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01:53
can anyone remember when SO elections were a bloodbath?
action packed fun for a whole 2 weeks?
only 6 candidates this time
@raghav kissed the sun twice, and it was so unfair to us back then
we had no android mods, and he was supposed to save us
anyone remember when that guy with 100k rep just deleted his account because nobody wanted him to be mod
I miss those times
 
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06:15
4 months ago I lost my grandmother that I call her mother because it was my official mom.

I didn't drop a tear 😢 for her, cause I was too sick.

Today and just now I dropped them. A feeling of joy to be able to do so but the sadness of the lost.

The final share, I'm full of happiness that I'm not sick anymore.

Infinity Thanks to GOD and to the gifts of being a man of religion.
Folks, Anything grammatically/meaning to fix ?
06:51
@Ahmad lol
Any feedback about YC ?
07:45
@Tim is the one with that chick
@Tim xD
 
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10:24
Hii All My name is hanif shaikh and I am new to android and also this community
 
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12:01
Hi Hanif!
 
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13:27
I have one application and I am scheduling notifications using alarm manager. But my data is stored in Firebase. so if we have one user login in two devices then I am not able to create notification for both any solution to check notification is scheduled or not in the alarm manager
13:45
o/
@WarrenFaith there is many stage of BO. maybe I was already on the risky stage when I was employee.
but the source of all this shit are them anyway
but I agree my writing style need to be fixed...
hello Hanif
friend of mine did 1:1 english session with 10 euros / 1 hour
I'am waiting for him to be free and ask him for his contact
Tim
Tim
that's suspiciously cheap
totaly agree I did 1:1 session with 40 euros
for FR language
maybe I will bring some good news to this room
after pushing to many durty messages
I have a feeling that a TX will be made with a very a / m / o / u / n / t - - B / I / G
no budy can gus how math xD
millions f***ck
but I don't care
don't have the right to use for myself
as a man of relegion !
@Tim gus ?
Tim
Tim
the fuck are you talking about
speak english
Tim
Tim
what is that, a calculator?
13:56
can't in public
TX = transaction
ok ok I need to calm down fuck
the one who contacted me is like Bidden friend
I swear by GOD
hahahaha
Tim
Tim
who the fuck is bidden
Tim
Tim
?
Joe Biden
you don't know him ?
Tim are you a borken IA ?
Tim
Tim
I know him, why do you ask?
you were talking about Bidden
no clue who that is
13:59
typo bro
bear with me I need some EN 1:1
Tim
Tim
so you're too lazy to type correctly, spitting out incomprehensible garbage, and you call me broken
can you type the name of FR president ?
without googling it as you do always
cya folks I need to retrieve my 65 euros Cap xD
14:59
@Tim borken
2
Tim
Tim
15:11
trueeee my bad
15:33
this chat consistently gets nonsensical crazies
remember that Russian propaganda person?
Tim
Tim
payel
hello friends
16:02
bye friends
hahaha
16:24
sup bb?
u fine?
yoooo
im.. ok.. weekend was very rough. Broke up with gf last night.. was surprisingly less rough than the few days before
but I think I got the grieving out of my system already maybe
noo :(
well sorry to hear that
thanks man
time to get some updated photos and get back out there I guess
or maybe you should take a break
but you know better how you feel
gonna go now bb
later mate
i liked the jungle btw
16:43
yeah im def gonna take a lil break - its the best move
sounds good man enjoy your evening! and thanks :D
Hey People
I was ooo today..make me get some rest
Isn't you DC, Tim ?
@ballBreaker fu**k it
Sorry buddy. Why it happened ?
17:16
o/
@ballBreaker oh no, sorry man!
Tim
Tim
17:34
@TooCool I'm not 12, I don't have a twitter account
@CarlAnderson thanks!
How long did it last?
3.5 months-ish
but also kinda accelerated from how much we hung out at the beginning.. felt more like 5-6 months tbh
I seem to have a 3 month curse though the past half decade
for better or worse I guess
better that less time is wasted I suppose :)
how's the knee??
It's getting there, but I'm not elevating it enough during the day
about the only way for me to do that is to take the laptop into bed
and I just don't like how small the monitor is compared to my desktop monitor
harder to get stuff done
yeah that makes sense.. lack of mouse also is a huge pain I find - although I'm sure you could take that into bed with you
17:50
actually I haven't been, which also contributes...
my current mouse is hooked up behind my desk to the KVM switch
mmm true
so it's a pain to move
I have mine a similar setup now
so I feel you.. I used to have a secondary mouse for my laptop in bed but it died
how is your KVM switch?
they're so frickin expensive
it's good. Got it last year while working for Grove
they had a $300 "upgrade" stipend for people who were WFH
so I was able to expense it along with the new monitor
nicee
was the KVM that entire budget?
oh LOL nice
I think the one I got recently was like $250
canadian dollarydoos though
ahhh makes sense it's just 1 monitor
I saw a huge price jump when it went to 2
for high quality ones at least
this is the one I got: amazon.ca/gp/product/B086DMQNV2/…
its really annoying though that my work laptop is a mac because I had to get 2 different adapters to make it work with it
yeah Mac connections suck
yeah :\ it only has 2 usbC ports on it
I was running with a USB hub before the KVM switch
my monitor had two inputs so I was able to do a DVI <-> USB-C adapter to get it to work
oh nice!
yeah I was rocking a USB hub as well but my mac only supports 1 monitor per usbc hub/port
I find my switch acts a little weirdly sometimes though unfortunately
if I switch too many times back and forth
and sometimes after closing a program on my windows PC the mouse will stop working for a second or two
which is really strange..
18:16
posted on November 15, 2022 by Android Developers

