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7:38 AM
HI everyone I need help in deeplinking
i want to open a app with text link and if there is no app then open it from playstore with a token passed in link

how to set deeplink, please help
 
 
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9:42 AM
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10:04 AM
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Aug 6 '20 at 19:53, by Mehdi
This room is quieter than bb's room on a saturday night
 
roasted
 
 
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Tim
12:49 PM
innit
 
1:12 PM
working with the worst code ever
 
1:27 PM
return unmaintainable;
 
Tim
finally { throw Table }
 
ERROR: Unreachable Code
 
@R15-Zucc lol T_T
 
step-up, nerds
 
1:51 PM
working with the worst code ever so far!
 
2:02 PM
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Afternoon Everyone!!! :D
@bluetoothfx, @FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier This is your weekly reminder of New Free Games on Epic Store!!!!! :3
@DaveS, @Mauker, @Pochmurnik, @Graeme, @ballBreaker, @Jordy, @WarrenFaith, @grrigore, @Reno, @Code-Apprentice This is your weekly reminder of New Free Games on Epic Store!!!!! :3
 
helloo
thaanks
 
2:17 PM
 
xD
 
@ballBreaker btw, I responded to you
 
2:41 PM
Hello all!
New to StackOverflow chat. Android dev here
@grrigore That is one hell of a picture too, lol
 
@Mehdi oh sweet! thanks man! I'll take a look in a little bit :)
 
3:01 PM
Word up flesh bags
3
And Raghav
 
Morning!
 
Hi new guy
@Tim This makes me really sad :(
 
Hey hey :)
 
Tim
it's kind of my secret strategy, reading all of those messages will delay my death by at least a week or 2
 
Oh, this is like a broken contract with Death?
 
3:12 PM
@Tim so no aettestup?
 
Tim
well no, that's a horrible way to go
 
It's a matter of honor, no?
 
Tim
runs off to live in the forest
 
hahaha
"Honor is really important, Bjorn" XD
 
You guys have access to your app stats?
How are your users doing for app upgrading?
I've got 85% across all are on latest, and 95% active users are on the latest
Are we average or better or worse?
 
Tim
3:18 PM
much much better probably
 
I was super shocked, last time I looked in general it was like, 60% upgrade on average per release in my last compant
But I'm wondering if it's more to do with Android and App Bundles
 
depends on countries, if data plans in your targeted countries have limited data plans, they will have their automatic updates disabled
 
Tim
I don't have a clue what the numbers are for our app, but to be honest I don't really care
 
lmao
 
... Well that's not helpful for me, what sort of PA are you?
 
3:21 PM
@Tim I vibe with that so hard
 
Tim
3:33 PM
same
 
@JBis Useless for what?
 
Tim
don't question him, he is an expert in this field
 
It sounded like the purpose is to compare the hash with a DB of hashes of known illegal images. I mean I doubt a court would consider it to be very useful evidence, but it would tell them who to investigate. (regardless of whether that's a good or bad thing ethically)
 
maybe you should learn a thing or 2 about cryptography twiz, I suggest you read his blog posts
 
@Mehdi I'm too lazy to determine what is or isn't sarcasm right now. lol
 
Tim
3:40 PM
1 message moved to Trash can
we will never know
 
hahaha
 
LOL
 
hahahahhaa
 
@twiz Alright so after reading a bit more, my understanding is as follows. There are two completely separate features. (A) ML powered detection of nude images sent and received over iMessage. For users <13, if they choose to send or receive an image containing nudity they will be warned and if they continue their parents will be notified. For users from 13-18, the image will be blurred, no notification will be sent to parents. All is does client side and the image is never sent to anyone.
 
that feature is weirder/worse than the CSAM one for sure
I think the real problem is when apple inevitably caves and turns on the terrorist detection
in amurica
 
3:51 PM
(B) The CSAM detection for iCloud Photos. This is the main thing people have issue with that only searches for known images using the hash db we were talking about. Long story short, if a certain threshold is reached Apple can decrypt low res versions of the photos for manual analysis and then eventually the images and the user will be reported to gov.
@ballBreaker Meh, I think it's fine for the most part
I am much more concerned with (B)
 
yea I guess kids can just use a different texting app
that feature would have tilted me to no end as akid tho
 
I think you may be able to disable it. Not 100% sure yet.
 
