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9:00 PM
!!afk time to go sit on my couch, drink some Sam Adams, and play some Lego City.
 
beta seems to work
dling
 
!!afk driving home. @SecondRikudo told me he especially enjoys being pinged about jQuery plugin questions. Make sure not to share which plugin you are using, and be as vague about your issue as you'd like.
 
@FlorianMargaine I have ssh now :D grep'ing
 
installing beta fixed it
 
9:04 PM
o/\o
 
@SterlingArcher found it?
@Bartek means it'll be in stable in less than 6 weeks
 
i dont mind using bet for now
 
Yup, found the file!
 
well okay using touch keyboad when i have this physical one is retarded
ITT I'm in love with my laptop
it's great
it's better than anticipated
 
@SterlingArcher great. Now good luck with what's coming next, it completely depends on the codebase.
 
9:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I felt the same way about my first pair of underwear
 
i know, im frightened
drupal php is like it's own language
there's a function for literally everything lol
 
@Sterling you know how hook menu works?
 
I mean it's like my iPad, except I can actually do productive stuff on it
 
@FlorianMargaine no sir
 
and has 250GiB of storage
 
9:08 PM
@Bartek what is it? You never had a laptop before?
 
@monners underwear is for noobs
 
@FlorianMargaine It's a convertible ultrabook
 
@Sterling can you share the function where you saw the base-search?
 
great my ssh is fucking up
 
@Bartek link?
 
9:09 PM
@FlorianMargaine not sure, will ask my boss. Right now my ssh wont let me in though
 
@FlorianMargaine it's thinkpad yoga
 
that's a very literal computer name
during yoga, you do think on a pad
 
it can do yoga stuff alright
 
it's very harmonic what they did there
DO YOU EVEN DOWNWARD DOG BRO?
..doge?
 
the ability to twist the screen is epic
also it's just a wee bit smaller than my 14" HP, and is half as thing and half as heavy
altough everyone I show it too comment on it as "heavy"
 
9:11 PM
@Sterling anyway, in the same place as the route you should be in a xxx_menu function. There is the name of the function called in "page callback" near the route
You should be able to keep going after that
@Bartek seems nice. Also expensive.
 
@FlorianMargaine Ultrabooks are not cheap in general
compared to Dell or Apple, though...
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, if they want light they can get a tablet. Laptops are still pretty heavy, except the thin models where everything is integrated
@FlorianMargaine thank you so much :)
 
@SterlingArcher it kinda is that thin model
i mean it's more like macbook pro than macbook air
 
@SterlingArcher at a certain point, though, they cease being laptops and become unwieldy cleavers
 
but for me it feels pretty slick
@JanDvorak like 15" +
 
9:15 PM
bleh I can't stand tablets
 
@Loktar why?
 
@JanDvorak because to be productive I need a keyboard and mouse
 
!!s/ts//
 
@SterlingArcher bleh I can't stand table (source)
 
dammit
 
9:16 PM
I have 2 tablets that are just used to watch movies
 
You can have a dock
 
that's 2 regexes fucked up today
 
@JanDvorak yeah maybe if I were more mobile idk, but rather than a dock id just get a laptop
tablets seem to be in a decline anyway last I checked
 
u, i, and o should NOT be next to each other
 
with that said the hybrids like @BartekBanachewicz is talking about seem like a neat approach
 
9:23 PM
Any AngularJS gurus here?
 
Meh, that thinkpad yoga is really weak
 
need an advice
 
!!welcome martyn
 
@martyn Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@Sterling got what you wanted?
 
9:24 PM
I'd like 1 advice please
 
@FlorianMargaine yup, found the exact code I wanted. Unfortunately what my boss wants simply isn't possible and now I have to know 100% what I'm saying when I tell him
 
hi Jan
 
So I'm reading the code and typing down my reasonings
lol
 
hastebin.com/evehuzegiz.lua - is this a good way to implement a validation service?
 
Lol good luck
 
9:26 PM
addNewOfficer.js calls ValidationService delegator. ValidationService calls a method from one of many validation services
 
And btw, it's always possible.
 
Well yes, but this would take a long time to rebuild. The page simply isn't the same as the old version
fuck fuck fuck fuck
!!riot
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
!!put..it..back...ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ
 
┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
 
9:31 PM
!!help put
 
@JanDvorak Command put does not exist. Did you mean: wut
 
!!help put..it..back...ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ
 
@JanDvorak put..it..back...ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ: User-taught command: <>┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
 
@copy weak as in what?
 
what are you using for autocompletion, @rlemon?
 
