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3:00 PM
@BenFortune which leads to this function github.com/petkaantonov/bluebird/blob/master/src/…
that does the check
 
unit test
 
Ah, so it does.
 
did someone say promise question?
 
3:02 PM
ssube's example is better.
 
No, we were just all talking about switching to async.js or jQuery.Deffered. :)
 
@Luggage ah, that's why it doesn't work... but not sure how to make it work
 
@rlemon lol
 
morning ya'll
 
3:03 PM
@Luggage have fun
 
this comment speaks to me
GF thinks it is funny / strange when she hears youtube coming from the washroom
 
Seriously though, promise question?
 
gold
 
3:06 PM
@rlemon This is older than the universe.
 
:))))
 
And I should know, because I am too
@FlorianMargaine XD
 
@rlemon Yeah, that's really weird.
Haven't you heard of headphones?
 
I gotta install an extension to pause gifs now
 
who wants to deal with headphones while pooping?
 
3:07 PM
Surprised @CapricaSix hasn't moved it yet
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum @corvid needed to get rid of callbacks in db access
 
Bot is probably down, again.
@ssube then corvid needs the disposer pattern
 
Yeah why is bot down? I mean for what has "forever" been developed?
 
This is a disposer example I made for a friend: github.com/luggage66/pg-promise-demo
 
@mash node apps (not the bot)
 
3:09 PM
tryign to convert him from his shitty callbacks
 
@BenFortune that is disabled
for now
 
I have a question about it somewhere - stackoverflow.com/questions/28915677/…
 
Time to wreak havoc
 
bluebird 3.0 would've let you know
 
damn
@BenjaminGruenbaum <- Resident Bluebird Evangelist
 
I'm not evangelist, I'm actively involved in the development process. I discuss these things and the API with petka literally every week :P
 
posted on April 07, 2015 by admin

Hovertext: THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, PHYSICAL CLOWNISTS New comic! Today's News:

 
@FlorianMargaine woo, Israel is on top 6 dev per capita
 
@FlorianMargaine lol
North Korea has no programmers
 
sure about that??
 
3:15 PM
nor does somalia :(
 
no programmers = no power
 
> Upon closer examination of the data, a trend emerges: Developers increasingly prefer spaces as they gain experience. Stack Overflow reputation correlates with a preference for spaces, too: users who have 10,000 rep or more prefer spaces to tabs at a ratio of 3 to 1.
Awesome. Take that @rlemon !
 
lol take that!
TABS FTW
 
yup, the most important part of this survey
 
@rlemon that's just cause of PHP
 
3:18 PM
2 or 4?
 
I don't get the MOST POPULAR TECHNOLOGIES
 
lol, that salary gap between US and Europe
 
how are those percentages meant
 
@mash depends on how much nesting is in your files
 
for real you guys prefer 2 spaces over 4 spaces? I'm still undecided. But tending to go into the 2 space direction because of the 80 char per line limit.
 
3:20 PM
the more nesting, the nicer 2 spaces is than 4
 
executives are the happiest "developers"
no shit. When you make up the rules, you'd better be happy with them.
 
But if you have a lot of nesting in your code, there may be a bigger problem
 
man QA gets such a bad rep
I enjoyed QA
 
@rlemon that's because of contractors
 
user1596138
Wow rep actually correlates to salary
 
3:21 PM
when you can get a pile of QA people for $10, they're not going to be good
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Of course. US citizens take much more risk and work hours than Europeans.
They are compensated for it.
 
@ssube a lot of companies undervalue QA
:(
then release buggy/unusable software
 
we actually had a fellow here who came in through a contract firm, started testing, decided it would be a good idea to torrent stuff on the side
 
@RoelvanUden the funny part is that the US is also cheaper, they make twice as much and pay half as much for stuff :D
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum correlation does not imply causality. It's probably the people who use spaces are more depressed and spend less time working and more time pissing around on the internet. Yeah, that's it.
 
3:22 PM
@ssube StackOverflow does it quite nicely for free.
 
compliance came down, made him take screenshots of his torrent client, took the screenshots, called the contract firm's head, and he was escorted out of the building
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum then they break an arm and have to give up their life savings to get it set
 
@ssube lol
 
tl;dr: contract QA can be really lousy
 
@rlemon why? companies in the US give employees health insurance
 
3:23 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum If you want the same arrangements you need to get your own health insurance etc. It costs quite a bit. Similar principles apply to house insurance, car insurance, etc.
 
