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4:32 AM
Good morning from INDIA
 
5:09 AM
Good morning
 
Morning
 
Is it possible to know when app is uninstalling from device (own app). I have tried many solution but that all are not possible in latest version and some of the solution are depreacated.
 
 
2 hours later…
7:25 AM
Why would you want to know it, I wonder
pop up appears: I DID NOT JUST SEE YOU UNINSTALLING MY GODDAMN APP!
 
hi
 
why is using the camera so hard in android :(
 
cause you gotta override the Chinese using it for spying
 
i guess not
 
7:40 AM
"It is not, you are just doing it wrong" ~ Some Google Android Advocate
3
 
sure...
 
7:57 AM
o/
 
o/
 
@WarrenFaith way to put salt in his wounds XD
 
That is one of the things I am best at :D
 
8:24 AM
@ballBreaker did you ask them why they work in an underground nuclear bunker with no access to internet and an IDE?
 
Tim
8:35 AM
@Cool I read this yesterday, it's not interesting for devs. Just lists challenges of mobile dev in a way for management to understand
 
@Tim hmm, IMHO as dev it's interesting to know what others dev got faced
 
@Cool thanks for sharing, I'll take a look over lunch
 
@WarrenFaith that's a true Mehdi smile right there
sadistic, yet pleased
 
u welcome Mark
 
9:13 AM
how is everyone doing?
 
i m happy
but i hate android camera api
 
happy as long as the sun is around
 
the sun is always around it's that it's not always visible
 
yeah behind the clouds :(
from your side @Mehdi ?
@grrigore just watch some youtube videos from google folks explaining it and you will master it
 
yea but not today :P
any suggestions?
 
9:26 AM
I played with it once in 2013 and never again
Dieu merci
 
that explains a lot lol
 
I have seen that they released CameraX to make using camera more easier
did you checked it ?
 
it's in beta
but yes i did
 
@grrigore I think I have a git where I have used camera correctly
if you want I can share it
 
suree
that d be great
the thing is i m using CameraSource and i gotta set the right params for preview size
 
thanky you dude will have a look
but
I cannot find anything realted to camera
 
It's been a while so I dk where exactly this happens but I know ImgProcessor has relation to it
Give it a little search, you will find it
 
yep! thanks
 
No problem, happy to help
 
10:04 AM
This was the most starred message last year on this day:
Apr 9 '20 at 15:07, by Raymond Arteaga
It will not work but at least your files will be well organized
 
10:31 AM
@Cool I'm good as well, as best as I can be while confined in my apartment :D
 
 
1 hour later…
it's a sad world
 
Tim
died right before the finish line
 
can i ask you something
 
Tim
I think so
 
so i have this surfaceview and I'm trying to use CameraSource and display realtime preview of the camera but it's stretched no matter what.. got any tips? I've been googling all the way but I think I m missing something
 
Tim
11:54 AM
never worked with camera surfaceview
 
i guess I got to somehow "cut" from the camera display
let's say it's 2000x1000 and my view it's 1800x600
 
did you use the imgProcessor in my code? I think I tackled resolution problems there
 
no :) :D
 
user image
3
 
use !
haha
you're doing something else there
 
12:50 PM
This is really cool jetbrains.com/code-with-me, we tried it this morning a colleague and I, and I have to say it worked flawlessly
(included in the latest intellij update)
 
Tim
sounds cool but I won't click it cause I'm lazy
 
@Mehdi I've tried with VSCodes's version and it was horrible. But JetBrains tends to make better features anyway. My only question is how does it work with version control?
Usually you want to know who made what revisions.
 
the host machine is the one pushing
consider this as a more dynamic and interactive pair-programming tool, instead of your colleague staring at what you do through zoom, and telling you: change line 7, they can do it on their own
 
how's the video/audio chat? (if you've tried)
 
1:07 PM
@Mehdi what a nightmare
 
@Mehdi I've been in EAP, video and voice quality is astonishing, like better than anything i used before (zoom, skype, meet)
 
yeah same, i was very surprised
 
I'm using it almost daily for pair sessions with my team, made our lives a lot better
 
the only thing they didn't get right (and is still on Beta) is the blurred background of the video :D
 
Im usually hardly this impressed by a piece of tech
@Mehdi lol yeah ive tried that yesterday and its not working at all
 
1:19 PM
@Mehdi do you use the free version or the premium one?
 
still, an amazing thing
 
@Cool we just tried the free version
 
IJ offers so many awesome things
Like tasks and contexts, pr reviews...
 
it’s included by default on the new version of intellij close to the "build project" icon, there is a person icon "code with me"
 
seems not available in AS
 
1:23 PM
not available in AS
Im using IJ instead of AS anyways
 
rebel
 
why?
 
 
ok boomer
xD
 
I feel like its more stable, and more feature rich than AS
AS is based on IJ, and it usually takes months for AS team to incorporate all the goodies
 
1:27 PM
but do you have all the as freatures?
like emulator or layout inspector layout validation etc
 
@Mehdi this sounds exactly like how conflicts on the workfloor will start
A rat-race between changes, who gets to push first? -> place your bets
 
I think the companies where pair programming is a thing do not care much about those metrics
if a person pushes the most, they may be questioned whether they let people code or if they monopolise the stage when coding
 
The concept of pair programming seems nice but it kinda sounds like decorating the house with the wife
 
1:43 PM
why the fuck does "indictment" have a "c"?
 