Tim
"disable"
 
yeah I think I saw it was an enable/disable thing in parental controls
but just think, you send a nudie out and a machine looks at it
 
Some parents take their kids phone anyway and look through it
 
3:53 PM
gross
 
Oh and apparently you can't delete those images now, which is dumb
So I guess to help parents check once they get notification
@twiz To answer your question. A hash would basically be useless to law enforcement. They have no idea if the ML hash algo fucked up, or what. So I was saying they are prob receiving an image, which it turns out they are. A low res version.
 
@JBis Although they probably receive that image from the database I was referring to, and not Apple. I didn't read anything about that part though.
 
What pisses me off is that I've been asking for years to add duplication detection to Apple Photos. Why couldn't apple take their super cool NueralHash algo and gives us dup detection instead.
@twiz No. they receive the actual image on the users device or in this case icloud photos.
 
@JBis The devs are all too busy trying to reach the left corner of their iPhone screen to do any real work.
 
"I worry about privacy, but I wish we had duplication detection of photos" ?
 
3:58 PM
@Mehdi there is no privacy concern with that
 
what's the difference between dupes finding and adult content finding? with regards to the scanning of your photos
 
I'm not sure this is exactly a compliment to Apple, but they are probably still far more concerned about privacy than any other company that doesn't specifically exist for privacy purposes.
 
@DaveS Definitely
 
Google would probably just send law enforcement and the Catholic church all the full res images.
 
lol
 
4:00 PM
@Mehdi It's completely different, just shares one peice of technology. The way they would do it is hash every photo client side and just check for dup hashes. There is no privacy concern there. They do that now, just with a shittier hashing algo.
 
@twiz I unno, cops and church haven't showed up yet..
 
Tim
in reality they are only concerned with how people perceive their concern for privacy, contrary to them really caring about it
 
@Tim Of course, which is why what I said is true. 🤷‍♂️
 
@JBis how is it any different than comparing a photo against a NSFW_detection model stored locally?
 
@Eenvincible Pinging to ask for help is naughty, however, let me know when you're next around (and I am) and I'll see if I can help :)
 
4:02 PM
spank him
 
@Mehdi 1. That's not really how Apple's CSAM detection works. 2. The difference is it's never being sent to anyone. No one has a problem with Apple scanning their photos client side. People have an issue that it is being sent to Apple to be decrypted and then to law enfrocement.
Apple already does massive amounts of "scanning" client side (face detection, scene detection, ML powered slidehsows). Nothing leaves the device so people don't care.
 
Is there a way to check (given to class variables) if one can be autoboxed to the other?
Without me having to write a lookup ?
 
The images that Apple is doing that with are only known illegal images though. Why would apple need to decrypt anything?
 
o/
 
how does apple do this without themselves being charged with distributing CSAM ?
 
4:05 PM
@twiz Because they don't know if they are illegal
 
@JBis That's the purpose of the hash.
 
@ballBreaker They give a hash algo to the gov agency with the raw images db and then the agency returns a hashes db
 
They can match it in a DB of known images without sending the actual image.
 
@twiz Ah, i don't think you understand how the hash works
 
Maybe, but why don't they do it that way? It just seems like the obvious way to do it.
 
4:06 PM
It's not a normal hashing algo like SHA256 or MD5. it's a specific ML powered one made for images. Changing a pixel or cropping it will still produce the same hash.
 
Tim
I think we've had this exact conversation at least 4 times already in the past week
 
> The main purpose of the hash is to ensure that identical and visually similar images result in the same hash, and images that are different from one another result in different hashes. For example, an image that has been slightly cropped or resized should be considered identical to its original and have the same hash
 
@JBis Interesting. Although that would still be the same thing in practice, wouldn't it? Just with more potential for false positives?
 