@KendallFrey I mean, I hit the tab key and my IDE converts it to spaces.
 
user1596138
@rlemon Well SO says it's the least satisfying job lol
 
@Shmiddty that right there is idiotic
 
@RoelvanUden car insurance costs a lot here too - but then again salaries are higher here than most of Europe.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum not all, and not always 100%
 
3:23 PM
If an unemployed European gets paralyzed he'll still be taken care of. US citizens are left to die :D
 
@KendallFrey Nerp
 
Everyone here is from the US?? o_O
 
@rlemon usually, also, obama and stuff.
 
1.9% of developers hate their job
 
But Canada is good on both ends.
 
3:24 PM
@mash I'm European.
 
@KendallFrey how often do you replace your space bar?
 
I'm from Israel, I might do a year in the US though later (and have done a year before)
 
!!s/developers/people/
 
@Shmiddty 1.9% of people hate their job (source)
 
@Jhawins chicken and egg. is it unsatisfying because it is undervalued?
 
3:24 PM
@ssube never, why should I? tabs ftw
 
@CapricaSix no, that's more
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum recently thats changed
but in the past most younger people who had stuff happen were screwed financially
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think it's good to work for a few years in the US when you are highly educated and perfectly health. Then come back to Europe to enjoy your massive savings. Otherwise, to remain a permanent US citizen, not so much.
 
But how many M&Ms were in the jar?
 
@rlemon shit-chicken and shit-omelet. It's generally done by lousy people, which makes everyone else hate them, which causes decent people to avoid it.
 
3:25 PM
@mash We've actually got representation from all over the globe.
 
min wage part time jobs don't provide insurance :/
and insurance otherwise is pretty expensive
haha and now you get a tax penalty for not having it
 
@RoelvanUden I'm health insured anywhere in the world - that's how it works in Israel. You're always insured - if you're ill and in another country they'll fly you back and treat you.
 
@ssube in your experience maybe
 
> too poor to afford insurance, here have a penalty with it as well
 
That said- local insurance is good and health insurance doesn't cover extreme sports and the such when abroad.
 
3:26 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Sure, but you give that up if you become a US citizen.
 
My company actually has a pretty decent QA department, I think. It seems like most of them decently enjoy their jobs
 
a compensated, valued SQA will be a very good asset for any team.
 
user1596138
I was just given an indesign document as a "design" for a new web layout at work
 
@RoelvanUden why :P? You can have dual citizenship, well, triple in my case.
 
user1596138
Problem is he just made me stop working on everything that actually has a deadline and said to do this.
 
3:26 PM
@Retsam mine too, QA people here are satisfied.
 
@Jhawins hey my boss said they are going to get in touch with you soon fyi
we are interviewing someone local tomorrow
 
@Jhawins You should print it out, then use papercraft to make it interactive
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You can take Israel insurance if you work/live in the US? That'd be weird.
 
user1596138
@Loktar oh cool! That local guy sucks you can just skip him ;P
 
@rlemon yeah. They hired someone here to a mgmt role after they failed their interview, so all the good QA people left and we've been scraping by with bottom-of-the-barrel contractors since.
 
3:27 PM
@Jhawins haha hopefully :p
 
@ssube imo(based on experience), 9/10 contractors will suck
 
^
 
doesn't matter QA or not
 
oh yeah
 
@RoelvanUden You'd be surprised what you can get away with when it comes to dual citizenship stuff.
 
3:28 PM
@RoelvanUden Israel has a very erm... Massianic feeling to it. If you're Jewish you don't even have to be a citizen. They'll literally give you around $10K just to come, even if you're sick, and they'll treat you.
Healthcare isn't the best and it has issues, but you can see any doctor you need within a month (and non specialist at an hour's notice) for free and emergency care is pretty good.
 
I have a relative who lived/worked in the U.S. for virtually her whole life... then was able to retire in Northern Ireland and gets a significant retirement stipend from the British govt.
 
It's better than most of the world I think but it has issues.
 
anyone here ever implemented/worked with flux? you actually preferred it over mvc in the end?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum our hospitals try to model themselves after yours
 
@Loktar "not jew? get out!"
 
3:30 PM
I slept so horribly last night ugh
 
our hospitals have to learn how to say "go away"
 
sounds like you guys have pretty good healthcare
 
we have clinics for minor shit.
 
@Loktar our hospitals have funding problems, there aren't enough doctors around and they're not training them fast enough since doctor training here takes forever (like... 13 years).
 
user1596138
I signed the wall in our hospital and put "First!"
 
