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6:00 PM
@RyanKinal You should just tell them they're wrong, like we do in the gaming world.
:P
 
hehe
 
Also, when I encounter situations like that, I prefer to ask and see if they've considered doing it that way. It's a slightly different wording, but it gives them the opportunity to either give you their findings, or to consider it as a recommendation.
If it's clear they haven't tried it beforehand, then I use the method you mentioned.
 
-- Him: I'm implementing this thing that we want to be used across all projects. How do you think I should implement the `Save()` method?
-- Me: Well, we're moving in the direction of a Repository Pattern, so that's probably a good way to do it. [explain repository pattern] Also, since we want to use it across all projects, why not implement it as its own project, and set a reference?
 
Usually, a question is more harmless than a recommendation, unless they are asking for a recommendation.
 
Yeah. I try to do it that way.
 
6:02 PM
@RyanKinal That sounds perfectly fine to me.
 
oh, derp... I left an if-block in there from when I was incorporating other options
 
But I feel like I just stomped on all his dreams for some reason :-P
 
bleh
 
@RyanKinal Well, if there's a bad reaction to that, then it may be because there's something he knows that makes that more troublesome than it is worth.
but what I think is more likely is that he was hoping to use one pattern, and get a simple response, but you gave him an explanation of something more complicated than what he was hoping for.
 
It's more troublesome than we're used to around here, for sure. But we're also trying to move to a more structured/maintainable code base.
 
6:05 PM
Then the benefits should speak for themselves, and any grudge he may have against it should be cleared up in the future when he gets used to it.
 
That's what I'm thinking
Of course, I also sometimes feel like this:
 
Are you this person's manager?
 
Nope. He's technically higher up the food chain than me.
Which is another reason I feel a bit guilty.
 
@tenhouse old reply, but that is completely dumb way to do it.
 
Well, then I'd say tread lightly, since there's a bit of a role conflict at work here.
 
6:09 PM
I try. I really do. But I think I'm the only web dev here who's taken a Computer Science class.
 
@rlemon... give us 40 mins or so with the layout, forgot i actually got work work to do... im sad i know
 
You might have come across as lecturing a higher-up, which can be a bit scary. Are you the one who is pushing for a refactoring, or is there someone above the other person's head who is?
 
@KirstyHarris lol
 
@RyanKinal Just don't use your education as a stick. Make it in the form of a suggestion, and let him know it's his decision.
 
Yep.
 
6:10 PM
Or make it "Well, what I would do is..."
 
i really shouldnt come home with work... or agree to do a freaking HTML newsletter for my team... DOH
 
As for me or someone higher up... it kind of originated with me, but it's been vetted and approved as something worth doing.
 
@RyanKinal That can be a great honor, but a risky thing as well. I did that successfully back in my very first job as an avionics software developer, and I spearheaded the design of a parser component which I was able to make and test properly on the first try, luckily enough.
 
I'm kinda proud of myself.
has anyone moused over Abhishek yet?
 
6:12 PM
@ShotgunNinja Nice
 
It gained me a lot of trust from my employer, actually, since I proved that I knew what I was doing. I had to be careful not to step on any toes, though, and to give a thorough explanation of why the benefits existed.
 
I lost The Game.
: /
 
@rlemon ?
 
@RyanKinal I took some computer science classes.... in Highschool. However from what I've seen in here (main site mostly) my HS comp sci course was better than most university degrees in the same subject. :/
 
@RyanKinal Move your mouse over him
 
6:14 PM
@rlemon lol
 
@RyanKinal I'm taking one now
 
@RyanKinal I graduated College with a CS degree.
 
@rlemon I'm a 4th-year software engineering student...
 
ahhh that will always confuse me. In Canada Colleges hand out Diplomas and Universities Degrees.
 
I didn't graduate, so I can't throw my weight around too much, lol :-P
 
6:15 PM
and I'm gonna graduate into a job making $60k, with health/medical/dental and 401k contribs, lol
 
Nice
 
I've got all that ^_^ @ShotgunNinja
I love my job, it is awesome :-D
 
^ ha! That is a loaded promise they all tell you - if you get it good for you. however until you sign the contract don't put all of your eggs in that basket.
 
