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6:01 PM
@ballBreaker it's not but, most cases don't go to trial anyway
plea bargains are made most of the time
which is arguably bad
 
yeah im just gunna go out on a limb and say that the american criminal justice system is not even close to being a great model for how it should be done
 
no, but i haven't heard of a better
 
and is in fact probably one of the worst out of all the first world countries on the planet
@JBis basically any and all scandinavian countries
not that Canada is that much better, we have a mix of the british system and the american system
 
i don't really know any other system besides british, canada, and US
 
yeah fair, I'm also slightly talking out of my ass just based on prison statistics but that doesn't really give you the best picture
 
6:06 PM
@ballBreaker oh thats an entirely different issue
 
yeah different but definitely related
 
discussion for another day, but basically racism
 
i wouldn't say racism per-se, more classism
 
not really having to do with how our legal system works but more the people within the legal system
 
but i guess racism and classism are hard to separate
 
6:07 PM
@ballBreaker well it's pretty documented as a race issue
war on drugs, etc.
 
basically you go to prison because you're poor, not because your black
but you're poor because your black
so yeah idk, they're too closely tied
poverty is the number #1 driver of crime, not race
 
> The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. .
> We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news
 
who is that from?
lol
 
> - John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon
 
yeah fair, I know that racism definitely factors into it, but IMO it's mostly poverty related
I'm not going to get into 'conspiracy theories' relating to the war on drugs
 
6:12 PM
@JBis that's pretty dark
 
there are a bunch of documentaries on netflix that explain prision population and war on drugs but the US (both dems and republicans) basically arrested black americans in extremely large amount and increased the sentences to prevent them from ever getting out
republicans created the problem, specifically reagan, and then dems were basically forced to continue due to voter demand
 
interesting, so there are statistics on white-vs-black inmates for the same crime that have different sentences?
 
if you want to understand how fucked up the us justice system is, you need to look at mandatory minimums, civil forfeiture and three strikes laws
yes bb
 
damn
nuke ur own country
get it over with
lol but damn, that really sucks
 
> More than one in four people arrested for drug law violations in 2015 was black, although drug use rates do not differ substantially by race and ethnicity and drug users generally purchase drugs from people of the same race or ethnicity.15) For example, the ACLU found that blacks were 3.7 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than whites in 2010, even though their rate of marijuana usage was comparable.1
 
6:15 PM
interesting that jbis thinks the american justice system is the best despite it being racist
 
stuff like that
 
almost telling about jbis' own racism
 
haha
 
the problem with the us justice system is the same leniency and judgement we want to allow can also not be allowed and the harshest possible sentences are being handed out for minor crimes
 
6:16 PM
haha woah this is such a weird sentence
 
@ballBreaker it's the people, not the system
 
> the U.S. is a world leader in its rate of incarceration, dwarfing the rate of nearly every other nation.
 
and in a lot of states judges are elected not chosen based on their merits
 
it almost reads as if a brag
wait what?
elected judges??
 
yes
 
6:17 PM
wtf?
 
I know
 
lmfao
 
mostly red states
 
@JBis you guys elect judges bro
 
@ballBreaker yes and no
 
6:18 PM
you have to remember that when JBis says "In the world" he means, "In the world that I know" which means buffalo NY
 
hahaha
 
lol
 
that is fair, he did say he only really knows canada, british and US
 
Dave always finds a way to insult me even when we agree lol
 
but from what I've gathered so far canada > US
 
6:19 PM
I mean basically every part of the US is broken
 
well in Canada all the judgers and lawyers have that horrible accent so it's a wash
 
so what instance would you want to elect a judgE? that part seems weird to me
@DaveS hahahaha
and yeah refer to my earlier point about "once the defendant says 'sorry' all charges are dropped"
 
in AZ judges are appointed but the voters can remove them from office
 
bit of a loophole, that one
 
which isn't a bad system IMO
 
6:20 PM
oh okay, I mean... that seems... fine I think
the removal
 
yeah you vote if they get to keep their jobs
 
seems like a decent check for corruption
 
but its good and bad
its the same issue with politicians
 
out for a bit bbl
 
oki dokes
 
6:21 PM
you are always worried about getting relected/not voted out, so you may not do what is right
cya dave o/
 
yeah that's the problem, becomes a popularity contest when it shouldn't be one
 
but thats inherit with democracy
 
yeah but you shouldn't be extending democracy to judges, really
dave's case seems to be at least okay I think
 
"Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others" basically sums up my opinion
 
you can veto out a judge if they're horrible
 
6:24 PM
but nobody votes
so its doesn't matter anyway
 
haha
so it's an even worse system then if nobody votes
 
its a horrible system, i agree
 
since just a small % of people can influence such a relatively big thing
yeah that's just dumb but you agree with that, I wonder why they do that
 
but i don't know of a better way
 
the better way is all appointed judges
 
6:26 PM
by who
 
that's an even smaller % of people
 
yeah but it's the best %
 
touché
 
haha
I'm not sure how that appointment works in canada, it seems like in the US they're appointed by the governors?
I think here and I could be wrong, but it's some sort of judicial committee, but I'll have to look at that
 