Posted by Anthony Chavez, VP Product Management In February we announced the Privacy Sandbox on Android, with the goal of bringing new, more private advertising solutions to mobile. Over the course of 2022, we've published design proposals and released a number of Developer Previews. We appreciate all of the feedback we've received which has helped us refine and improve these proposals.

My main issue is that on my PC, I get a lot of noise/static from the audio line when the Mac is plugged in.
18:47
oh interesting
do you use the aux jack for that?
I use a USB headset but it def has some weird issues here and there as well
19:00
yeah it's the aux jack
Russian missile hit Poland
See y'all in ww3
Anyway, how's everyone doing?
o fuck, really?
intentionally?
No, but two dead
big yikes
WW3 would be pretty hilarious w/ russia because their only allies would be like.. Syria and North Korea
and waht the fuck would they do
so it's more just nukes going pew pew all over
seems like it'd be less effort for NATO to come together to try to overthrow the government internally somehow
Tim
Tim
19:19
Nice knowing you fellas
That complicates things a lot
I think NATO should end this war today
boots on the ground in Ukraine
Poland goes into Ukraine, NATO sets up shop on the border
Tim
Tim
19:37
That will surely end the war. Maybe not how you intended though
num of projects at hand and pending, I can easily form a huge company, I failed to trust myself
now I can either be a work horse myself or manage investments, halt production and start it now which will result in many failed deadlines
working alone was the worst mistake of my career, got overpowered by success
20:15
@Ahmad I hadn't quite graduated from uni yet
and I don't think this will be like the dot com bust
There are plenty of tech sectors that are doing fine - it's mostly FAANG and some startups and the crypto business that are in trouble
Sep 29 at 18:36, by Carl Anderson
wow, 94 days since @DaveS has been here.
Now 142 days since a @DaveS sighting
#daveWatch
#freeDaveS
@CarlAnderson I think most legitimate crypto businesses are fine
All the nonsense hype, fake utility / zero utility crypto projects are going to die off 🙌
can you tell me an example of a "legitimate crypto business"?
20:51
@CarlAnderson plus isn't it mostly just a correction from the crazy hiring of during the pandemic?
like twitter is obvious why they're laying off - facebook as well.. the other companies I imagine just overhired once people went remote combined with the market having a downturn
No, it's more than that
Interest rates are rising due to the Ukraine Conflict (energy costs) plus the pandemic still affecting China's ability to produce goods.
Rising interest rates means that big money expects more from investments in venture capital
When interest rates were nearly 0%, big investors who were looking for 14%+ returns had to throw gobs of money at startups in a wide array in order to hit that one Uber or Tiktok that would get them the return they wanted
But now you can invest money in regular businesses and get a decent return. Venture capital has dried up as a result, and the startups remaining need to have a much more proven value before they'll get funding.
On top of that, yes, FAANG over-invested in hiring because of the boom they saw during the pandemic
Crypto is in an entirely different situation - it turns out it's really hard to create a secure "Crypto Bank" because it's so easy to steal the money if you find a security flaw, and you have bad actors like South Korea constantly probing
Additionally there are a lot of bad actors leading Crypto companies (the current FTX failure has some cringeworthy actions they've taken with customer's money)
I hate to admit it, but I get a certain level of schadenfreude from people losing money on crypto
that's interesting though, thanks for the info!
21:02
I thought it was gross that when I signed up for binance back in the day I IMMEDIATELY started getting spam emails about crypto
so it was obvious that they were selling emails/data
either that or it was insecure
almost certainly the former
yeah that was my assumption, so i immediately deleted my account but too late basically
I'm just glad I didn't go the full verification steps with them - they were asking for hard core identification steps