Clarification: By "here", I meant at my workplace.
 
Well I do not have dental.... yet
 
6:16 PM
@Neal Good to hear. I'm kinda not too thrilled about the job, since it's web dev, and I wanted to go into game dev, but I'm okay with doing easy stuff for awesome pay.
I can do the fun, challenging stuff on my own time.
 
ha
 
I didn't graduate and I make $45k (under paid but I chose this job vs more pay with less job satisfaction) + full benefits + perks out the ass + free to choose my own projects (biggest win is this)
however I was offered more positions: school is not as important as experience and being able to prove you know your shit
 
@rlemon Sounds pretty much exactly the same as my situation.
 
@rlemon Oh man.
 
@rlemon... im not getting too bad am i hahha!
 
6:18 PM
I need the $60k to pay off my student loans, though... T~T
 
however for the same position; with school (in Canada) you stand to make ~10% more salary
 
@rlemon +1
 
@ShotgunNinja oy... thats why I went to a CUNY. much cheaper :-P (it is a NYC school)
 
end of the day i aint a coder,... i wished i could earn that cash... i just get fucking laughed at for projects, my mate gets alsorts and she uses premade bloody templates!
i must be underselling myself somewhere, either that or i need a damn site more training
 
@KirstyHarris I know a guy who charges ridiculous amounts to basically tweak Wordpress templates.
 
6:19 PM
@Neal I've heard of CUNY, they seem like a cool school.
 
I mean, don't get me wrong, he's good at it. But still.
 
@KirstyHarris partner up, if you do a startup and cut a few cheques (after the fact) to some people here I'm sure we could get some freelance work done
 
@ShotgunNinja it is a whole system of schools. I went to Queens College.
 
70/30 split kinda deal
 
@RyanKinal Specialization can be lucrative. :P
 
6:19 PM
happy with that!
 
@Neal Oh, right.
 
i will email you
 
@KirstyHarris seriously... most of us in here can't do the 'design' but given a template can code the fuck out of it.
 
Huh. It seems my company's site just doesn't work in IE 10. Crap.
:opens a new issue:
 
haha at leadt ur site isnt flash. my wife's companys site is all flash!
 
now most of us have full time jobs, but heck, I could always use a few extra $$ doing some freelance work (just so long as I don't have to design anything!)
 
@ShotgunNinja wow... expensive.
 
well @rlemon i think we maybe speaking the same language here
 
@Neal That's a trimester, too, btw.
~$33k a year.
 
@ShotgunNinja my sister goes here, now that is a shot in the back...
 
6:22 PM
my problem is i know what i wanna do,.. i just stuck on some stuff how to do it.. and i will get round to learning it, its some of the real hardcode stuff that stuffs my head
 
findoutmore.uwaterloo.ca/programs/ComputerScience#fees UW comp sci first year 2 terms is 10K
5K a term
books are like 600-800
first year. price gains as you gain.
 
Books are usually about the same per major wherever you go.
 
Text-Books. pfft...
 
i suddenly hate tabled html templates... pfft
 
end it all out for like 55-75K for your 4-5 year not including housing.
 
6:23 PM
@KirstyHarris Suddenly?
 
^
 
@KirstyHarris tables are NOT FOR FUCKING LAYOUTS
 
@KirstyHarris Congratulations, you've made it as a web designer
 
once 2013 hit, I was like eff tables :P
 
Tables are for tabular data! And StackExchange comments... :(
 
6:23 PM
@rlemon..... its for an email template
 
\o/ Hooray for @KirstyHarris! \o/
 
ha!
bows
 
Oh... yeah... email is still in the dark ages
 
don't use tables.
 
Oh, yes... email. uggh...
 
6:24 PM
its unfortunate people still use email
 
i thought thats all i could use on email templates without it fooking up
 
@KirstyHarris Probably.
 
