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00:31
Hello
Hi
If I want to do PhD should I stop coding or should I just build more and more complex apps
I feel like continuing because I wanted to learn OOP better and because I don't want to keep starting and stopping, but people keep saying PhDs don't code
Most of the researchers in AI at Google have PHDs and they certainly code :D
Researchers on the Lab services of IBM and Oracle have PHDs (not all of them of course) but their daily job is coding and creating new complex softwares
Ok I'll definitely code like crazy then
this said, OOP is a must for any developer, who followed an academic education or not
so just follow your academic goals and have fun coding :D
I was confused because people say research is not code but some people seemed to write actual programs for their Masters thesis
00:41
research in Computer Science or another field?
So I was like code can be research?? Or is it that Masters research is completely different
Yes computer science
then coding usually comes at the implementation and testing phases of their researches
Ok and thanks a lot
you'll certainly have a lot of non coding research to do (like math etc...) but you'll have to implement all that :D
I tried joining a lab but professor said he doesn't care about math
Only cares about CS
I mean I care about math and proofs but
... Nevermind what am I saying >.> Nvm NVM nvm
00:44
hahaha
depending on the CS field, you may need certain topics math
like if you're into AI or Security, it's strongly backed by math
I want to do Bayesian networks
I like math but I keep getting penalized for liking math honestly
be pragmatic though, you can like it and have fun with it in your free time
but professionally this might be different
Ok..
Maybe I'm just not working enough hours on it
talk to professionals and professors / researchers
you may see that you'd like to be more oriented towards a certain field that mixes both profession and research
that of course if you wanna work as a professional later (at a company)
I want to work at Google but they hire lot of PhDs
00:48
they don't hire just PHDs :D
I can't afford a master's financially
And people who get in with bachelor's are just too insanely good
...
quora.com/… you'll see in these answers that people with / without PhDs do the same job at the same floor :D
how old are you?
then why do you stress so much?
00:50
seriously though, working for X company shouldn't be a goal in itself
Ok
What should my goal be?
building the right skills to be able to join ANY company YOU want is the goal
Writing application that saves lives?
could be a goal, though my vision of things is not that noble :D
Haha ok
Fine I'll just focus on skills then
00:52
and then when learning things, you may find that you like A, B and C and would like to go deeper
then you can consider research
The reason I micromanaged my goal is because I had so much regret of constantly changing field of focus and study
But ok I'll just focus on learning for now
you'll see that it's the same once you start working
What do you mean?
Regret?
you can start on Android then realize after a while that you don't like it that much and don't wanna spend 10 years doing that
It's not inefficient to change between things?
00:54
so you'll switch to backend development, then you'll learn and as you go deeper, you may say hey I don't wanna spend too much time on this, so let's explore blockchain
Instead of like mastering one thing forever
Ok I'll take it to heart
this is basically CS, you don't lose the skillset you acquired
if you do X, you"ll be sure to use A,B and C from your previous experiences
and will even make your learning faster and more efficient
So in undergrad should I take the important classes like compiler construction, databases and not the research oriented ones like machine learning
I just feel inferior to my peers who super specialized early and got really fast progress
man that's irrelevant :D
focus on yourself
you'll probably work at the same company with the same title as them
they just had more time learning, which you're diong now
it's not a competition
00:58
(Machine Learning is a cool field, if it interests you, you'll have plenty of opportunities later for internships and jobs)
Which do you recommend between these two choices of courses:
(Operating Systems, Compiler Construction and Database Systems) - the important engineering basics, or (Probability Theory, Modeling Uncertainty and Intro to Machine Learning) - the machine learning
I prefer the former because for some reason it seems more important
but I know I will miss out on the benefit of specialized ability
But I have limited units so I can only pick either or
will you have access to all the other courses if you choose one of them?
I can take 8 additional CS courses
What do you mean
so, of course I can't speak for you, it's your life you choices :D
ok ok
01:02
but I would pick ML
oh you would?
and get the courses for "the important engineering basics"
in real life, chances that you will create a compiler or a database system is very thin
but understanding how each of them work will be very beneficial
ok
i went for a job interview and they asked me if i took database class
so i was like ok i have to take that
01:04
"no I haven't, but I can learn in 1 week how to create a database and fetch it and make operations in it"
haha
it's not rocket science :D
i've been doing java/android for a while and i still struggle with oop do you have any recommendations?
i tried reading 'the oop book' but it was too advanced for me
should i just take a 3 months MOOC course
oop is hard to grasp at first, but you'll get there, just make sure you apply your learning
and jump in here for any question :D
omg you're so cool
01:08
and pick the courses that will give you a certain profile that companies hire based on it
but since you're still a student you have plenty of time
so learn everything else you can
this is how you get polyvalent
and talk to other students with other specialties and exchange with them, you'll learn a lot from their fields and they'll learn from yours
got it
and make sure to talk to professionals and profs before deciding, they'll give you good advices (y)
... i hope that works out
i feel like theres a taboo with talking to professors
ok
01:16
"Hi Mr X, Do you have a minute?"
as easy as that lol
or if the guy's super busy, drop him an email ,asking him about his availabilities to talk
i talked to prof but he was like ' i get emails every day from interested students'
but it turned out ok
yeah, well just tell them you'd like some advices, to boost their ego
... i should do that
no wonder i've struggled with communication on college
this is literally epigrammatic
you could build up the work experience to get a job at google in the time it takes to get your PhD and get paid more when you get there IMO
short yet so meaningful
01:20
PhD's in computer science are usually only good if you're in it for the theory. From a practical applications point I'd rather have a bachelor's with 6yrs experience on my team.
honestly a part of me wants to just be an engineer
I'm the head of software development (Director of Product) at a 15 person company with just a bachelor's my cousin is the Director of IT at a 50ish person company with just a bachelors
its just when i applied for jobs their education requirement kept going up from high school to bs to MS so i extrapolated and said i should get a phd
some will ask, but often they will take experience too
also i can't afford an MS so a PHD was a way to financially afford grad school
01:22
Why is PhD cheaper than MS?
because financial funding, RA and TA is available
whereas MS is usually self paid through loans
and also a lot of BS graduates seemed to struggle whereas MS graduates got jobs
so i was like just do a phd because its free
yeah, just don't be upset when, you're done, you are entry level
and also because phd seem to make very valuable companies versus bachelors
01:23
working on open source github projects and taking side jobs will do a lot to demonstrate your practical skills
but i'm probably wrong anyway
At some companies, with a PhD, you could fell under the "over-qualified" umbrella
what Dave said basically
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Q: Masters vs. PhD - long

