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01:47
@GrantThomas Welcome. Please read the room rules.
what's up @grant?
“I have read and understood the rules”
Not a lot right now, @Ahmad. Night is getting on, I ventured to SO to wind down, hadn't been in chat for a while and wound up here! Thanks for letting me in, whoever that was
How's you?
I'm actually just reading through the Help Vampires blog post linked in the rules, pretty witty
aah yah! I'm seeing your last message was 3 years ago :o
I'm good :)
haha yah we actually don't get that many help vamps nowadays
it's actually pretty strange
we used to get flooded
Yes, I used to be fairly active in a few rooms, top-level mostly, and primarily of the English "sister site"
I see you're a c# dev!
I guess it's not really conducive for help vamps in the chat rooms when they have the QA sites to run around on
01:55
what brings you in the world of android? :D
lol true
but I think most ventured off and created their own android rooms
Ah, why Android... well, it's a huge part of the future, and I was behind
there's tons of them now
it's a certainly interesting area to work in
that's for sure
plus, almost everybody is hiring android devs lol
I never really needed to develop for Android in my work, but I certainly will and would like to be able to. I'm just doing some of my own stuff now, I'm not expecting much from it other than learning and experience
sweet!
Mhm, not something I'd want missing from my resume. Plus, it's fun
01:58
this rooms pretty active around US east/west coast hours
so feel free to drop by often haha
where are you based at?
I've been using Xamarin with VS, not using the Java APIs directly. This makes it A LOT easier, when most of the "learning" is really just about the APIs and which functions are what. You know, how you can write what you know practically in your imagination... but not if you don't even know the names of functions and such, that's the real learning curve, and it could be much steeper!
I'm from and in the north of England. Yourself?
Oh, and the UI development. That's the next, harder learning curve for me (I'm not great with UIs as it is, I'm not a designer - but I love to give it a go and be able to, even if I can't make it nice and pretty)
oooh yah Xamarin!
I haven't tried it yet but I heard good things actually
the team got acquired by msft when I was still working there
and everybody was really hyped about them
All I can say for it at the minute is - without experience otherwise - it works!
I'm from berlin!
ui development is pretty hard tbh, and I'm not a big fan of it, but you can get stuff working decently if you fiddle around
Nice. I've never been, but intend to
With Xamarin, in regard to UI dev, I find there's so few composite controls
02:04
does the xamarin team translate the support libs and all that?
I know it can be pretty simple to markup your own, but it's generally not the first thing I'd like to have to attack
or how does it actually work?
To be perfectly honest, I still don't know enough of under-the-hood mechanics to answer that properly. It does provide cross-platform support: write one app, compile to three platforms, but that's not what I've been concentrating on. I'm just tinkering with Android-specific apps.
aah gotcha
yeah it looks like magic to me
anyway I'm off to bed :)
good night man!
Nighty night, and nice to met you. See you around, most likely
03:05
@TristanWiley So how's your chat app going? Can your grab a screenshot? :D Chat Exchange is going well, but we need Nathan to fix the cookies
03:49
I have to say the opening scene of the new season of GoT was very predictable...and fucking awesome!
04:05
It's going good, I'll release it soon probs
04:30
o/
In RecyclerView's adapter, should I use onBindViewHolder method to set data on viewHolder, or should I make a method in viewHolder (say setData(model, position)) and call it from onBindViewHolder?
Currently, I am setting data inside viewHolder through the method call
I think I am doing it wrong, but I don't know what gets recycled.
04:51
There should be no difference between setting the data in onBindViewHolder() and setting the data in a method called by onBindViewHolder().
as long as you do either so the setting is done in the same order compared to the rest of the logic
GM ALL :3
> a method called by onBindViewHolder()
@Code-Apprentice method is in viewHolder, no problem with that?
o/
05:07
I don't see why there would be a problem. You get the ViewHolder of the current View, right?
\o morning
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Q: Not getting application icon if not installed in device?

NirajI have an app in which i want to get application icon from package name. I am using code as mentioned below but it doen't work when app is not installed in device. Pls help me out. code:- Drawable applicationIcon = getPackageManager().getApplicationIcon("com.whatsapp"); tvWhatsapp.setC...

Is this for real?
maybe he wants to read appIcon from apk file?
If the apk file isn't installed, how would you get appIcon?
