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6:50 AM
hi
@DaveS sums up pretty accurate lol
 
 
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7:55 AM
o/
 
8:07 AM
hi
 
8:30 AM
Greetings!
 
eli
8:43 AM
How come my android project files taking 11.1GB ?
and i can't see which file is taking that space?
 
9:07 AM
You are literally sharing a picture where you see the size of folders and files. Why not just go deeper into the folder structure until you find where those numbers come from?
just open your amalappt*** folder and check the files. Maybe you have some hprof dumbs there which can take up a lot of space...
 
eli
There is no file or folder with higher number Warren you can just see the child file and folders are just MB and KB's
 
You only see folders in that picture (as you can see "x items" on the right side)
open that folder in a file explorer and check the files directly in the amalappt*-folder
 
eli
theres hprof files as you said
 
afaik those are from AS crashes/exceptions. You can simply delete them
 
eli
Thanks Warren
4 hprof all with 2.7GB
 
9:18 AM
I charge $1 per megabyte. Where do I send the invoice?
 
eli
Really ?
 
yes, I do have to make a living, right?
 
eli
sure you have to make
 
10:04 AM
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May 20 '20 at 19:14, by ThunderCock
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10:16 AM
@eli root the device, we have to go deeper
@DaveS hardware has to increase due to code that eats the components of the device. So it's a constant increase battle that if it can be reduced in using performance efficiency: I'd sign for it
if we settle for performance efficiency the hardware market could slow down a little
 
Tim
10:29 AM
the hardware keeps getting improved not because it's needed to accomodate unoptimzed code, but because people will pay money for something that has higher numbers on the box, even if it won't change anything for them. Part of dave's point is that the hardware in modern phones is so good, it barely matters what code you feed it. Plus the compiler already optimzes most of your code for you.
If you want to optimize further, it will take such a big effort to do better than the compiler, and the performance gain is practically zero, because the hardware is too good anyway.
there are of course usecases where it can be worth it, but this is almost never the case. Hence the saying "premature optimization is the root of all evil". You can optimize if you feel like it, and for like experimentation/research, but it should never be the default approach
 
I do not like that way of thinking personally, but I understand companies go for it
It's like having a big block V8 car and get passed by a 4 cylinder Volvo because Volvo actually got to pull out most of the engine while 'murica thought "it's got 8 cylinders so we're good"
 
Tim
it's all about money. 99% of clients/managers will laugh at you for saying "I can make this code run 5% faster, but it will take me 5x as long to finish the work"
 
they can laugh all they want, for them there are 10 others in line to hire me
but sure, there is a line I won't spend more time for just a few percent either
 
Tim
it's more like having two V8 cars. One has fat person driving and one has a skinny person driving because skinny in this case is more optimized. The car doesn't care, you won't notice the difference
 
untill you hit the gastation and have to pay for the extra weight on the same miles
I get both sides, ofc I am not debating here it's a personal matter. I have overstep these boundires myself and lost half a year school due to that MVVM android project for instance
 
Tim
10:37 AM
that's not relevant, it's only about how fast the car can go
 
11:05 AM
@eli it just eats up all the ram
idk why
#metoo
oh
that's not ram
 
@Tim i think that's the main point people miss, performances usually start at the high level code that people produce and frankly that's where most problems come from, dabbling in the optimisation of the lowest level is a last recourse for very specific things
 
Tim
the high level code is exactly the part that the compiler usually optimizes for you
 
yeah, I meant more the "client code" using the high level APIs, bad programming basically, very small techniques like not using caching, abusing high scopes of variables etc...
 
Tim
ohh
 
i personally think that 99% of perf problems are there
 
11:17 AM
what do perverts have to do with it
 
Tim
they creep around telling you you need to optimize your code but you don't
 
hahahah
 
Tim
I hope he comes back to chat today
 
so it turns out
me neighbour has a piano or something
 
Tim
when are you moving?
 
11:23 AM
last week
:D
 
:D
 
but the apartment is kinda empty
 
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":D"
 
how are you all
?
 
listening to piano music
you?
 