I am being sarcastic and mean, but really it's only because I've decided that the room must help you over the next 2 months become an more awesome web designer.
 
we need more designers who care to learn how to do things right.
awww.
removed.
 
6:25 PM
*right-click, inspect element, delete node*
 
and im willing to learn @rlemon u know that
 
no, mod = doesn't know Kirsty and my humor.
iz all good.
 
Not all humor has to be dirty
Just sayin'
 
no it makes it amusing thou
 
it wasn't dirty. we all have boobs.
 
6:26 PM
i just happen to possess giant ones
 
if I had put stapled your lip to the ceiling fan ... ?
 
some of us just choose not to photoshop our faces on large ones for avatars and attention
3
just sayin.
 
or ears.
 
staple her cat to the ceiling fan
 
^ that is just mean!
 
6:27 PM
lol
 
WTF! @Loktar u dont think thats me!
 
regardless if it is, I think its a shameless attempt for attention
 
rlemon: Cool with stapling lips and ears (and other bits), but not so much cats.
 
but it does look shopped
 
well im sorry that u think that way...
 
6:27 PM
I wasn't referring to boobs
 
i will change my picture then, just to make your sorry tush happy mate, end of the day i dont want fucking attention... im a lesbian ffs
 
Whoa, our room is being raided
 
attention knows no sexual bounds.
 
I notice when the topic of conversation turns sexual or anything riskee that the room gets flooded with people from other rooms.
 
6:29 PM
and cats begin to fly!
 
Speaking of email, I have design something for a corporate 5k. God, I hate email.
 
i come in here because all the guys in here know me, they like me, they like my personality, they like my spunk and funness, it just so happened that this picture flowed through from facebook and i got heaped attention, most from guys who cant get shags
 
I have to imagine someone in another popular room is all "Yo checkout the crap in the JS room"
 
@rlemon Flags
 
6:29 PM
Escalation: It's what we do.
 
@KirstyHarris no need to get super defensive, just pointing it out
 
@KirstyHarris Sorry, Kirsty.
 
you said i was attention grabbing!
 
I stand by that statement.
 
you are! but so am i!
 
6:30 PM
grabbing something at any rate...
 
LOOK AT ME!!!! I AM AWESOME!!!
 
if you aren't thats fine..
 
you said i had pretty much photoshopped my face on a decent rack!
 
@rlemon Flagged messages are visible to all users with enough reputation. That's likely what brought them here in the first place.
 
You guys realize I'm still here, right?
 
6:30 PM
just calling it how i see it
 
@KirstyHarris He was kidding about that
 
@BoltClock yea but we don't care regardless. This is who we are. Join us or sit in the corner ;)
 
clearly not @AmaanCheval
 
hey all
 
Hey @Andrew
 
6:31 PM
for the record @loktar that is me, i will happily swap to a PG picture just so that i can gain my own fucking merit!
 
lol... @rlemon tells @BoltClock to sit in the corner..
 
is there a specific plugin that I have to use if I want to use autocomplete in jquery mobile?
 
@badp yea.. I like to believe my version of the story. Makes me feel all warm inside and not like everyone on this site is a flag happy wuss who cannot take a swear word or a body part ;)
 
/me sits back and watches
 
@KirstyHarris He is kidding!
 
6:31 PM
it aint coming across as that
 
@AmaanCheval meh Im not actually kidding, but regardless its the internet :P
 
@Loktar You really think she shopped it?
 
@BoltClock's been sitting in a corner ever since he was elevated to mod. Plotting...
 
told u he werent
 
I know you think she's seeking attention
 
6:32 PM
there are very few females in the dev community. Maybe im jaded by ones who use sexuality for attention idk.
 
im a good judge of character
 
All of you, calm your tits.
 
lol
geez..
 
@Loktar well. he is lurking. corner or tree outside the window of the third floor bedroom. corner sounded better.
 
Jesus christ, this is supposed to be a professional help website.
You are all acting like children. Grow up.
 
