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01:41
o/
01:59
Nana!
Greetings, they-who-have-no-real-weekend-life
Hey, that's us!
02:23
Morning....
morning
Mauker!
02:54
Coding night
Missed those
I can't really do anything about it, jsut finished 500ml Monster
I'll be coding, or at least awake for a while.
Got to learn them Flutter Dart Streams
03:09
LIES
Raghav, I see you're still online
Raghav is always online
Raghav.uptime()
03:10:29 up 8202 days, 05:23, 1 user, load average: 0.47, 0.25, 0.20
Only one user?
03:13
There can be only one
I thought you were looking to multiply
Common misconception
I am looking to consume and assimilate
The Universe shall be Me
Ugh
Something doesn't add up
Indeed, we are all at peril for the Universe is not Me
This must be rectified
lol
03:50
Ok Android, that was plain stupid
The navigation drawer wasn't working properly only cause it wasn't the last element on the XML file
It changed the selection if I moved using other means (like actions), but if I explicitly clicked on an item it would simply close the drawer...
ffs android
 
2 hours later…
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05:25
Hi
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RS travis failed! :D
Still here!
@RavindraKushwaha Welcome! Please read, confirm reading, and follow the room rules *before * you do anything else: room-15.github.io
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Hi Zucc
05:43
I am mathing hard right nao.
LIES
You misspelled mething
Did you remap your CapsLock to type out "LIES"? Cause if you haven't you should.
That's actually a great idea
I only have great ideas.
LIES
You had to have seen that coming
05:46
Ofcourse I did, I not only only have only great ideas I also know everything.
Ad am mathing prettu fuckign hard right the fuck nao
Amazon can tell me exactly which half of the day, two weeks in the future, they will delivery something on literally the other side of the planet. On the other hand, NZ Post can't tell me where my package is, despite it moving from an NZ Post warehouse to NZ
It's somehow gone from Ready to Send to International Departure to Ready to Send again
Did the plane turn around?
I got all sorts of numbers and varibales all up on the scren and some numbers are coming out, but not the ones I want.
We may never know the truth
On which case Flutter is suitable?
@bluetoothfx Butterflies
05:47
FLUTTER ALL THE THINGS
@nana The trick is to multiply everything by 0 and then add the numbers you need back in
Ehh @RaghavSood bro did you drink much today?
I'm only on my fourth coffee
Don't drink mucch 😂
@RaghavSood The trick is to desire wrong results, then you always succeed.
05:49
Why you are up mate?
What are you trying to do, nana?
Good morning everyone. :)
o/
May be that is the requirement
Nana is ...
...
waiting :)
I am trying to calculate the top left right bottom coordinates of a viewport displaying a section of a massive table of images
05:52
Easy, just ask the user to tap the corners
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LIES
hello
@RavindraKushwaha Access revoked for leaving without reading the rules
glorious design
LIES
06:30
Ultimately, I got an opportunity to work on ReactNative at the office and completely declined
06:43
Do we have any way to know application going to be uninstalled programmatically?
@RakeshKumar I'd have answered in the other room, but I got no rights there apparently ;)
@nana , bro, Let me ask them to add you there
developer.android.com/reference/android/content/… No, it seems you can't be notified of an uninstall of your own app. Unless you do some hackery, like have another app installed and listen for that intent.
@RakeshKumar ^
@nana , bro, I was trying to play with the intent. But that didn't work.
Well you don't get it in your app
TBH I haven't played with this myself but the doc says that the app being uninstalled will not be notified.
06:51
I have to do some kind of api hit as the application gets uninstalled
How quickly after it is uninstalled?
If I needed to know when user uninstalls an app, I'd probably devise some sort of a system where the ap would spin up a background service that would call home every now and then.
Or alternatively maybe there is s way to send push notifications repeatedly, silent ones and check when they were not received.
@nana , Yes, this is an approach. It would be best practice?
Honestly..it sounds fishy AF :) What do you need it for?
IMO since this is clearly an undesirable app behaviour there is no best practice for it.
A client asked to implement their own Analytics and should have that feature HOW MUCH UNINSTALL THE APP and lots more
:D
Realistically uninstall is the same as complete lack of usage, no?
And that is something you can already see in analytics.
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07:00
Is PS KPI screen not enough for that ?
@nana , :D :D, guess indeed
You guys need to find better clients
Yeah bro, Without the feasibility of work, they wouldn't accepted that work
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How to make text fill the textveiw
so that the text ends align linearly as textStart
@eLi Have you tried justification_mode? developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/… unfortunately >API26
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07:13
note yet
let me try
Otherwise a lib, there's a bunch of them, no clue which one fits your use case.
Hmm
My keyboard seems to need to boot
The fuck is this nonsense
LIES
k, why am I still pretending to be awake
so long suckers! o/
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nana this is exactly what i was looking for
Sleep?
07:39
Online since 30-09-2019 07:39 (UTC). Running on develop@355b70d. Uptime: 0h
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@nana this library work fine but as the textView get Increasing it looses sight, esp if the text String contain paragraph
08:15
2 messages moved to Trash
Use a gist
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LIES
Back from vacation and I already got served drama on the golden plate meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/389906/… @TimCastelijns
08:31
\o
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welcome back, Murat!
Mr. Patel requested access. Rep: 520 - Questions: 5 - Answers: 49 (ratio 4:39.2)
!accept
@Mr.Patel welcome. Please start by reading the rules and confirm you have read them before saying anything else.
I have read and understood the rules
08:37
Welcome!
Thankyou :)
@MehdiB. How you doing bro
good! besides the deadlines I have on my projects XD
How are you? had enough rest to go back to coding like there is no tomorrow? :D
Had a three week break
No idea what is happening :D
start slow if you don't wanna remove all the vacations effect :D
09:05
@ColdFire Jake's always been anti Flutter and it makes sense considering he's an advocate of Kotlin and Kotlin multiplatform - it could result in making a lot of Android developer jobs obsolete if it picks up steam which, as I've seen from some reaction from highly paid Android devs, scares them
I don't blame them for being scared - these are developers who have become specialists in Android and get paid extremely well for it. If they feel under threat by something which might make reduce the demand for Android developers - I'm sure they'd do anything to protect themselves
@TimCastelijns did I get telling you I met him in person? :D
@MuratKaragöz holy shit is this better than what I sent you last week
@RaghavSood well I haven't heard you say much bad about it so far!
@MarkO'Sullivan yes last year at some nerd meeting
That's because I'm still sorting out the basics
@TimCastelijns indeed!
09:12
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I have read and understood the rules
thanks and welcome
09:40
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10:17
I am going to box and pin it @murat because stackpocalypse is happening and people should know
246
Q: Moderator Resignation Notice

