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3:00 PM
nvm i got it thanks! enjoy happy new year
 
Hahaha
 
That was an interesting conversation
 
@Lanaru If you have 3 years of experience in C++, don't you know about learning about the basics is a better idea than a game? :-/
 
We're so helpful!
 
3:00 PM
What just happened?
 
that
 
a help anti-vampire
 
who wants to do free design work for me? single page, I already have a very crappy version of it done :D
 
or a help ghost
 
@rlemon photoshop does
 
3:01 PM
"woooo, I need help!" "how should we help you?" "wooooo, I don't need help!" poof
@rlemon use bootstrap. Make sure you host it yourself, CDNs are the work of satan.
 
@dievardump @dystroy looks like they're closing in on the suspects right now?
 
It is a desktop app
halp!
I iz bad desgnr
 
add a left margin to the header text so it lines up with the output box
indent your options section further, and probably put each one on a line
emphasize the apply button and status line?
 
programming nubbin here... I can log things to the console in Go... great, fantastic; how do I make a window? You know, an application window/frame thing? What is that even called?
 
3:09 PM
what if I wanted to make one, because I'm learning... how much hair will I lose over it?
 
@NickDugger You mean an iframe or an in-page dialog?
 
do GUI's have to be done in C++? Man, I know nothing about anything...
 
@NickDugger GUIs can be done in most languages. Even HTML/JS via node-webkit.
 
@NickDugger don't make a window.
Simple as that, don't do too many things at once.
 
3:13 PM
Ah, benjamin... someone who understands my cryptic needs... lol
 
Write a server-side in Go and do the client in JS for UI if you must have UI, but don't make windows.
 
Any people here who are good at hardware ? I need a quick opinion on parts for gaming box.
 
Learning a UI framework isn't fun.
@tereško @rlemon and @Loktar afaik.
 
plus I suck at Hardware anyway :P
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum This is very true. There are no good UI frameworks.
 
3:14 PM
but I wan't to create a desktop app, not something in javascript where I'd have to use something like node-webkit, or whatever
 
The only UI framework I thought was fun learning was WPF :P
 
@RoelvanUden and visual basic. That was fun, honest.
Also flash
 
yes! ^
to both
although I preferred flash when it was as2 honestly
lol it was so easy
 
user2620028
Watching my girlfriend try to play her first console game. :)
 
@NickDugger define "a desktop app". for what desktop? what OS? what wm?
 
3:15 PM
@Loktar that's because ES3 sucks. Today we can say it out loud that's fine.
 
what window toolkit?
 
@Loktar so, you don't really have extensive experience, but still have opinions
 
are you talking about pc hardware @tereško ?
 
Oh for a gaming box I'm fine at those parts I build those for friends all the time
 
@Loktar yes
 
3:15 PM
(assuming PC)
 
I have opinions for sure, but programming hw related stuff thats definitely up @rlemon alley
 
"parts for gaming box"
 
ooh I didn't see.
 
@ssube keep in mind I don't know what I'm talking about and am only doing all of this for learning... I want to (when I run the exe), open a window, or a GUI, I guess. Not sure what I'm even looking for to be honest
 
get a 970, currently the best single card you can get
there is my advice :P
haha what questions do you have
 
3:16 PM
 
seriously ?
*.bmp ?!
 
@tereško invest in something to replace your cpu fan, otherwise you will be driven mad by the noise.
 
user2620028
that looks so uncomfortable neil
 
@HatterisMad Box for gaming? No? No. Ok. ._.
 
3:19 PM
hey
 
if you are looking to build a pc, that is a great resource.
 
user2620028
I got it, just commenting that it looks very uncomfortable lol
 
@tereško If you can fit a full tower somewhere, get one from corsair. Tons of space to fit whatever hardware you want.
revodrives are a ton of fun, but not always worth it.
 
I have the 760t and love it
but it was pricey
there are some older full towers like... 25-30% of the price
 
@Loktar I have an 800D, love it. Great airflow, tons of room for the (million) power cables.
 
3:22 PM
hah yeah same here, I have a modular psu though so cable management isn't too rough
 
Can also fit a 3x120mm radiator across the time.
I have a modular one, and still too many cables. :(
 
why does occur TypeError: Object.getOwnPropertyDescriptor(...) is undefined error in the following code:
but when I add following code line to the Test function, all code lines run correctly?
var fnFunction = new fn();
 
The 800D also has 4 sata hotswap bays in the front, which is convenient.
Bottom-mounted, downward-facing PSU too. Can fit pretty good-size ones, I have an AX1200 or something.
 
