldn't have enough variables that you need to use more than a handful of characters
 
user3233318
You could use π instead of PI.
 
who wants to type that?
 
@user148098 many people use irc, yes
 
Math.PI is clear enough IMO
 
I even wrote an irc client... twice
 
user3233318
9:21 PM
The think that I don't like about IRC is that it shows my ip address. I don't feel very comfortable sharing my identity to people that I don't know.
 
why to define an own π variable ?
 
user3233318
thing*
 
Many servers protect that
 
@user148098 get a VPS and run a bouncer
that's what I did
 
And you can use a proxy or a bnc of some kind
@ssube I'm running ircanywhere on my vps, it's nice
 
9:22 PM
then I ran Splunk on the logs and figured out what time of year people were most happy
 
user3233318
What if I am implementing a math formula and that formula is expressed in terms of Δ, θ, and α. Wouldn't be easier to understand the code if the name of the variables reflect exactly the names of variables in the math formula?
 
what time of the year was it?
@user148098 if you could show the rest of the forumula using standard symbols, maybe
but i doubt that any non-trivial formula would end up looking the same in JS
 
user3233318
It won't look the same, but it would resemble the original formula more I think.
 
sounds like you've made up your mind.
 
user3233318
Well, I actually don't like non ascii characters in the code, because I try to write everything in English, but I admit that sometimes it is ok not to.
 
user3233318
9:31 PM
About math, I personally don't like naming variables and things to a single letter. I think it makes things more confusing, so I would use words in any case.
 
user3233318
But, hey, that is my opinion. I would like to hear yours.
 
If you use Δ/θ/α, which are all valid variable names, I'd say that it makes it easier to read, and arguably less confusing.
 
if I have to research how to enter a variable into a text editor, it's not going to work for me
 
∆v
yea, i had to look up how to type ∆. It's Option-J.
I guessed Option-D and was wrong
 
I don't have an option key
 
9:36 PM
alt-codes for you, then, i think
 
user3233318
When writing non ascii characters in plain text sometimes you have problems with encoding. Do you think the same thing could happen in JavaScript?
 
alt+j = windows feedback tool :P
 
for alt-codes you have to type the number
like hold alt and type 123 (or some code)
at least that's how it used to work
type ALT + 916
 
yes, I know, and I'm not about trying to learn what all those number codes represent
 
i bet google knows how unicode JS files are supported.
 
9:40 PM
all I'm saying is, if I have to have a lookup table open in order to see which alt code matches up with a variable name, I definitely won't use that variable, or code that expects me to use it.
 
I agree. That's my first agrument against using non-ascii symbols
or even non-things-i-can-type-on-a-keyboard-with-one-keystroke
 
user3233318
What do you guys think about this situation. You work on a company that does not plan to expand to a different country. All your data is in the native language. Is it worthy to translate the name of the columns in the SQL database to English?
 
probably not, especially if the native language is a supported collation
 
that really depends on how big of a mess renaming columns is going to cause.
might be bigger than you think
 
user3233318
supported collation?
 
9:46 PM
I think you'd need some justification (e.g. "hiring english speakers") to make it worthwhile.
 
•The rules that govern how SQL Server sorts and compares characters that are stored in non-Unicode data types. SQL Server Setup will detect the Windows collation on the computer where SQL Server is being installed. Then, it will automatically select the collation for your instance of SQL Server. Sorts and comparisons might be different for Unicode and non-Unicode characters.
 
I'm not sure collation matters for column names so much, as you aren't sorting them.
just the contents.
 
true enough
 
user3233318
Some people here writhe cafe instead of café, to avoid problems with non ascii characters.
 
user3233318
write*
 
9:50 PM
if you are in certain other countries, you may have a keyboard which has keys that create those language specific characters, so it would be more likely for people in those areas to use those characters.
 
user3233318
We do have those characters in the keyboard, but people often avoid them when writing code to avoid problems with non ascii characters.
 
user3233318
Some people type eh instead of é too, because it is easier to type eh.
 
cafeh?
 
user3233318
yes.
 
odd
 
user3233318
9:52 PM
pois eh.
 
indeed.
 
that feels a bit geeky to me, to be honest; the more technical people are, the more they care about things like "ascii", vs "on my keyboard"
 
user3233318
I actually hate cafe a lot, I try to be as correct as possible and type café. When I open the file on Windows it is always messed up, but in my opinion that is a Windows problem, not a "café" problem.
 
user3233318
Browsers by default don't use utf-8 it seems, they use the Windows encoding, so I have to make sure that I always send the correct meta data about my plain text.
 