3:30 PM
people go to the hospital with a sprain and end up waiting 9 hours and then complaining the system doesn't work. no the system works if you don't abuse it you little shit. go to the clinic.
 
user1596138
Except they lied to me and I was actually second...
 
@rlemon we do as well
 
pretty sick that an ukrain with avg salary of 26.2k can buy more big macs than an american with avg 90k income
 
Since the terror wave of the 2000s we have really good emergency care - the problem is that expensive equipment is scarce. Hospitals are wasteful at times - it's a good thing in a way though since they don't mind "wasting money" on you doing tests.
 
urgent care, and its cheap
 
3:31 PM
@rlemon that would not happen here (9 hours of waiting). Although there are mistakes that happen.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum haha yeah unfortunately here when they do tests.. the amt you have to pay goes up significantly
 
user1596138
@jAndy Big Mac here is like $4 or something it's $1.20 there lol
 
Hospitals are usually crowded though.
 
@Loktar well, ours is all free :P but the point is still the same. people in Canada complain about wait times... but those are the people waiting in the Emergency room with chicken pocks -- "I WAS HERE THREE HOURS AGO! THAT MAN BLEEDING FROM THE HEAD JUST GOT HERE! WHY WAS HE SEEN FIRST!~"
 
(from survey results): "Source control is an industry standard tool. However, fun fact: about 10% of developers still don't use it." I call those people fools.
 
3:32 PM
I had to pay $1200 for a lower (mri maybe?) scan, the dr. suggested it
it returned nothing, and I was fine
 
Tabs :( vs Spaces...
 
user1596138
They "lost" my xrays when I had my teeth removed so I got to pay $160 for new xrays... Insurance only covers it once in 6 months not twice in a week.
 
user1596138
@Loktar lolol they suggest everything
 
I prefer pressing Tab to input 4 or 2 spaces
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum they give no fucks about people who are not in urgent need (as long as there are people in need)
 
3:32 PM
@Loktar they literally put a friend of mine in a really expensive new CT machine on a hunch because they had digestion problems just to rule out cancer.
 
user1596138
> I know you just hit your head but lets try a colonoscopy just to be safe, that'll be $600 annnddddd look no hands!
 
@rlemon that actually makes sense.
 
@Jhawins haha yeah well I always had good insurance so it never mattered
but my job now.. Its not as good as the govs insurance lol
@BenjaminGruenbaum hah nice
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yea, I'm just saying those people who are waiting because they are in the wrong place end up complaining that the system here doesn't work.
but they are just being tools.
 
yeah I would be all for that if I didn't have to pay lol
 
user1596138
3:34 PM
I paid $770 out of my pocket to have my wisdom teeth removed... And I have insurance :/
 
user1596138
^ I will pay that.. Tomorrow
 
yeah thats whats stupid m an, I paid $1200 for a scan.. and I have insurance too
its like wtf?
 
user1596138
Seriously.
 
I pay $450 a month for insurance
 
@rlemon we actually have different types of emergency rooms for different urgencies.For example if you come from a terrorist attack you go to the trauma room - where there are scans like X-Rays etc from the walls and ceiling and you're on a grid so you move super fast and everyone gets all the information in real time and all the specialists can access you quickly.
 
3:34 PM
insurance has gotten pretty bad in the last 4 years or so, I blame Obama care ofc.
 
I paid like $900 for physio on my back. I get it all back tho.
 
If you just have a headache or something else you go to a much more comfy area but you usually wait.
@rlemon that's good.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah coming from a terrorist attack isn't that common here we don't have rooms for that..
 
@Jhawins I paid $300 from my pocket for dental care once - because I wanted to choose the specialist.
 
"Thanks Obama"
 
3:35 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum we basically have one emergency room then they file you off to different areas of the hospital you need. we go have 'urgent care clinics' which handle everything. THOSE are what is recommended if you are not in dire need.
 
@Jhawins yup, shame for you :P It's not really common here either in the past 10 years but it's still super helpful with car crashes.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Oh yeah they said it would've been only $60 if I went to the specialist they contracted with. But dude nobody wants to drive 6 hours to have surgery. It was 6 hours away
 
Only pay for dental care in the UK, the other stuff is free
Unless you need prescriptions
 
@rlemon we have those clinics, I avoid them since they have usually don't have the best equipment or doctors here. They're only good for surface injuries and I can deal with those myself.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Most big hospitals in the states have shock/trauma, or there's on in the state somewhere.
 
