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19:00
wait... I just caught up.... who in the fuck would want to eat IN the funeral home?!
that isn't normal...
apparently my aunt
so let her eat there - you all goto chillis
that is just kinda morbid if you ask me
"Tales from the Crypt"
hahaha
a not so good horror movie can come out of that dinner
19:04
no shit...
how is it that I have write access to the Smart Developers chat room?
Apparently you're super cool
lol
So that's why you got so many votes haha
> alignParentBottom="true"
why didn't I think of this
19:13
LOL
I am going to request my access to be revoked
in Smart Developers' Lab, 12 secs ago, by Emmanuel
Please, can an owner revoke my write access to this room. Thanks.
No flag so far
why they should flag that?
not offensive
Holy crap! Damn near every message in there is a ping! That's funny
there is a little bit of "I don't like you" in that message
they know that
19:20
Down to 59 errors for those of you keeping count...which should be all of you
Wasn't it them that were flagging messages in here?
yeah
and they told codeMagic and I not to go there to make fun of them
yet they let me in...
Nobody there right now
Indian office hours are over
It's funny how their room dies so sudden
I have no idea why a lot of Indian folks are like this
Even at work I get stupid emails
19:27
lol...
like one chick mailed me with a NetworkOnMainThread exception
this is embarrassing
May 16 '13 at 14:20, by WarrenFaith
@E.Odebugg denied. You have low reputation and based on this answer you have no clue how SO works...
She said she used AsyncTasks
you know how she 'used' the AsyncTask?
let us guess
called the long running task on onPostExecute()?
new ConnectionTask(). doInBackground(..);
19:28
nice
Warren denied access to me like 2 times
lol
I really wanted to reply with RTFM
is that rude?
the F is rude
Who is E.Odebugg?
me!
I used to be
19:31
I would have told her to try placing new Thread(){} in doInBackground() so it runs on a background Thread
Until you got denied twice?
glorious day
Sep 3 '13 at 22:26, by Raghav Sood
@E.Odebugg Welcome! Please read the room rules and try not to ping in every message
TIL theres a linux version of Sublime Text
I should have assumed...
btw the transparent activity totally worked well.
if anyone cared (no one cares)
I care
19:34
:)
I needed a dialog to appear, independent of which activity was in the foreground.
Standout is a good library for that sort of thing
broadcast > received by active activity > dialog. ugly code, messes with activity state, code duplication, etc but you wouldn't need a transparent activity
only works if you control the active activity
yep, that library looks interesting. Reading code, wondering what they do with a service
19:48
@zapl to do that it would have to have convoluted logic to send the message to the correct activity, and wouldn't be extensible. Clearly the transparent activity is optimal :D
I am starting to sound like a vet :P
register for events onstart, unregister onstop in every one and you should get messages only to the active one
How is that better?
I don't know :)
zapl, do you use the Facebook login button? I can't remember
not to mention you might hit a race condition as your transitioning between activities
19:50
no facebook for me
Transitions should work but you're right I hereby withdraw my proposal
^ keep binding to a service while transitioning / recreating activites is roughly the same deal
heh
ugh this is so messed up. Merely showing the Facebook login button is enough to log me in right now
Is there a way to get IntelliJ's dracula theme for Sublime text?
If I had a dollar for every time someone complained about the Facebook sdk
20:06
nice thanks!
hmm I've searched but found nothing :/
I've just searched "IntelliJ's darcular theme for Sublime text" without " even
That's a Dracula color scheme
Not darcula ;)
Arr you're right
@skripted Welcome. Please read the room rules.
user986408
20:10
@Ahmad thanks :)
*you must acknowledge that blue is prettier than yellow to keep your write access
user986408
well, it definitely is, no questions
phew, welcome aboard.
\o/
user986408
20:13
thanks o/
Yay it worked
The default theme was getting hard to work with
the colors are too bright imo
welcome to the smart ass room
better than the dumb ass room
I've concluded that I don't like dark after a few minutes trying AS
why? it's awesome
I like it very much
20:18
Because!