Robert HarveyI'm resigning as a moderator from all Stack Exchange sites, effective today. I didn't make this decision lightly, frivolously or suddenly. A persistent pattern of corporate missteps, and a monumentally deplorable moderator dismissal, has compelled me to re-evaluate my relationship with Stack Ex...

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10:28
TARUN SHARMA requested access. Rep: 130 - Questions: 4 - Answers: 4 (ratio 4:4)
Hey anyone experienced with anroidx recycler view
it's kinda crashing with google paging library
Ok, see ya
@TimCastelijns I am all in for drama
!accept
I pinged you for this last week
Sep 26 at 8:49, by Tim Castelijns
I intend on contacting an attorney if Stack Exchange does not respond to my second direct contact by the end of the day Friday. I'm surprised they're not responding, given that the statutory minimum for a copyright violation is $750 per instance. There are over 15 million questions on Stack Overflow alone, let alone answers and the other network sites. If everyone actually bothered to sue, Stack Exchange would be bankrupt. Even if they weren't aware it's a violation it's still a minimum of $200 per instance. — jhpratt 13 hours ago
I'll wait for a summary
I need a good ultrabook
any recommendations?
X1 Carbon
Is the Zenbook 14 any good?
11:29
got android 10 OTA on the pixel just now
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app: 'annotationProcessor' dependencies won't be recognized as kapt annotation processors. Please change the configuration name to 'kapt' for these artifacts: 'com.github.Raizlabs.DBFlow:dbflow-processor:4.1.2', Should i replace annotationProcessor: 'com.github.Raizlabs.DBFlow:dbflow-processor:4.1.2, WITH kapt : 'com.github.Raizlabs.DBFlow:dbflow-processor:4.1.2', or add both together ?
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thanks
only one warning left WARNING: API 'variant.getPreBuild()' is obsolete and has been replaced with 'variant.getPreBuildProvider()
ignore it
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Ok
11:42
you can run this ./gradlew sync -Pandroid.debug.obsoleteApi=true
in terminal
the warning can be ignored as tim mentioned
@SinanErgin Welcome! Please read, confirm reading, and follow the rules before you do anything else: room-15.github.io
12:22
mehdi have you read any meta?
yeah I read what you and murat linked, it's so funny, I have tons of respect for people who are so committed to the SO cause :D
there seem to be few left
I didn't actually get the story behind the firing of that mod (monica I think)
let me find the quote
They did this not because I've done anything to violate SE policies (which I have not done), but because they think I will in the future violate a thoughtcrime-style provision of a Code of Conduct change that hasn't been made yet.
nice, so SO has become a police state :D so what's the CoC clause she doesn't agree with?
12:28
it doesn't exist yet
they probably used China's ML model for predicting violations of the state rules
or... one of my mediocre models, and that would explain the not so small error margin :D
Hi, my ssh-stuff works only in git-bash, but fails in every other windows-based terminal. Please help. Says bad-passphrase :/
git-bash accepts passphrase.
nvm, used spaces & ANSIs in passphrase :|
I wonder if the new CEO has something to do with this purge
12:34
hard to say, he hasn't even introduced himself
ah no I just remembered that his starting date is tomorrow I think
hey boss yeah umm yesterday our network collapsed but enjoy the first day on the job
im here only for the chat
"but I was told we had 50M users and the community is self-moderating", "yeah well, today we only have 10M users and bob from accounting is moderating now"
12:41
is bob from accounting a meme?
it reminds me of JW's reddit flair
probably not, Dave once said it, and I liked it XD
Head of sales at Bob's Discount ActionBars
sorry I mistook
xD thanks
12:56
@eLi didn't know that XD
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never heard of it before :D
@MehdiB. still doing ML stuff??
That's not Mehdi anymore, Raghu
He stared too long into the neural networks
One day, they stared back
13:02
LIES
