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9:09 AM
how do you deal with breaking changes in frameworks you release internally (at a company)?
 
9:24 AM
Tell people I'm breaking stuff, break it on staging 3 days to 1 week later, break it on prod around 2 weeks after initial announcement
If they complain, I react passive aggressively by posting slack links to my initial notification stating that this is going to be broken
 
and how big are your usual breaking changes? like fundamentally different which would require them to plan for an upgrade or minor stuff?
 
There's a broad range
If it is really something that is so huge it'll take more than a couple of days to update integrations,t hen we plan for it in a proper sprint
But general stuff like a field name changing, additional states for something that already exists, config changes, etc, there is no room for mercy
 
what if those teams have already their own next N sprints planned and are already on a tight schedule? (I'm trying to understand the process when you don't really have any visibility or completely different objectives than them)
 
That doesn't usually happen internally - I'm involved in sprint planning for all teams, so any of my stuff that changes is worked in already
For other stuff like public projects though, I'd usually put a workaround/sane defaults/move to v1 and v2 with backporting of non-breaking changes and give a change window
 
9:40 AM
ah okay, so you don't decommission v1, you rather set a deadline for deprecating it
 
That's generally the golang approach to libraries
Semantic versioning is built into the dependency management tooling
so it's expected that if you introduce breaking changes, you increment the major version, and anyone using your library on the older version will only move up on minor version there if you decide to backport/fix stuff on the older version
So both can keep working in parallel
 
right, I think that's what would work best for me, I would prefer to rather push for migrating for more features and and bug fixes, and maybe only fix critical bugs for v1 up to a certain time
 
9:56 AM
That's generally what people do
vN becomes unsupported aside from major bugs/security issues when vN+1 is out
 
yeah, it's just not very convenient when there is only 1 non full-time maintainer
 
10:27 AM
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10:45 AM
This was the most starred message last year on this day:
Jun 11 '19 at 14:13, by Tim Castelijns
can you ask her to make a SO account and open chat so we can meet her?
 
11:18 AM
@Mehdi For internal stuff, you can usually get pretty far with hacks/requests
If you know exactly how everyone is using the current version, there are lots of ways you can put sane defaults for a full switch to v2
What are you breaking exactly?
 
yo mortals
 
11:29 AM
@RaghavSood the structure of what a pipeline step should be, as in base class, new methods to implement etc. So if in v1, you implemented a step by extending a class and implementing a run function and made use of certain utility functions, in v2, you'll inherit from another class and methods to be implemented would have different arguments some of which already include those previous utility functions
 
hi there
how could I achieve this: I want to have a cameraview which is cropped with a moving window (position and size of the cropping window changes per each frame) and also be able to save this as a file.

is textureview the right thing? what should I exactly read to know more about this topic?
 
@Suisse how would rest of the view look like then? just curious what you are trying to make
 
It's been a while since I did any android, but iirc SurfaceView is the way to go. You could also check some Barcode scanner github project (zxing, zbar or newer ones)
 
I would have a layout with different elements, and one of them is just a (circular) cameraview (which has this cropped frame by frame of the live camera)
yeah I also think surfaceview or textureview is the thing to go
 
@Mehdi i used zxing when i didn't even had a beard
 
11:42 AM
the idea is: I saw this on a snapchat filter, however you move and turn the camera from your face away, only your eye is shown (same size)
 
I thought about surfaceview too but since i didn't knew the difference did a google seach and this came up
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Q: What's differences between Surfaceview and TextureView?

Won Chul JoI've been studying Android especially View system. I have a question differences between them but there is no documents or references in my mother language. So I want to know from you guys.

I say go for textureview
my android studio used to take 5+ gigs of ram now its just using 1.7 gigs..
 
thanks asim, yeah looks like
and to get the image cropped from the camera I can use the addFrameProcessor of the camera api
what did you change on android studio?
 
@Suisse it started havin some occasional encoding issues of xml files (starteds showing chinese instead of xml) so i updated it to latest version
 
oO
haha
 
@Mehdi If it is only a structural change, can you release a v1 that internally wraps v2 with default options for the new features?
 
11:54 AM
i recently got infected on my windows and i don't download random stuff idk where it came from and it forced me to update windows so i can enable windows defender, i think it was a trick from microsoft to get me to update windows :~
my cpu usuage is on 1% now, below 10% on avg, used to be 50-80% before update
 
@RaghavSood hmm, I guess I could to a certain extent, but not sure if it's worth the effort, I'll just go with your approach, and give a time limit after which v1 would not evolve anymore
 
I recommend 3 hours
 
hahahaha
 
My new email system is performing pretty well
100k email/400k events over the span of an hour without breaking a sweat
 
what did you use?
 
