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user457812
22:01
That depends on the kind of VM you're talking about.
Virtual machines
Maybe you should just get an implant. they are expensive and it takes about a year to get it all finished but it's worth it if the tooth is too far gone. I have one and it's quite nice.
user457812
Still depends on what kind you're talking about, since some people just assume VM means only the things you spin up for emulating an OS installation
user457812
I'd prefer not to have to get an implant when I don't have money
My machine dual boots Win 7/8.1, I want to run the actual install of Win7 IN Win8
user457812
22:03
Wrong type of VM.
Well i'm out for the day. I will see you all later.
Know of anybody on here that could help me do it?
user457812
No.
Rats
Double Rats
user457812
I write VMs, like the one used by Lua or the JVM.
22:05
Thanks anyways
Oh....
Do you know if it's possible to do?
Parallels does it, but Mac only
user457812
Probably in theory, but I would probably not bother.
Hi
In OS X, it's VERY handy...I use it quite often.
I put the dock on the side, and the taskbar on the bottom...LOVE it!
how's it going Emm?
how'd day 2 go?
22:21
has anyone had any experience with Parse
Hey Carl
sorry I was afk
It was really good
Emmanuel has, Lucky
o/
Congrats man
It was much faster than yesterday
I have lucky
i know ha
22:22
That's what I said
tomorrow is the "big" day
because we actually start coding
or at least, we start learning Android basics
user457812
So it's not the day when you cut people's toes off with bolt cutters..
not yet
user457812
Maybe that's just interns
I will be working with interns for the next 2 months
I am really glad that this one intern is not on my team
LOL
22:24
lol
does he remind you of codeMagic or something? :D
well sort of
but you can put up with cM
That's terrible!
this guy almost starting yelling at the Agile coach
Hey...wait a minute
he told him
"so basically what we learn today is all wrong then..."
22:26
Why did he say that?
cM you're only 70 points behind me now
"Wrong" or "Rong"?
F you, Carl
I mean...I know, you're doing really good, buddy
he said that because the Agile coach was making a point that one shouldn't do more than what the story says
and we were directed to create a zoo using LEGOs based on stories we previously wrote
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Serious question...
22:28
and this guy did more than what the story said
Do they have zoos in Mexico?
user457812
Everyone should just be glad they don't have to work with me.
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Mexico as a whole is a zoo cM
Best thing nil has ever said
22:29
I am glad for that everyday of my life, nil
we are nil, we are.
user457812
Particularly your agile coach. I'd have thrown him out a window.
Because you don't like zoos?
you are a one person team nil
user457812
Because you don't tell me not to do what I want with lego.
22:30
defenestration is frowned upon in Agile
because I am Mexican cM and we do not have zoos apparently
I meant why nil would have thrown the coach out the window
I know you like zoos, Emm
We have a free zoo here in STL
and it is pretty good
user457812
I already explained why I'd chuck the coach out a window
user457812
The other reason being that it's incredibly narrow-sighted on his part to say "stick to the story"
user457812
22:32
That sort of illogic is the bullshit that gets us security holes.
well I guess this "simulations" (as they call them) have to be ran a certain way
when do you get your tracking implant?
like everything, Agile sounds really well in theory, but in practice it is probably full of inconsistencies
user457812
Basically, I don't like rigidity. Rigidity is the death of productivity.
user457812
If you want to get things done, you need to be prepared to do things you didn't plan for.
user457812
22:35
Ergo, your coach sucks.
being prepared to adapt is one of the pillars of Agile
this is just one particular "simulation"
Agile is all about flexibility and adapting to change
user457812
A simulation fails if it discourages pushing the bounds of the simulation.
user457812
I still insist that your coach sucks.
he sucks nil, he does
well at least nil is not your coach
user457812
22:38
Also, is he paid as a dedicated coach?
user457812
Like, is that his only job, agile tutoring?
why do you care?, you already stated that he sucks
user457812
Because your work isn't agile tutoring.
user457812
Is this going to actually benefit you or are you going to go through the motions until they stop making you?
working FOR nil is whole different level of misery than WITH
22:39
my company is an Agile company
user457812
It's tedious to see you not question any of this.