9:32 PM
For real
 
Chat snippets.. A user script I wrote.
 
You can't just have that waiting to be copy and pasted all the time xD
 
@rlemon have you published it?
 
@BartekBanachewicz No CPU, no RAM. Can't replace a laptop for work
 
@copy how much RAM (and CPU) do you need?
 
9:33 PM
Yes but it isn't in the web store. I'm going to work on bundling my chat tools.
 
BTW it's gonna be my main work laptop
 
@rlemon sounds great. ETA?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, 4 is okay I guess. But that means no VMs
 
@copy I have 8. And i7-4500U
 
@copy hah, weak. I had an i3 with 2gb RAM. It supported Windows like a big man, and had a linux VM running in it.
 
9:34 PM
Oh, I must have been looking in the wrong place
 
The script I emailed you I'm adding a GUI tonight. Then cleaning up the other scripts then gonna offer a few on the web store. One sec I'll link you the raw user script.
 
@copy I have nearly top specs
 
my macbook air has 2gb ram, i5 and a 64gb ssd. It's super fast and even remote desktops perfectly
boots in like.. 8 seconds
 
I like GUIs, @rlemon
 
64GB is unrealistic for a laptop imho
I got 256 with this one, 512 was a tad too expensive
 
9:36 PM
not when you only use it for basic text documents and internet
 
but then again Yoga is really more like MBP than Air
 
i dont clutter it with documents, so it stays pretty fast
 
this one has a GUI, but it was hacked together quickly.
 
Honestly, besides gaming, I don't use up that much RAM. With 8gb, I watched a movie, played an MMO, and compiled something in the background.
 
9:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz that must've been an SSHD, then
 
@JanDvorak no?
 
How do you use up even 4 GB?
 
@Zirak These days Firefox already takes 1.5 gb
 
@BartekBanachewicz it must've been really expensive, then
 
@Zirak I also think 8 is pretty OK
@JanDvorak This one with a dock was about €1500 here
 
9:37 PM
8 is okay, 16 is better.
@Zirak one word: windows
 
^ windows. open them.
 
@BartekBanachewicz not the price tag of my liking, sorry
 
Even on Windows. Did all of the above, didn't even begin scraping the 6gb
 
I wouldn't mind 16, but I won't mind 8 in 12.5" laptop either
 
yea in a laptop 8 seems fine
 
9:38 PM
@JanDvorak macbooks are twice as expensive :P
 
I have 8 on my work laptop
 
in a desktop, for the nominal cost, I'd go 16
 
I had 4 in my work laptop at intel and it was really too little
 
!!s/nom/nomnomnom/
 
@SterlingArcher in a desktop, for the nomnomnominal cost, I'd go 16 (source)
 
9:39 PM
!!s/nom/nomnomnom/g
 
@JanDvorak @SterlingArcher in a desktop, for the nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnominal cost, I'd go 16 (source) (source)
 
also, VMs
think about the VMs
more ram === smoother and more VMs
 
Yeah, Windows XP barely runs at 1 gb
 
@JanDvorak that might be the hungriest sentence i've ever read!
 
9:39 PM
Thats a video being processed in real time in javascript btw.
 
@rlemon yeah
 
TypeError: WebInspector._currentFocusElement.focus is not a function
> WebInspector._currentFocusElement.focus
function focus()
Seriously, firefox?
IE has that error. IE I get. But you?
 
timing?
scoping?
 
currentFocusElement is, surprise, an element. All elements have should have a focus function
> WebInspector._currentFocusElement.focus === document.body.focus
true
 
Second Protip: inline event handling is bad practice. You should use an external event listener (see addEventListener) — Sterling Archer 2 mins ago
PROTIPS FOR EVERYBODY!
 
9:45 PM
meh, I'll figure it out tomorrow
 
Anyone ever experienced Safari throwing a 404 when a url is requested via AJAX, but not when you just go to the link?
 
"Anyone ever experienced Safari ..." -- no.jpg
 
Check with Wireshark what's going on
 
Oh yeah, I always forget that's a thing.
 
I had a strange one today. co-workers pc. couldn't get to purolator.com on any browser - I even installed FF and tried. but I could ping it, and every other computer in the office could access it. I cleared the dns, caches, rebooted, etc.
she just can't access that page for whatever reason.
strange.
 