@twiz With a normal hashing algo the only chance for false positives is collision chance of the hashing algo, it is exponentially higher for an ML powered one
And you don't want someone going to jail (or their life being ruined by a CSAM investigation) because Apples algo made a mistake
 
Well that's a failure of the courts if that happens.
 
4:10 PM
> or their life being ruined by a CSAM investigation)
 
As the potential for false positives should be considered.
 
It is, thats why the low res image is manually reviewed
 
@JBis This is called "AI explainability", it's a big topic. A topic difficult to approach in complex or black box models such as neural nets
and there are many instances already of people jailed because of it
 
^ I know very little about it, other than it being an issue
 
or people having a loan refused because the risk score got it wrong for X reasons because it had a bias in a feature (such as gender or skin color or address)
 
4:13 PM
Unsurprising a machine learns to be racist when you feed it racist data
 
sometimes unwillingly
 
Ok, sorry everyone, but I'm going to have to pause this episode of Black Mirror and go do something productive.
✌️
 
hence some sectors only approve the use of "linear" models, the ones that are easy to explain: "this variable goes up + this other one" => score goes up
impossible to do in deep learning
 
@twiz How dare you prioritize your real job
;)
 
@twiz pff, brainwashed by the industrialised society I see...
Cya!
 
4:16 PM
I think theres a scene from Silicon valley
 
lmao is that the son of anton AI ?
 
yep
 
hahaha I love that
gilfoyle and jared are the best
 
Jian-Yang is gold
 
yes! + the 3 commas club guy
 
4:20 PM
ohhh yeah all great characters as well
 
The Jian Yang actor dude has a comedy special which is really good too. Def would recommend.
 
erlich was great while he was in it
one of my favourite scenes in that show is when he beats up the kids
this is another great scene of children getting beat up
absolutely outrageous
 
saw your notes mehdi, great tips and thanks for the level of detail! Really appreciate that, I was also kind of leaning towards some of those points too but its great ot hear it from someone else
 
4:35 PM
anytime!
 
you're a true G
will have to implement some of these over the weekend or next week lmao
my ability to do anything is so limited, last 20 mins of work toda
 
hahaha good luck!
 
thanks brotha
 
Tim
5:08 PM
@ballBreaker I didn't like him really, he was just there as a scapegoat for jian yang's jokes
 
@Mehdi Why are they even using facial recognition for shoplifting cases? It would be one thing if that happened from a murder investigation where they had no idea who the person was, but honestly who even cares if a shoplifter gets caught.
It seems obvious there's going to be a lot of problems if it's used for every person that jaywalks or looks at a cop the wrong way.
 
Honestly I feel like this is just the result of IT-corporates forcing pseudo-progress no one needs, shoplifting is easily covered by insurances, that's basically bringing a tank to a fist fight
 
GOOD kicks the door down MORN... AFTERNOOOOON!
 
Tim
who is the miserable responsible for the door?
 
I don't know, but they are doing a good job since I can kick it down almost everytime I come in.
 
5:21 PM
miserable craftsmanship, nowhere near up to standards
 
How are you guys?
 
good! how have you been? is life treating you alright?
 
It has its ups and downs, as usual. Can't complain right now.
 
that dot at the end makes it look like you're writing this while being held hostage
 
.try putting the dot at the beginninG
 
5:24 PM
I don't ... see _ what _ you're talking _ about ...
 
hahaha
is game dev still as fun after 2 years(?) of full time dev?
 
Tim
is anything still fun after doing it for 2 years
 
making fun of CF
jk, don't ban me :D
 
5:43 PM
It has its... ups and downs?
Like lately, release approaching of the next update, a slew of high priority bugs rained on me with very short deadlines. System bugs. I signed to be in Gameplay, but still not back in that team.
I like it, but had to let know projects manager this week that I couldn't possibly do all of that before the next deadline and was gonna cave at that rate.
 
D:
 
@Mehdi Exactly. Most of the talk is about racist police, but the entire law-enforcement system in the U.S. is just ridiculous. It's clearly been a lot of decades since anyone has taken a step back and tried to figure out how much of what they do actually benefits society in any way.
I guarantee the police would view that software as a win, because it leads to more arrests. As though, people being in prison is a good thing.
I doubt many cops ever even consider the purpose of their job existing.
Not sure why I'm ranting about this here.
 
