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Fragmented - Android Developer Podcast: 194: Polyglot programmers 🐙
posted on April 13, 2020 by shows

What are Polyglot programmers, should you be one? Listen to this episode and find out!

 
 
8 hours later…
12:36 PM
MORNING !
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1:01 PM
Morning
 
1:11 PM
Ribbit
 
How is everyone this fine morning
 
morning everyone o/
 
@SagarV Re-clone the repo. The ultimate cache cleaning.
hmmmm.... Is it inappropriate to go kayaking during a tornado watch.
In a pandemic.
Because it looks pretty sunny and calm to me.
 
It might add some extra excitement
 
1:28 PM
Correct priorities.
 
my app is coming along slowly
 
It sounds gross...
 
o/
@Graeme I'm fine, thanks! What about you my fine bear?
 
1:58 PM
white bear
 
2:11 PM
I'm good thank you :)
Twiz - I wish the weather here was good enough for that
... But maybe be aware that you put other people are risk if you do ;)
JBis - What's your app?
 
2:23 PM
@Graeme Nah, I think the weather warnings are just lingering from when it stormed this morning. I'm going to wait until later to make sure though.
 
2:33 PM
@Graeme Its an open source zoom alternative that combines WebRTC for video and a discord/slack like chat.
Really glad my school's teacher union is using school resources during school hours to push their political messages while simultaneously taking advantage of people's emotions during a pandemic.
Yay teachers!
@twiz Up in NY we got bad rain right now and high winds.
 
That's... ambitious!
What are they pushing?
 
Well the group is the usual (NY) teacher union: Negotiating more money, for less work. But this video specifically was not about anything political. Instead it was basically a bunch of members saying how much they miss their students. Completely emotional.
What frustrated me most was that they used school resources to do it. At least one teacher, but I assume many more, posted it in their Google classrooms sending a push notification to all students.
I'm not really sure if this is a great way to learn but the docs are shit for a lib, so I used github to find projects that use the framework and have been trying to understand their code....
 
What? The teachers did a call with all of the students to talk about how the ymiss the students? lmao
 
no not a call
posted a video, promoting their political organization in a school resource forcing students to see it
 
2:49 PM
their political message is that they miss students?
 
their political organization being their union
 
Would you prefer them to strike instead
 
they're not allowed by NY law :)
but what i'd prefer is irrelevant. They shouldn't be using school resources to promote any political group, especially one they are a part of. Its completely inappropriate.
 
But unions are part of their job, and it was most likely mandated by the union, not the teachers themselves
 
The Union is made up of the teachers, and I don't understand the point you are making. This is a local district union not a state wide union.
 
2:56 PM
@ballBreaker It would be kind of interesting to see what would happen with teachers going on strike while everything is done online. Their jobs might just get outsourced. lol
 
@JBis Yeah idk Jbis, you're complaining about something that's retarded to complain about to begin with lol
I don't know the intricacies of new york teacher unions
I'm just saying that being in a union is part of being a teacher, and they were probably forced by the union to make such a video
 
Usually I see two sides to all debates. I truly do not see any arguments to the contrary to this one. Other than simply "its not a big deal"
 
Yeah I just think you're wasting your energy haha
Might as well start yelling at the rain
 
:)
 
Maybe you should post a response to the video and outline all of your issues with it
 
3:02 PM
And make sure to use school resources if at all possible.
 
set fire on rain
 
lol
 
@ballBreaker already did
people aren't too happy, as expected
 
hahahaha nice
 
@twiz didn't, even tho thats a pretty good idea.... :)
 
3:09 PM
happy with your response or happy with their video
 
my response
 
lol can u show us
 
its difficult for people to see beyond emotion
 
Hasn't been any drama in here in a while
 
And that's the story of how JBis failed all his classes.
 
3:10 PM
Sorry to disappoint but I'm not willing to send it
 
no worries
 
Couple years ago when they were half ass protesting I added an Urban Dictionary definition to their union name. Students loved it.
 
yo
so we are back to american politics
 
Trying to get fair wage for your profession during your professional life using professional resources? I'm on board.
 
3:25 PM
I'm not trying to debate the merit (ironically) of the teacher union's arguments. I simply disagreed with how they went about communicating that message.
 
4:08 PM
@twiz I fixed it. It wasn't an issue with flutter cache. It was an issue with device. Xiaomi caches icon for package name. I created a new flutter project with same package name and updated launcher icon before first build. Still it's showing default icon (from previous project). uninstalling, rebooting, etc doesn't work. I installed the apk on another device and everything is fine in it.
 