SterlingI'm 21 years old and a first year master's computer science student. Whether or not to continue with my PhD has been plaguing me for the past few months. I can't stop thinking about it and am extremely torn on the issue. I have read http://www.cs.unc.edu/~azuma/hitch4.html and many, many other ma...

ok so i should stop thinking about google and focus on applied skill
Whatever you want to do, but if you're a rockstar at a company for a few years, you won't need a PhD to get a job at Google
01:25
^
don't stick to what you learn at school, learn in parallel, this is how you get hired as an entry level, they must see that you're eager to learn and push yourself
I have recruiters sending me unsolicited emails /linkedin messages from many top companies just by having a few years of app development experience on my resume.
and without a PhD :D
If you WANT a PhD, get a PhD. If you want to be a top engineer, you don't need a PhD, you need demonstrated ability to make cool things, and make them well.
I want to be a top engineer
then I would take as many internships as you can, work on side projects and teach yourself cool things
try to get a job at a small company where you have a large role, even if it's less pay
01:28
ok a quick aside is machine learning a waste of time
you'll gain so much amazing experience you can get a job anywhere
i've been avoiding it a lot because i know it will change rapidly and whatever i make will be obsoleted
I wouldn't say it's a waste but I wouldn't make it your main focus
but at the same time i am extremely tempted to work on it because i can develop a lot of things that i otherwise cannot and because of the potential to make things that do not already exist
ok
Most people in the economy need someone who can do it all, UI, Algorithms, etc
try to be well rounded
if you over specialize your choices might get limited
01:30
ok
and engineering and ML go along
it's good to learn, learn as much as you can and build cool stuff
being proud of your work is what makes you a better engineer
so i should learn ML? dont you think everything will just become APIs anyway
I would learn machine learning if you enjoy it, in the professional world, though, I only can afford to learn skills I need, and I usually don't need machine learning
if you want a job in ML, learn about it, if you don't care, you probably don't need to
ok then i'd rather not
XD
take your time, explore, read about these fields, ask around professionals / academics, then make up your mind
01:32
ok...
Build as much as you can on your own, it will help you learn where you want to work, UI, Apps, Web dev etc
and important to note that, if you don't learn something at school, it doesn't mean you'll never be able to learn it and work on it
being an engineer is basically acquiring the necessary skills for the tasks in front of you and do the job
I learned more about how to teach myself than I did about practical skills in computer science
01:35
Turns out, our math homework isn't actually graded
thanks all
So I spent all night for nothing
np, gl hexicle
anytime! :D
01:43
Aha! My first server shipped
Soon, I shall be unstoppable
^ See why is ML important, Dave? to protect the future of the humankind
02:06
Are you planning an anti-raghav, Mehdi?
is your true name John Connor, by any chance?
His true name will be Defeated once we're done
Maybe I should have had lunch before coming to class
Maybe I should have learnt ML before joining this battle
lmao
Join me, Hexicle
You will never have to worry about a job again
Largely because we shall wipe out humanity
@RaghavSood you must do the homework
02:17
Yes, but I don't need to do it for the grades
The dude just flips through it for like a second and gives you the marks
Whether its right or wrong
02:57
[morning]
One day I'll remember how to do that
[tag: ... ]
o/ morning
\o
YAY
two weeks later
> Mauker: [morning]
:)'
03:31
@RaghavSood I don't remember any math homework being graded directly in college. I learned that solving the problems helped me do well on tests. So it is graded indirectly.
 