Cause ranting is the sacred right of devs
Without ranting, devs would lose their mental sanity, composure in front of client and management, their jobs, their house, spouse and life.
 
@Nyakouai can't you talk to your manager about it? or do some pushing internally to move
 
Ranting is good for devs. Rant for your own good
@Mehdi I did that. Waiting on results
 
5:51 PM
@twiz if the prison system was public, I'm sure this view would have changed a long time ago
@Nyakouai hope it happens soon, like in 1 month max soon
 
@Mehdi Maybe, although I don't think that's the only factor. I mean what would you expect a city to do if crime increases? Hire more cops, right? No actual attempt to solve any real problems.
 
@Mehdi Yeah, no, not gonna happen. Not that quick
 
@twiz yeah, but those are all expenses of the city, so it will be "more cops / more jails spendings in lieu of other investments benefitting the whole city". I think it becomes clear that the solution is to invest in the communities, to provide education and work opportunities to reduce all that spending in the long term
@Nyakouai one thing I learned in the corporate, sometimes/often it helps being pushy and annoying to get things moving
 
@Mehdi Exactly, but I think its mostly a matter of politics, so even if someone realized that, it would never happen.
 
I don't have the answer to that :D
 
6:17 PM
bb talked about this before but want to ask more broadly
Would y'all work for a company that's work you disagreed with? As in, the job itself isn't bad. The work environment, pay and everyone else is fine. Simply what the company does you disagree with.
 
Disagree in what context?
 
You believe to be unethical but not illegal
 
I wouldn't
 
i would not
 
Personally, nope
 
6:22 PM
But I work in video games, so it's easier to turn down EA :P
 
interesting
 
if you disagree with something it wouldn't make you happy to wake up in the morning and do your best
 
how about for double your current salary?
 
will take a toll on you in the long run
 
@Mehdi What that wise man said
 
6:23 PM
hahaha
 
@JBis You can make it as many times you want. It's the same as people asking "If you are straight, would you do it with someone of the same sex for XXX$?"
Everybody like to think they don't have a price
 
Time to go~~
Cya on monday everyone!!! :D
 
I like to think I woulnd't cave for a ludicrous amount of money because that wouldn't be right
Bye Wompy
 
@Nyakouai not the best analogy, but yes
 
Did anyone work with Cobra?
 
6:24 PM
The basis is the same; do you put a price on your preferences/principles/ethic or whatever
 
imagine thinking: "I despise wars and violence, but my software runs on missiles that kill people, but since I'm paid double the market I'll bury this guilt feeling"
 
i think i'd do something i don't like for a lower price than something i didn't agree with
@Mehdi so do you put any blame on the software developers who make missile software?
 
Well, good for you. I worked 1.5 years for a job I did not like (not unethical, just not my thing) and I was that close to a burnout. squish thumb and index together
JBis, nobody will be right in this debate. It's purely a matter of opinion with no factual arguments to back either side up.
 
@Nyakouai Yes, i'd like to hear your opinions :)
 
@Nyakouai wow you kept on for more than a year. I would have quit within the first week
 
6:28 PM
@JBis I question their ethics based on my personal ethics
 
@Taseer Ain't no rest for the wicked :P A man gotta pay his bills
 
@Mehdi fair enough
 
but I think it takes a special character to be able to live while doing abstraction of the shit you build
 
I was asked once if I felt guilty for enabling people addiction to videogames. It baffled me for a moment and it took me a long time to find an answer. I don't feel guilty that a small proportion of our user base create problems with our product because of other problems they have. However, I got the occasion to work for a defense company and turned it down. Cause, no matter how you turn it, a missile is made to kill people. Weapons are tools to kill people.
"Yeah, but we need to protect ourselves and dissuade and stuff" No. Dissuasion is only effective if you're ready to use it, ergo, it will kill people at some point.
You mess up? Your missile take a 3 degrees deviation and blow up a family instead of the target.
 