I can't code with white background any more, hurts my eyes after a while
yellowish
lol
make everything pink and yellow
best theme idea!
someone tell nil
Nil is working on an awesome theme editor app for ST. So, soon I'll make it reality.
I'll make sure to change the font to comic sans, if that's possible
And make it all glittery
20:24
comic sans makes everything better
Definitely
lol
wow
              such idea
  much glitter
                         very comic sans
          definitely
2
@FoamyGuy wait what?
user457812
@FoamyGuy I'm pretty sure it's not possible to change UI graphics in those, plus I can't use notepad++ and I don't touch eclipse.
20:25
what do people have against yellow?
why the prejudice towards us lemons?
lol
lemons are yummy
but blue is prettier
Too bright for eyes, that aren't used to daylight
user457812
@Ahmad Also, the color scheme editor is more or less finished.
cool
Where/How are you going to publish it?
user457812
Yellow's a good color for keywords and comments in code.
:( lemonmeme redesign is heavy yellow
yellow is a terrible collor
#FFFFE4 is the perfect randomly chosen window background color I've set across all windows
20:29
@rlemon mostly just we were talking about something earlier and someone mentioned that blue was prettier than yellow. I agree with this, and I proposed that we add it to the rules that new users have to acknowledge this in order to keep their write access... foamyguy.com/rulesPetition
aww Octavian is no longer hosting the rules ?
too much inactivity?
Octavian is not even an owner anymore I think
nope
ohh well. He was MIA from the JS room for a long time as well
seems to be back every few days now
user457812
I control the rules at the moment and foamy's petition is quashed.
but the vote was 800,000 to 0 in favor
20:34
poo is yellow
it's blue if you drink enough coolaid
user457812
I vetoed it.
user457812
Votes mean nothing to my veto power.
I have a phone interview for an Android development position. Should be interesting.
20:36
let's see if they ask you for 10+ years of experience
lol
I run the JS room rules.
the power is addicting
user457812
I had a recruiter give me a C++ quiz yesterday.
LOL, that would be quite entertaining...
someone asked me for 3+ years of pure Android experience
user457812
It wasn't terribly complicated, but I have a feeling everyone using Java would fail it
20:37
"hrm.. I don't like when people do XYZ - patch the rules - done"
I guess if you get into Java with Android it'd almost work for 10 years as a possibility...
3+ years of pure Android... Wow... I can say I played with the android SDK 3 years ago, does that count?
even Gosling, nil?
probably given the lack of technical skill of the recruiter
user457812
I mean people who do not use C++.
rephrase: even Gosling using Java, nil?
I had some reject me a year ago because I didn't have 7 years of android experience.
user457812
20:39
After all, how many of you know how to write to stdout before hitting the program entrypoint in C++?
nil: Can you post the survey link/ results on the room rules?
user457812
I'll think about it. The feedback thing was mostly useless, so I'm thinking I'll just retire it.
hey all.
well that is insane Pyrodante
LOL, 7 years of Android experience... Did you tell them it's only been around for, what, 4 years?
20:40
7 years of Android experience?
nil: correct, no idea
tssee I've got 15
Hey ed
Ahmad you are barely 15...
user457812
@zapl Answer's simple: create a global variable for a class that writes to stdout on initialization
20:41
LOL!
I have 2 years of solid programming experience, 3 years of playing with Android as a hobby.
user457812
The global has to be initialized before hitting main
I told them "I am sorry, I do not have that much Android Experience, I only have four. However, I would like to warn you that anyone you find that does have that much experience is lying" They hung up on me
user457812
Or at least that's my understanding of it
Lying, or Google employees...
user457812
20:42
I've done a few things like that to do allocation tracking and such when debugging
I think I could technically argue having about 5 years of Android experience
you might be able to have ad 7 years at this point if you worked at Android before google acquired it
yeah... but I don't think Romain Guy wants their shitty 6 month contract in NJ
20:42
oooh, actually google acquired in 05
9 years.
