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It's really hard to get a grip on her though
how old is she btw
She's 18
nice
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to put it into perspective, I had about 0 programming experience before my 22nd
20:06
but you must make a pact with yourself to break up if she starts doing php
@TimCastelijns So I could introduce her to it. Who knows she opens up to it
@TimCastelijns Haha my first language was... php..
think of how rich you could be if you were both app developers
@MwBakker I know a lot of computer challenged people who work in IT
They usually end up getting specialized training in one particular application and they can teach people to use it
@TimCastelijns I.. I just want to be happy
@DaveS It's true
IT != programming
20:08
money can arrange happiness
anyone who disagrees is poor
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@DaveS Yes but you have to agree a little autism and a little interest in the devices itself does help
She should pursue something she enjoys, anyone can learn, but she should do it because she really things it's a good career choice, not because she wants to do what you do
@TimCastelijns Hahah
for a programmer
IT is totally trainable
plug the wires in, run the tools
@DaveS She mostly mentioned to me "lots of jobs" "importancy" etc so I think it's not because of me
20:10
those are not very good reasons to choose a career
She should pick something she enjoys
or she'll hate it
For a software engineer you will struggle if you don't have the aptitude, not so much for IT
yes. We thrive through hunger for knowledge
and knowing what to type in the white bar at google.com
And how to suppress warnings in the legacy code base you inherited
people look at us and think we joke, but it's all true
it is
20:14
Yeah but here is the paradox, lot of people in IT did not know much about programming before starting
So how must they else choose such road?
that's actually the case for 95% of white collar jobs
we just happen to enjoy more independence on our learning given we are on a certain context
as opposed to say marketers etc... who need company trainings and resources
20:27
isn't that the same for any education? You think you will enjoy it, but you never know until you know
and then you think: if only I had chose this... but people on the other side think the same about their choice
Span up a whole new app, two fragments. A button that navigates between them, a button in Fragment 1 that sets it's own visibility to GONE, go forward, come backwards and it's there again.
"the grass is greener on this side" "the grass is greener on that side" and then you realize, the grass is a lie
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"Grass isn't even that great anyway" - Desert native with rocks in the front yard
@Graeme sounds like Android Development
Blows my mind that View doesn't save anything about it's state natively. Bonkers.
I've been an Android developer for... long enough I can't remember how many years and didn't know that
20:35
@TimCastelijns Jup
8 years?
Funny thing is, I was in her position as well
I choose the mid way: I liked a lot of things but not enough. IT is in every sector, so I get a bit of everything
Was my pov at that moment, now I just really like programming as well
I don't think I ever would run into this issue because I render all my UI changes based on an application state. So I wouldn't be leaving it up to the View if it's visible or not, it would be intentionally set every time
ConstraintLayout and applying ConstraintSets more modernly.
ViewModel backed View?
kinda I don't strictly adhere to any pattern because my apps are a 1 man show for the most part
20:38
@DaveS you can't claim "modernity" if you still code your layout in XML...
XML is king
Tim and I laughing in custom views
man, I got my droidconSF tickets just in time to.... leave SF cause it's covered in f*ing layersssss of smoke. anyone who braved it, do enjoy!
@MehdiB. i'm not sure I'm familiar with non XML views, elaborate
@Graeme Me gusta
20:45
Que?
@MehdiB. I don't understand
In what else must a layout be defined then?
Or how would one perform databinding then? Isn't databinding modernity?
eww databinding
@TimCastelijns lol
I don't like the idea of tightly coupling model/view
@DaveS yay
20:48
@DaveS ???
Databinding is meant to loose the coupling
It's basically making whatever is in your model show up
@DaveS +1
Tight couping is Button btn = new Button() with btn.OnClick{}
No one does that
So how do you perform the loose coupling?
Genuilly curious, I hope not to sound like a jerk
If so, I'm sorry
20:54
what dave said
"I render all my UI changes based on an application state" but if it's not per databinding
Then I won't know how he does that
@DaveS it's a joke based on the fact we implemented a graph custom view programmatically, so it became the new norm of designing layouts
ah lol
MwBakker, my Activities/Fragments usually have references to their XML views with a few functions around updating the UI state, in those functions they perform transitions, trigger animations, set data on the view and change visibility/constraint sets
@MehdiB. It's a joke? Damnit
So the UI is updated to match the model intentionally, and data validation can be performed
20:59
@DaveS It sounds like a ViewModel with UI abilities? Is it like that?
