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8:00 PM
For you? Or for me
 
For the well being of the world <3
 
I don't think those exist much yet
 
I'd like to see hydrogen fuel cell cars with hydrogen generated by renewables and fusion
 
IF you really care you wouldn't have a car at all and you would public transport
 
8:00 PM
that's the way forward
 
there is a company here in the north of holland who transforms cars into hydrogen driven cars
 
so don't pretend that you do care
 
I do care
but I work remote
 
They are so massively popular they can't accept projects for the next 10 years
 
electric will hold us over for a little while though
 
8:01 PM
There are a few hydrogen cars by toyota now in Quebec
 
and don't use it often
 
so that's cool
They're the only province with any of the infrastructure for it
 
the biggest issue with hydrogen is 0 infrastructure
 
exactly
 
Right
 
8:01 PM
@ballBreaker Groningen has hydrogen re-fuel stations
 
niice yeah same with some places in quebec
I just meant in canada
 
@DaveS you can't easily create those the oil is not finished yet
 
quebec the only province with it
 
so oil companies will stop you
 
I hope oil companies will die
 
8:03 PM
A lot of them have been slowly pivoting
 
BTW I now work as a garbage man recycling plastics and whatnot I do my fair share now too
 
democracies around the world can stop the oil companies problem is people are stupid and want to believe a magic man in the sky controls the enviornment
 
@SnakeException this is ironic since they work on the death of other species
 
I mean the issues with democracies is that more than half the people in the world are retarded
So good luck actually changing anything
 
@MwBakker lol
@ballBreaker So true tho, actually
 
8:04 PM
thus its really gonna fall on whether or not fusion can make energy cheap and plentiful enough that oil is no longer economical
and if there's still an environment around when that happens
 
@ballBreaker I don't even know if I belong on the retarded side, so here we go
@DaveS it's just going to be used for bombs anyway
 
it's already been used for bombs
it's making it not be a bomb that's the hard part
 
and not to mention our plastic problem
> In a more direct route, boaters may dump their trash right into the sea. In the past, this has been the main cause of plastics in the ocean. In 1975, the National Academy of Sciences estimated that 14 billion pounds of garbage was being dumped into the ocean every year. That's more than 1.5 million pounds per hour.
 
@MwBakker that's the beauty of being retarded, you don't really know you're retarded
 
@ballBreaker nice
@SnakeException not nice
 
8:07 PM
@MwBakker very true
 
plastics are a problem but not something that is an existential crisis for humanity
 
True
I believe global warming is the most evil of them
but still
 
But if so many big influencial compnies/groups/parts of entire countries do not care and polute would a hybrid even make any difference at all. Like those ships throwing trash in the ocean would be like "wait.. is that... is that a prius over there?! Juan stop shooting that whale! Ricardo stop throwing plastic into the ocean!"
 
on the other hand I don't want to demotive living with care for enviroment, we should all do that
 
8:10 PM
I love how the whale killing plastic dumping boat is mexican
 
But I love 80's cars so damn much I may have a hypocritical problem
 
"If all those people are still being murdered by warlords does it still make a difference if I don't kill people?"
the answer is yes, it makes a difference
 
@DaveS that metaphor would be more like "if the company kills Peter, would it make a difference if I kill Peter?"
 
I think it's safe to say that the educated and non-psychopathic part of the world is typically pro-global warming
 
8:11 PM
no because you're still contributing on your end
just because someone kills 1000 peters doesn't mean you didn't still kill 1 peter
 
but this is the same planet
 
and your emissions are yours alone
 
if one kills planet I am still on killed planet
 
more emissions = worse
 
wether I had driven an 80's car or not
 
8:12 PM
just because it might be bad, doesn't mean your emissions doesn't make it worse
I'm just pointing out the flawed cop-out logic
 
I dk plants need CO2 to produce O2
maybe my Ford Sierra emissions are those that reach those plants
 
I personally don't think your 80s car is a huge impact, you have a point about manufacturing emissions etc
 
But the factory ones get blown over sea
 
there's plenty of CO2 that's ridiculous
 
lmao
 
8:13 PM
I know that was kind of lame of me
sorry Dave
 
plant trees, try to conserve energy, try to use renewables, support good public policy
 
Does the end justify the means in this case
 
but don't think your contributions don't matter just because other people suck
 
because we could just nuke the US, China and India and be okay
 
I know I am just trying to moralize my hypocrism
 
8:14 PM
You know, once the nuclear winter resides
 
that would cause a nuclear winter though
what if we just annex canada and all move to the north
 
@ballBreaker Cause of the inventions coming from those three exact areas is why we now talk to eachother online
 
internet was invented in france bro
 
wasn't it by US military icw several universities?
 