:O
truth
Or you could be Andy Rubin
if you include this year.
recruiters that do not look to see if the requirements are even feasible should be punished
20:43
November 2007 was the start date of public beta.
I was trying to be helpful!
they did not see it that way
You probably didn't want to work for them anyways then, if that's the kind of recruiter they hire.
I didn't
I like my job now
20:44
How do you even prepare for an actual Android interview too many classes and shit
I'm not quite sure why I applied for the place I did, I guess I'm really just curious if I could actually make a living building Android apps.
You could create porn wallpapers. Apparently they get like millions of downloads. Should be enough to make a living.
You make sure you understand intents, the 4 components, and understand Asynctasks
My theory with most programming languages these days: You don't need to know how to do any specific feature. You just need to know what is available, or have a decent idea of it.
4 components?
Services, Activities, BroadcastRecievers, and ContentProviders
20:45
^
you could always apply here if you want :D
Hmmmm. I'm in trouble then... I understand Activities well, am starting to understand Broadcast Receivers, but I really don't know anything about Services or ContentProviders...
Maybe I know something about Services...
Where do you work?
Actually, I always kind of wanted to work for the NSA, but the NRO is closer both to my current job and location...
Content providers are shit
but you should know what a service is
like... you really should
20:48
I know what a service is to some extent, but not really.
What is the difference between an Activity and a Service?
I've used a few of them before, like for Add In purchases and Blutooth.
Why would you use one over another?
really, are those the types of questions they ask?
I would be:
Activities display stuff, Services don't.
20:49
probably and it makes sense to know
"if I need to run a long task I set minSdkVersion=11 or change the Thread policy"
They may not ask it, but if they do, and you don't have an answer, you are almost for sure not advancing
a plain service is actually not about threads
I know
20:50
they are always on the UI Thread
Services are used for non-user facing data, like Add-in products, Bluetooth, etc, where you are the application needs to interface a system or similar tool, but not interface with the user directly.
Hmmm... I guess I'm going to look up what the difference is...
but that would be my answer on long running tasks
particularly, but not exclusively, if the action is outside of any given activities lifecycle.
.. which you can do without service as well
Actually, I did fairly well, for not knowing what I was talking about...
20:51
I think zapl is the 7+ year experience guy
Where would you put it then @zapl
A Service is an application component that can perform long-running operations in the background and does not provide a user interface. Another application component can start a service and it will continue to run in the background even if the user switches to another application.
the example I give is media playback for a service
background there is a "tricky" word
I wouldn't because you loose the lifecycle part and android may kill your app if you don't tell it that you do something by using a service
20:53
I created a bookmarklet to fix the rules page... gist.github.com/anonymous/8696807
you can set the service to a high priority and preserve it with an notification.
or set it to sticky
Good work, Foamy!
I was going to say that, but feared to be wrong and get zaplscolded for my incompetence
downloading a file is a good one for services too
also maintaining location information as you navigate around an app
20:55
rlemons mere presence gave me the javascript-fu necessary to pull it off.
anywho
I use LocalBroadcastReceivers for my database to notify other parts of the app that the data has changed.
I haven't used a full blown BroadcastReceiver yet, but I'm working towards it.
I have one for push notifications
that is a good thing Pearson
20:58
when life gives you rlemons, make javascript?
4
It's actually in the bit of code that I sent them as a code sample.
user457812
When life gives you rlemons, run for the hills, he's viral
LocalBroadcastReceiver only broadcasts locally and you avoid IPC overhead
Actually, I really should change some of things I'm doing in my code to use LocalBroadcastReceivers instead of the Observer/Subject system I've got in place. It'd make it a bit easier to manage some of the data flow, and might save some power usage in my app.
remember if they ask what a fragment is, swear stand up and slap them
that is the correct response
21:01
hehe
user457812
If you find someone who doesn't like fragments, you hunt them down, you find them, and you end them
I have come around to fragments
although there is still a few very annoying oddities I am running into
Currently I have a network subject/observer pattern set up, where if one part of my app opens a network connection, then it triggers an update to the rest of my app to use the network connection, since it's available.