12:07 PM
listmonk + SES + wrote my own delivery tracker using SNS + postmaster
Server barely even feels the load
 
number of instances of what type?
 
1 dedicated machine on hetzner - 6 core Ryzen/64 gigs of RAM
 
@RaghavSood i like
 
nice :D
 
12:23 PM
@RaghavSood explains why it doesn't feel the load
 
Indeed, you could probably run this off a Pi
 
@RaghavSood your browser is probably utilizing more resources looking at the number of open tabs
 
That's just 1/4 windows, all with similar numbers of tabs :D
I organize by task
1 window per task
if you can achieve something without days of searching and reading, was it worth achieving to begin with?
 
how much does the server cost you?
 
o/
 
12:26 PM
I think around 50 euros
We have a bunch of them by now
 
i have some light ones on hostwinds, they are good
 
We mostly went with hetzner because they're unbeatable on $/tb
 
Going to try doritos guacamole soon
 
And we need a bunch of fast storage
I can't even imagine what it would feel like to try good snacks after years of being homeless
Let us know, new-MwB
Hostwinds looks super expensive for the hardware they're giving you
You can get brand new Ryzen or Intel servers for half to two thirds the cost on hetzner
 
Tim
@MwBakker where di you buy it? My gf wants, but I haven't seen it in any store
 
12:36 PM
Ah! updates again!
Slow servers on top of that, hardly getting 3mbits/s
 
12:58 PM
@Tim at the albert heijn
they are pretty good imo
 
Tim
ok
we have 2 AHs in town, neither has it
 
#cityVibes
 
1:34 PM
nerds lol
 
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@SuchiSingh Banned.
 
1:44 PM
Tomorrow at 0900 I have my presentation of my internship
it's public, if anybody interested
 
Tim
stream it on twitch
 
the church won't allow it
it's a microsoft teams thing, I could send an invite
 
Tim
for me don't bother, I sleep until 10.30
 
lol
what's that about?
 
About nerds of course. Suits you perfectly well.
 
1:53 PM
the prospects of the memeconomy in an ever nerdy increasing ecosystem
 
@Tim Well.. ok :(
I could mail you a bag of doritos guacamole
 
I need that
 
@MwBakker good luck! :) I unfortunately have a conflicting meeting. Would love to watch a recording later on if any, though
 
Thank you
If no english speaking people will attend I'll keep it in Dutch though
 
I don't think it's logical though, since you're an english speaker yourself
 
2:03 PM
what isn't logical?
 
you're conditioning presenting in english by the attendance of english speakers, since you are yourself an english speaker, your condition evaluates to true - nvm, it was a very lame joke
 
2:22 PM
Word
 
@Mehdi heh ok
 
2:36 PM
PowerPoint
 
2:48 PM
See - not illegal
How is everyone doing in this weird old world of ours? Good?
 
good but overwhelmed by all the international news
how are you?
 
I wish that the world turns back to normal, it sucks being locked inside for too long
Also, heyo!
 
Tim
3:07 PM
taseer man Haven't seen you in like 6 months
 
I have been busy working, I can't waste this year
But, I have been coming here, mostly just saying hello and going away, how you doing?
 
Tim
I've not seen you
I'm not doing great, taking 2 weeks off starting on monday
 
what's wrong?
 
Tim
my battery is drained
 
understandable... are you planning to go somewhere to change the air?
 
Tim
3:18 PM
yeah going to take a 2 week trip in gielinor
 
hahaha XD (had to google it)
 
I remember, you previously you said that you were working hard
 
Tim
lol
yes I've been postponing my time off for a long time because it feels like a waste cause I can't go anywhere anyway
but I've reached the point where I just don't want to work anymore for a while
it took me a really long time to say "fuck the deadlines, I need time off"
 
Oh okay, enjoy your 2 weeks :D
 
@Tim now go claim your senior title with pride :D
 
3:22 PM
@Tim lol i'll see you here next tuesday discussing Android and bashing on databinding
 
i'm also off for 2 weeks starting tuesday \o/ losing last year's carried over vacation days otherwise
@MwBakker been a while since he didn't take a strong stance against databinding :D
 
3:42 PM
heyo
 
o/
 
how u doin
 
kinda nervous for the presentation tomorrow
and after that comes the worst part, finishing the thesis
 
ohhhh nice man, what's the presentation for, the thesis as well?
 