@ballBreaker My comments were removed. I feel like I'm in China.
The censorship is real.
 
If it makes it any better; I also feel like the USA is in China
For about a year now or more
But that sucks. It's kind of expected though that they would remove the comments lmao
If there is one group of people I've found that always struggles with criticism it's teachers
 
4:43 PM
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4:56 PM
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how is it 2020 yet we can only predict the weather with like 60% accuracy?
 
It's just gunna get worse lol 5G fucks with weather predictions really badly
specifically with being able to accurately tell the moisture level in the air
 
didn't it also start coronavirus?
 
hahahaha yes exactly and it probably causes autism too
 
dumb question, if 5G is just higher GHz why do we stop at 5G. Why don't we just go higher? Is their some tech limitation?
 
5:06 PM
Well there's a limit to how high you can go for radioactivity reasons and what is considered safe for humans
Technically though, I'm not sure, but I imagine so
 
isn't that limit clearly defined. So we just to that limit and bit lower.
 
Plus the waveband has to stay within a range so that it can transmit far distances
The higher it goes, the lower the range
Thus why 5G requires more towers than 4G
 
but the higher the speed? intersting
 
Yeah exactly
That's why radio waves travel forever, but they're shit for actually containing lots of data
 
I kinda rather range then speed tbh. I've never had a speed issue on 4G LTE.
 
5:08 PM
Yeah 5G would probably be the best of both, since it's essentially high-speed ethernet speeds while still having a decent range
But yeah I haven't had any issues with 4g
But I think the idea is to have a wireless network that can ease the infrastructure of the wired network and have less infrastructure requirements/limitations
As in being able to set people up with permanent internet plans that are just based on the 5G instead of having to wire them
 
wired will always be faster tho, right?
 
I would think so, but potentially not
Apparently the 5G speed is supposed to be as fast as gigabit per sec (fiber) speeds I think
I could be wrong though
Ah nvm, 5G has a theoretical limit of 10 gigabits/second
 
so soon i'll be able to drag and drop my hard drive in a matter of seconds
 
Yeah so it seems that 5G would actually be faster than most personal wired connections depending on how good the implementation of it is
hahah yeah basically
 
i just realized, no one can actually use that speed. Network is gonna be faster than disks.
 
5:17 PM
Apparently the latency is dropping from 20ms to 4ms from 4G to 5G as well
 
meh cdns take of that now anyway
 
Which basically means that it'll be better than any home network lol
 
what about remote ram?
 
@JBis lol yeah bascially
 
literally download more ram
 
5:19 PM
It'll be interesting though because the implementation is what will make or break 5G
 
Theoretically, lets say you need some more ram. You could pay a subscription service to use their super fast ram via the network.
 
@JBis That's what I assume everything will eventually be.
 
instead of VRAM swap you'd use this
 
Yeah things like Stadia should see a nice increase in viability as well
 
No one steal my idea, i'm going on shark tank
 
5:21 PM
Just fully stream a computer
Why download more ram when I can download an entire PC haha
 
@JBis Stadia is that idea. haha
 
"Back in my day we had to go to the store to get RAM"
 
They just haven't applied it to everything yet.
Its not like Google hasn't thought of it.
 
yeah in the future my guess is that consoles will come pre-loaded into your TV as apps xP
 
damn it google, stealing my idea again
 
5:23 PM
I just want the days where if I die in the video game I die IRL
 
Thats just called the matrix
 
I'll be curious to see if the price of devices goes down when they are basically nothing more than a screen and a wireless connection.
@ballBreaker That can be arranged.
I'm sure @RaghavSood would be down for the job.
 
@twiz probably go up
 
haha right? Especially if companies like verizon are involved.
 
all phones in the future are just an LCD display hooked up to a raspberry pi
 
5:27 PM
Luckily Google or Microsoft might sell some, and they'd have an incentive to keep costs down because they'll be the ones making money off streaming to the devices.
 
i still don't like the idea of relying on network for everything
 
Yeah me either
 
someone trips over the wireless cord and now my 7 hour video render stops
uh oh facebook turned into twitter
 
their new web ui design looks identical to twitter
 
5:36 PM
Mine still looks the same
 
maybe its random beta?
 
probably right, I've noticed changes like this before that other people didn't have yet
or I gotta clear my cache which I'm too lazy to do for this
 
