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8:03 PM
Whaa?
 
mehdi don't like you're 78 years old
about to retire
writing your last lines of python code before you kick the bucket
the bucket filled with sand at your beach house where you'll retire that is
 
@DaveS omg this is so cute
 
lol
have you not seen lawn gnomes before womper?
 
they are not a thing in europe
 
ah
 
8:26 PM
The only gnomes i know are from RPGs and the Sims
 
And David el Gnomo
 
oh wow that made it to Spain?
 
And gnomeo and juliet
 
My wife and I watched david the gnome growing up
 
8:30 PM
Yes
 
oh it's originally Spansih
 
Hahah
I didn't know that 🤣🤣
 
o/
 
o/
 
How are you dave?
WOMPAAAAHHH
 
8:41 PM
I'm good, annoyed with apple and their garbage release cycle for developers
they release their new version of iOS that breaks apps but not the corresponding update to xcode
so you need to download a special GM seed version of xcode which didn't work for submitting until 2 days ago
and iOS 13 released today
 
what the actual fuck?
F Apple
 
F
apple is worse than aids and cancer and racism
 
MAUKEEEEEER~~
Gotta go
Sleep time 🤣🤣
Cya people!!
 
cya
 
8:54 PM
Night wompah
 
nighty night wompy womps
 
9:21 PM
lololol
 
9:41 PM
lol
 
oh no
 
which one you choosing Adam?
 
honestly top right looks like he ain't taking anything from anyone so
 
lol
 
Would you accept 5k to have to put up with people for 5 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 10 weeks?
 
9:49 PM
no that's only $100 a day
$5k a week
 
You can still do whatever you want, only condition is you have to be around people
Don't really need to talk to them or let them live
 
oh in that case
get some headphones and get paid
 
Other concern is that they expect me to get up from my desk at home, walk about 1km to a different building, and use a desk there
Might have to buy a car
And a chauffeur
 
1km is like a baby mile so I agree
 
To be fair, I can probably knock a week or two off the ten weeks by taking... work trips
Even tho I work alone, from home, in isolation
 
9:55 PM
don't work trips also involve people?
 
People can be arranged
If you're the one planning it, you can pad the scenario with people who are socially survivable
Will probably go for it, 5k can buy almost 700 coffees
Spread over 10 weeks, I get 10 coffees a day!
 
10:21 PM
there you go
 
Is it just me or is the room less occupied recently?
Only 8 avatars right now, there's usually 2-3 rows
 
it's been slowly getting less active and smaller
carl and tim are basically non existent these days
Adam and Mauker and Mehdi rarely stop by
 
sups
we need some drama to spice up the chat
 
10:37 PM
lol
 
I propose we commit regicide against CF
 
TIM WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS GONE
that works too
but then we'd be down a member
 
Think of all the thankful people we'd gain tho
 
wow
 
DOWN WITH THE PRINCE
 
10:48 PM
best piece of technology ever created
 
hmm it's close
 
I took one of those apart some years ago
 
@RaghavSood lies
have you guys tried Rx 3.x?
 
@IvanMilisavljevic Truth
Oddly enough, couldn't find it in the transcript
 
lol man
check out the quality of those components
those plastic parts look like they are made from pure steel
 
10:58 PM
Yeah, I think I broke a hacksaw while opening it
Some of the clips wouldn't budge, had to cut through them
I've taken apart modern smartphones since then, they take about a minute to open up destructively
About 5 minutes if you want to have them in a state that you can reassemble from
 
yeah i use to change screens for my friends
 
Yeah, fixing phones is great business
Think of all the keyloggers and backdoors you can sneak in
 
true, have you guys seen latest android facebook fail?
they gathered like bunch of stuff about system libraries n shit
 
Seems reasonable
Why go to the effort of building a surveillance machine if you aren't going to surveil
 
true
before entire fb fiasco, they gathered pretty much everything
also yeah, i received a job offer for the company that wants to build something similar
 
11:10 PM
Excellent
I do hope you are joining them, it's a lot of fun work
If you're going to build stuff, it should at least be useful
 
nah, too beautiful to go to prison
 
Simply more money/opportunities on the evil side of things
 
also true, i used to work for sugar baby/daddy dating platform
 
Not much use in that beyond blackmail material
 
subscription was like 600$/m
 
11:14 PM
If you're well off enough to afford that lifestyle, it's a reasonable price
 
@RaghavSood tbh im super tired of building social/dating platforms, i really want to build something useful
 
If you aren't but still want the lifestyle you need to stop being poor
Yeah, that's mostly why I quite Android
It was fun, reasonably profitable, but entirely a waste of time
 
you wouldn't believe it, there was a bunch of super rich guys and ladies
yeah, everyone wants to build a new facebook these days
like that app i saw the other day, tinder for dogs or something like that
 
11:18 PM
There's lots of impactful stuff you can build still
Just need to find one you like working on
 
+ money
there is no much stuff going on in serbia
 
You can work remotely
What's the avg tech pay in Serbia like?
 
high actually, it goes from 1.5 to maybe 3, 3.5 for seniors
euros/m
 
Seems similar to SG
That's not bad
You can very likely find slightly better remote options
 
yeah, and we have a lot of really god engineers
problem is, we dont have large numbers of innovative stuff, mostly outsourcing
 
11:21 PM
That might be a problem, competition isn't good
How are your hunting and gardening skills?
Maybe @W0MP3R can drop by for a while to help with the "gardening"
 
what do you mean?
 