@SnakeException india what?
 
8:16 PM
Well we can thank them for their contributions to the world, and then wave them goodbye
 
what if you just killed the conservatives against it, left the progressives alone?
 
Honestly it's probably such a combination of things
Yeah but then you just have one big libtard country
ran by antifa
 
@DaveS it will be two, two 80's cars :)
 
but it wouldn't be getting warmer
 
It would get warm just based on the raw emotion
3
 
8:17 PM
lol
 
@DaveS there are conservatives who care for the world, right?
 
Yeah there definitely are
 
@ColdFire Pollution in india i mean
 
lol
 
@ballBreaker you could run nuclear facilities by the sheer anger of triggers alone
 
8:18 PM
not sure how that is related here
 
@MwBakker In the US they clearly don't care enough to do anything about it
 
assume one gender and you got lifetime energy for 5 households
 
because every conservative politician is on board with not giving a shit
 
looks like you are heading trump2
 
@ColdFire pollution -> global warming
 
8:19 PM
and deal with trump till 2024
 
I don't think trump is too bad
 
he's awful he just gutted the endangered species act today
what are you talking about?
 
I think we can all agree that all politicians are scum pedophiles and move on lol
 
Come on an adventure with me politicians and ride the Lolita Express into the sunset
 
8:20 PM
xD
 
@DaveS I dk if it has to do with care of have a non decent economy to perform certain transitions thus focus on economy first as conservatives mostly do
 
@SnakeException hmm its not that simple /shrug
 
And then with new money head for new technology
 
I think the presidents and prime ministers of the world should be elected Hunger Games style
Random draw, then duel to the death
 
Zoe
Wouldn't that just elect the most violent ones?
 
8:21 PM
xD
 
winner becomes president
 
@Zoe Hmm, good point
But maybe the smartest AND most violent ones
 
Zoe
not really
 
@ballBreaker that sounds like a lucky draw could elect any type of candidate
 
8:22 PM
Fine, random lottery, no duel to the death
anyone between 30-45 can be chosen
 
@DaveS The cause of doubt at climate change is because there is a huge amount of direct profit for certain business attached to the problem
 
hmm next democratic debate in august :thinking:
 
@MwBakker I think 99% of the climate change doubt is in the US
 
Zoe
@ballBreaker poof and you got a dictator
or worse
 
worse?
 
8:24 PM
@ballBreaker I'd rather see them elected via non-subjective tests of their leadership and governing abilities.
 
"sorry Zoe can't come out for her speech, she's currently having a panic attack behind the podium"
 
genocidal maniac i suppose
 
Zoe
iDunno, a repeat of WW2?
 
@ballBreaker @Tim as moderator of this chat room
 
@MwBakker there's no doubt among scientists, just doubt among the public
 
8:24 PM
well its the public that votes
 
Zoe
@ballBreaker that could actually happen :x
 
@DaveS because the public has to pay for it one way or another. If nothing is being done they also pay for the damages caused by climate change. Despair is born
 
@Zoe hehe yeah that was the funny scenario I had goign in my head for a lottery based presidential election lolol
 
scientist are insignificant voters
 
Zoe
There's a reason I'm not running for president XD
 
8:25 PM
I'd be similar
BUT I JUST DONT WANNA BE PRESIDENT/PM TODAY hmph
 
Zoe
... aside my country not having a president
 
@MwBakker lolol
 
Zoe
@ColdFire everyone are insignificant voters. It's the group vote that wins
 
@MwBakker xD
 
your new president, Mr. Harvey Weinstein!
 