6:28 PM
federal judges are appointed by president for life
 
yeah we appoint by a judicial commitee for the judges, and it's either done provincially or federally
lol woah
that's so janky
 
the president has way too much power yes
 
@AdamMc331 kinda excited
 
like im sure it's not JUST the president, like he probably gets advisors and stuff, but yeah that's way too much power for one man
 
o/
Sorry but your Valheim boss is on another island
 
6:31 PM
for the record, a lot of republicans that actually know something liked trump a lot because he appointed a tremendous amount of conservative judges
 
> republicans that actually know something
sorry you lost me
 
welcome carl, to todays edition of shit on merica'â„¢
alright thats enough for me, cya all o/
 
hahaha
cya jbis
@CarlAnderson D:
 
it's ok I built a boat
 
the sailing is insanely fun
way more than it has any right to be
 
6:40 PM
@ballBreaker I'm the exception that proves the rule.
but my daughter is stoked about sailing now so it's all good
 
haha nice, yeah I think you can get anything with the seed
there's a seed that gives you all 6 bosses on the sme island
 
we didn't have enough time to determine, but we explored all of our Black Forest and didn't find the tablet or the the spawn point
but we could see another island not far from the shore of our black forest
so I used the nails to build a Karve
and we sailed over there
 
damn haha that's pretty unlucky depending on how big your area is
nice
 
found two burial chambers, and one of them had the tablet to mark the location
 
ahhhh nice!!!
 
6:45 PM
it is really far away
 
teleporters will be your saviour
 
I couldn't tell if we could get their by hopping from island to island or if we have a large amount of water to cross
yeah need more surtling cores for that though
 
not that it'll help getting there, but it makes moving around super easy after
 
yeah
researching how to build a dock now
 
hehe nice
 
Tim
6:48 PM
can give some tips if you want
 
we hit the endgame yesterday
but still have the last boss to finish off, have all the rest tho
sad to see the game ending, but I have 110 hours in it LOL
 
Tim
I saw you have like 120h played already
fucknig nerd
 
hahaha yeah
valheim > real life
 
Tim
I think I have like 60h, 50 of which have been me running back to my grave
 
hahaha
I haven't died in a week
noob
 
Tim
6:51 PM
one time I died on my boat, miles away from home, and I had to regear to make a new boat just to be able to get back to my grave, it took hours
 
thats rough
definitely a downside of playing alone
 
Tim
it was rough, but I love it, it's my fault for taking too much risk
 
yeah, gotta love when you can appreciate the situation like that
all of my deaths have been "yea... I deserved that"
 
Tim
we introduced one friend last week and the very first tree he chopped fell on him and he died xDD we laughed so hard at him
 
hahahahaha
I have one friend that dies every single time we play
 
Tim
6:53 PM
could be me
 
he has the same hours as me, and my running skill is 75
his is 31
lmao
 
Tim
mine is also around 30
no skills ever got to 30+
 
oof lolol
 
Tim
most are at 0 cause I don't use them
 
the higher your skills get the further they fall too
 
Tim
6:54 PM
like I will make a spear and use that for 20 hours and then make a sword and ditcht the spear, die 20 times and lose all spear progress
 
hahaha that's jokes
makes sense
I've been focusing on spear the whole time so it's like 70, clubs I think are 40 and I just got a nice poleaxe so that's like 20
 
Tim
I know this game has a weakness system but I don't know anything about it and I don't want to look anything up, so I just run around with 1 melee weapon and a bow
 
like the resistances stuff, yeah
that's basically what me and my friends did as well
except I also went into clubs to balance my stuff out since bows + spears were both pierce
and I won't comment on whether or not that was a good idea
 
Tim
I know it was, because I had the same set up and it was awesome
 
the setup+ club ?
 
Tim
6:57 PM
the bow and spear
 
ohhh yeah, it's great
spear + shield is insanely strong
parrying is so satisfying and fun
makes you feel epic when your friends get smoked by somethin and you come in and stun it with a parry and start doing 2-3x damage on it after
and make them feel like idiot noobs
 
Tim
I don't even know what parry is. I have one of the big shields that don't have parry
 
true, it's just timing the block right before their attack hits, it stuns them
and yeah tower shields dont get a parry
my bad if i spoiled that although it tells you all over the place
 
Tim
I need it, because I tend to venture into areas that I should not
ok bye
 
yeah i was rocking a normal shield (for the parry and movement speed) and a tower shield
for a good while
is naice
my one friend just uses the dagger haha he's pretty good with it, the backstab damage on that thing is insane
ciao budday
 
Tim
7:01 PM
OK I'm back
 
hiao budday
 
Tim
I have no patience for sneaking
 
same
 
Tim
I have the hardest time collecting deer hide
 
if you still have a spear kicking around they're pretty good for deer, or the bow
you can middle click to throw the spear and it should 1-hit the deer
 
Tim
7:04 PM
Deer tend to run off before I spot them
 
@Tim deers hide so they don't get collected...
 