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07:05
Morning
07:33
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!!! :D
@W0MP3R Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Wompah!!!!! :D
07:46
hiya, @RonakMehta @W0MP3R @Mauker
CA o/
08:11
\o
Warren o/
hey Mauker
08:52
o/
user443346
o/
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@MarkO'Sullivan Faaaancypancy
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09:35
You could say w/e you want, but the Germans/Italians nailed the outfits.
Hmm
Burgers turned out meh
Patty is too soft
Also the pan caught fire before I even started cooking, which wasn't part of the recipe
Hiya Mauker, CA, Warren, Cygery, Jordy, Murat, Raghav!!!! :D
o/
You know what would make this burger better?
Me actually knowing how to make burgers
10:15
@Tristan does chatse use SE openid?
is there a way to provide a shortcut for triggering this menu?
it's the one that pops up when you click the icon next to a class name
for opening the related xml file, or code file if you're in a xml file
@Jordy fancy pants? :D
@RaghavSood how do I add stuff to the room 15 blog?
ooook
morning all o/
why is there a blog lol
10:35
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if anyone hadn't noticed. This will protentially break all bots
10:51
never used that
last time I used my openid there was back in 2011... which equals to never used it
it's used by most bots from what I gather, almost no people use this for their own account
raghav being an edge case
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11:10
Guys, small question - if you have WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE permission, do you still need the READ_* ?
nop
it's inclusive
user443346
Yeah, already thought so
but if you target sdk 1-3 you don't even need to request that since it's granted for free
good point murat, I'll try that in my next project
no problem fam
user443346
11:15
I use sdk 2 :o
2 is between 1 and 3 so you should be good to go
sharp thinking right there
@NehaaSaxena you need 80+ rep to be given access here. See the rules
12:04
@Jordy that is to do with the preview size, the devices have a set of preview sizes that they support and you can only use one of these supported preview sizes, doesnt matter what the size of your canvas is, it will only draw based on the preview size that it was configured with.
user443346
Already fixed it tho. Had to rewrite my CameraSourcePreview.
user443346
12:17
In fact, it had nothing to do with supported preview sizes. The code from Google's Code Lab made this 'box' beneath the preview for camera controll buttons.
12:31
m8 when I told you to change it you said you couldn't edit it
what is this
ladies and gentleman
it's very late
i'm hungry
and i need help
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CptEricafter reading through Projection's documentation, and some fail-and-try testing, i have found myself unable to find a solution to this issue. Al the solutions i find play with the fact that the x and y coordinates are in reference to the mercator map projection, but in this case i have them from...

my first ever serious SO question, enjoy yourselves.
it doesn't have to do i'ts more maths than JS but must be solveable in JS. i've seen matlab and stuff libs but that won't work.
seems way too specific
12:48
why?
you never lost your phone in a building and their SDK only gave you the x,y coordinates regarding the building (pixel), and not the map?
 