Word
@JBis Why does Knife have a k?
 
I don't know
 
@grrigore nice I will dive into the observer pattern since state management keeps refreshing the whole UI element tree in that StateFull class
 
i have no idea what you're talking about but good luck :D
 
1:55 PM
xD
 
@grrigore yeah all of them
 
but... why do we have as?..
 
Because of the Android plugin, and usually AS goes a little bit faster in special tools for android, which are backmerged regularly into IJ
simply put Google cant really contribute to IJ, so instead, they have their own fork of IJ -> AS
 
makes sense
 
On the topic of pair programming, my team has regular sessions, you know how they say, two heads are smarter than one.
 
2:01 PM
me and @ballBreaker would infirm that one
 
Usually, I'm not involved in those sessions, which helps the team to form a stronger bond, be more aligned on certain arc decisions, knowledge sharing, etc
And tbh its fun
 
do you have any tips on getting a surfaceview to show a camera preview without it being stretched?..
 
I haven't dealt with camera in a long time, and tbh i cant remember whats the solution
i know some things might not work on certain devices (usually samsung)
 
why is life so hard
 
yeah..
 
2:23 PM
Awwww, Poor Grrigore - why is life hard
 
for my navigation doesn t send an argumeeent
 
Holy moly - I've literally rewritten an entire apps navigation while you've been working on this :D
 
well i ve been working on other stuff too
 
Me too ;)
And how is it not sending arguments?
Like, you're using navigate(id, bundle) right?
 
I get this navigation action/destination cannot be found from the current destination destination
but idk why
because it's all set
 
think I found me problem
 
Different Navigator?
 
nope
 
Tim
clicked twice
 
I use OCR and when detected redirect to new fragment and it called the method multiple times
so clicked twice yea
hopefully this is the problem
 
2:40 PM
Why would clicking twice be a problem?
 
idk
with that being said i m off for the weekend
have a nice weekend o/
 
Tim
because when you click once the destination changes and if you click again before the UI updates, you're in an invalid state
 
What is something simple that humans are really good at, but computers are really bad at?
 
comparing 2 texts
detecting sarcasm or any sentiment really
correctly classifying real world objects
empathy
etc...
 
2:56 PM
o/
 
o/
 
im trying to come up with a way to prevent scammers from abusing a remote screen control program im building
and i'm thinking that the server can provide a challange similar to reCaptchta
 
bahaha
 
why not simply a captcha?
 
show a bunch of different pictures of human faces and the person has to accurately guess the emotion
 
2:58 PM
that's not inclusive to sociopaths
 
hahaha yeah
good luck getting into my website autists
 
well i also don't want to have to create my own database of faces
 
haha
just use the pics you've taken of all your victims
except I guess "horror" and "terrified" would be all the emotions
 
@ballBreaker it's in cold storage to save money
 
hehe
 
3:01 PM
you could also build a big database of very basic questions with the right answer (1 word): "what do you do when you're hungry?" - "eat", "random verb1 from dictionary db", "random verb2 from dictionary db"
 
intersting idea
 
thats still a lot of work
 
@Tim Yikes...
 
@JBis not a lot of work => reCaptcha
 
hmm yeah
is it worth it?
 
3:03 PM
just put in Mehdi's personal phone number and each perosn has to call mehdi and verify that they're a human
 
hahahaha
 
perfect
 
on an unrelated note
whats your phone number mehdi?
 
Jbis's house number + raghav's net worth + the number of gfs mwb had * 3
(+ as in concatenation)
 
Tim
didn't know you had a BigInteger for a phone number
 
3:05 PM
69 + 2 + 5 * 3
it's at least 3
I think
 
Tim
do we count that one guy that seduced him when he went hiking or something
3
 
hahahahahaha
 
the guy MwB licked? yeah I think that counts
 
3:18 PM
so im assuming you guys heard prince philip is dead
 
Yup
 
nice nice
 
3:35 PM
Amazon Alabama unionization failed
 
lol
 
Tim
is that a euphemism
 
they didn't bring enough family members for the union meetings
 
@Tim ?
 
There should be a rule that describes as a population get's larger, the worse they get at getting a majority together
 
3:37 PM
I think that's just called globalization
 
Tim
ah I used the wrong word
 
hahaha
 
Idk I don't think unionization is a good idea
 
for who?
 
why not?
 