@Tim also fair, go for them in the open meadow areas if u can
but yeah they are a PITA
I just kill them whenever I see them
 
Tim
I don't even try. When they run I move on
 
so I don't have to go looking for them when I need them
gotta snipe em with the bow
 
Tim
I try the same. I don't tend to skip resources when I have a chance to acquire them
 
7:09 PM
yeah thats smart
shoot every bird you see
is a good rule of thumb
 
yeah I hit them with bows
but before that I was stealth sneaking up with club
 
bahahaha nice carl
I didn't even go for em before the bow, seemed too hard
that's awesome
 
"backstab" with a club
can kill them in one hit
 
haha yeah you can probably one-punch em
 
you have to get a backstab though, hitting from the side won't drop them and they'll run
 
7:11 PM
oh really?? nvm then
wait are you talking deer or birds
 
okay makes more sense haha
 
sorry missed your bird comment, was catching up on chat
 
no worries!
logic mostly still holds up
It'd be nice if this game set a new precedent for what studios strived for for early access games
but I'm way too pessimistic and jaded to think that will happen
I feel like a wet sock
 
BB you free?
 
7:15 PM
I'm just half-working right now, what sup
 
I wanted to fire up discord voice
 
ahh true yeah i'll never really be available for that during the day for me
other than a quick 2 mins or so haha despite me chatting in here a bunch I usually have stuff I gotta do
 
No worries it's fine, it's nighttime here and I kinda forgot the time difference
 
hehe np man
we'll have to get a weekend thing going someetime
 
yep
 
7:21 PM
have a couple drinks and shoot the shite on discord
 
someday, who knows, Tim might even join
 
Tim
I was thinking about it
 
I think we're growing on tim like cancer
 
Tim has cancer?
 
yeah it must be somewhere in the brain
 
7:26 PM
sounds rough
 
audible laugh at the dark humor, thanks
@CarlAnderson I heared his make-a-wish scenario was meeting us
 
:joy:
 
baha
his make a wish foundation scenario is to meet us so he can re-enact this scene from jay and silent bob strike back
 
@ballBreaker have a funny valheim story I can tell you in discord to avoid spoilers
 
7:30 PM
@Ahmad discord
 
skip to 30 seconds
 
Dave to the rescue
 
lol oneboxes don't timestamp dave
JEEZE DAVE
 
they do it you know how to use the internet
 
7:31 PM
 
also I forgot how NSFW that bit of the movie is, so yeah headphones lmao or be at home
 
get in discord so I can tell you about my midnight unplanned adventure
 
haha okay
 
did you take your gun?
on the adventure?
 
valheim so I took my bow
 
7:33 PM
I mean that's almost like a gun
 
almost
 
@Mehdi xD
 
7:58 PM
alright boys and ladies, have a nice evening!
 
later mehdi
 
cya mehdi
 
 
1 hour later…
9:24 PM
o/
 
o/
 
oh no he's amputated
 
9:44 PM
Idk if I ever shared in here but I started doing some Android streaming on Twitch Wednesday evenings eastern time. Idk if it fits the schedule of most folks here but if you're ever around and wanna stop by please do. :)
 
Wednesday evenings is Rocket League time
 
every day is rocket league time
Do you play, Carl?
 
yes, this past year
currently Plat 2 in doubles
 
:( I have plateau'd so much. All these people who just started recently already at my rank. It happens to me so much haha.
I feel like I've been at Plat 2 forever.
Plat 1/2 border really
 
plat-eau
 
9:47 PM
ayyy
 
lol it was meant to be
 
You know that a plateau is the highest form of flattery, right?
5
 
LOL
I wish you could have seen my face as that hit me.
 
I was like "plateau and imitation aren't even the same word what is he saying"
 
Tim
9:48 PM
that's good
 
One of the IRL things I'm excited to see come back are esport LANs. I went to the Rocket League championship in New Jersey a couple years ago and it was so much fun. I'm really hoping for another one on the east coast some day.
 
nice
yeah I don't know if I'm going to get to diamond or not.. I don't really want to practice a game.
 
Yeah it's a lot of work. I think to get past this rank people have to put in more than just playing games.
 
yeah
my friend keeps sending me "training packs" and I'm like... no thanks
 
@CarlAnderson I feel resonate with this
I feel that way for Valorant right now
 
9:53 PM
I play games to have fun
and I'm a try-hard competitive person
but I don't have the time to do practice
 
^
that's why you don't see active Dads in recreational competitive gaming environments
no time to catch em all, I'll just catch some
- Ash Ketchum as a dad probably
 
10:10 PM
yeah I feel that haha
I get over competitive about stuff and want to get better but can't be fucked to practice / don't have time
I mean I guess I do have time
Id just rather put 110 hours into valheim over 2 weeks
lol
 
10:23 PM
lol
 
Tim
lol
 
11:24 PM
@Ahmad and sometimes @Mauker new music
 

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