and from what I remember - they were supposed to be one of the most legit crypto exchanges at the time
22:06
@CarlAnderson sure, UniSwap providing a decentralized exchange for people to use freely and Compound / Aave, essentially a decentralized bank offering those living in destroyed economies access to a safe and better banking system with USD stablecoins than their current offerings
PoolTogether is another really awesome project, same idea as a traditional lottery but where you keep your ticket forever and the prizes are generated from the sum of all the interest of the money from all the participants in the lottery (using protocols like Compound or Aave)
...
@MarkO'Sullivan so everyone pools their money together, earns interest off it, but you only get your payout if you win the internal lottery???
@CarlAnderson yep
That sounds absurd. Ridiculous. Or stupid.
Why not just invest that money by yourself and guarantee that you'll get a return on the investment?
because the return on the investment is a lot smaller than the prizes offered in the lottery
why not just buy lottery tickets then
22:11
because lottery tickets are a 1 time purchase and is gambling
This is essentially a savings account in a weird way, you can buy tickets and then just sell your tickets and exit if you wish
@MarkO'Sullivan how is buying a ticket in PoolTogether any different
it's a 1-time purchase and is gambling that you'll get a payout
are you somehow guaranteed a payout over time?
Traditional lottery - you buy a ticket, your ticket doesn't win. Need to buy another ticket for a chance to win.
PoolTogether - you buy a ticket, your ticket doesn't win, automatically entered into the next lottery (regardless if you win or not)
You're not guaranteed a payout otherwise it wouldn't be a lottery
right but they both have odds
thus gambling
22:16
Maybe I've misunderstood the definition of gambling
If I gamble my money, I usually place a bet and risk losing it if it doesn't happen
If I buy a traditional lottery ticket, I'm gambling on the chance I might win the big prize
In PoolTogether, that ticket can be sold back to PoolTogether - you haven't lost anything
In PoolTogether you are gambling the interest on the money you put in.
That's an opportunity cost of buying a ticket in PoolTogether
You could sit idle with your money and do zero with it
Or have it in a bank with negative interest rates
Or you could put it in an interest-bearing savings account
one of those guarantees the interest return
one of those does not
so I'm asking again, why isn't this just a colossally stupid idea?
22:21
Do you know how long it'd take you to get $30k based on the best savings interest rate with $1?
and with that same $1 in PoolTogether, how long would it take you to win $30k?
If you deposit $10 you have 1 in 2,351 chance to win a prize ranging from $0.50 to $200
I thought PoolTogether was a pool-share app damn
I haven't checked it in a while, looks like they're offering more prizes to people so lowering the overall top prize
I'm assuming the prize is in cryptocurrency as well?
22:26
So you have a daily 1 in 2,351 chance of winning at least $0.50, in the same time it'd take you a year to earn $0.50 interest from $10 at a bank which would offer you 5% interest... or 2 years if the bank offers 2.5% interest
@ballBreaker USDC stablecoin so it's essentially dollars
oh nice, that's good at least
Means you don't have to worry about crypto fluctuations day to day
At a 3% interest rate, your money doubles every 23 years. You'll need to double it 15x in order to hit 32k, so 345 years for $1 to turn into 30k.
@CarlAnderson now I feel like an asshole because I got the 30k wrong and the max you can win daily is $200 😅
@MarkO'Sullivan I did the math on mine - show the math on yours. For the average person in PoolTogether how long will it take to turn $1 into $32k
22:28
Really appreciate you doing the calculations
you can assume the chances won't change
Yup - still could wait 23 years and never win
Would have to have extremely bad luck for that to happen
is there a transaction fee to get in as well?
@ballBreaker yep, though it's offered on Polygon and other L2s so the transaction fees are a lot lower
The thing is that the best they can do is earn interest on the investment