6:33 PM
@ShotgunNinja This is the chatroom :D
 
@ShotgunNinja No, this is chat, where apparently nailing body parts and animals to ceiling fans is fair game
 
@ShotgunNinja I thought we were joking and having fun. like... you know... adults sometimes can do.
 
Seriously, the shit that goes on here is rarely on topic, I think
 
Sorry, stapling, not nailing. Same difference
 
"professional help website" :p
 
6:33 PM
So.. can a normal jquery work fine on jquery mobile??
 
it is until someone calls me fake and photoshopped and grabbing guys attention. As i said im gay... and your moms probably fitter
 
that got my attention
 
@Andrew jQuery Mobile needs jQuery. That's why it's called jQuery Mobile
 
Righto
 
Well, someone got offended, and everyone just seems to be feeding the fire. I don't care whose fault it was, just drop it.
 
6:33 PM
@BoltClock
 
@AmaanCheval We have some interesting on-topic (or close to on-topic) chats, I'd say.
 
Examples like this would work ok then? stackoverflow.com/questions/5020940/… @BoltClock
 
@RyanKinal Every now and then, yeah
 
@ShotgunNinja sorry you arent very comfortable here. Lets change how we all act for a new user to the chat :P
 
And most of us are regulars. Which means that we've exhausted most of the interesting stuff we have to talk about in regards to JavaScript.
 
6:35 PM
^
 
Yeah, that's pretty much the point
 
@Loktar: you mean the insulting thing ?
 
Come on guys.. we have way too much power to girls! ;)
 
heck not even just JS, all front end stuff in general
 
6:35 PM
@Andrew Well, you still have to test it I'm sure. I can't make any guarantees. It also depends on other factors like library version, etc
 
Oh, sweet. A promotion.
 
If anyone is offended... calm down killer. We're joking around and there is like 5 different conversations flying around right now. Sorry for the inconvenience... No one is forcing you to stay here. Also Reddit has pictures of kittehs to cheer you up!
4
 
ouch flagged.
 
@BoltClock I see.. I thought someone else would've run into a similar issue or concern
 
I hate bold messages
 
6:36 PM
@jAndy Yeah, they're too strong.
 
@jAndy better than inline code messages
 
these guys
 
I think the conversation @ShotgunNinja and I were having earlier was good, and appropriate for the room, even if not directly related to JS/Front-End
 
Bold + Italics FTW!!!!
 
lol welcome to sof
 
6:37 PM
-1
Q: HOW DO I DO AN 'OR' FUNCTION IN CASE JAVASCRIPT?

Rolf case 'att': window.location.replace('/att-Forms.htm'); break; case 'at&t': window.location.replace('/att-Forms.htm'); break; IS THERE A WAY TO SHORTEN THIS WITH SOME KIND OF "...

Why is he screaming? :(
 
bold messages are like.. dark matter.. so so much gravity, gaining all the attention, too much.. it is too much.. the <center> cannot....
 
he needs to know NOW
 
@jAndy lol
 
you get a room of 20+ opinionated programmers and we're gonna argue. We're all adults and don't need to turn it into a episode of Saved by the bell. I have an idea, lets all go to the main site and find a stupid JS related question the room can downvote and laugh at. then we can all feel superior by pointing at the stupid people.
2
 
hahaha
 
6:38 PM
 
@rlemon So... just another Tuesday, then.
 
pretty much yea
 
@rlemon lol
 
@BoltClock Thank you. Was just in the middle of editing it
 
capslock... uggh
 
6:39 PM
@AmaanCheval Clearly, he feels that it is necessary to shout to get everyone's attention.
 
ah people havent been here when we've talked politics it seems @rlemon
 
ha ha @rlemon i think down voting gives you bit of satisfaction doesnt it? ;)
 
I also hate shouty keywords in sql
 
@rlemon: you just realized the principle of peace.. create a common enemy
2
 
omg Loktar and I (Murican vs Canuk) get into it pretty bad. but we're bro's and we love eachother . its just a debate.
 