Sort of yeah
Alright
Thanks
What I don't like about Databinding is as soon as the model updates, the view updates
sometimes models get bad data or you want to do something else
@MwBakker was refering to this one i.sstatic.net/3SBbP.png
@DaveS But data validation can be performed in the setter() of the model object
But I understand
It's not impossible to validate the model input, the setter can undermine things before it calls on the InotifyThingy
21:03
I'd rather keep it all together
has anyone ever been to disneyland?
in paris
Not everything can be done with data binding so it's going to fragment my code
@ColdFire Once
I was young, didn't dare to go in 80% of the attractions
what does 1 park means when booking tickets do they have multiple parks?
if multiple which one is worth going if i have only time to go to one?
@ColdFire yes
nvm
21:05
@DaveS What did you encounter that couldn't be done?
anything that isn't binding a view to a specific data source
@ColdFire If you are going to Paris you could afterwards go to the catacombs
@DaveS Hm well ok that part yes
catacombs?
it's where all the cats go to get their hair done
21:07
^
> Admission to Disneyland® Park OR Walt Disney Studios® Park
ok found it
now to decide where to go
Disneyland is the one
studios is boring?
Disney Studios will be extra
the classic Disneyland experience is the main park
yeah apparently 17euro extra for the ticket
i am sure both cant be done in one day
why waste 17 euro i guess?
or can they be?
21:09
If it's a clone of the California one, you're going to have a tough time doing both in 1 day
You can easily spend all day in just the main park
hmm i am not sure if its clone of california one
paris is bigger
more space
but they seem similar
If you've never been to disneyland, just do the classic disneyland park experience
if you have a second day, do the studio then
i am checking the tickets here 365tickets.co.uk/disneyland-paris
need to see if this website is geniune also
@DaveS hmm paris has other stuff to do too, i think if its not that good i will just skip the studio
I doubt it's not good
It's just not Disneyland
You have to do Disneyland because it's disneyland
yeah but i have only 3 days in paris
21:14
yeah then maybe skip studios
Visit these catacombs, I wish I had
its inside disneyland right?
No
You have to be in disneyland for 3 days?
Then I'm sorry, my option is no option
no
i only want to do disneyland for 1 day
btw @MwBakker you bought tickets online or at disneyland?
I was 11
Or even younger
I was 8, so Im sorry on that part I can't help
21:29
@TimCastelijns probably going full time to yelp
:)
oh thanks
not anymore in sf ahmad?
@Ahmad Oh sweet, that should get your foot in the door for the next few internships
Not watching the game @MwBakker?
I'm not that big fan of soccer...
I also just heared we 're not doing quite alright
2-2 just now
21:34
Oh, that is well done then
@Ahmad repost
@MehdiB. wow this is so nice
what technique did you use to create that?
it is
@TimCastelijns i didn't use XML so that's a plus, but i used Java like a peasant :D
peasants write their own charting library when a perfectly good one exists already
21:45
@ColdFire eventually I'll move to sf
oh coool
if you are in germany in the next 2 days and nearby stuttgart let me know we could meet up
it's best not to reject an invitation from the prince
lmao
altho i dont think he is anyway nearby my area
The prince has invited you, Germany has trains
21:52
xD trains are costly in germany
I'm in sf for another few days
how convenient
lmaoo
22:09
o/
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How's it going eski?
not too bad, we just got amazon set up and running ads in our app in time for the holiday shopping
how's school going?
Nice!
Going alright. I've been really frustrated with a lot of parts of it, but I think I'm in a position to make change and that makes me happy.
are you doing CS?
22:17
Yep
are you still deciding whether you wanna do make school?
I have a friend who did make school, I can connect you two if you want
you can ask him about how it was
I got a lot of feedback from people. It's looking more like I probably won't, but I'm still going to apply.
Thanks though :)
Either way I'll be happy. At Make School I'd be happy with the curriculum. At UB I think I'd be able to help mold it how I want. Or at least take a few steps towards the right direction.
And at the very least, I can keep teaching students without changing the curriculum or how the school works or anything.
gotcha :)
Still trying to find an internship for the Summer tho. Gahhh it's stressful
yeah the internship grind is awful
22:28
Agreed
22:49
I'll hire you as an intern if you live in Phoenix through the summer
That headline is just too juicy
Moving to Phoenix to get shit from Dave in 120 degree weather
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just missed it
What should I ask on a Job interview?
Are you interviewing someone?
I'm being interviewed
"How do you think you'll feel in 5 years when I'm your boss?"
don't really ask that
23:48
lol
Yeah, don't do that
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