I do not question it because it is company policy to do Agile at an Agile company
this is just a training
user457812
That seems like a really silly reason to not question it.
user457812
I don't mean going up to the coach and asking how he'd apply it to software engineering
user457812
I mean just asking about what you've learned
user457812
22:42
You need to be less defensive towards me just because I'm critical of agile stuff and your coach.
user457812
You aren't your coach and you don't need to defend agile or your company.
I need to be how you want me to be?
user457812
I'm saying you need to be who you are, not your company and its policies.
I am who I am, I just follow what the company thinks is best for them
Agile is something I have never done
I am just starting to learn it
user457812
But do you think it's best?
user457812
22:43
You, not the company, you specifically the person who is a software engineer
they know what it is best for them, otherwise they will not be doing it
user457812
Do they?
user457812
Or did a manager hear agile and get sold on it by someone who sells agile consulting?
they have decided Agile is what they want to do
user457812
Do you believe every decision they make is rational?
22:44
my company is not only a company that confines to Agile practices, they are the Agile consultants of the area
they provide Agile training to other companies
user457812
Ah, so they're the marketing people.
user457812
At any rate, I hope you'll stop taking my questioning of your company's policy or your coach's simulation personally.
user457812
You're neither of them.
I would say Emm hasn't had nearly enough time or exposure to Agile processes to be able to form an opinion on whether it's a good idea or not.
^
I am experimenting this for the first time
I am 2 days into a training
user457812
22:46
I'd also say he's too quick to take any criticism of anything he's involved in personally.
so why question him?
Furthermore he's at a job that he's just starting and wants to make a good impression. Questioning every single management decision before you've proven your worth is a good way to get shown the exit door pretty quick
user457812
You don't have to voice the question to ask it.
user457812
You just have to think.
user457812
You act the way they want because you want the job, that's fine, but don't make the job into who you are.
22:48
I really like the place, the people so far, the office space, the mentality
user457812
You don't need to be the employee in the Android room, is what I'm saying.
Emm just enjoy the fact that you have a job as a dev
it is impossible to say that a job doesn't in some way affect who you are
because you learn things at a job that can potentially change the way you go about things
you are extremely condescending nil and that is why he takes it personally
user457812
Impossible, yes, but you seem like the sort to go well past letting it affect you to the point that you might actually become its preacher.
22:50
O.o
you are actually telling him how to think..."I'd also say he's too quick to take any criticism of anything he's involved in personally."
so you are kind of a hypocrit
"I seem the kind..."
user457812
We're all hypocrites, so that's easy to get out of the way.
since when you and I sit down and talk
what makes you think you know me at all?
nil you're way out in left field here. Your position is so flabbergasting I can't even begin to counter it, let alone comprehend it.
user457812
22:51
You're right, I am being a dick. Sorry.
user457812
I unfortunately dislike it when nobody's critical of their (potential) employer.
I am 2 days into a new job
so far I am liking it
I do not have enough data to criticize them
Not just a new job but a new career so that makes it even harder to be critical
people seem really nice
user457812
You're playing with lego. I'd be critical of that.
22:54
there is nothing wrong with playing with lego
if it gets a point across
Critical? I'd be ecstatic!
all these "simulations" are results of significant amounts of research
user457812
@codeMagic He's playing with lego and being told he can't do what he wants with the lego. That's not something to be ecstatic over.
user457812
What research?
there is ton of research about Agile and Agile practices
22:56
Maybe, but I didn't get to play with legos today (let alone get paid for it)
there is a lot of theory around Agile
user457812
Who paid for the research?
user457812
Have you read it?
wow nil
what's your big beef with Agile?
user457812
The simulations might work but let's not get ahead of ourselves by just believing someone about research.
user457812
22:57
Agile is an industry.
user457812
Agree or disagree?