8:26 PM
Tim the Dictator
 
yes CF I know. The issue is half the country is afraid of educated people, they fear scientists as elitists who are out of touch and wrong. That God will save this country and other stupid shit
 
nice that my 80's car works like oil on a fire in a conversation
now I love it even more
 
hmm i generally dont like the elites but was not aware scientist are considered elites
i thought those people worked hard to get there
 
@DaveS not to defend anybody but scientists were also there when the opium prescriptions got out of hand. It was told to the people heavy painkillers were good and what not
some may have recieved good money for that
 
Basically CF the cycle is The right guts regulations and cripples government, accepts unlimited donations by various lobbies and promotes falsehoods and fake studies to push their narrative that immigrants are the problem, climate change isn't real, the media and 99% scientific consensus are liberal conspiracies
 
8:29 PM
yikes
 
and people believe that shit and when things fall apart and government fails because of this, they say "look we're right, the government we crippled doesn't work"
 
we need to create a technology that turns pollution into marijuana smoke so that everyone will chill the fuck out
 
i watched the 2 democratic debates i only a few candidates that can beat trump
 
and people vote to keep them in power because they are more afraid of brown people than climate change
 
or have panic attacks
 
8:29 PM
and if harris ended up nominee
i am 99% sure trump will ace the election
 
68% of all percentages are usually made up
 
@MwBakker I'm not saying scientists can't be mistaken or unethical, but they are trying and a 99% consensus isn't a consipracy
 
lol ofcourse i made that up
 
Science as a core principle is supposed to be more concerned with the truth than individual interests, other scientists can correct bullshit
 
@DaveS I am not denying you either, but just understanding a possible doubt among a lot of people when huge loads of money are attached to it
 
8:31 PM
oh yeah of course
it's just mind blowing when people would rather believe it's a liberal conspiracy than perhaps the study funded by the oil company is biased
 
I mean there are probably people who actually believe epstein committed suicide
Anything is possible
 
not sure any country believe climate change is conspiracy
 
I find it funny that it's a Clinton Conspiracy when Barr and Trump control the federal prisons
 
at least i haven't heard of any
 
there's a significant population in the US that does
 
8:33 PM
i am assuming the majority does believe?
 
A global warming conspiracy theory invokes claims that the scientific consensus on global warming is based on conspiracies to produce manipulated data or suppress dissent. It is one of a number of tactics used in climate change denial to legitimize political and public controversy disputing this consensus. Conspiracy theorists typically allege that, through worldwide acts of professional and criminal misconduct, the science behind global warming has been invented or distorted for ideological or financial reasons. == Background == As stated by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC...
 
@DaveS From what I see it's a conspiracy on both sides
unless you mean global warming
which I have no idea where that conspiracy comes from
since it's like a 45 year old consipiracy at this point
 
@DaveS most of them look at short term, there is a lot of unemployment or even people with decent jobs trying to keep heads above water. Then they are told they need to spend big time investing in something while at the same time gates need to remain open to all kinds of people who may perform good influence on your country.. or may not and end up ruining neighbourhoods as how neighbourhoods got ruined from an area they flee'd
 
85% of them don't think it's a serious problem worth addressing Mw
it's not about short term economic prosperity
 
@DaveS this was also the main ground for the cause of Brexit remember
 
8:35 PM
#bringbackeugenics
 
And brexit was stupid for similar reasons
 
mandatory IQ test before you can reproduce
 
@DaveS You'd really think it's about not worth adressing only?
 
chemical castration for all that fail
 
I"m not talking about why you vote republican, I'm talking about why it's still the Republican platform
 
8:36 PM
not sure how brexit solves the immigrant issue honestly
 
If the majority of Republicans were for climate action they'd have to do something or they wouldn't get re-elected
 
especially the brown one since UK doesn't get brown people from Europe
 
but Republican politicians don't give a shit because they know their base doesn't
 
boycott brown people
 
@DaveS I think Brexit could have been prevented if immigration policies were better. It sounds harsh but most people voted Brexit just because they wanted off the Calais situation and unpoliced masses of people coming in (with some just for financial benefits) a lot of interviews from people on the street mentioned it. Everybody, even the EU was warned way before this
 
8:37 PM
A lot of people voted for brexit because they were lied to and didn't really know what it meant
 
And voted for the most stupid thing they could have voted for..
 
Again Mwb brown people migration is mostly not from EU
how does brexit solve it?
 