11:37 AM
@Shailesh I had a paragraph of text why my gf prefers not to get health advice to become better soon
you?
 
holy shit look at those salaries
 
@MwBakker (^_^)
 
Ill move to america so I can quite my job as gigolo
 
I am doing typing typing and typing
 
Tim
11:42 AM
@MwBakker salary scales with cost of living, you won't be a millionaire working as a dev in SF for example
it's like amsterdam on steroids
 
I can live on vanille vla for weeks
 
Tim
yes but your 2x2m apartment will cost you 3k per month
 
why do people volunteer for that I still wonder
you can work nearly anywhere you want as programmer
 
Tim
some people just really want to work at facebook for example. Because it looks good on the resume and your friends will think you're cool or whatever
all those big companies are located in SF
 
I wanted to do my internship at a certain website ending with 'hub' but the testing process was not how I imagined it to be
 
Tim
11:52 AM
let's change topic before mehdi bans you
 
12:22 PM
@MwBakker github?
 
@Tim let's do that
 
1:03 PM
do you guys use any libraries to access and capture images?
 
Tim
no
 
no
 
Hellowwww
 
Tim
yellow
 
How are you, good people of Android?
 
Tim
1:17 PM
slightly above average 👍
 
please don't stigmatise us and put us on the same bag, also slightly below average 👍
 
I wouldn't dare to do that Mehdi
 
How is our 10x game dev doing?
 
I'm not unique? Sad. Pretty good. Pulled a muscle waking up. Coinbase refuse my ID cause I'm a french with a canadian payment method. Classic stuff
 
In no way an expert, but Binance worked flawlessly for me
 
1:24 PM
Yeah, I'm just an odd case, cause my ID are not from the same country as my payment method, which is dumb
I have to wait for my canadian drivers license, so I'll miss the dip big time
 
don't you have a residency permit or something? those should be accepted as locally issued ID
 
They take ID card, passport or driver's license
I'm surprised passport is not valid, since it's your main ID abroad.
 
well.. good luck :D
 
what are the IMPORTANT questions to ask a manager during the first interview?
 
Are you an asshole? Will my overtime be paid? Are you able to shut up and leave me alone outside of work?
That'd be my top three, but mostly for startups
 
1:37 PM
how does the team works, what kind of projects, flexibility with regards to work arrangements, evolution paths and perspectives / career development, compensation ...
 
@Nyakouai haha
 
work life balance as well, need to be phrased smoothly though
the size of the team? expansion plans? because more projects or ...
 
@Mehdi Excuse you, I was the smoothest with my phrasing
More seriously, you can ask about the turnover in the team (though they may lie to you)
 
@Mehdi yep they shared with me a culture deck that answer many questions
 
It's a good indicator to know if you should run
 
1:40 PM
@Nyakouai hahaha
 
@Mehdi hmm team size .. nice!
@Nyakouai too sensible questions for a manager
 
basically to let them talk, are they expanding or are they filling for someone who left, and if they're expanding, why? are they currently drowning under work or ...
 
xD
@Mehdi by how does the team work, you mean the methodology?
 
you don't elaborate so you don't limit their explanations, you let them say whatever they want and then ask for more details if needed
that question has many potential answers: "scrum on a big project", "we work by small groups everyone owning a project", "we do pair programming" etc..
 
I see ;)
need I to be transparent about the fact that I never worked in a fully English environment?
and ask if the team is Sync or Async mindset?
 
1:54 PM
no need, they have your CV, you let them assess your english skills and they'll be the judge of it
 
nice answer
 
Tim
it can be good to know how international the team or department is, because if 1 english and 9 spanish for example, the spanish are not gonna speak english the whole day just so the english can listen in, and it will make the english feel exluded
 
I like Automattic final hiring process, at the final hiring step they hire you as a freelancer for a week and after they decide a Go/NoGo and you too
 
@Tim very good point
 
@Tim hmm interesting question for me as I'm not a native English speaker nor it's my second language
 
2:12 PM
thanks guys!
 
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Afternoon Everyone!!!!! :D
 
Hey @W0MP3R, congrats on the job!
 