@Raghunandan yes, working on my first ML project, the results don't look good enough yet though :D
nice. atleast you are working on a ML project.
@MehdiB. me_irl, looking into a mirror
XD
@Raghunandan no, it's very frustrating
13:09
Why?. you would be learning a lot unlike us getting stuck with just android
and it's not so easy to explain to stakeholders that you can't really provide a time estimate since you don't really have visibility on when your model will work
6 to 8 weeks :)
@Raghunandan cough, cough ARCore and Tensorflow Lite :D
what if it still doesn't perform well, Tim? :D
ARCore is hard so many concepts involved. i do not know much about tensorflow though. yeah give them a rough estimate.
Tell them it's not learning well enough, you need to enroll it into a special machine learning course
Then charge them extra
13:14
then you just tell them
I really wanna deliver it to at least count my first ML project as a win :D
I know the feeling Mehdi
13:32
o/
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ARCore Never heard of it
mornin o/
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i've tried to look what is it
woah awesome drama today
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13:36
Sure i'll go deep on weekend
good job tim
You guys hear about the latest SE drama
oh
looks like I'm late to the party
bahahah read all the drama in a different room then came here to announce
Looks like they forced a resignation from one Mod (Monica) and now a ton of mods are resigning
"fired" is the word you're looking for
13:40
Sigh we dont get to see the conversation as it is a private mod room
so we dont know 90% drama :(
yeah but I mean the mods don't really have a contract do they?
I don't even know
Don't think you can fire a volunteer, really
what was the reason to fire her?
i din't read the previous posts
1 hour ago, by Tim Castelijns
> They did this not because I've done anything to violate SE policies (which I have not done), but because they think I will in the future violate a thoughtcrime-style provision of a Code of Conduct change that hasn't been made yet.
Yee they're making a policy change coming up in the future, and this mod pre-emptively was against it
13:42
so they fired her before even releasing the policy change
More info here in chat:https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/51883818#51883818
and here in post: https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5193/stack-overflow-inc-sinat-chinam-and-the-goat-for-azazel
btw i didn't get why that post is in judaism.meta?
shouldn't it be in meta.stackexchange?
or meta.stackoverflow?
I wonder if the "upcoming talk" title is actually serious or being sarcastic jakewharton.com/presentations
she was a mod on judaism
and apparently 5 other SE sites
oh i see o_0
yeah and apparently stripped of all 6 diamonds at once
13:48
oh well doesn't look like this drama is going down anytime soon
@ballBreaker yeah well if you fire someone you don't really let them keep the laptop and access to some parts of the building
@MuratKaragöz xps 13
huh?
oh
yeah I was just explaining that to CF
@ColdFire saw that, but I actually want UHD resolution and 14" would be better
fg
This isn't my terminal
13:51
in The Meta Room, 7 mins ago, by Mad Scientist
There are two separate issues, the reason for the firing itself, and the way the entire thing was handled. A lot of the complaints from other moderators are about the second part, not all of them disagree with the first part.
what about hp spectre x360 then?
its pretty decent 4k and 14 inch
almost 2k :/
it has many variants go for a cheaper i guess
2k euros?
holy shit Europe laptop prices are insane
and india too :(
who is this george fella
can't wait to see what this policy change is LOL
14:00
@MehdiB. Look
WHAT'S NEW IN JAVA 19: THE END OF KOTLIN?
Room 16 - Keynote

Kotlin's introduction was a breath of fresh air at a time when the pace of innovation in Java felt glacial. Since that time, development of Java has rapidly increased with an emphasis on fixing the pain points of the language and the efficiency of data representation in the VM. Will Kotlin still have a place in the JVM language ecosystem in a few years?