@SterlingArcher ping
 
10:02 PM
@rlemon SterlingArcher is afk: home
 
user3233318
I am not a big fan of keyboards either. I work in two different languages, and some keys like "enter" and [] are in different positions in keyboards of different languages. So every time I travel I have to get used to a different keyboard all over again. At least in desktops I can change the keyboard, but laptops are a problem.
 
user3233318
; is one of those keys, that is one more reason why I don't put ; in my code.
 
ew
so you rely on ASI??
 
well, it's about time I get to blowing up some more cars in the desert
 
user3233318
I do. I avoid starting sentences with ( and [
 
10:10 PM
Mad Max is such fun lol
 
ASI is an error correction routine. it shouldn't be relied upon.
 
star jizz
 
@KendallFrey Hubble photograph of a quasar ejecting nearly 5,000 light years from the M87 galaxy.
 
user3233318
The use of ; is optional. Someone wrote a code to put ; in my code, since I don't like to see code being wasted I don't use ;
 
10:13 PM
ew
just ew
 
eeeeeeww
disgusting
 
@KendallFrey An electron shot out of this 500 years before the Egyptians started building the Pyramids of Giza is just now reaching the end of it. Going nearly the speed of light.
!!mindblown
 
@user148098 using a semicolon isn't wasteful, it's useful and best practice.
 
@user148098 so's whitespace
 
user3233318
10:16 PM
We are going to have to agree to disagree when it comes to semicolons.
 
haha no
;@
 
If typing one extra character on ~50% of your lines is so detrimental to your productivity, you have much bigger problems to work on.
 
@user148098 I like how you think you know more than the guy who invented the language.
 
user3233318
What the guy who invented the language has to say about ;?
 
;)
 
10:18 PM
Doesn't matter what he thinks, look up what google thinks; they have some compelling arguments
 
I type at ~60 wpm, which is (60 * 5) 300 characters per minute, so typing a semicolon takes me 1/5 of a second.
 
> Your concluding sentence is spot on, I agree people should use semicolons in JS. Relying on a Ruby-like coding style in the large is way too risky.
 
user3233318
If you type why not to use ; on google, google is going to give you arguments to not use ; too.
 
!!facepalm
 
no it isn't
 
@user148098 actually the guy who wrote the language says don't rely on ASI
it was a mistake
 
user3233318
You guys can be so rude sometimes...
 
!!s/rude/correct/
 
@SomeKittens You guys can be so correct sometimes... (source)
 
10:20 PM
Google says to always use semicolons
 
you made a point of stating you didn't use semicolons. we didn't bring it up, you did. We merely commented on the fact.
 
user3233318
Is not about being right or wrong, is about how you say it. You can be right and not be rude you know.
 
haskell doesn't need semicolons (they're not necessary)
 
js does.
 
@user148098 how were we rude exactly?
 
10:21 PM
@phenomnomnominal I said 'ew'
I can see that being viewed as rude
 
We disagreed with you, provided evidence to back it up, and gave you the chance to counter it.
 
I said disgusting too
 
cry more
 
user3233318
@phenomnomnominal Face palm, saying that I have productivity issues...
 
If it takes me 10 minutes (600 seconds) to fix a bug, dropping semicolons means I need to have a bug fewer than 1 in 3000 lines.
Microsoft research suggests we have a bug (in production code) for ever 100-150 lines.
So, dropping semicolons will result in more time debugging, lower quality code and longer time to market.
 
10:22 PM
@user148098 you must hate the internet then
 
Just read the google styleguide; they list a lot of the reasons why semicolons protect you
 
rudeness everywhere
 
@SomeKittens not to mention linters / other tooling doesn't like no semi's iirc
 
@user148098 I said you do IF "typing one extra character on ~50% of your lines is detrimental to your productivity"
So what you're saying is it is that detrimental?
 