6:39 PM
@BoltClock What, no title-case in the question title?
 
haha yeah
cracks me up
 
@jAndy Like pollution, with Captain Planet?
 
lol someone already
downvoted it haha
 
TODAY WE HATE JAVA
 
@Andrew I get more satisfaction out of close voting.
 
6:40 PM
please stop shouting – Diodeus 2 mins ago
 
@jAndy ... today... right...
 
I don't downvote unless the Q or A is REALLY bad.
 
ha
 
Java is bad.
 
@RyanKinal There is no String.toTitleCase() and I'm lazy to write one, sorry
 
6:40 PM
I'm stuck using it for work.
 
is it possible to have a page where on that page only the arrows keys move the page down a certain amount of space depending on how far it is from the top
 
@BoltClock Hahahaha
 
@BoltClock Fair
 
i am outta here
 
@benlevywebdesign Maybe... but I wouldn't bother. Modifying default UI/UX is a bad idea.
I get annoyed when my arrow keys don't work the way the browser wants them to.
 
6:42 PM
http://pastebin.com/ApnLnzXV
why doesnot this print deals closed
 
@RyanKinal even if it would enhance the user experience
 
Pretty sure it won't...
 
Unless it's like a game or interactive story or something
 
why why?
 
@benlevywebdesign Well, I'm all for exploration. If you can actually make it better, then go for it. But @BoltClock has the right of it.
 
6:43 PM
String.prototype.toTitleCase = function() {
  var words = this.split(' '),
  safe = ["a, of, the, etc"];
  return words.map(function(word) {
    if( safe.indexOf(word) === -1 ) return word.charAt(0).toUpperCase() + word.substr(1).toLowerCase();
    return word;
  });
};
^ untested for @BoltClock
 
@blackbee Can we get a live demo instead of a paste? Maybe at jsFiddle?
 
ok
 
@rlemon You have a double return
 
@rlemon Please patch that into every single JS implementation out there
 
@rlemon I like your array of a single string. Nice touch.
 
6:44 PM
return return word.charAt...
 
ahh fuck, didn't close the map.
indentation is now all screwed.
 
\o/
 
> SyntaxError: Unexpected token return
 
and double return.
THIS IS WHAT I GET FOR TYPING CODE IN THE CHAT INPUT ONLY
 
You forgot to join it back as well
Returns an array
 
6:45 PM
:(
nvm.... apparently I suck
 
@RyanKinal I was thinking that I wanted a way to put the "page" center so that the user doesn't have to scroll to the next "page" on my work pages like this one
 
@rlemon See why browser developers work so hard when it comes to implementing JS?
 
String.prototype.toTitleCase = function() {
  var words = this.split(' '),
  safe = ["a", "of", "the", "etc"];
  return words.map(function(word) {
    if( safe.indexOf(word) === -1 ) return word.charAt(0).toUpperCase() + word.substr(1).toLowerCase();
    return word;
  }).join(' ');
};
 
I am open to other suggestions like on screen arrows or something that doesn't change the browser controls
 
@benlevywebdesign 404?
 
6:47 PM
@BoltClock no, I'm fully competent with JS... my attention to details and nerd-rage like typing while trying to quickly produce a joke just made me fail big time
 
nvm
 
@RyanKinal Enter it in the URL bar
I don't know how, but SO does it
 
@RyanKinal no it shouldn't be
 
Yeah, second click worked. First didn't.
 
Actually, in this situation, using the left/right arrow keys to switch pages might be okay.
 
idk how to run this....
http://jsfiddle.net/be6aR/1/
its running in my pc....
 
brb
 
ok
well anybody can chime in on a little on-screen navigation/jump idea
 
@benlevywebdesign Left / right would be better
 
6:51 PM
@AmaanCheval having my page scroll left to right?
 