9:48 PM
404? DNS? What error did you get?
 
@phenomnomnominal maybe it is blocking requests from X-REQUESTED-WITH header
@Zirak spun out, timeout error
 
It looks like it's getting cancelled from the clientside.
 
I didn't give it a whole hell of a lot of effort (yet) as we just moved to a new PC and put the order in
 
@phenomnomnominal sometimes safari just goes crazy
did you tried "restarting" it ?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar that's not particularly helpful :P It's costing us a million ad impressions a day.
 
9:50 PM
Safari? The Dane Cook of internet browsers?
Bumper!
 
@phenomnomnominal oh i thought dev, environment
maybe adblock ?
 
ios safari as well
 
gimme the link :D let me have a shot
 
safari allows you to block jquery.ajax with ad blocker
@AbhishekHingnikar might be onto something
(FYI)
 
@rlemon on every single safari device?
 
9:52 PM
100% failure? nvm then
 
@rlemon iirc my boss when developing on iOS showed a way to intercept any requests.
@phenomnomnominal that's the exact url ?
 
!!afk located the clitorus
 
@phenomnomnominal any proxies going on?
 
yeah enjoy that one >=(
 
9:53 PM
there's multiple urls, that's one of them
@rlemon it's a weird ad server, so maybe
 
and are you using a VPN to facilitate them?
> I have figured out that it's our new Cisco Java-based VPN client that's to blame. We used to use Cisco's stand-alone application VPN client (version 4.9.01), which worked fine. Now we have a Java-based version of the VPN client (Cisco AnyConnect VPN Client). It makes the Mac ignore the system-wide HTTP proxy setting.
 
Guys.. Which language is better for SaaS applications? Ruby, NodeJS or PHP?
 
I'm just randomly regurgitating stuff I find on google for you
@rodvaN the one you know best.
 
@rodvaN ruby and node.js ar both good
 
X-AspNetMvc-Version:3.0, just kidding.. maybe apple wants to play dirty.
 
9:55 PM
@phenomnomnominal and i'm assuming jQuery.ajax?
 
@rlemon I can't even touch the ad server
@rlemon yeah jquery
 
@rlemon I am better at PHP. I need to learn Node.JS really soon.
 
well if you want to learn node, do it in node
 
@rodvaN php is bad
 
would be a good excuse to learn it
 
9:55 PM
In that case ruby
 
I'd go with Python for the backend unless it needs to be very realtime-ish (websockets etc) - nodejs in that case.
 
@phenomnomnominal what version of jQuery?
c#.net, all the way
 
Why everybody keeps saying PHP is bad. So far Ive had very good experiences with it.
 
Maybe you should try Haskell
@rodvaN really?
have you never needed websockets?
 
9:57 PM
@rodvaN how many languages do you know (and which ones)
 
@JanDvorak well, on the server resources. I get your point.
 
I used to like PHP. Then I discovered Python. Now I rant about PHP all the time ;)
 
@rodvaN well, PHP is essentially C
 
@ThiefMaster I felt the same way about PHP then I learned C#
 
@JanDvorak C ?
 
9:58 PM
ugly and not quite all there?
 
Why JavaScript does not have a .peek() function for Arrays? :/
 
@martynas what would it do?
 
cause we javascripters don't like to peek a boo
 
what would .peek() do on an array? that sounds like a method which makes only sense on queues/iterators
 
I'm just wondering
well
 
9:58 PM
do you want the last element?
 
@martynas just write it yourself?
 
that would be useful
 
function Peek1(a) {
       if (a.length>0) return a[a.length-1];
    }
 
Jan: peek is top stack
 
yeah, negative subscripts would be awesome...
 
9:59 PM
without popping
 
or slices
 
!!> [1,2,3].slice(-1)
 
@rlemon [3]
 
ugh
slices are fine! :P
 
@rlemon still ugly ;-)
 
10:00 PM
only that they return an array
 
A[0] is such an ugly way to get the first element :D
 
@martynas wat?
only if you're used to Ruby
's .first
 
well
 
@JanDvorak What do you think about this? socketo.me
 
JS has a .pop() function
 
10:01 PM
bro you can do that in js too
 
why not add a .peek() function? :)
 
@rodvaN instantiating a server in PHP? That doesn't feel like PHP at all :-)
 
the only reason i see for that is that .pop() modifies the array itself
:/
 
@martynas so just push it back on after?
 