@Loktar the two cards that I am looking at are gtx 970 and r9 290x
 
if you are only getting one card the 970 is better
I say that begrudgingly because I have 2 290x's
 
3:25 PM
until you hit the drivers, then it gets weird
 
but amd is releasing their 300 series really soon
 
hmm
 
the 290x is damn cheap too though
 
last time I bought an nVidia card was shortly before I had to work with their devs for the first time
 
they both are in the same price/performance slot , but I will have to look into actual game-benchmarks
 
3:26 PM
@ssube with drivers lately nvidia is killing it too :/
 
@Loktar nah, they do some really dumb stuff
 
@tereško there is a very small difference to be honest, but the 970 does come out as the better single card
 
well, the amd's Mantel seems to be awesome thing
 
mantel is actually great
 
and there is also the freesync thing
 
3:27 PM
one of my last experiences with them was finding a perf issue, writing a test case and patch for the drivers, sending it in, and having it rejected because "that code path was critical to performance"
 
@ssube that maybe so.. but nvidia has still been killing amd with drivers
 
as I said , those two are on my "must decide" list
 
amd just released the omega's which are a lot better at least
 
no shit it was critical to performance, and the performance was bad
 
and finally adding some features that nvidia users have had for a few years (like downscaling)
 
3:27 PM
they still pack textures backwards
 
@tereško its really a toss up honestly. If you see the mantel games coming out and know you will play the hell out of those its nto bad to go amd
 
nvidia's hardware is fine, but between the idiotic legacy code and rampant benchmark tuning, their drivers aren't something I'd push to prod
 
however the 290x also runs really hot
its operating temp is 80c
 
cooling won't be an issue
 
you ever plan on doing crossfire/sli?
imo amd handles it better
no bridge needed and you can mix cards
also the 290x's have the edge in 4k gaming
 
3:30 PM
@Loktar yes, I plan to buy another card and additional 16GB ram two month later
 
@Neil that kinda looks like @Loktar
 
(the planned time for buying is - beginning of february)
 
haha damn, I want to say just wait for the 300 series..
but there is always somethign around the corner I suppose
no exact date on release but people are estimating around feb
 
@Loktar I looked at the 295x .. it costs almost 1K
 
yeah its just 2 290x's on one board
 
3:31 PM
.. I doubt I will be able to afford 300th
 
I almost got the 295, but the rift doesnt like crossfire/sli
even though you can disable one of them on the 295x still, I didn't feel like it
 
I can go high, but not THAT high
 
and the price diff for 2 290x's vs one 295x was like $300
 
@tereško never buy the two-on-one cards
they inevitably have power and cooling weirdness
 
well I guess the benefit if you go with the 290x is you can get the 300 series still in feb as your 2nd card
if you wanted
 
3:33 PM
I think this beats all of copy's codegolf aem1k.com/mandelcode
 
if you want two cards, just buy two cards and a case that can fit them
 
since with amd you can use 2 diff ones anyway
 
the current setup is 2000€: dateks.lv/… (amd/asus version)
 
@Loktar within reason, and they publish a matrix of what works with what
 
yea
yeah a 290x should work with the 300's id imagine
should be a pretty safe bet
 
3:34 PM
@tereško if you're buying individual fans for some weird reason, go with scythe
 
also I love the no bridge connector
granted its not like the bridge connector is a huge deal, but meh, its nice to just plug them in and be done
 
@ssube I'm still gonna be reading on the cooling stuff
 
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the only box I'd put kingston memory into is a refrigerator
 
lol
 
3:34 PM
it would probably cause a cardboard box to fail and bsod
 
so, the general recommendation is to avoid kingston ram ?
 
just get corsair or gskill
 
^
I have gskill, has always been great
 
if you want "budget"y ram, xms3 (or equiv) is a good bet
 
but corsair stuff is awesome as well
corsair has stepped up their game so much since the ram days too, their coolers, cases, periphs are also nice
 
3:36 PM
I only have corsair SSD
but they are fantastic
 
"use corsair for ram" noted
 
ram is so dumb right now price wise
my pc 2 years ago the ram was half the price :/
for the same ram lol
 
$10/gig for 1600mhz is pretty good
 
@GNi33 Situation is very unclear. Cops are running everywhere...
 
any other comments regarding the setup, @Loktar / @ssube ?
 
3:41 PM
@tereško I have 3 of these on my radiator, been running nice and quiet for 2.5 years now: frozencpu.com/products/22647/fan-640/…
 
aside form "read more about fans"
 
a large radiator and low rpm fans brings noise down
 
that looks really similiar to my fans
 
@tereško the general recommendation is to buy the cheapest ram you can get if you don't overclock
 
Been putting those in my case
/me heads to meeting
 
3:42 PM
these giant mac retina monitors are pretty nice. Laptop screens are just too tiny. I need to get some kind of docking station or something for home
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I do intend to overclock
 
the corsair cases do come with a pretty good array of fans
 
yeah, one of mine was too loud though
was really annoying me
 
@tereško Ah in that case avoid kingston like the fire.
 