3:58 PM
yep
Oh I forgot I do have some drama for you guys
 
nice man, yeah i wasnt a huge fan of the thesis presentation and all that haha
thesis was probably my least favourite thing I did
in uni
 
Same
 
I actually enjoyed them 🙈 It always felt to me like it was finally my time to sell my hard work for a good grade :D
 
So no drama?
 
never in my case, both presentations were very smooth
tip, if you wanna give more value to your work in front of your professors / jury, might be worth bringing your company mentor in the presentation, it implies that the company is satisfied of your work enough that they decided to show up
 
4:06 PM
@Mehdi hahah well maybe its because I didn't do any hard work then
 
and in case there is a pesky professor in the jury who questions the value of the solution business wise (happens a lot due to the disconnect between the professional world and academia), your mentor can jump in and explain the value
@ballBreaker XD
 
@Mehdi he is there
And they will also use both the thesis and the product it's guarranteed
 
cool! then just focus on your story telling :)
 
Well there is the problem
The story is supposed to be half an hour
last time practise was a full hour
 
1h is too long and can be boring, we had 20min presentation, and 40min exchange
 
4:10 PM
1h is not even allowed
I have 30 max
 
your slides should only have figures and short sentences or bullet points
the details should be explained verbally as you show the slides, that's how you captivate your audience
 
@Mehdi I know, it's common practise of powerpoint
@Mehdi but that is exactly what I do
It's just a lot to tell
because of the miscommunication the project's research expanded to other levels
 
focus on the points where the value is obvious and impactful
 
there is a lot of info I need to cut, eventhough I already had made cuts. Going to practise some more with a timer now
 
still confused about popbackstack and popbackstackimmediate....
 
4:11 PM
you can detail the rest by answering their questions
 
I prefer not to have questions, at the company presentation I had none which felt great
 
that's a lot of requirements :D
 
Barely none is what I meant
 
being able to answer questions is like the only proof that you're mastering the scope of your thesis
 
of course
but the lesser questions you get at the end, the better
it means it was all clear and you scoped everything correctly
 
4:14 PM
or that they didn't understand shit of your presentation
 
then you will know that
 
my point being, you can't compress all your thesis in a 20min presentation, so it's normal to have a complementary exchange, you shouldn't be scared of it
 
Hellooooo people
 
I find the time limit utter nonsense and an insult to the work a student has made. But I have to adjust so this is now the most work. Also means I now have to shift some stuff to questions yes
 
but make sure you hint of these concepts briefly when presenting, without explaining
o/ nyak!
 
4:18 PM
@Mehdi yep
 
hahaha my thesis presentation was like 20 mins me explaining wat I did and then the last 40 minutes of a heated debate with a professor about it
I remember at one point getting frustrated and saying "well you just have no idea what you're tlaking about"
 
a debate? what happened haha
 
the funny part is that he was right in the end
 
Sounds lovely
 
ehhh he just challenged my approach, my thesis was on using computer vision w/ some physics algorithms to unravel a curved label off of say a beer bottle and display it as a 2D image, and I was trying to do i tjust using one picture
 
4:21 PM
you mean the training part?
 
1 fish-eye lens photo + some computer vision fuckery , I got pretty close, but he was basically saying "I don't understand how this is going to work, you're saying that you can just extract additional information that you don't have" something along those lines and I basically just said he didnt know what he was talking about
but in the end he was right
 
@ballBreaker lmao
 
I think I got let off easy though because the guy before me in his presentation literally said "Well you know, it might seem like I haven't really done a lot of work for this.. and to be honest, I haven't"
 
(y)
 
I bursted out laughing during his presentation when he said that
 
4:23 PM
A guy in my promotion tried "We began this stage as children, we ended it as men". He got quicked out
 
I never in my entire school career thought I would hear anyone in a presentation admit to doing nothing
I think about him sometimes
@Nyakouai lmao nice
he lost his virginity to his thesis
 
He didn't, he didn't get the degree
 
hahaha
 
yo
 
hahahaha
 
4:24 PM
@Nyakouai what was their justification?
 
that's hilarious because the guy I mentioned ended up passing
 
@Mehdi He did nothing. Like, he was a nice enough guy, but the biggest freeloader we have ever known. This guy used to tag in groups, do nothing and bullshit his way through the presentations. Teachers knew that. He graded poorly and just managed passing grades everytime... Until he had to present alone on the last one. This time, the bullshit didn't pass :P
 
ah yes... the guy that always asks to add his name on the assignments XD
 
hahaha damn I hated those people
I hated doing group projects in engineering so much because I swear 50% of the people were illiterate
I'd get someone's section for a report and then have to spend 30 mins to an hour just editing it so it made sense
IDK if other degrees had this but engineering specifically had a literacy test you had to pass to get your degree
 
literacy? as in... if you know how to read?
 