05:23
from file somehow? filebrowser shows it, right?
mornings
@Code-Apprentice Not doable
How one can get if it is not installed
that's my question
I don't think if there is any work around of it
close it
poor question
05:28
Maybe Google Play has an API to get the icon of an app. But that seems unlikely.
05:51
I don't think so
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!! :D
07:00
\o
o/
morning womper
07:21
Hiya Tim, suraj, CF!!!
How's everything?? :D
Good
How is my favorite Catalonian woman?
user443346
Morning peeps o/
user443346
Another fine day for AS to mess up my project
08:11
If i call method attachItem(Item item), where item = someArrayList.get(index);. And, make changes in ìtem from inside attachItem(Item), the changes are not reflected in someArrayList right?
This recyclerView's recycling schemes are confusing me
item = someArrayList.get(index) creates a copy, so it shouldn't
the get() method just returns the reference. If you modify the object, it will be changed in the list as well
it does not create a copy
> return (E) elementData[index];
Doc: Returns the element at the specified position in this list.
not sure where you get the "copy" idea from
Oh, so that means, if I execute get(index).setSomeVar("text"), does the variable get updated in arrayList as well?
I thought item = someArrayList.get(index) is a copy.
not sure, how this works
hastebin.com/avoranemib.java something like this
08:34
o/
08:50
@rupinderjeet yes
09:05
o/
@W0MP3R not good :(
o/
whats up Coldy?
\o on holiday CF?
went to my hometown no internet there so wasnt online
my mac suddenly didnt boot one day took it to apple care centre they are saying 90% its a logic board issue which in turn is 2/3 the cost of laptop
also no chance of data recovery
fuck them
09:15
no warranty?
its 2 1/2 year old so out of warranty
@ColdFire HDD dead?
user443346
@ColdFire What did you expect when you bought a shitty mac, apple care always screws you over and let you even pay €150 for just resetting a shitbook to factory settings. Still asking myself the question why people bother buying a macbook for coding
@RaghavSood no idea
They work reasonably well, and are reliable under warranty
Though the murder of ports is a deal breaker for me
09:19
mine one was SSD model
so must be sholdered something
Should be alive, unless you absolutely electrocuted the whole thing
@Jordy well i bought it as a spare laptop and for coding IOS
well yeah i think it should be alive
i didnt even touch it
2015 models should be soldered onto mobo yes
i just got dead on its own
user443346
@ColdFire For coding IOS is a legit reason, but still.. wouldn't a mini mac be a better solution? Either way, your SSD should still be working.
09:21
mine was 2014 tho Tim
user443346
Apple care just wants to get payed as usual
yeah i think so too SSD must be alive
yeah she opened there was no visible damage at all on the laptop
user443346
I'm not sure if you can easily remove it.. never tried, but if you can -> do it.
I wish I had a macbook. Developing on windows is a pain in the ass
i am not sure wtf happened
user443346
09:22
@TimCastelijns Lol, thats because of the user :P never ever had issues because of Windows.
Yeah, but the rest of us are actually developers, Jordy :D
I am used to command line stuff from ubuntu and macos, can't work with windows
@TimCastelijns you know you don't actually have to use Windows for dev if you don't have a Macbook? Install a linux distro
all the developer tools are for ubuntu, not compatible with windows
Not all off the shelf computers play well with Linux
09:23
or are you forced to use windows?
meh i prefer windows except for those annoying virus windows get corrupted easily
If my PC didn't work well with Linux, I'd ask for a new PC
user443346
Yeah well, if you're a developer you know it's a bullshit reason to code on a MacBook while you're webdeveloper or creating Android apps. It doesn't give you any advantage whatsoever. @TimCastelijns Use PowerShell or change to a Linux distro indeed.
Elementary OS is nice
does linux support unity3d?
09:24
jordy Mac OS is actually better than windows in many ways tho
I use a Mac because it gives me all the *nix tools, has pretty good build quality, and generally works. OS X doesn't require constant baby sitting to keep stable
user443346
What's better?
Although, if they don't resurrect the ports by the time I replace this one, I'm moving to a Linux laptop
that's what I mean raghav
@RaghavSood can the data of soldered SSD be recovered right?
user443346
09:25
MacOS is just a simplified OS so everyone knows how to use it. That's not better, that's just an improvement for elder people and IT-noobs.