This talk will compare and contrast how the two languages approach solving the same problems of today's Java. We'll look at data-carrying types, asynchronous programming, nullab
(see full text)
14:32
@ballBreaker LINK
@Mauker nice! so it's gonna probably be a constructive talk
Yes!
@TimCastelijns he is the chatroom i linked
maukerrrrrrrrrrrrr
what CF said
14:39
Looks like an SE employee trying to say that the firing was justified, but because he can't actually SAY ANYTHING about just all speculation
in The Meta Room, 2 hours ago, by George Stocker
@Magisch if I could speak freely about it I would. I think speaking freely about it is better than what has happened.
@MehdiB. holy heck
wall of text brb lol
Lenovo Yoga S740, what do you think about that @ColdFire
CFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
let me check
The 4k one
14:43
jeeze haha
in The Nineteenth Byte on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 13 hours ago, by Mego
And now, this whole demodding situation has exploded (to put it lightly). Like I said before; I'm not at liberty to share details, but my opinion is that SE vastly overreacted, and it feels a lot like tyranny to me. I feel as though SE has broken the contract between users (especially moderators) and staff. I feel that SE no longer represents the best interests of the userbase.
sums it up pretty well
Look at this neat work setup
which setup
15:06
lmao
nice
adam I watched your pressy today
I'm afraid to ask what you thought
but I'm gonna
What did you think?
15:19
The black bar over the face is what kills me
nice full screen pop up. Close tab
Imagine not using an ad blocker in 2019
Imagine still judging others in 2019
That is the purpose of The Filter
You kidding me? 2019 is the year of judging others!
15:21
I was gonna point out that instead of saying "[param] some Long represents an ID" you might use an inline class to make the comment obsolete. Pres was good in general, even though it was not really new info for me personally
it's not an ad bro it's one of them privacy things
I didn't get any popups with uBlock Origin, hmm
Yeah that has come up in some conversations and I forgot to mention it during the talk rip. But yes also a good point
If that's the first criticism then I'm gonna say I did a good job lmaoo
bro 🤜 I have the same blocker
That's the only one he feels comfortable giving while also maintaining his relationship with you, Adam.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ on the popup
@MuratKaragöz @ballBreaker SE un-featured the post XDDD tag excerpt reads "A special moderator-only tag to mark important meta discussions". Apparently this is not really important
15:31
ooof lol
classic SE move
"quick! bury the controversy before too many users see it!"
also
in The Meta Room, 48 secs ago, by rlemon
@TimCastelijns Oct 14th. season 7
letterkenny
ouuuuuuuu nice!!
I love Autumn for the TV shows.. new South Park should start soon and new It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia has started!
I still need to watch season 6 of letterkenny
Was waiting for someone to torrent the full season so I didn't have to individually download each episode
o/
got my op7 today
15:48
🎉🎉🎉
@nana, bro , Now able to get the status the application uninstalled, but for the other app not their own
@AdamMc331 good
@TimCastelijns lmao dictatorship in the making
16:04
@ballBreaker it's six episodes you lazy bum
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series name plz
16:24
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Q: Brothers, I must go

CalebIn the beginning... 8 years, 1 month, and 6 days ago at something between 2 and 3am in the first few hours of this site being launched I signed up from a mobile phone browser and acquired account #30. I still remember being annoyed that the public release happened to fall while I was on a multi...

resigned spree
I can't wait to see the change to the CoC
"Anyone with an opinion differing than that held by the StackExchange corporation will be, without question, discounted as wrong and all discussions for such disagreements do not fit our ToS and must be removed from the website"
Is my best guess
With how things have been going LOL
oh god hahaha
Pronouns. No seriously, pronouns.
Oh damn, this guy is actually spilling the beans on the CoC change
Literally all of this drama is because of this:
If person A comes along and demands that I refer to them by their "preferred pronoun" (even if it is a mismatch for their genetic sex or the grammar of the language being spoken) and I refuse, that's considered an insult. Now if I avoid pronouns altogether by sticking to proper names or disengaging from the individual, that's being considered an insult too.
LOL GET REKT
all of this over preferred pronouns lol, RIP society
I don't understand people who have a problem with that, you ask me to call you X I'll call you X, I really don't care
also, just from the title he seems like someone who'd have a problem with that... "Brothers, I must go" not really inclusive for a mod
16:45
@ColdFire Thanks!
which way taser?
heya
I removed it thinking it would confuse, anyways, why does android doc encourage use of an interface between an act/frag comm?
which way?
Frag -> Act
16:47
abstraction
It encourages the use of an interface because it helps avoid coupling
frag doesn't know who is hosting it
or what Tim said in one word
It makes it easy to change the communication to say Frag -> Presenter or Frag -> ViewModel if you can supply an instance of an interface, rather than tightly coupling everything between the frag and the activity.
Frag -> Trash
2
o/
With Kotlin, we can use lambdas to do the same task which an interface would normally do, so if we compare their usability, do you think that one should prefer lambdas over interfaces?
Now I understand it, ty

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