@rlemon other than "standard" that is
 
user3233318
10:24 PM
I have to go now. That has nothing to do with ; at all.
 
@user148098 sorry if I was rude, not my intention
 
have a good day
 
Tone policing because someone has a different opinion. A-hyup
 
if you disagree with me, you're being rude
 
if you disagree with me, you're probably my girlfriend.
 
10:27 PM
Semicolons account for 128 / 10628 characters in a random file I pulled.
 
statistically speaking of course.
 
!!> 128 / 10628
 
@SomeKittens 0.012043658261196839
 
but dude
1%
 
10:28 PM
@SomeKittens god, someone's clearly time rich if you can afford to spend that much time writing semicolons.
 
I stand my my assertion that you have serious productivity problems if adding 1% more characters makes an impact.
Aug 23 at 17:24, by SomeKittens
Coding is 4% typing, 11% thinking, 8% debugging and 77% hanging around in chat rooms.
so a 1% increase in 4% of your time.
 
most of my time is spent reading docs
:/
programming sucks
I should buy a boat
 
You'll need to read the manuals for boating, no?
 
they update less often
I've had to relearn js like 4 times now.
 
can relate
 
10:31 PM
I've only had to relearn it once, and arguably didn't know it that well before I relearned it.
 
user3233318
back
 
I started way early. learned it, then we evolved. learned it again. didn't touch it for a few years. learned it again. now es6..
and I really was liking es5.
 
@rlemon Dr. Axel has a great book on es6
 
not that I don't enjoy es6
 
es6 makes javascript fun again
 
10:33 PM
@catgocat mdn / babel docs seem to get me by so far
but thanks for the recommendation
 
user3233318
This is going to be my last message about ;. My position is that it is ok to use it or not. Why I don't want to talk about? Because SomeKittens kicked me out of this room before for starting arguments.
 
TNG S3 E19 10:25 in, there is naked bumcheeks. and nice ones. I never remembered this scene before. I've seen all of TNG like ten times over.
@Abhishrek ^
 
huh? I didn't kick.
 
if you were kicked out, it was probably for a good reason. There are way more reasons to use semicolons than to not.
 
@user148098 that is fine, we just shared that our position, as well as the majority of the JS community, is that it is not okay to omit them. In fact many people are trying very hard to get this enforced for future versions.
 
10:36 PM
I did mathematically prove you wrong.
You remind me of the anti-vaxxers. "Oh, there's tons of evidence on your side, but they're optional for a reason"
 
it is very likely that one day you will have to write them in js. I look forward to that day very much.
 
"Even though everyone involved in this sort of thing strongly recommends using them"
 
The main argument against using semicolons seems to be that you don't have to.
And that's not really a good argument.
 
that was @fat's argument
 
user3233318
10:37 PM
@SomeKittens I am not saying you guys are wrong, I do have a different opinion. I just don't feel comfortable talking about it in a room with you. Get it?
 
so why did you bring it up in the first place?
we can drop it, but I'm curious.
 
user3233318
I thought that it was not going to generate an argument and people were going to ignore that. That was a mistake.
 
well I don't really see it as an argument. I am not in any way heated.
 
inb4 he says I'm heated
 
Religion is stupid.
5
 
10:39 PM
@rlemon I do
but you know for obvious reasons.
 
lol
 
@phenomnomnominal stupid is religion.
 
!!s/religion/as stupid does/
 
@Abhishrek whatever fuck you, I don't want to argue about it.
 
dammit
 
10:40 PM
@rlemon @phenomnomnominal stupid is as stupid does. (source)
 
@phenomnomnominal I am not arguing :-/
I was instead supporting you :-(
 
.@codinghorror COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST EVIL TO THE CORE AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS JAVASCRIPT DEVELOPERS
8
 
he's being sarcastic @Abhishrek
@SomeKittens couldn't agree more
 
Surely anything with the name java init is a work of satan.
 
10:52 PM
I'mma flip a shit if somebody mentions how "3d touch" is a new idea.
a) it can be done on android -> developer.android.com/reference/android/view/…
 
is jQuery(function($){}); the same as $(function(){}); ?
 

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