@DaveS driven by fear. They voted looking at it as a last stand on taking back control. I am not agree'ing but just quoting some interviews and polls
 
Searches for "What is brexit" peaked AFTER the referendum
it was a campaign of misinformation and many people who voted for it said they wouldn't vote for it now, now they know what it meant
 
@ColdFire they would no longer require to take in people by demands of EU
 
8:39 PM
they would unless they junk the laws
which we dont know for sure they will
 
@ColdFire This is what they thought brexit would do
 
also UK has lots of SouthAsian and they migrated regardless of EU
 
so what you're saying is that brown people caused Brexit and also brown people are the reason that climate change isn't taken seriously in the US
I think we all know what that means
 
hahah
 
8:41 PM
lol
 
it doesn't matter what color they are, it's about masses coming from one country to another without control policy. At the same time you also have to finance Greece, Spain and Italy to prevent their bankrupcy and the British kinda got crazy over it I guess. Crazy enough to vote for some populist with a referendum not knowing what it would cause
terrible decission
 
hmm that would make sense once i see the data of migration in UK
 
you could just read into the calais situation a few years ago to get an image
 
ok Greece Spain Italy point accepted altho its not really that simple
calais?
 
@ColdFire not sure if they have all the data because a lot happened without policy
 
8:44 PM
is that some data collection site?
 
@ColdFire no it's a village where people gathered to enter France
 
> non-EU net migration was the highest since 2004; this follows a gradual increase in immigration of non-EU citizens over the past five years for both work and study

the number of EU citizens coming to the UK continues to add to the population; however, EU net migration has fallen to a level last seen in 2009 due mainly to a decrease in EU immigration
if this is correct it kinda proves my point that unless they radically change their laws outside immigration is unlikely to change brexit or no brexit
 
fear will be the maker of decission, as most of the times
 
They should just be like Canada and be an ocean away from them
 
religion is also driven by fear, look at the power it has
 
8:49 PM
Solves the too many immigrant problem
Or go the way of that movie that locks up all the immigrants in cages
of mice and men
I think
 
well UK is literally in the ocean and not connected to any mainland lol
 
Yeah, they should get better at being more of an island then
 
you can't have "too many immigrants" but you can have too many people simply willing to benefit from a social system while you also have people in your own country making a lot of use of that system
 
hehe
 
@ColdFire are you unfamiliar with the channel tunnel?
 
8:51 PM
and then the climate problem, how to address people such thing if they lose trust in the government
 
I think you can have too many immigrants
a billion immigrants sounds like too many
 
i am familiar with it carl i mean naturally
also immigrant cant really cross it like any normal connected border that is what i mean
 
@ColdFire it's actually just a myth that black people can't swim, CF
 
wtf who started this myth?
 
I think Einstein might have the patent
but idk, white people at some point in time
 
8:54 PM
@ballBreaker xD my cousins nearly woke up here by my laughter and I'm supposed to babysit
 
jesus bb
 
hahah sorry I'm in a bit of a mood, the conversation is so serious I had to lighten it up
 
so anyway I can't wait to buy that t-bird
 
Is it that same one
that is in France?
 
yes it's still for sale
 
8:56 PM
In the colour you don't like
 
btw i forget to point out in the debate tulsi ripped apart harris record's as a prosecutor which affected black and brown the most, so she is not really doing a good job at being a pro black/brown if she intended that way
 
@ballBreaker it's in wannabee France: Walony
 
hahaha who WANTs to be french?!
 
Haha ikr?
anyway it's still there so I know it's just waiting
@ballBreaker yes but painting it decent costs 1500 euro
 
Can you simultaneously believe in equality and that the earth is overpopulated at the same time?
 
8:58 PM
altho biden looks likely candidate
 
brother is back
gotta go, work starts at 0645 again
see you!
 
yeah I Gotta ge toff too and go home
 
Bye bye bb
Good bye all
 
o/
 
o/
 
9:04 PM
how are you cf
 
i am good
wbu?
 
I am gooood
 
did you watch the 2 democratic debates?
which candidates you are looking forward too?
 
I lost my waifu ;_;
 
do you mean imaginary one?
 
9:16 PM
have you ever lost your waifu?
 
Zoe
I don't think CF is capable of feeling or showing sympathy
 
Taseer No, which anime it was?
 
gotcha you weeb
FBI OPEN UP
 
you should call 911
 
9:32 PM
carl pls
 
10:15 PM
@ColdFire I haven't watched them. I really like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren though. I need to learn more about the rest of them.
 
the whole native american thing really put me off from Elizabeth Warren, speaking as someone from MA
I think she's better as a senator
 
 
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11:59 PM
@ColdFire Mac is rooting for the republican nominee, from what I understand
 
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