You're more likely to get a good job if all the people better than you are being used as fertilizer
 
lol there is no much people better than me :D
i truly believe i became worse developer due to android
 
It is true
 
6 years of android is similar to 6 years of php
 
11:26 PM
I hate java
 
jb you do android or pure java stuff?
java is actually ok if your not forced to write 1.8
 
neither (but pure java)
I dont write java, but when I did for class it was regular java
its soooo explicit, its annoying
 
well its almoust 30 years old language
 
you spend 30 mins researching a question, answer it and you get a dumb response of someone who didn't read your answer
 
No excuse. JS is 23 years old.
 
11:29 PM
and doesn't even at least upvote it
why do i do this
 
@Ahmad Its pronounced "StackOverflow"
 
if it wasn't clear this actually was in fact my frustration for SO
lmao
 
And python is 29 years old
 
wow
didn't know it's so old
 
I need a statically typed, possibly compiled, flexible language
 
11:31 PM
maybe for it's 50th anniversary we can decide to not use python 2.7 anymore
 
php
wait
wrong thread
 
@Ahmad 3 months
 
not gonna happen
so many companies still running on 2.7
 
@IvanMilisavljevic I still dont really know what this is besides its like Java, but better
 
11:32 PM
its like Java++
 
@Ahmad So many companies still use HTML4
Can you pass functions as arguments?
Can you create objects really easily?
 
clean, fast concise
yeah
 
Are arrays of dynamic length? No bullshit Lists?
 
sounds like you're describing javascript
 
@JBis Go
 
11:34 PM
minus the statically typed bit
 
@RaghavSood Go, actually looks pretty cool, but I thought that was mostly used for web sever stuff
 
It is mostly used for tools/backend stuff, yes
 
@JBis you literally can do all of these things + much more
 
@DaveS Thats why I use node.js
 
Not many people write frontend stuff in Go
 
11:34 PM
yeah node.js is nice
 
I don't get why more don't use it.
 
front end in Go sounds awful
we use Node.js for the majority of our server code here
 
It's doable
You must split it out and then binpack it
 
node has port virtualization?
 
@IvanMilisavljevic what is that?
 
11:35 PM
Build a JSON/gRPC API in go, then write a react or whatever app to consume it, then pack it into the binary
 
@IvanMilisavljevic But Koltin isn't Java but it runs on the JVM right?
 
I'd just use redux at that point
 
@IvanMilisavljevic Ok, I'll try koltin, but tell me why it sucks first
 
It compiles to java byte code and supports interoperability but otherwise it's its own thing I believe
it sucks because its yet another thing you have to learn and Adam likes it so it must be bad
 
yeah, like why didnt they just do something else? Is the JVM that good?
 
11:38 PM
i haven't found single thing about kotlin that sucks
@JBis it actually is
 
Pick a language based on what you need to do
 
also it can be compiled for other runtimes
 
you can compile Kotlin directly into binaries
 
yum
 
For instance, I'm doing prolog right now since I need to not fail this test later today
 
11:39 PM
hence the edit
 
right
I'll pick up kotlin next time I have a native android project to start
 
Whaaaaaat Kotlin to JavaScript?????
 
but almost all react native and react web apps these days for me
 
And you can make iOS apps with it
oooo this could be nice
 
I would not recommend iOS apps in Kotlin
pickup swift if you want to do iOS
 
11:41 PM
I tried swift and gave up 1.5 hours later
@DaveS why?
 
well i wound t write the entire app (for ios) in kotlin
you would usually take extract the commoon stuff in native module
like domain side of the project
and build the ui using platform stuff on top of the domain
 
Apple is so exclusive with their tools and support using anything but their turn key solutions is a nightmare
debugging will be awful, things won't work right, I can guarantee it
 
@DaveS i can confirm this
ios and kNative is a nightmare
 
hmm
 
if you want to take that route, you have to write everything in pure kotlin
+ some other limitations
 
11:48 PM
LIES
You can also write stuff directly in assembly and load object files
 
yeah you could do that if you were raghav
 
I haven't written assembly in years
 
@RaghavSood yikes
prolog is such a weird lang
 
I kinda like it
A bit hard to wrap your head around it
But it is fun
 
yeah
was nice once i did get it
are you also doing another functional lang?
the class that i had to take that made me learn prolog also had a big project that we had to do in haskell
 
11:59 PM
Not in class, but I've worked with Haskell and a couple others very briefly in the past
 
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