No, using the left / right arrow keys
 
even though my the page would be going down or up, use left / right arrows
 
step 1) get a cause that appears to be helping kids... all the while you're really creating a marketable product with teachers and educators in mind
step 2) make people believe you're doing this for the kids and not your personal bank account
step 3) get a cute brunette to hold up a bunch of pictures and make a funny face or two.
step 4) reddit
step 5) ????? <- 9gag copy?
step 6) profit!
 
@rlemon Pretty much the same thing I thought
 
@rlemon I thought that as well.. although she was a bit old :P
 
6:53 PM
She's oddly good at making apt expressions. Has to be a hired actor :p
 
did the kickstarter succeed?
I looked earlier and it still had a ways to go
 
"where in the world is carmen san diego" didn't give two shits about the kids... unless the kids stopped watching / buying their swag.
 
also swag used to mean something different than it does today.
I hate that
 
wow wtf.. I swear it was at like 20k earlier
thats insane
Where in the world is Carmen San Diego kicked so much ass
The kids classics of today will be games like Minecraft
 
6:54 PM
@Loktar Agreed.
 
yes, but as soon as our generation grew up and Dora the explorer took her place then they stopped making them
and what the fuck is she on about there is no kids learning games.
 
@AmaanCheval Saw it on Reddit just now
 
I don't even know what you guys are talking about
 
Dora, Bob the builder, et al?
 
@BoltClock That's where I saw it too :p
 
6:55 PM
yea, there is actually an overload of games
 
Those aren't learning tools, they're pedantic and cater to the lowest common denominator.
 
so what gives? this is looking more and more like an easy payday
 
@AmaanCheval That explains the spike in amount backed
 
@ShotgunNinja yeah in many cases, but there are some good places like pbskids.org
 
Yeah, considering it's second on the front page
 
6:55 PM
I just think theres so many now, that the gems are hidden
 
@ShotgunNinja they are no less educational than the tools from our days. we're just older now and can appreciate their idiocy
 
yeah lol like Oregon trail?
fantastic game, but what did it teach?
 
Aside from Magic Schoolbus all of the 'educational' shows from the late 80's and early 90's were no less stupid than the spew they feed kids today.
 
@Loktar I suppose... I still disagree with the whole "kids blob" look of modern cartoons. I watched Bugs Bunny growing up, at least the parts other than the main characters looked realistic.
 
oh yeah kids cartoons suck now imo
 
6:57 PM
@rlemon Magic School Bus was awesome.
 
most of them are about misbehaved brats, my kids can't watch many of them
 
still is. even at 26 I can watch it
 
I know it's not a cartoon, but I used to watch the first few seasons of Hi-5
 
Does anyone remember Little Bear?
 
knock knock
 
6:57 PM
js architecture concept, does this sound stupid?

dir structure:

/js
  /base.js
  /core
     /file.js
     /file.js
     /file.js
  /app
    /file.js
    /file.js
    /file.js
  /thing
    /place
      /file.js
      /file.js
    /file.js
    /file.js

The in the page you include the /js/base.js and in each page you <script>BaseInclude('core');</script> or <script>BaseInclude('thing.place')</script> and it automatically incorporates all the files in that directory, concatenates, and optionally minifies them. Served up as a RESTful style controller, so to speak.
 
Did anyone watch Recess?
 
@ShotgunNinja LOL YES
@blackbee Who's there?
 
you want to learn? Just watch Transformers and He-Man thats all you need in life!
/me returns to work
 
@BoltClock That show was awesome. It was decently-paced, well-written, and had good artwork and underlying concepts.
 
6:59 PM
@ShotgunNinja I saw a few episodes. It was nice. Didn't really watch it all though
 
fakk what was that show. it was like power rangers meets reboot.
 
@jcolebrand Sounds good
I don't know if there are any existing frameworks that do that
 
they were real people then went into a digital animation world where they controled cool robots
 
Look into RequireJS, I think
 
@BoltClock Oh gosh, I was very young when that came out.
 
6:59 PM
@Loktar Hercules was also a must
 
Haven't looked into it, but I think it's similar
 

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