Thanks!!! :D
 
LEO
Hello People
 
congrats wompaa
 
2:14 PM
Thaaaanks!!!! :D
 
LEO
Did anyone here used google play billing in his app?
 
what kind of job?
 
A dev job. But don't ask me languages and stuff 'cause I don't know xD
 
LEO
@grrigore Do you know how to use google play billing? because I'm stuck with the problem
 
nope
 
LEO
2:17 PM
:(
 
Wompa is going on an adventure
 
Tim
don't ping random people for help, if someone knows they will tell
 
^^
 
LEO
Okay Tim Thanks <3
 
gif is not working TT^TT
 
LEO
2:19 PM
This is my topic
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Q: Why Google not explain where should we put license key who takes from Google Play Console?

LEOI installed Google Play's billing inside my app and followed all steps in documentations but stills not working and I think because I don't put license key yet, I copied it from Google Play Console but I don't know where I should put it. Note: I don't use this library Can someone tell me where ...

But no answers :(
 
@W0MP3R It was the correct reference ;)
 
hahahha
 
LEO
Guys Is there Arabic or Spanish chat or English only?
 
@LEO if you're getting any errors/warnings you should include them
 
LEO
@grrigore There is no errors but I don't know where should I put license key
I'm new with in-app billing
 
Tim
2:23 PM
es.stackoverflow.com spanish here
 
LEO
@Tim I speak Arabic and Spanish fluently, So I'm going to that chat because it's more understandable for me.
 
See you, good luck for your problem
 
LEO
Thanks ^^
 
Tim
I don't know if they have spanish chat there. Bye
 
makes sense
 
2:27 PM
@Cool I would like to add to turn the conversation to your side. Ask the manager how he got in that company and why. Ask him what his vision is and what he thrives for
Showing that interest gives you a high plus, and it's valuable info to see who you are working for
 
Or some people could interpret that as you sucking up, and so it's not that high of a plus
Making it personnal is double edged
 
It's not sucking up to ask why he is there and for what reason
it becomes sucking up if you agree with everything on him "aah I have the same vision" etc
 
Depends on how you phrase it
Interview is a skill anyway. Go fail a dozen, you will be good for the following.
 
I did dozen(s)
And just giving my advice
do with it as you please
 
I was saying that to Cool :P
 
2:31 PM
sorry about that then
 
I have a friend changing job, he took a week of vacation, the place he is interviewing for gave him a "48h" test. Which is easily worth 4 to 5 business day of work.
I hate when HR do that. They don't seem to understand you may have a life outside of their hiring process.
 
heyo
 
@Nyakouai what is a 48hr test
 
Technical test that you have 48h to return once it started
Heyo bb!
 
@Nyakouai coinbase blocks canadian credit cards, same with binance
you need to use coinsquare in canada and it only accepts e-transfer
just as a heads uppy
 
2:36 PM
@Nyakouai 48hr of work without payment?
 
48h of "test"
 
yeah but does it get paid or nah
 
...
You sure you had dozens of interview? In Computer Science?
 
did u hear me nya
 
No in computer science I had about 10
But I'm dutch maybe things go different here
I know some companies give an assignment to accomplish here
 
2:38 PM
It's a technical. It's no use to the company (unless they are a big scam), so not paid
Yeah, an assignment if you want
@ballBreaker Yes chef, I was busy being a grumpy old man to Mw, sorry sorry
 
hahaha no worries man
yeah companies that give you assignments are lame
also companies that make you interview on a white board with questions about data types from university
 
@Nyakouai I was just giving advice, no need to get grumpy
 
I mean. 2h assignment, why not. 48h - week long assignment? I have shit to do bro
 
I'm dutch so we use different terms to some matters
48 is ridicolous imo
 
I had a 7 days one. For a startup.
 
2:40 PM
damn
 
Which was going to hire me, but they ran into a lease problem midway during the signing process, had to relocate, no physical room for more devs, went under 6 months later.
 