assuming they're doing safe investments,
you're basically gambling to see if you can "win" someone elses interest
or you could put that money in an index fund for the S&P 500
which over the past 10 years has had an 11% return
22:36
True but most people don't have the luxury or enough money to only need 11% return, hence why there's so many who play the traditional lottery
On the contrary, there's been someone who had $73 who won over $11k
I think ignorance and availability also factors in as well
It's why there's so many people out there seeking that get rich quick method
They don't care about a x2 or x3 or even x5 return which is great if you're buying shares of a company
They're wanting life changing x100 amounts which is why so many fall for so many crypto tokens / nfts which are usually nonsense
yeah they don't realize that the quickest way to make a lot of money fast for cheap is to put drugs in your butt and cross borders
lol sorry
A lottery is a tax on the stupid
I do see your point though - the entry barrier is definitely steeper for more conventional investments
22:40
@CarlAnderson maybe - but it's still provided life changing sums of money for a lot of people
but at the same time - if those same people pooled that lottery ticket money into an investment portfolio/deposit they'd be much better off
@MarkO'Sullivan no, for an insignificant amount of people compared to the number who lost money on it.
@CarlAnderson well hopefully PoolTogether will replace the traditional lottery and nobody will lose
I still want you to try to calculate the numbers
You have a 0.04% chance of winning in a single draw
how often do they give out rewards? Monthly?
> At the end of the week, one lucky lottery participant wins all of the interest that got accrued by the whole pool!
> Deposit for a Daily chance to win some of the 540 prizes. There's $1,512.00 to be won and everyone has a chance to win the Grand Prize of $200.
I think you might be looking at outdated material not sure
22:52
So with 52 chances per year, you have a 2.19% chance of winning once
365 chances no?
what are the odds for the daily chance?
and the minimum is $10?
1 in 2351 to win at least $0.50 from $10
Daily
right but do you always win $200?
Which would mean it's (2350/2351)^2351 to determine the probability of not winning right?
Maybe I've got the calculations wrong
22:54
1/2351 is your chance of winning (0.0425%)
@CarlAnderson it looks like prize structure changed so it's minimum of $0.50 and max of $200
what is the average payout?
I believe they have more winners now, so less higher prizes
> $1,056.50 won across 517 prizes!
it honestly sounds like it's all over the place because the amount you win depends on how much you deposited- and the amount of prizes depends on how many people enter
The amount you win doesn't depend on how much you deposit
The probability you win does
22:57
> What are my odds to win?
Your chances to win a prize are dependent on how much you have deposited. The more money you deposit, the higher your chances to win.
Your exact chances to win dynamically change in real time based on how many others are depositing and withdrawing, and what the prize distribution is for that specific prize pool.
$1056.50 / 517 = $2.04
sorry by 'amount you win' I meant odds of winning
so let's call it $2 even
Yeah it was interesting to watch it at the start, this idea doesn't work unless you have enough participants
@CarlAnderson that's a nice website!
1 hit in 365 with probability 0.0425% says you have a 14.37% chance to win in a year
since the payout is $2, you'll need 16,000 wins in order to hit the 32k goal
23:01
That's a long time!
let's look at it this way - if you want to beat the 345 years I posted above for an interest rate
you'll need to win 16k times in 345 years
15995 times to be fair
lmao
which means you'll need to win 46 times per year
46 / 365 = 12%
You'd need a daily win rate of 12% in order to come out even
but instead you have a yearly win rate of about 14%
44 mins ago, by Carl Anderson
so I'm asking again, why isn't this just a colossally stupid idea?
and again, keep in mind that the 345 year target is an interest-bearing savings account at a low rate of 3%
It's still better than the traditional lottery
...