@Shmiddty s/giant mac retina monitors/rebranded ultrasharps with gloss/
 
3:43 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum noted
 
@ssube fair enough.
But it's still nice
 
Ultrasharps are really nice.
 
I'll have to check one out some time
 
you could even say they're... ultra nice
/sunglasses
 
haha
 
3:43 PM
I have heard good things about NZXT fans
any opinions ?
 
what about water cooling?
 
@tereško I was very satisfied with them while I used them.
I wouldn't bother with water cooling it's a lot more work - I had water cooling for two years and I don't think it was that worth it.
 
water cooling can be nice, and extremely helpful if you want to overclock, but adding it to the GPU will be very expensive.
You need exactly the right cooling block for your card, down to the revision and manufacturer.
 
just buy a gpu already meant for water cooling
 
yeah , I intend to have water cooling only for CPU
 
3:45 PM
if you want CPU-only, corsair has some nice sealed systems
 
and even that a "ready to use" version
 
history.back() in safari 7.1.2 is not working?can someone tell me pls
 
I built a custom single-loop CPU+GPU system for my rig, and it works great, but wasn't cheap.
 
yeah, I don't thing I am good enough with tools to build a custom-loop
 
I've been considering modding my projector and replacing the fans with water cooling
 
3:46 PM
even though I would really love to
 
But I'm going to wait a while first
 
@tereško there aren't any tools involved, actually (besides a knife)
it's all screw-in joints and plastic tubing. Really simple to do, I was surprised.
Getting and attaching the heatsinks is the hardest part.
 
Guys, do anyone of you know of an open source solution for interactive transcripts, something like jwplayer.com ?
 
anyway, the intention is to have an ultra-quite gaming rig
the case contribute the most of it
 
Yeah that case is really good
 
3:49 PM
if quiet is a priority, you will want liquid cooling.
 
I doubt I will be skilled enough to implement a full loop and I am a bit limited for the majority of part
the e-shop which I have chosen accepts cash payments (because: eastern europian reasons)
 
amazon.com/Corsair-Obsidian-Series-Computer-CC800DW/dp/… + frozencpu.com/products/20911/ex-rad-634/…30_FPI-Black_HX-360XC_No_Nozzles.html?tl=g30c95s161#blank + 3 of frozencpu.com/products/22647/fan-640/… and pull every other fan you can find
 
@ssube there are fans that run really quiet, you have fans in liquid cooling anyway you know.
They're just bigger so they're more quiet.
 
@ssube well, there are "kits" for making custom loops
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum exactly. A few large, slow fans on a large radiator will be cooler than a bunch of tiny fans all over.
and much, much quieter.
 
3:52 PM
what does this throw minErr mean ?
 
Ideally, you can have the liquid cover everything but the PSU, and PSU fans tend to be pretty large and quiet anyway.
 
Meh, if you want liquid cooling do it like I did it it's a lot cheaper - use distilled water (or car anti freeze), get your pipes etc as plastic pipe at a shop that sells plumber stuff, use large standard fans and use a radiator from a motorcycle for the heatsink (you can get those for free at the car junkyard)
 
@tereško Quiet is important
 
The only thing that costs money is the cooling blocks if you don't feel like going to a local smith
Going to a smith will get better results and look prettier and might be cheaper but it's a lot more work.
 
Buying "coolant" is more or less a scam, as you can get distilled water and add some silver and whatnot to prevent anything growing.
 
3:56 PM
I got my entire water cooling setup (aquarium water pump, fans, radiator, plumbing, blocks etc) for under 200$
 
You do want to make sure you don't mix metals too much, as some can corrode each other if they're in the same loop.
 
yeah , well , I only started re-learning about hardware only a month ago .. have mostly been watching crap from youtube channels: youtube.com/user/razethew0rld and youtube.com/user/Jayztwocents
 
Bought the blocks second hand, saved quite a bit of money, I did not have a steady job back then and was a lot more of a tinkerer.
 
I think making a custom-loop will be out of my capability range
 
If you can afford or find parts, it's an afternoon of estimating tube lengths.
 
3:58 PM
not enough hands-on experience, the hardest hardware related thing that I have been doing s "clean the damned laptop"
 
and you'll be able to overclock more than any heatsink+fan will allow
practically, for all real-life applications, it's useless and incredibly overpriced.
 
I wouldn't go for water cooling if I were you, it's a lot of work and I'm not convinced it's worth it.
 

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