To some I had to describe or show my projects, others had a small task involved
@Nyakouai damn that's rough
 
It's good, dodged a bullet (bite the next one hard though)
 
lmao
thats hilarious
yeah 2 hour assignment or less, or better yet, give me a laptop during the interview and a set of problems to go through
and then leave the room and let me work
 
I would turn into grumpy and old after that too
 
2:42 PM
we did a 4hr skills test just so they would have enough time to demonstrate all the skills we were looking for
 
@MwBakker My back is all effed up since I work from home, so I'm ranking up quickly on the grandpa scale
 
I'm having the same problem nyakouai
 
jesus lol 4 hours
fuck that
 
well it's work at your own pace at home
design conversion to front end with api call
 
Your own pace being 4h in the zone, cause it's never done in 4h
 
2:43 PM
oh okay thought u meant in the office
 
yeah no one ever finished everything
 
my favourite was a company that gave me a laptop, a problem set, an hour, and then left
and let me do that for an hour
 
Yep.
That is the way to go.
 
everything else sucks in comparison now lol I got spoiled
 
yeah I'd probably prefer to do that but we don't have many resources for that
 
2:44 PM
With internet.
 
yeah makes sense
 
@DaveS I got a Think Steelcase chair from Ebay at 1/5 of the price, 100% worth it
 
It was a 2-3 hour interview and it was all contained inside that one day, was nice
the job sucked in the end, but the interview was nice xD
 
oi
 
I'm looking forward to the days where they just do a scan of your brain for an interview and bing bang boom
 
2:46 PM
noo
xD
 
"Oh no, no no no, don't look in there that's my private lobe"
 
hahahaha exactly
don't think about jessica alba, don't think about jessica alba, don't think about jessica alba
 
@Nyakouai get yourself a massage seat
 
Moving soon, getting a better chair
 
I wonder if she's alive
avoid leather chairs if u can
I got a really nice one this christmas and kinda regret it, although it's insanely comfortable
 
2:48 PM
The HR that scans bb's brain will call the police
 
its also super duper hot
on my butt
 
@Nyakouai or fall in love
 
hahaha
 
I have a mesh one, it's comfortable, breathes properly but DAMN the statics and the dust
 
sounds glorious
 
2:49 PM
Never got shocked as many times in a day as during canadian's winter
 
@Nyakouai chairish that one
 
comfy chair, AND ball torture? sign me up
 
"It's -20C outside? Get a load of physiiiics biatch!"
 
lmao
 
I wanna see my gf today but she became a cuddly t-rex
 
2:51 PM
Plait-il?
 
all wrapped up in blankets with tea, ready to kill me if I come in
 
Say what now?
Ah.
 
I wish I had a gf that would kill me
 
nvm just another one that became grumpy on my advice today
@Nyakouai wat
 
Translates as "Say what now" but fancy and in french
Closest would be "Beg your pardon?" in english, I guess
 
2:52 PM
what does 'quelle que choce qui cloche' mean
or however that is written
 
Quelque chose qui cloche - something is not right
 
my dad said it's an insult to someone to say his screws in his head are loose
my french teacher didn't understand
 
~(-.-~)
 
Il y a quelque chose qui cloche dans sa tête / He has some screws loose
 
aah
noice
 
2:55 PM
But it's still fairly nice / polite
 
thanks Nyan, now I can insult the walloons with more creativity again
 
hmmm
 
You can ask Wompy for insults in Spanish
 
what about "ta mère est une chèvre"
 
Your mother is a goat
 
2:55 PM
@Nyakouai I had a spanish gf, trust me I know a lot :(
4
 
Sounds like kindergarten level insult
 
hahaha
 
Her pet name for me was "feo" or "tonto"
"But I say it with love" she added to it
 
... She was your gf?
 
for 4 years, yes
 
2:56 PM
@MwBakker ... Suuuure
Isn't that "ugly" and "stupid"? That's not something I'd call a loved one
 
It was more as a joke, I had sort a like names for her
 
@MwBakker retardar?
 
wat
 
just trying to guess what you called her
i kind of want a lay-down desk
one of these
where can Ibuy
 
I think you need to be a virgin, legally, to buy one of those, so should be easy for you to get
 
3:12 PM
@ballBreaker "canario" cause I had a canary once that showed the exact same behaviour
 
@DaveS hmmm
thats good news
 
don't they have a big warehouse store like costco where you just show your v card and you can buy stuff like that?
 