4:29 PM
yeah, you know how to read and write lol
 
The only team I was assigned as group leader, we were 6. We had this guy (never showed up, stole part of the presentation so he had something to say), and two exchange students. They were so incompetent, we let them do "research", as that was what they wanted, and just asked them not to modify anything without consultation, especially one file. Guess what file got a conflict the day before the presentation?
 
I think the reasoning was twofold, there were a lot of immigrants that went into engineering (big pull from Asian countries as well as Indian and some middle-east) so lots of ESL people in the program, and secondly engineers are just typically bad at writing because they're too math-oriented
hahaha rough
I loved being project leaders for that stuff because I would delegate out more work for the rest of the team than I would take on for myself
But then you often get bit in the ass when they don't do as much as you wanted and you have to fill in the gaps.. making you end up taking on more than planned
 
hahaha, I used to enjoy having those freeloaders with me, a friend and I liked to work on our own for the tech part and then we would ask the freeloaders to make the report pretty
 
And they actually did? Useful freeloaders? Naaaah
 
3 years in, we had a usual freeloader who would approach me: I can take care of the formatting of the report
 
4:34 PM
hahaha awesome
tbh sometimes the layout was the worst part
 
that's why we had to find a freeloader who wouldn't bother doing word stuff XD
@Nyakouai the ones who don't even try are the worst tbh, once or twice okay, but more than that it gets irritating
 
hahaha yeah thats fair, I was that freeloader sometimes
engineers were so writing-adverse sometimes I'd be like "well how about I do nothing for 90% of the time and then just write the final report"
 
looking back in time, I think it was an important step of the assignments, writing a report
 
oh big time
 
took me 1 year of working to stop yawning when writing a +2 pages document
 
4:39 PM
After graduating it turned out that 85% of engineering was just writing reports
which is a big big reason why I got out of that field
damn eh, I still yawn everytime I have to write anything
 
I became a form of tired which sleep can't fix
cause of my thesis
 
feel ya mwb
 
The mythic student state
You'll get used to it
 
hahaha I felt like a superhuman back in those days
now if I don't sleep 9 hours i become a baby
 
@Nyakouai since may I have been just living off my sidejobs and work at some student related stuff
it feels like vacation, it feels wrong though
 
4:46 PM
@ballBreaker lol haha
I usually get 6-7 hours of sleep per night nowadays
 
I used to have an healthy back
 
work hard play hard
 
Now, it creaks when I get up
 
XD
 
ahaha
 
4:50 PM
Don't laugh, I'm 25, way too soon to have a f*cked up back
 
hahaha
I had a fucked up back when I was 16 so I can't say anything
it's actually fine now though after years of working out
But I know I started feeling old when I would start involuntarily grunting when I would get up from sitting or when sitting down
 
i m 24
 
"uuurgh"
*stands up*
 
I felt that...
 
stretches "ohh fuuuck"
 
4:52 PM
"aaaaaah"
*stand down*
 
haha
yeah lmao
 
lol i don't dot that
 
This might be not safe for this chat so tell me to delete it, but the biggest indicator for me that I was getting old, is when I finally understood the meaning of "too tired for sex"
 
wow
 
There is that stage in oldness? Oo Nooooooo....
 
4:54 PM
how old are you?
 
At least 62
 
haha
 
I can't remember if I'm turning 28 or 29 this year
which is probably another indicator im getting old in itself
 
wooww
well I always do the math
luckily 2020 is quite easy for me
 
yeah I'm struggling more than necessary considering I have an easy birthday for this year as well
but ill be 28 in like 11 days
 
4:56 PM
Happy bday in advance, cause we wi...
Plus you're moving it
 
@Nyakouai ...will forget, because we're old?
 
YOLO
gets up from bed
 
No, it'll be a Sunday
 
or in terms you programmers will understand I'm 882,709,012,000 milliseconds old (at the time of writing this)
 
make that binary
 
4:57 PM
@ballBreaker if I could compute that, I wouldn't need a computer to make a living
 
hehehe
@Nyakouai Thanks man! Yeah it's a Sunday so I'll make sure to come in here on the Friday to be showered with birthday love..
 
i actually always thought you were 28 bb, so I guess... welcome to our 28 club (murat and I)
 
I think we're both '92 right?
 
91' here
 

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