Agile is an idea, a process, and an industry
user457812
I'll put it another way: there are businesses that exist solely to tell you to do things the Agile way.
user457812
I don't like that.
user457812
I really, really don't like that.
22:58
and there are businesses that exist solely to tell you to do things differently than what you're doing - they're called consulting companies
user457812
And I disagree with plenty of them as well.
my company is an Agile consulting company as well as a developing shop
user457812
I am fine with the idea and the process, but I want to see the industry burned to the ground and salted.
that's fine, but there are plenty of companies out there that don't have their shit together, and consulting companies actually help them
I bought my truck from a company that only sells automobiles. Should I hate automobiles?
user457812
23:00
Probably mildly concerned, yeah, considering the problems Tesla's had.
user457812
You kind of picked an easy target there.
I'm not sure who you are talking to...
user457812
You.
I didn't say anything about electric cars. Isn't that what they make?
23:01
nil, what is wrong with taking an idea or process for optimization and selling it?
user457812
I mean, really, do you want car dealers to be the only ones able to sell cars?
Umm...yeah, kinda
I don't want to by a truck from McDonalds
user457812
So you don't want to be able to buy a car directly from the manufacturer?
user457812
Tesla is currently not allowed to sell the cars it manufactures because car dealers had laws put in place to stop them.
Sure, that would be ok but how the fuck did we get here?
Just because the manufacturer doesn't want to sell them directly doesn't mean I should hate trucks
user457812
23:02
You asked about cars, do you not want to talk about cars?
user457812
No, no, no.
I will talk about cars if you want
Just not sure it's making the point
user457812
It's not that the manufactuer doesn't want to sell them — the car dealers made it illegal.
I think we fell into a well somewhere along the trip
user457812
I think you picked a bad analogy.
user457812
23:03
One that doesn't even remotely hold up under scrutiny since not a single human being likes car dealers.
Assuming you are correct, that doesn't mean I should hate the product itself...just the people selling them
user457812
And I never said to hate the product itself.
I don't not like car dealers
user457812
4 mins ago, by nil
I am fine with the idea and the process, but I want to see the industry burned to the ground and salted.
nil, what is wrong with a consulting company
23:05
Wouldn't it be better to see it changed instead of burned to the ground?
nil, I am going to take the liberty to give you a piece of advice. You and I are around the same age and one thing I learned during my short work career (in my 2 previous jobs which were not in related fields) is that you need to be willing to let yourself learn from the environment where you work. Learn from people. Learn from mistakes. More importantly be open to learn from things and people from which you originally feel skeptical
user457812
@CarlAnderson Question's too broad.
here you are trying to defend a point and you have not even held a real job for more than a year
user457812
Emmanuel, I already do that.
Sorry, Carl, your question has been closed
user457812
23:06
The only thing I want you to be is skeptical.
there are things you learn
you went a little overboard expressing that opinion I think
user457812
I want every person on this planet to be skeptical of what they believe and what other people tell them to believe.
or that you will have to wait to learn when you get a job and actually interact with peers
user457812
@CarlAnderson That happens a lot.
23:07
@nil that style might be fun, and it might make you feel good, but it doesn't produce very fruitful results.
is that to me Carl?
user457812
Less fun and more frustrating because nobody ever knows what I'm doing.
user457812
So instead everyone just gets mad.
user457812
Anyway, have to go to the dentist.
23:11
yuck. Well hope they fix the bite issue or whatever it is
user457812
Hopefully.
Just posted my first question in a while.
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Q: Where do I access the Online Contracts Introduction?

Adam SIn the Online Contracts App accessed from the in-game smart phone, there are two modes ("Online Tailing" and "Online Hacking"). I assume these are the modes where other players can jump into my live game, or I can jump into theirs. These modes both say "Complete Online Contracts Introduction to ...

Games r hard.
what the heck is watch-dogs?
Pretty much the biggest game launch of 2014.
I had a daughter in 2009, and another one in 2010.. I pretty much haven't been up to speed on games since then
I was pretty good at Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2
23:20
Heh.
these days if it isn't turn-based or pausable I pretty much can't play it

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