I'm not sure, I'm not well versed in being a virgin like you are
 
I have two kids
on the other hand, you have no proof
 
wheres the dna test bro
 
3:15 PM
oof good point
 
for all I know your wife is the virgin mary
and your daughters are jesus
or something
 
o/
 
could be, 3 old dudes did show up and give us some oil and two other things
 
hahah
 
@DaveS doesn't that include you?
@MwBakker oof
 
3:20 PM
so I've officially finished 2 different 30-day yoga challenges
you can refer to me as a yogi now
yogi bear
preferrably
 
@CrabsStew nope but I can make it more specific, CrabsStew and some others that aren't me, suck.
 
I choose to believe that I'm not apart of 'others'
 
that's the ambiguity that everyone except CF gets to enjoy
 
dave is obviously included so he skipped the mention
 
lmao
 
3:32 PM
@ballBreaker you becoming a yoga teacher now?
 
haha hopefully not
 
he binged watch yogi bear for 2 months and called it two 30 day yogi challenges
 
at what point does a person prcticing yoga turn into a yoga teacher
the metamorphasis
 
when you stop showering and use crystals to cleanse yourself instead
3
 
hahaha
 
3:33 PM
lmao
 
@MwBakker hmm intersting point
 
I once had that tip from my dad who is an employer himself
usually such interviews become very sober and light by that
At once even too much, where I told about the near rape experience in Fez to my possible future employer
I dk what the exact context was to telling that anymore
 
@Nyakouai i would interpret it exactly like this tbh
 
"I'd make a great employee because I'm likable, so likeable in fact that a guy tried to molest me on a mountain"
 
@Mehdi but im used to people in R15 going exactly against what I give as advice
 
3:40 PM
i feel like mwb would fit better in a workplace of the 50s or something
 
sure, except im not racist
furtheron, probably
 
yeah he meant the coal mines
2
 
lol i meant "corporate mindset"
 
oh
but I mostly dont give advice without me having experienced the results myself. In this case interviews have always been fun
 
@MwBakker Fez, morocco ?
 
3:43 PM
@DaveS XD
 
@Cool yez
 
@MwBakker all i'm saying is you could have been a 10x rising star rockstar employee in some corporate à la Mad Men
 
hahaha @MwBakker I spent 3 years studying there
 
doesn't mean you can't / won't be in this day and age, just that it would have been guaranteed back then
 
are you from Morocco? afaik the answer is no
 
3:45 PM
@Mehdi It's alright eversince Im left handed things go different which some work out and some don't, but it's kind of you to say I appreciate it
@Cool no, but a little bit from morocco has been in me for a short second
 
@MwBakker i don't know if it makes sense phrased this way, but I think it could be summarised as "you still have that personal / proximity touch we lost in our day and age"
 
@Cool the story is somewhere in the transcript, I dk how retrieving that works so you'll have to ask tim or mehdi
 

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@Cool when were you in morrocco studying? and did you spend much time in a trenchcoat on a mountain?
 
@Mehdi that's really kind, I do have the same feeling about the people in R15 here though: same counts for you
 
3:49 PM
@MwBakker ok let's chat about that later if you like I have an interview simulation with a UK teacher and I need to do some preparing lol
 
@MwBakker thank you! not sure we translate it IRL like you though :D
 
@ballBreaker about 3 years in Paris and all this time slot I'm missing my luxury lifestyle in morocco :p
@Mehdi thanks I will have a look later
 
Tim
don't read it right before going to sleep
 
 
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6:13 PM
@RaghavSood, @DaveS, @Mauker, @Pochmurnik, @CptEric, @Graeme, @ballBreaker, @Jordy, @WarrenFaith, @grrigore, @Reno, @CrabsStew, @bluetoothfx, @Code-Apprentice This is your weekly reminder of New Free Games on Epic Store!!!!!!!! x3
Time to go~~
Cya on monday everyone!!!! :D
 
6:25 PM
What's the gaaaaaame?
NBA 2K21
 
 
3 hours later…
9:06 PM
lmfao really? that was the secret game?
so lame
 
9:17 PM
@Cool sure
 

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