the traditional lottery is beyond colossally stupid
so that's not really a bar to shoot for
23:06
I didn't disagree with you though about using a index fund for smartest investment
Do you want to change your assessment that this is a "legitimate crypto business"
I didn't challenge you on the other two
because they seem to just be providing SaaS
Whether you win or not, or someone wins or not, you can't be surprised whenever a crypto project does a rug pull or have a mysterious massive pump and dump occurring to it, which somehow makes it less valuable than it was initially.
there's that too
It honestly just seems like a replicate lottery with the main difference being that you can opt to only buy into it once, but also have a worse possible payout
and to me that positive cancels out the negative - and it ends up just being a lottery
@MarkO'Sullivan you haven't lost anything.. until the South Koreans hack it somehow and drain all the funds.
if the bank you deposit your money in goes belly-up, the US Goverment insures up to $200k
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) is one of two agencies that supply deposit insurance to depositors in American depository institutions, the other being the National Credit Union Administration, which regulates and insures credit unions. The FDIC is a United States government corporation supplying deposit insurance to depositors in American commercial banks and savings banks.: 15  The FDIC was created by the 1933 Banking Act, enacted during the Great Depression to restore trust in the American banking system. More than one-third of banks failed in the years before the FDIC's creation...
23:12
@CarlAnderson I was trying to see if there was any data on how much they are making as a business but I'm unsure on the numbers I'm reading if it's legitimately revenue for the business or if that's redistributed to prize winners
well presumably they aren't writing the software for free
@CarlAnderson oh there's insurance for crypto projects too
they have to have some fees in there somewhere
yeah there's an insurance on pooltogether
23:13
I saw it in the FAQ
Are the funds in PoolTogether insured?
you have to additionally pay into it though
yeah it's that nexus mutual one mark linked
> Smart Contract Cover is not a contract of insurance. Fellow members will decide on claims. Claims payments are enforced by token driven economic incentives rather than placing trust in an insurance company.
it's basically on the same level as "pinky promise" but for crypto assets
@CarlAnderson not like a traditional bank no
23:15
And honestly this wouldn't even be a valid point, except for the numerous Crypto heists, failures, ponzi schemes, and everything else going on the past few years.
yep. Even some "too big to fail" project/corporation fell. FTX, or even Luna for recent ones.
there many older ones too, but I digress
4. Wormhole - $325m

Wormhole is a crypto bridge protocol that allows the transfer of tokens across nearly a dozen blockchains like Ethereum and Solana.

On February 2, 2022, a hacker was able to exploit the Wormhole bridge on Solana and mint wETH, then redeem it for ETH on Ethereum. In total, around $325 million worth of assets were stolen.
yep, I remember that one.
Yeah sadly there's so many hacks
so many rug pull too. way too many.
23:18
probably too on the nose lol
I don't really think there's a "legitimate crypto business" that you can have confidence in right now.
especially if they don't have a registered ICO and use a shell company...or have made past scams with their real name
I find it interesting to look into this from time to time though: coingecko.com/en/all-cryptocurrencies
I remember once finding some company (think this was either a resort or hotel company) that made their own coin and used some capital to give it some value. I don't remember the name, but the logo was orange/yellow
they probably used this for saving or something. Don't really know to be honest
anyway, tldr; Don't do crypto, work for crypto, work for FAANG, or startups that aren't making money soon.
and with that I'm out
lol peace carl!
the dreamkiller in his element
I'm gonna head out as well, take care
same, take care
23:33
you hear that @JBis ? don't do crypto.

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