3:36 PM
@BenFortune "free"
 
I could go without paying anything in France
 
user1596138
And we have really good insurance compared to what most people have here :/
 
your taxes pay for it
 
We mostly use them for shootings, though. :D
 
@ssube it's not just a trauma unit - maybe you have them too I don't know.
 
3:37 PM
Well, yeah
 
but I have a private insurance that gives me a few stuff like private room in a hospital or this kind of thing
 
Dental costs money here (it's cheap though) but it doesn't for children now and it won't for adults in a few years (it's a law on the way).
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah we have trauma rooms we just don't have terrorist attacks in Indiana. I mean where do you think I went after that car accident you've probably seen a picture of :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum they call it shock/trauma, but it's for the really serious shit: shootings, car accidents, explosions, anything fun like that.
 
in Canada: prescriptions are free, filling them is not. medical emergencies are free. dental is not. optometry is not. physio and recovery is not.
 
3:37 PM
@FlorianMargaine yeah, I have private insurance just in case :)
 
basically they keep you alive. everything else, you pay for.
 
@Jhawins did you get x-ray'd and scanned from the ceiling?
 
user1596138
They did a CT scan and like 3 other full body sized scans on me.. It was about $700 in the end and $680 of that was to pay for a new telephone pole
 
@rlemon you actually paid for it all
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum most companies offer private insurance to their employees
 
3:38 PM
with that fat tax bill you had :p
 
what is psyhio ?
 
@Loktar well yea, I know
 
@Loktar no, he just paid a part of it
 
I'm not talking about that tho, I'm just comparing the systems.
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Umm.... Get in a bed and there's a giant xray machine that comes down from the ceiling? An they cover your balls with lead shielding
 
3:38 PM
that's the point of being a nation
 
@FlorianMargaine here most companies don't since the public one is good - I'm mostly ensured so I can pick whatever specialist I want and not wait the week.
 
unite for the good or the bad
 
@Jhawins nice :)
 
user1596138
It's always just slightly chuckle worthy when the cute nurse is like "I'm just gonna cover up your package with this"
 
@FlorianMargaine he got to pay for all the people that couldn't as well
yay!...
 
3:39 PM
@Loktar I have less than 0 problem with that
 
It always warms my heart when my Sister gets like 8k back from the gov and I'm paying that or more in :/
 
I don't mind paying for the people who can't from my taxes. Sorry but that's how I am
 
^
 
user1596138
@Loktar lol hey if you go to school you get all kinda of money
 
As a privileged person, I'm all for paying for the health, security and education of poor people - anything else they should pay for.
 
3:40 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum in the hopes they become productive citizens as well, or do better
 
Smart and healthy people are better for the economy anyway so I'll see the money back anyway.
 
user1596138
My brother makes money to go to school (come tax time)
 
1 min ago, by Florian Margaine
unite for the good or the bad
 
the more canadians living, the more canadians in need of corn. the more need for corn the more money in my pocket. it all comes full circle in the end.
 
@Loktar if they don't become productive citizens after getting free education and healthcare and they were given real opportunity it's their problem and the country shouldn't help them anymore unless they help themselves.
However, I do believe that everyone deserves a chance.
 
3:40 PM
!!afk corn
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I agree with that, however that doesnt happen here
my dad is a perfect example, collecting a check every month to sit in my basement and play video games
 
@Loktar right, because your healthcare and education are expensive so a lot of people have a hard time to make a leap.
It's also a cultural thing I guess.
 
actually.. the majority of taxes from european countries (I guess US and Canada aswell) goes into interest bills, not the health, education and security.
 
@rlemon Canada grows corn and maple syrup to make kraft dinner out of, right?
 
user1596138
Omfg he totally asked me to do this redesign in 1 day. He might actually be crazy..
 
user1596138
3:42 PM
I didn't say who "he" is so go ahead and email my boss like that one chick did ;P
 
2 hours ago, by Bassem
i did not said my words to u @zirak
 
@Loktar not that I wouldn't come live in the states, at least for a while. The US is still the biggest market and the most advanced country in the world. It's a financial empire and it's where things happen - it's like living in Rome in ancient times.
 
sweet glorious drama <3
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum we'll "help people" who haven't worked in 8 years for no damn reason
 
I enjoyed Baltimore for a year.
 
3:43 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum that's because baltimore has the best food
 
@Jhawins honestly? You should, you should help them work. People don't like having shitty self esteem or doing badly.
@ssube food was nice :)
 
only city where you can get decent pizza and barbeque
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Depends on what "help" is, if it's subsidizing their worthless intoxicated life where they give nothing back to society other than feeding the economy through the nearest liquor store, nope, I say fuck that guy.
 