5:49 PM
@JBis I thought the same thing the other day, but it was just because they added dark-mode.
Which apparently is how I was able to tell the two apart. haha
 
dark mode?!
okay I'll clear my cache, FINE
 
racist
10/10 pun right there
 
And you deleted it so no one will ever see it. :(
 
it was teetering on flag worthy sorry
 
damn it, just re-logged into like 6 different services and the facebook still looks the same
 
6:00 PM
if you give me your username and password, i can check to see if it works here
 
You have to set it to dark mode. It yelled at me about it to tell me I could though.
And I'm pretty sure its been several weeks
 
hmm
where do u set it
in the settings somewhere? and does it affect messenger
 
No idea. It threw a giant button at me.
 
facebook is cancer so I just care about messenger anyways
ahh
 
Messenger is at least some kind of a disease as well.
 
6:05 PM
I'm looking at an article and it says "after switching to the new Facebook, blah blah"
how the fuck do I switch to new facebook
Now if only I can get an article without a pay wall
 
Instagram is the only facebook thing I can tolerate, because its basically just a bunch of pretty pictures.
 
Dumb question cause my brain is toast now
 
The answer is yes.
 
Is there a way to place a toolbar as a child of a ScrollView and make it not scroll?
 
Facebook annoys me. Whenever I scroll with my right hand it always goes out of the current page. Same with instagram.
my thumb goes slightly right when scroll somehow triggering the "go back gesture"
 
6:08 PM
sounds like an iphone issue to me
have you tried getting a better phone?
 
Yea, I've noticed something like that too. In IG I always accidentally open the camera.
 
Looks like I gotta wait for facebook to roll out to me
this is discrimination against Canadians, probably
 
The iphone thing is probably accurate though, but on Android you'll just end up with a different problem. haha
 
It's possible; I haven't had any issues like the ones described though
probably just a fundamental difference since android has the back button, home button, etc on a separate little ting
 
I've finally converted over to Android gestures.
 
6:10 PM
and I don't use gestures because they suck
Even though I've never tried them
I just pre-decided that they suck
 
I generally like it now that I'm used to it, but it definitely causes problems sometimes like what JBis was talking about.
At least Android has a standard system-wide back gesture rather than letting app devs invent their own awful thing.
 
:(
 
gestures are cool...when they work. Allows you to move really quick.
 
@Mauker Sorry, I only Android in Javascript land.
"Android" being a verb in this case.
 
to be faiiiiiiiiiiiiiir
I'm always like a year or two behind on phone things
I adopt change on mobile devices very slowly and very begrudgingly
I'm still upset my phone doesn't have a physical keyboard
 
6:16 PM
ok boomer
 
Did you used to have a blackberry or something?
 
those used to be the shit
 
When I think of keyboards on phones, I just think of the awful T9 flip phones.
 
i feel like anything that requires a real keyboard shouldn't be done on a phone in the first place
 
yeah I had a blackberry up until like 2 years ago
I even against my better judgement got a Blackberry Passport just to get that physical keyboard goodness for a few more years
That phone was simoultaneously godly and retarded
 
6:21 PM
Gah, why is this so difficult
 
this fucking song has a knocking sound, everytime i play it i forget and ask whos knocking on my door
 
Insanely powerful.. 1440p display, massive camera also w/ 1440p, but in the end.. you were stuck with the blackberry OS which was trash at the time; and it supported some really low-tier android apps
It was somewhat dual-OS and it was just a mess
 
@Mauker Why do you need to do that though?
 
Bernie endorsed Biden!
 
Couldn't you just put the toolbar above to scrollview to do that?
 
6:23 PM
I'm going back to supporting Vermin Supreme for 2020
He seems like the most logical and less ridiculous candidate of them all
 
@JBis It really annoys me when songs have sirens in them. Super confusing when you're driving.
 
Vermin Supreme for 2020 I hope you guys get the change you desperately need
 
Didn't he say he was legitimately trying to campaign this year?
 
@twiz hahaha yeah and when songs leave in random Messaging sounds.. I've heard some songs with skype notifications or messenger notifications going on and it trips me out Biiiiiiiiiiig time
@twiz I think so, but I haven't seen anything on him this time around
 
6:31 PM
@twiz The problem is something else, that might've been a workaround
I have a custom view that highlights other views in the layout
But if there's a scrollview with children in it, things go south
I got an idea
 
Necesito cafe
 
...
 
!!!
 