If you can get it out and then find an adapter, sure
You could say the exact same thing for Windows
that's very stereotypical jordy
user443346
But its true
Yeah I wouldn't say it's simplified
it's subjective
09:26
I found it confusing
user443346
@MarkO'Sullivan Maybe iOS is a better example
Though I've never used a mac before I got my own macbook
iOS sucks and should burn in hell
That's down to opinion
I don't know how to use an iPhone but found it easy to pick up an Android phone all those years ago
user443346
Well iOS is indeed a simplified OS to make it usable for elder people.
09:27
but is there a adapter for that raghav?
I dislike using iOS so much I've given away ever iOS device I've ever got
user443346
If my granddad asked me to buy a smartphone for him, I would recommend him an iPhone.
Sure, but they're not easy to find
not me, I don't want to rip off my grandparents
yup ios is shit
user443346
09:27
Well, its not a ripoff if you have to help them 24/7 because Android is to advanced
@Jordy my mum could use her Android tablet + phone but struggles more with her iPhone I think
ok so i have hope of getting my data recovered
now the cost :/
Old People will use whatever they learn once
user443346
@MarkO'Sullivan Mine switched to the S8, took her 5 months to figure out how the menu's work
If you teach them to use Android and hand them an iPhone, they're never going to figure it out
09:28
@Jordy was she using iPhone before?
user443346
@MarkO'Sullivan Yeah, iPhone 5 back in the days.
can't believe the nonsense you can score points for stackoverflow.com/a/45186141/1843331
@Jordy that's why, she's been used to one system and she went to another completely new one
lol nice Tim
Well you answered the question :D
user443346
09:31
Well, look at the differences in menus inside an app. @Apple: Back -> Next, in Android you have to search your ass of because it totally depends on the developer. There is no consistency
I have been wanting a macbook for a while now, but I just cannot justify paying 2799eu for a semi decent model
^
the price is the issue
user443346
And indeed Tim, the prices are insane
also consider the repair cost
also in iOS every app looks the same because you are not allowed to deviate from the design guidelines
09:32
just in case if a minor scratch
user443346
Rather spend the 2800 eu on a monster laptop / pc
^
but I don't have 2800eu :P
user443346
Same :p but my pc is already semi-monster
user443346
ok its a monster
user443346
but still looking for a decent render/gaming laptop
09:33
mine one is good for 2014 games
tho latest games suffer
my laptop was a monster when I bought it. 7 years ago. Still use it 16h per day
If I sell my Macbook Pro I could get the same amount of money back which I paid for it
but it's wearing off
I sell mine a couple of months before the warranty runs out and replace it
Usually get 80-90% back
^ should do that
09:45
i see raghav is nominating for mod election this year
^
I see also
so to whom you are going to cast your vote ?
you have 3 votes
havent thought about that yet
nathan most likely will get my 1st, unless a better candidate comes in
Yep
He is very active
09:51
yup
What do you see while casting vote to guy
also from personal experience I know him to be patient and fair no matter the situation
In the final phase of the election there are a select group of candidates left who are presented in a randomly ordered list like answers below a question, then you click on the icon next to their row to vote
you have a 1st 2nd and 3rd vote to give, and you can change your mind before confirming your votes
@RaghavSood I got another 2 years or so of warranty
Might try and do that, sell it 6 months before warranty goes then use the money from selling it to get a new one
10:27
o/
@ColdFire how so? D:
1 hour ago, by Cold Fire
my mac suddenly didnt boot one day took it to apple care centre they are saying 90% its a logic board issue which in turn is 2/3 the cost of laptop
read from here :(
@SomdipDey hey! did you finally find a way?
10:45
dropped my phone today and now it doesn't work
great start to the morning
was it a oneplus?
nah nexus 6p
nobody can repair it either which is annoying
I think if you had it for less than 2h
thank god i'm a developer and there are bunch of test phones in the office
it's still covered by the warranty
10:47
2 hours...?
2years...
i thought it was 1 year
if bought from Google play I remember it was 2 years
I returned my Nexus 5 once (the screen didn't work anymore)
I remember that if I had bought it from LG it was 1 year and from Google play it was 2 years
After 3 weeks I got a reconditioned device
hmm will find out
you're right it's 2 years
thanks for the tip!
nope. I still followed the same backdoor trick: turn the brigtness = 0 and then wait till the screen switch off as per system settings.