@Jhawins what about disabled people?
They literally give nothing back
 
user1596138
@FlorianMargaine :(
 
3:46 PM
@Jhawins Someone emailed your boss about what you said in SO chat? Wow.
 
@Jhawins imagine getting into Stanford or MIT (generally - a top 100 CS place) was well within your reach and a matter of choice, you wouldn't have to pay for it (Maybe at tops $2K a year, likely you'd get paid for going). Also, you wouldn't have to pay for your health bills after your car crash.
 
user1596138
It's not usually their fault
 
@Jhawins the caveat is having to spend 3 years as a soldier, which can be nice or it can really suck. At 21 though you'd be at an ivy league place.
 
user1596138
@Retsam Yep, well from a comment on Main. My boss looked at her profile and said "Tell her we don't want fat people from NY reading our Indiana based paper anyway"
 
3:47 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum @ssube I live relatively close to baltimore
it's pretty ghetto. great place for drugs
like, top notch crack
 
@Jhawins You are one of the people who'd get help in Israel. Also, we're literally thousands of developers short all the time.
 
@SterlingArcher ever visited the suburb columbia?
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Are you saying I should live in Israel lol
 
columbia the country or the DC district?
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum What kind of help do I need?
 
3:48 PM
@Jhawins no, he's showing you what free education can be
 
@SterlingArcher columbia marijuana (the suburb) not colombia cocaine (the country)
 
@Jhawins not because you're poor, you're definitely not poor. Because you're underprivileged in terms of your ability to acquire ivy league education.
 
you can't even imagine going to MIT right?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think mandatory service has its perks though
 
user1596138
Ah. Yup, that'd be fucking great. But I can't even fathom that.
 
user1596138
3:48 PM
I can't imagine going to Purdue, and it's 2 hours away and half the price.
 
You get to meet and work with people you'd otherwise never get the chance to
 
@ssube i've been to the ghettos of Washington DC lol I'm not sure if that's what you mean
 
So wait, can you promisify all database models within meteor like this? Promise.promisifyAll(Meteor.Collections.Cursor.prototype)
 
in France, I know that I just need to have the skills. Money is not an issue
 
@SterlingArcher it's a suburb just south-west of baltimore, like 10 minutes out on 70 (iirc)
 
3:49 PM
@SecondRikudo btw, you totally have my vote for mod. Need a campaign manager? i work for millions on the dollar
@ssube ah, prolly not, I don't go to maryland often. I hate it there
 
@Jhawins also you're not a citizen so there's that :P I'm just illustrating the point of the system. Although @SecondRikudo is working as a developer after being trailed in the army now and doesn't need a degree - if he wants one he can always just go do it and pay $2K a year at a really good place.
 
user1596138
I looked at studying overseas. It's not doable
 
@SterlingArcher wat? it's a million times better than that awful virginia place
 
user1596138
It's like $800 for a degree if you're an EU citizen.. If you're non-EU, $14K/year for the same thing.
 
@Jhawins also again, you're not a citizen so you'd actually pay around $30K a year and not $2K since the government wouldn't pay for your education.
 
3:50 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum $30k is still a pretty good deal
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum actually.. honestly my dad is perfectly happy not working
 
Right, in the EU it's the same thing, having an educated society and giving everyone access to health and education is super important from a society point of view.
 
he barely worked when he had a job :/
 
Virginia is awesome! You can go from rich city to miles of farm in under 30 minutes
 
user1596138
Yeah, good for you guys lol I'm glad you have it not "easy", but "accessible"
 
3:50 PM
so many people just want a free lunch
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher that my area
 
Like, most of northern VA is filthy disgusting rich
 
in certain areas thats just the culture honestly
 
user1596138
There are lots of "wealthy" people here
 
@Loktar maybe it's a cultural difference, a free lunch doesn't get you respect here and people here care a lot about that for some reason.
 