'ok'
 
lol
hey bot
 
6:41 PM
@JBis damn he got 10%? lmao that's pretty awesome
 
enough to win i guess
 
the man wears a rubber boot on his head
lets make this man president
 
close third was "Dan Taxation Is Theft Behrman"
 
lol libertarians are so fucked
I agree with a lot of their ideologies, but it just doesn't make any sense, it's like trusting that anarchy will work
 
how
they are extreme conservatives, you are like socialistic
i guess it loops
 
6:45 PM
I guess I just pick and choose what I want to agree with them on lol
I'm more in the middle of the spectrum than specifically left-leaning
but my spectrum is different than your spectrum
 
canadian spectrum is much different, yes
 
I think the US political spectrum is actually the autistic spectrum
lol jk
 
FLAG EM!
 
hahahahaha shit
I just had a random call
fuck that made my day
Me: "Hello?"
them: "Hello? hello? shelly?"
me: "uhh.. no this is ballBreaker"
them: "What? No.. no.. shelly, are you sure? Is shelly there?"
me "no definitely not, no shelly here"
them: "But she gave me this number yesterday. I asked her out and she gave me this number"
me: "uhhhh.. oh... I'm sorry man. Damn... Well anyway, cya" hang up
Poor Krishan
 
big oof
 
6:55 PM
What kind of lunatic calls people?
Also, it would be amazing if you actually said "this is ballBreaker".
 
wouldn't put it past him
 
@ballBreaker I think anarchy is the utopia we should strive for, but accept that socialism is necessary to prevent it from being a dystopia. Or something like that....
 
@twiz Yeah that's kind of how I look at it, anarchy is the best system in a way, but it puts entirely WAY TOO much trust on people lol
 
lol and i think socialism is the utopia we strive for
 
The perfect government is the one I'm in charge of :D
 
6:59 PM
@JBis hmmm.... but that's kind of saying something different. Presumably you want a limit to the amount of socialism.
 
At least I have some sort of reasonable democracy, I have my voting at least..
 
Unless you're saying you want communism. haha
 
Well i think socialism/communism is an impossible utopia due to human nature
 
I suppose, but it's the oppose end from anarchy. It's impossible because completely centralized control doesn't really work in practice.
Same with completely decentralized.
whatever. I'm going to do something productive.
 
@twiz how dare you
 
7:06 PM
I know, I'm a menace to society.
 
@ballBreaker also all colors of pedophilia and sexual assault
 
My ideal utopia actually hinges a lot on totalitarianism
At least with respects to having basically zero privacy
 
What if there was zero privacy, but that information was available to everyone instead of just the central government? lol
 
"Hi. I'm ballBreaker, a totalitarianistic libertarian"
 
"You will take your freedom and if you don't I'll put you jail!"
 
7:19 PM
hahaha me and my buddy did a mock up of our ideal government in university over the course of a few weeks
and it just takes the best of all the various government structures and slaps them into one system
 
I imagine that's what has generally happened after people have overthrown their government.
 
yeah hahahahah probably the same exact way
"lets get high and talk about what we think is best"
the caveat to my government system is that it's a global government and only works globally
so ya gotta take over the whole world first
 
Your government sounds truly horrible. lol
 
crab is a crab he doesnt care about gov and stupid right and left wings
 
Oh it would be the best utopia of them all
 
7:24 PM
It kinda sounds like China. lol
 
Honestly, it has some parallels for sure hahaha
 
@ballBreaker oh the we had 14 standards and we made a new and now we have 15 standards nice?
 
Not exactly
 
sure we believe you
 
Well the president of the government is an intelligent AI program
 
7:26 PM
so ww3 with nukes then?
 
Why don't you just kill everyone? That seems like it would be a lot more effective.
 
it would be better if a pandemic actually wiped out most of the population first, then we come in with our tanks after
 
yeah no humans to infect with corona
 
If most of the people are gone, governments would be a lot less important.
 
@twiz good point. Won't have to change the history books if we just erase them
 
7:28 PM
Seriously, I don't think you're talking about a utopia, you just want to be a dictator. lol
 
@ballBreaker Bb is taking a new meaning...
 
I actually dabbled with the idea of writing a book based on it haha, and no I'm not the dictator in this government
 
 
heheh nice one
@twiz I'm kinda joking around, although I can type out some of my proposed system if you care enough to hear it
 
If you can write a book about it, it's not much of a utopia. There shouldn't be too much drama if everyone is happy.
It would be like Brave New World with a happy ending.
 