6:31 PM
they usually say: "I just build software, I don't push the button to send it nor do I ask anyone to do it, the military does it", sure, but you built it :)
 
I don't think any amount of money would be worth the stress or the emotionnal burden that comes with it.
 
"If i didn't build it someone would"
 
same, Nyak
 
The thing is that, if it's not you, then there's always 100 people ready to replace you
 
@JBis hahah yes! this one is the king argument
 
6:32 PM
It's like saying "If I did not kill them, they would have died anyway". To an extent.
 
I don't know
 
Sure, you did not kill them. You did enable it tho, for money, and you are trying to reassure yourself.
 
I'm not as quick to blame them
 
And I don't say it's innately wrong. I just say it's not something I'd do.
As long as you are actively doing it, you are taking part. You could have chosen to let that "other person" build it. But you did not.
So it's not much of an excuse. You made a choice, might as well own it.
Methinks it's a delusionnal argument.
 
Agreed
 
6:34 PM
(to be taken with appropriate care, I'm a 20 something dev, not an omniscient philosopher)
 
sometimes the simple straightforward positions are the most correct
 
Can inaction be just as unethical as action?
I think so
 
Complex, different question. Short: yes, but not in this case.
 
I'd say avoiding is already acting
to a certain extent, timid, but still
 
Maybe I should take a philosophy course...
 
6:38 PM
Maybe we should rename this channel :P
You wouldn't have to pay for it at least.
 
I think boolean algebra covers a wide range of topics already XD
 
one more question
If you do assign blame (or as you put it "question their ethics") the people writing the software, how abstracted does one have to work before you don't assign blame? Does the physicist who worked on how projectiles fly receive blame? Does the chemist who worked on the explosive part of the missile receive blame? Does the engineer who worked on how to fly a missile receive blame?
 
xD
I blame the first idiot monkey that freaking "discovered" fire!
 
hahaha
 
As I said before. Broad issue. Complex question. I don't have an answer to fit all.
 
6:46 PM
I wouldn't consider Newton for coming up with the laws of motion, i would however question the ethics the guy who used them to knowingly to build a missile and especially for commercial purposes
 
I wouldn't blame the guy that designed a new alloy to make aerocraft more aerodynamic. I WOULD blame the biochemist that designed a new superstrain of a virus if it got out.
@Mehdi This
 
i dont think researchers always know what the effects of their research will be
 
That's an age old debate. I'm surprised it did not come up during your studies
We had a freaking long class about ethics and the reach of what we do.
My take is that ignorance is not an excuse. You have a brain, use it. Or do something harmless.
I'm not inventing anything (too dumb to), conscience clear, problem solved.
 
@JBis sure for researchers from the past, but from the present not so much, researchers are usually sponsored and financed. so if you're financed by the military, it sure as hell you're not researching the aerodynamics of a supersonic aircraft designed to write "PEACE & LOVE" super fast in the sky ...
 
hmm
 
6:49 PM
@Nyakouai hahahaha
 
@Mehdi almost all research (at least in the US) is funded by the government
 
So... military?
 
Not always possible to tell. But often in tech, yes.
 
Also, corporate R&D is research and there is a shiton more of that going around.
 
Most of corporate R&D seems to be converting academic research into something companies can profit from
 
6:52 PM
bare in mind that researchers are one of the least dumb and naive individuals in society
 
@Mehdi supposed to be*
 
@Mehdi and some of the most unethical
 
@JBis Everybody is basing their research on somebody else research. If you don't, then you just created a new science field, so please publish about it.
 
oh, you haven't heard? I'm reinventing science
 
hahaha yes, I imagine them saying: "Oh no! you're saying my super corrosive formula that has no industrial use whatsoever has been used in a war, how shocking, I can't believe it, I just came up with that formula for the sake of science"
alright gents, I'm heading out, cya!
 
6:57 PM
o/
 
Have a good week end, see you
I'm gonna follow suit, I did enough time for the week. See you people
 
im out too cya o/
 
 
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8:18 PM
A little less than an hour away for the weekend for me. Interesting discussion above, good read.
 
8:36 PM
Click it if you need a laugh
 
 
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Tim
10:15 PM
Can tell from the thumbnail it's staged
 

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