@phenomnomnominal ew
 
10:09 PM
haha that's a good approach :D
 
// I wouldn't advice doing so but whatever makes you happy
Array.prototype.__defineSetter__("last", function(v){ this[this.length - 1] = v; });
Array.prototype.__defineGetter__("last", function(){ return this[this.length - 1]; });
var arr = [4,2,1];
console.log(arr.last);
arr.last = 5;
console.log(arr.last);
 
i'm talking from a language design perspective
it's not a question on how to do it
 
\o/
do you know javascript was supposed to be lightweight, with a small core ?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar next challenge: implement range indexing in Javascript
 
10:11 PM
[1,2,3,4][1..-1] => [2,3]
a=[1,2,3,4]; a[1..-1]=[4,5,6]; a => [1,4,5,6,4]
 
@JanDvorak you can do that in v8 if you want.
me am busy with my seriouslyjs.org editor
 
@AbhishekHingnikar I said "in javascript". If I can't use it on websites, I'm not interested.
 
@JanDvorak you can re-distribute it with pNaCL ... if that gets accepted that is :D
 
no manual installations, please
 
@JanDvorak haha, comon ! plugins for everyone !
7fd9b9ee.ngrok.com @JanDvorak give it a shot.
take a source
and then you can apply effect
atm only source works. though
 
10:18 PM
 
chuck that.
 
I only get squares
 
I don't know what to do
 
user986408
err .. after transitioning something with css3 what property does exactly change? left or marginLeft or something else?
 
user986408
i kind of need to query the new position
 
@skripted whichever you choose to transition
 
Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) 7fd9b9ee.ngrok.com/fonts/fontawesome-webfont.woff?v=4.1.0
Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) 7fd9b9ee.ngrok.com/fonts/fontawesome-webfont.ttf?v=4.1.0
Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) 7fd9b9ee.ngrok.com/fonts/…
 
fail
 
user986408
10:21 PM
@JanDvorak ok i've no clue, i used visionmedia.github.io/move.js ..
 
yeah its quite - unusable atm. only source works..
 
user986408
need to look it up
 
you have to create a source first :P from the "sources"
then you can assign it too other effects
7fd9b9ee.ngrok.com/videos/really.webm <- try video source + this
and assign it to gaussian blur or tv-glitch :D
 
how do you delete or move a node?
 
that script for some reason didn't got minified :-/
 
10:23 PM
 
user986408
@JanDvorak is it possible that neighter left nor margin-left get affected? .. it's like always 0px
 
@rlemon idk wats wrong wit it. lets dbug
 
user986408
i used move().translate()
 
@skripted don't rule that out just yet
 
user986408
it seems i have to reverse calculate it with WebKitCSSMatrix .. wtf
 
10:33 PM
!!make own styles or piggy back of SO
 
@rlemon piggy back of SO
 
!!feeds ticker or error dropdown thingy
 
@rlemon feeds ticker
 
@rlemon HAPPY NOW?!?
 
@AbhishekHingnikar woah that is really nice
reminds me alot of filter forge
 
10:45 PM
@SomeKittensUx2666 much so
you want hotkey? full collapse is annoying, full overlay is also annoying
 
@Loktar that is exactly what am trying to build, but yeah am an idiot :P so will take some time
 
like, any overlay is annoying. a button to bring it up is nice, but a hotkey would be better
or take up room in the sidebar
 
bonus is you can use a "canvas" element as source and program animations in processing.js / vanilla.js
 
I'm lost for the gui, any input is much appreciated
 
oh it works with webrtc input.
 
10:47 PM
Hotkey is fine
 
and sidebar or overlay?
in the sidebar it could be live
no issues
 
@rlemon What are you working on?
 
but it takes up room you would otherwise have for stars and rooms and shit
 
/me has to zoom
I have tons of space
 
10:58 PM
@Loktar that looks cool
 
yeah its a pretty nice program
pricey though depending on the time of year (they have sales frequently)
 
11:17 PM
@Loktar are u suggesting a UI Like that o_O ?
 
no, was just commenting on the similarity
 
oh :->, i just looked it deeply
realized its way much better then mine ^^, composability wise
 
eh it can be really confusing too though
 
mine has a properties pane on right all what you want comes from there
 

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