7:31 PM
I mean my system itself I could describe in about 4 pages of a word document. The book would be more, how it could go wrong
 
8 if its double spaced
 
Which I think is true of all utopias
 
Yea, there's always some asshole to ruin things for everyone.
 
Yeah definitely
 
meh, i think its assholes and they are just about everyone (humans)
 
7:34 PM
That is the most horrendous phrase in the english language....
 
The system basically hinges around a centralized, global currency that is monitored extremely closely via some AI algo (didn't dig too deep here, just assume it works). That basically checks for corruption. Everyone has basic universal income, and all corporations are abolished and replaced with the governmental equivalent. But at the same time there are capitalistic elements, where unlike communism, people can still earn a greater amount than the universal income
Which is done through performance merit, if you're a doctor you make 50k, if you're a good doctor, you make 80k etc
The government themselves is a senate of individuals that are the "best in their field" ex, the most accredited doctor can become part of the senate if they choose
 
"didn't dig too deep here, just assume it works" like a true politician
 
What do you get paid for sitting on chatrooms discussing government philosophy all day?
 
universal income
which is basically, you can eat and survive and have zero luxuries
 
what can i do with my money?
 
7:37 PM
You can still buy drugs too, but you buy your crack from the government
 
also what if i have an idea? do i have to give it to the government?
 
@JBis Anything you can do now, although I'll admit one area I didn't think of was in the realm of investments and market trading, not sure how that would work. Probably would have to abolish that too since there are no corporations anymore
@JBis If you want it to turn into something real, yes
 
@ballBreaker do i profit from this?
or they just pay me $50k for the idea and thats it
 
Yeah you would profit from it, the way to earn money outside of the universal income is by "contributing" so anything deemed a contribution = money for you
 
@Mehdi Can you help me with Custom Views?
 
7:40 PM
@ballBreaker who determines how much?
 
@JBis the AI would, or alternatively, some sort of commune across industries. I'm guessing you would have to create some sort of scale for said "contribution" like some way to determine how good something could be for the populus
Like entertainment is 1 point, but a science advancement is 5, that kind of thing
 
Do i get a star if i behave well?
 
But obviously it's way easier to create entertainment then it is to create a scientific advancement, so it would kinda work out in the end
 
What are you guys talking about?
 
some fictional stupid government idea me and my buddy came up with 6 years ago when we were more scorched than the sahara desert
@JBis yes and minus 1 star for asking too many questions
hehehe
I don't pay you a universal income to think!!!!
 
7:45 PM
so what happens when 75% of the work force decides basic income is enough and decides not to work?
Oh right, the AI will solve it
 
then I write a book about it
I mean, yeah, the AI
It slowly increases the temperature inside people's homes until they're forced to leave
 
@ballBreaker hehe
 
o/
 
eya ahmad
I heard Yelp has shady business practices, care to touch on this publicly?
lol jk, saw the chat history from last week
@JBis also maybe bring public executions back, I think the public really misses those dearly
 
did yall talk much about gov before i was here?
 
7:55 PM
little bit less but I think the increase is more due to the circumstances than to you specifically I reckon
with the primaries happening + general coming up , and the whole covid shtuff
Hard to say, I'm not the right person to comment on it, I'm still kind of a noob
Although it must be a year now that I've been here
ayyyyyyyy Jan 15th was my androidversary
September 2018 was when I tried to get in the first time and got put on the ban list. Time flies
(might have been a mental ban list inside tim's head)
 
@ballBreaker ah makes sense
finally making progress on my app
 
8:16 PM
nice man, that's always a good feeling
also just checking this rona map out for the first time in a while, damn. lol
US not doing so good right now, looks like they've surpassed italy now for most deaths :\
theoretically #1
China's numbers on here are so unbelievable it's not even funny
Somehow going from 10k daily cases a week later, 2k daily, then a day later 400 .. like okkkkkkkkkkkay
How are they even defending these reportings? Does anyone know?
ah well
im gunna dip out, ciao everyone!
 
9:05 PM
o/
 
9:18 PM
I have a small question, would you suggest using queries on a loaded array list or re-query the sqlite?
 
9:32 PM
I don't understand your small question
"using queries on a loaded array list" ?
 
9:52 PM
Nvm, I was just trying to do premature optimization
 
Your face is a premature optimization
3
 
10:07 PM
I'm a premature optimization
 
Tim
10:29 PM
Yes
 
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