3:51 PM
yeah I definitely think it is a cultural thing for sure
not everyone is like that by any means
I mean I grew up on welfare, a dad who didn't work, lost mult houses, ect. ect. ect.
but I still had a personal drive
lots of people do, its just that lots of people don't as well lol
 
@Jhawins here too, and it's a problem. Israel is far from being a perfect country it's pretty shitty in many regards - I just think free education and healthcare is super important for a just society that strives to opportunity equality and it's also a major driving force for our economy.
@Loktar right, and society should nurture that personal drive.
 
user1596138
Problem is here (here specifically in rural Indiana) everyone thinks all jobs are pretty much equal.
 
user1596138
I'm a fucking developer, I have applied places locally and been offered things like $12/hr no benefits
 
See, in the US our federal government has made it very clear that you don't need a work ethic, so it's hard to convince the common citizens that they should.
 
user1596138
At "respected" places!!
 
3:53 PM
developers developers developers
 
yea.. job status is pretty fucking "off" in all countries
 
@Loktar society should make sure that disease doesn't leave 20 year old you in debt so you can never really work your way up because that'd cost it a lot more money in the long run.
 
@rlemon a new hired at work manages an EVE community of 15k people
 
@ssube duh, why work for minimum wage when you can get the same money in welfare sitting on your ass. #workethic
 
@FlorianMargaine rlemon is afk: corn
 
3:54 PM
I don't get for instance, that a nurse or any carer for the elderly's income is like... 2% of any banker or manager
 
s/c/p/
 
maybe even less
 
@Loktar society should make sure training is available to 20 year old you, that 20 year old you is aware of their options, that they can achieve and grow - that their drive is a good thing they and that they should work hard.
 
those people jobs is way more important for a nation
 
user1596138
Minimum wage lol
 
3:54 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah definitely
 
@Jhawins that again, is a cultural problem.
 
@SterlingArcher Why work for minimum wage when you can get better money in congress sitting on your ass. #workethic
 
user1596138
Jesus I can't believe I survived on $7.25/hr
 
fortunately I did have access to college via subsidized programs
 
@ssube how so?
 
3:55 PM
@jAndy there's no profit in medicine unless you develop the medicine or machines
 
user1596138
Minimum wage here is $7.25, the absolute cheapest place you can rent starts in at like $500/month.
 
@SterlingArcher because people like to matter. Several people I know would never take welfare but gladly work for minimum wage.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum regular government shutdowns over trivial issues, increasingly long breaks, general inaction. Our leaders set a very poor example.
 
Still on minimum wage here :)
 
user1596138
That makes 45% of your income (if you get 40 hours every week) to pay rent at the cheapest possible place.
 
3:55 PM
@ssube ours too to be fair :)
 
@ssube I mean, YMMV over what a "trivial" issue is.
 
user1596138
We don't have public transportation. If you think I'm lying fuck off, it does not exist. You have to maintain a vehicle.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum damn straight! I'd rather pickup dogshit at the vet again for $5.15/hr than not work
 
@SterlingArcher tru. But I was more after the importance to a country respectively a nation. A job like nurse or binman is way more important than any employee in finance office for instance.
 
@Loktar right, which is super important. Now wouldn't it be nice if anyone in your place would have access to an ivy league education if they wanted to? (certainly not everyone gets in to the good universities here but anyone with enough motivation can and money is not an issue)
 
3:56 PM
@jAndy ethically speaking yes, but in a capitalist country where money rules? not so much unfortunately
 
I mean "regular" govt shutdowns? I can only think of one in recent memory, and that was over the budget, which I'm not sure qualifies as a "trivial" issue.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum heh yeah that was a non option for me, and would have been amazing
 
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@SterlingArcher I'd rather not waste my time. I have a work ethic but I also have self worth. I'm worth a lot more than that.
 
@Loktar right, this is what happens here. Then again we have an equally shitty society only differently. Also - imagine your life started at 21 after 3 years of army.
And everyone would go.
(Women do 2 years)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum heh thats one reason I joined the USAF
 
3:58 PM
Why do women only do 2?
 
the USAF was an amazing opportunity that got me where I am today
 
just to make it clear... France doesn't have required army, but health/education is still free.
 
I definitely think most people should join the military.
 
@FlorianMargaine s/free/paid for by riots/ ?
 
@Loktar why is that
 
3:59 PM
@ssube as in any country having free healthcare/education
 
With a minimalistic life style you can stop working so much for other people and start working more for yourself.
 
@jAndy it builds character, self worth, teamwork, and helps build pride for your nation.
 
Sometimes when I'm writing Javascript I want to throw up my hands and say "this is bullshit!" but I can never remember what "this" refers to
 
probably, but any sports team can do most of that aswell.
 
@Loktar teaches you not to be a little bitch and actually take responsibility for getting things done
 
3:59 PM
@Loktar I agree with everything you said, until you said "pride for your nation"
 

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