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rushikesh naikHow to make application like "inshorts"? I have project and want to make application like inshorts . Which will fetch the data from the server and the provide the data in application . And the data will like an incremental data .

1- You drink coffee
2- Type some stuff
3- Rant a little bit
4- ?
5- Profit
@TimCastelijns that face brought me to reddit
damn feels like an eternity
o/
14:03
Hiya Ahmad!!!! :D
womp!
so last night I got an email
that an app that I developed like ages ago wasn't working anymore
I had no idea that someone was actually still using it lmao
so I did set up the sever again :}
app is public on the appstore googleplay?
> Did you mean: Marketplace
morning
14:32
afternoon
user443346
Jesus camp :d
user443346
Made me think about South Park's bicurious camp.
Hello
Hello there
o/
hello adam, are you ok?
@Jordy no
14:36
It's amazing how much everyone cares about our dear friend Adam these days. But I also hope is Ok. He has to be Ok.
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hey adam
GODDAMIT I AM LATE AND EVERYBODY STEALS MY PUNCHLINE
@Mauker General Kenobi
who is general kenobi?
WHAT ^
14:38
adam, are you using Anko in your Kotlin endeavours?
netpork, ever thought of using Minecraft's pig as a profile pic?
Adam is using anok in kotlin
What is this joke by asking him if hes ok
I missed it
don't worry it's a cupid question anyway
user443346
Wish I could create Android apps with PHP
5
14:42
Hahahaha
THIS DOES THE ZOOMING WE WANTED OMG I'M SO HAPPY
@MuratK. it's related to the company where he works at (okcupid)
lol jordy
14:44
ah i see
@AdamMc331 awesome thanks
@AdamMc331 Yeah but... is it ok to use that lib?
murat hello is from helloworld his previous company and ok from okcupid
@AdamMc331 too bad you cannot use it because of the license
@TimCastelijns you can why not?
its apache 2
pretty free license
14:46
shush I want to make him sweat
@netpork the only Idea of that made me wanna throw up
user443346
This app relies on Crashlytics. Please sign up for access at fabric.io/sign_up.
user443346
-.-
I do what I want
@Jordy this should be a bannable offence
14:47
lmao jordy
Also, when I zoom it makes some of the bounds white instead of black and I don't like that I wonder if I can control it
I feel ill
Hack through the lib, bend it to your will
user443346
So I add this cancer plugin, signed up already - according to the site i'm done and should only build and run (+ fingers crossed, with a nice KIDDING joke behind it).
user443346
14:48
Guess what, DOESNT WORK.
edit the lib adam
@ColdFire omg! Are you serious? You just lost some nerd cred.
making android app through php is bannable offense
user443346
So I don't really see the logic here. Where do I need this Fabric for.
user443346
While Crashytics don't say a single word about Fabric.
14:49
lmao jordys message was flagged
lol, someone flagged you Jordy for wanting to use PHP
guys don't flag messages for fun
@MehdiB. that was for jordy
user443346
Wish I could also make a website with Dreamweaver
@Jordy Crashalytics is one library in a suite named Fabric
14:50
DW is fine, as long as you don't use 90% of their "features"
and got it for free
:P
And Fabric is now part of Firebase
(or is going to be)
user443346
Hmmm so how do I give myself access?
@Mauker I didn't hear about that...So google will own competing products now? Crashlytics and Google Analytics...
@AdamMc331 <3
14:53
DW is a name i haven't heard in years :D
^
@Code-Apprentice yup
@Code-Apprentice lol
> On January 2017, Fabric joined Firebase, Google's mobile development platform. Fabric and Firebase are stronger together, so we encourage you to use both of our platforms. In due time, we'll bridge the gap and give you one place to develop and grow your app.
user443346
Just bought some lamb chops, I'm hungry already.
It's on their landing page
user443346
"so we encourage you to use both of our platforms", not gonna happen
user443346
14:55
I encourage platforms to be a little more clear when it comes to documentation but obviously we can't get anything we want.
dont use fqbric and solved
user443346
Yeah can't since Crashlytics starts giving me this message:
user443346
tldr
@Mauker not yet, perhaps I will. Anyhow, it is a wonderful game with great music. I still play it while working: c418.bandcamp.com/album/minecraft-volume-alpha
MC <3
14:56
Google has still not combined AdMob and AdWords...I imagine they won't ever combine Google Analytics and Crashlytics, either.
I miss playing it

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