Emm do you have an interview or something?
21:02
Fragments are nice when they work
when, so they basically suck most of the time
What are fragments?
The problem I have is there is some super rare condition that will allow one of the lower stack fragments to come above the current one showing both-ish
LOL. Wrong answer.
I kind of hope that they question some of the poor things that I did in the code I sent them, and I can tell them that in the last week I learned the error of my ways and fixed the problems.
Real men don't fix fragment issues in their code, they make an Android patch
... to remove the Fragment class from Android
eek, network connections are much pain
21:16
So EVE made mainstream news again
at least when they should persist throughout the lifetime of your app
what did they say about it, pyro?
user457812
spifftastic.net/schemer-pkg ⇐ Oh, right, if anyone on Mac OS wants to screw with my color scheme editor, there's a package.
user457812
EVE made mainstream news for being full of nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr… 3 hours later …rrrrrrrrrrrrrrds
The most expensive fight in history was 2 days ago
$300,000 USD in losses
EVE taught the world to always pay your bills :D
21:20
lol
I used to play EVE back in... 2006
I play now :D
I've read something about not paying a rent but how / why do you have to pay rent and why isn't that automatic?
zapl, wars are fought over such questions
I was in ASCN when CYVOK lost the first Titan to BOB
So, Alliances in null sec have to pay monthly to maintain their claim of Sovereignty. It SHOULD be automatic, but either do to espionage or silliness it wasn't
who receives rent? players or the game?
21:23
So because the bill wasn't paid, the enemy could swoop in uncontested into the system and steal it from the owners.
Its a sink, the sov bill is to the game
oh ok
CONCORD requires payment to recognize sovereignty, or something like that.
cryptic looking words :D
wait, you can pay $$ for eve money but you can't go vice versa?
Iceland has to have some way to pay its debts
21:26
right
you can convert real life money into isk indirectly
you can buy game time with real money and then sell it to other players for isk
so therefor those players are funding their account through in game currency
does the company that runs it clamp down on secondary market?
i.e. if I meet you in oh lets say the android chat room on SO, and I offer you $30 on paypal for some equivalent amount of isk will they try to prevent that transaction?
nope
nor will they arbitrate if I rip you off
in fact, they encourage ripping each other off
or a step further if I run a website that straight up offers to give real cash for isk?
will they try to cut off that site?
21:30
there is usually a legal problem with taking down websites because ingame goods are not covered by real world trade or whatever laws
the MMOs of the past always used to try their best to shut down services that converted between in game currency and real dollars
(everquest is really the only one I had direct experience with)
you could still find places, but throughout the months/years they would always change names/sites as the old ones got shut down
they do but I can't remember a case where they would shut down such a site, kicking player / farmers because they violate the TOS
user457812
NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR… 9 hours later …RRRRRRRRRRRRRRDS
Hmm ok, maybe they have a way to do that
you need +9 stamina to keep saying that for so long
user457812
I have a ring of endurance +4.
user457812
21:35
And a talking sword.
there is an 8hr twitch tv video with a guy commentating the fight
I'm watching something now, much lag
user457812
Gots a cockatiel.
user457812
It is preening my beard.
The company I'm interviewing with: savvyapps.com
21:51
looks nice and luisdelarosa.com/2012/11/13/… might be intersting for you
if you get the gig suggest to them that their mobile site probably shouldn't just horizontally shrink the images on their home page
makes them look all squished and out of proportion.
LOL.
Maybe I should just mention that in the interview? Could help...
because "Luis is the Director of Technology for savvy apps." stackoverflow.com/users/1174526/louielouie
Interesting...
This will be the first time I've ever used Stack Overflow as a real resource in applying for a job.
I got my job from careers.stackexchange :D
21:59
I never thought much of it as a resource, but I got contacted out of the blue a few months back by someone who found me through SO
definitely plan to include it in the resume if I find myself looking for a job

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