Things we developers have to do for production level! :X
if anyone wants to see 1h and 20min of the biggest political scandal of spain, it has subtitles: youtube.com/watch?v=v_RpRIDvB2Y
it's been banned on the gov-run tv's.
@MehdiB. @MehdiB. Did you get around it in a more efficient way?
@SomdipDey hahaha! no, I had completely forgot about it until my client pinged me this morning asking me why he still sees the lower bar of the phone (back / home) :D
11:15
Lol this moderator application
XD
this answer XD
> How do I know the loop is already in main? Because I assigned you this homework.
more than a year between Q and A...
> You requested a page in Russian (Русский), but your language preference for this site is Vietnamese (tiếng Việt).
2
developer.google.com always doing weird shit with my languages
Oh man.... What a way to start the day...... I didn't sleep well and I have a splitting headache :\
11:30
welcome to most of my days :D
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A: Transferring reputation to another user by rewarding bounties

Raghav SoodReputation is meant to be earned, not given. So if you're knowingly posting a question, having a friend answer it, and giving him a bounty to give him a boost on his new account, I believe this to be against the rules. You might get away with a couple of times, but soon enough someone will notice...

nice Raghav
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looooool
hahahaha
shitty quality but good story
11:47
from the 4chan screenshots I see on reddit or imgur, it's definitely a website I don't wanna visit :D
4chan can be fun even without the posted porn
but it can also be damn disturbing
I tried to navigate there once and I didn't find anything but porn, so decided not to come back XD
you probably represent a tiny fraction of the male population
hahaha
12:06
Lunch time~~ :3
12:45
always lovely to do financial stuff with floating point numbers
I answered not one, but two questions today. I am on FIRE
nice!! :D
back btw
x'D
13:36
@TimCastelijns 🔥🔥🔥
I got some new found inspiration to end the everlasting journey to gold badge
I will get my next gold by upvoting the next question
which one will it be
Just kidding, don't vote on it. It reminds me of vengeful sourpusses I have met on SO. Always fun to engage with them
you downvote me? I downvote you! that kind of thing
13:49
Yup this happens quite a lot actually. If you downvote someone and leave a comment on why you did so - that guy will go on your profile and run wild.
14:03
oh nice got my gold badge vor downvoting a question
> proud member of so
nice murat. Is it electorate?
Woah
Raghav was nuked
Yes, but know I lost my Unsung Hero badge
:/
hm it's there but I does not show up in my badge overview
man SO is playing with my feelings today
.
@Ahmad My God.
14:09
it's good rigght
yeah haha
what do you mean murat? I can see it
Hm there it is, but not Electorate
badges can take a bit to be awarded
Allright, so I can stay hyped until it arrives
14:13
tag score for example is calculated every night at 3 am or something, so you won't see those until next day, but badges for question views etc are awarded right away because the view counter is frequently updated
tim, you saw the new realm video
android studio is wicked pissah :)
nah man I just linked it here
I only watch the videos that interest me
it seems that "pissah" is a good thing
parcelable is faster than serializeable
14:25
yeah but he is trying to set a serializable
not that it matters. They are both bad
in this case at least
yup it is faster
but not fast enough
it is faster to use realm and put the model ID in the bundle
14:41
Hey guysss
Tim - and the retrieval delay? unnoticeable on the second activity?
Hey Tristan
How's it going Mehdi?
It is near instantaneous
yo tristan
Hey CF
I'm so close to finishing the beta of ChatSE
Anyone wanna help?
14:44
it's going good! I've noticed that Todo lists help me focus and be motivated to work
Sweet!
TODO lists are always a good idea :)
ChatSE?
Chat app for Stackoverflow/Stackexchange chats
Aka this
he looks weary and defeated
14:56
You might want to add google play services for google sign in
Unfortunately there's no way to login via Google officially
for the chat app
<string name="log_in_with_google">Log in With Google</string>
we are being lied to
@TristanWiley What do you need help with?
@TimCastelijns Yeah I got rid of that. You need to log in and get the cookies from the website so we can access the Websockets and yeah.
what do you mean there is no offical login?
14:59
@HappyCoding There's a lot of work that can be done. If you want to build a UI that lets you search for rooms and join them that'd be awesome. Or if you want to do more in depth stuff we can schedule a call and I can walk you through the entire app.
@MuratK. StackExchange doesn't really do much to support the chat, hence why we need an unofficial app. Unfortunately.

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