3:38 PM
probably not for bezos that's for sure lol
 
right, bb's question is more accurate
 
I think they can come together and demand better treatment but the structure of traditional union is problematic
 
"come together and demand better treatment" => union
 
I don't really understand how they would do that without a union though, especially considering how Amazon has been firing people who dissent
the only way to protect employees from that outcome is a union
 
Meh, there are a bunch of bad things about unions as well
 
3:40 PM
like what?
 
protects bad employees
 
yeah I don't think unions are perfect but if there's no alternative option then it seems like the best outcome for the workers
I think protection for the good workers outweighs the bad workers being protected usually, depending on the union or what kind of job it is
 
i think they are gonna be just as unhappy
 
no system is perfect, you have to live with a certain risk
 
I mean the two biggest unions, teachers and cops suck big time
 
3:41 PM
I think some existing unions probably need to be reworked though and especially for things like police
yeah that's different though IMO
both of those things are govenment unions vs private
 
JBis - Two biggest American Unions I'm assuming?
 
@ballBreaker true
@Graeme Yes
 
to me it kind of depends on the industry
manufacturing and by proxy amazon (distribution centres) most likely need heavy unionization to stay safe and fair
 
You're in Port Chester NY ?
 
I think if those companies had their way they'd abolish minimum wage and go back to child labour if they could lol
 
3:44 PM
Also I don't agree with the all the union ideas
 
"go back to child labour if they could" it's already happening in China
 
i have no problem with computers tracking productivity and firing people if they aren't productive enoguh
 
lol
 
haha jeeze
 
Tim
jbis prime manager material
 
3:45 PM
The problem is the computers are set for too high of a standard
 
wait until your employer installs a spy tracker software in your computer to track the minutes you spent taking a shit
 
^ lmao yeah exactly
 
One that's unreasonable
 
i had one employer track my time that I spent smoking cigs
that's basically what you're asking for
 
there is this thing called trust
 
3:46 PM
i mean it sounds bad but is it actually?
 
it is, if you care about retaining your best employees
 
if the computer is set properly what's the issue?
 
Tim
it's been proven that when people are being monitored their productivity actually decreases
 
+ would you go the extra mile for a company that spies on you? and say work on the weekend if needed?
 
that makes sense
whenever Iplay video games and someone watches me my skills plummet by 50%
 
3:48 PM
that's just losing at multiplayer games bb
 
@Graeme sorta, why?
 
Tim
it's all fine. The moment jbis starts working somewhere his opinion will change on his first day
 
^ yeah :D
 
@Mehdi unskilled labor vs skilled labor. I don't think amazon factory workers care about amazon.
 
Tim
it's also impossible to track productivity. Because half the time you're just thinking and not actually doing anything on a computer
 
3:49 PM
(not to say that skilled labors do, but i think a higher percent of them do)
@Tim not for factory workers
 
I don't think you can or really should differentiate too much from skilled and unskilled labour when it comes to work regulations and such
people are the same regardless of their work status
 
@JBis they would if they saw their employer cared about them
 
and without unskilled labourers the world would fall apart
 
you don't bite the hand that feeds you, unless it whips you before feeding you
 
@ballBreaker im not saying its bad, im saying its different
 
3:52 PM
I think I agree though Jbis, that unions shouldn't really exist, but I think that's because companies should treat their employees fairly from the start
without the need for unions
If some companies employees are begging for unionization then you know the work environment is really bad
 
^ leftist spotted, cc CF
 
So clearly the company can't be trusted to provide that environment, so why shouldn't they become unionized, the company brought it upon themselves
 
i still don't see whats wrong with tracking productivity with computers (assuming its done properly)
im not saying amazon is doing it properly (they aren't)
 
in one word, it's inhuman
 
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but on the other hand I think that it would need to be done entirely neutrally, and that's never going to happen
If they tracked productivity but didn't directly act on it then that's fine
imo
 
3:54 PM
well you need to act on it
 
you can measure the daily productivity of a unit, or an aggregate
but not to the individual level
 
@Mehdi why not?
 
I mean you certainly can, but I don't think you'll have employees for very long
 
but are unskilled labors not replaceable ?
 
1- it's pointless, brings no value whatsoever to the business besides firing and creating a climate of fear
 
3:56 PM
@JBis everyone is replaceable
 
some are more replaceable than others
 
2- humans should have a minimum of respect given, in a factory it's a collective, as long as the throughput has achieved its targets doesn't matter
 
I don't really understand the point to be honest, they're the same people as skilled labourers
 
it's much easier to replace a factory worker than the CFO
 
for 1. as a "skilled labor" leader, you don't care about individuals, you only care about processes, how to improve the collective, the big picture, etc...
 
3:58 PM
well i think most tech companies have found when you focus on individual moral the collective productivity improves, hence google and facebooks awesome campuses
 
Tim
isn't that an argument against your point
 
right so why do you want to reduce individual morale
lol
@JBis that's true, but it doesn't mean that they deserve less rights
 
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