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2:00 PM
Anyway, you should read this : kotlinlang.org/docs/tutorials/kotlin-for-py/…
And don't trust forums, not other R15 members than me
Only trust official documentation
@TaseerAhmad
 
I find your statements outrageous! How dare you come in here and speak like that
 
Ok @TaseerAhmadyou can trust Tim too
But anyone else!
Specially raghav!
 
why is there a migrating from python guide but not migrating from c++???
 
user443346
What about migrating from PHP?
 
user443346
....
 
2:04 PM
Ok Tim... It looks like you're not contributing to the drama any more :(
 
what about what? My profanity filter is blocking the rest of the sentence
 
Zoe
@TimCastelijns Who would want to migrate from C++?!
 
@Zoe People who care about their hair
6
 
it doesn't matter, but c++ users are being discriminated here, they too deserve a migration guide
 
Zoe
@TaseerAhmad Right, because Java and IntelliJ with cache invalidation to magically fix bugs you mean? Because that's a lot better.
 
2:06 PM
lol
 
good good zoe is contributing @RaymondArteaga
 
@TimCastelijns because they cant get their pointers right?
 
Morning Boys
 
hello boy
 
No migration from C# cause it's just the best
 
2:10 PM
(And Zoe and Whomper - let no one say this is a gender unequal room)
 
and zucc
 
Zoe
@TimCastelijns I thought Zucc died?
 
OOF
 
@Graeme are you implying there are only two genders
boy and not-boy
 
2:15 PM
the JVM is my safe space
 
Be careful or you'll get garbage collected
 
nah cause I'm all up in that object graph
 
sounds naughty
 
Zoe
@ballBreaker nah, only trash can get GC'd
And crabs. So I've been told anyway.
 
@Zoe yeah she dies every 2 weeks
 
2:21 PM
@ballBreaker I agree that those are two categories that explain 100% of the population
 
I knew it
Man and Not-man are now the two only genders in the world
I decree this as law
 
user443346
For once I'll keep my mouth shut.
 
@Zoe Don't waste perfectly good crabs, gotta eat em up
 
@TaseerAhmad XD
 
risky bB. If someone flags that message you'll be suspended for sure
 
2:27 PM
I guess it's a roll of the bones now, can't edit or delete
 
@TimCastelijns which one
 
46407135
 
man/notman one
 
One can get flagged for mentioning XX or XY?
 
Zoe
:face_palm:
 
2:28 PM
A person who identifies as null might get offended
 
identificaion does not change any scientific fact
 
alright boys, let's switch the topic, this is not me censoring you
 
yeah gender politics usually don't end well for people's feelings
I watched the first episode of that demon slayer last night
Had to switch it though, I wasn't in the mood for reading
 
thoughts?
 
First episode seemed good
Hard to tell based off just the first though
 
2:31 PM
it goes pretty fast from there on
 
nice :D
 
@Jordy nice idea
 
I then switched to "The Dirt" on netflix, the motley crue movie
Had to turn that off too because it was pumping me TF up
Just made me wanna go out and party
 
BB you're such a troll :P
I'm totally giving that girl you work with your home address
 
hahah
 
2:32 PM
And a late valentines day card from you
 
She already knows where I live v_v
 
@ballBreaker but you didn't when you remembered you were 27?
 
she knew the location because of the smoke coming from the bimmer
 
@Graeme Wait a sec hol up
how do YOU know my home address :thinking:
 
plottwist: Graeme is your employer
 
2:34 PM
@MehdiB. It was the whole having to go to bed in like 30 minutes aspect lol
So yea, remembered I'm getting older every day
@MwBakker oh god
 
user443346
@MwBakker In 2k19? Sure.
 
I was wondering if you would notice that
 
You going to the pride parade this year Graeme?
 
Who do you think helpfully left your toilet seat up last night when you went to the bathroom? You're welcome.
 
2:35 PM
/ do you ever go?
@Graeme Oh god NOOOO don't! My cat will get in there
 
I mean... I dunno. It's a bit terrifying for me. I have Agoraphobia
 
For reals?
Sorry to hear that if you do
 
For reals - it's not a big deal
 
user443346
EID MUBARAK
 
user443346
For the islamic coders under us.
 
2:42 PM
w...what?
 
Eid Mubarak
 
yea never heared of that
 
user443346
Neandertal
 
user443346
Suikerfeest
 
@Jordy did you just assume evolution??
 
2:45 PM
@Graeme I looked up the definition and it's not the same as I thought
I thought it was basically afraid to leave the house but it's way more vague than that
 
Oh, yeah, no, not that
From what I remember Agora is latin for Marketplace or something?
So, fear of marketplaces, which is kind of valid
 
> Agoraphobia (ag-uh-ruh-FOE-be-uh) is a type of anxiety disorder in which you fear and avoid places or situations that might cause you to panic and make you feel trapped, helpless or embarrassed.
 
Wow... that is a vague description. Where'd you find that?
 
First google result
but then "fear of leaving the home" also gives me this
> Agoraphobia: Fear of Leaving Home. Fear of being alone outside your home, where escape and assistance might be difficult, is called agoraphobia. This phobia may involve fear of being on a bridge, a busy street, or in a crowded mall or elevator.
 
user443346
@MwBakker If evolution exists, explain my existence.
 
2:48 PM
That's interesting because I actually developed Agoraphobia then, but through meds have gotten through it
I was super scared of being in meetings, because I couldn't escape them (if I had a panic attack)
 
@Jordy mutation.
 
It seems like the scope of Agoraphobia is quite large
 
what is the cause of such phobia?
 
The fact of leaving home
 
the root cause*
 
2:52 PM
I had a joke in mind but learned from my suspension, TIL
 
user443346
The root cause of autism is PHP
3
 
so that is what they have been injecting me
 
lmao jordy
 
"Triggers for this anxiety may include wide-open spaces, crowds (social anxiety), or traveling (even short distances). Agoraphobia is often, but not always, compounded by a fear of social embarrassment, as the agoraphobic fears the onset of a panic attack and appearing distraught in public."
 
user443346
^ I had this untill I realised 99.9999999% of the world is stupid AF and I shouldn't care at all about other peoples opinion
 
2:57 PM
It's like... a super useless word on reflection :P
 
@Jordy same, untill I met the void of suspension
 
Yeah it's way too broad
@Jordy wow thanks I'm cured!
 
@ballBreaker you were not creeped out by the scenes with the girls and the creatures?
 
TBH I didn't watch the full episode, but when there was like the whole family dead?
That was pretty cool actually
 
wait
different slayers. My bad I thought you watched another series
 
3:01 PM
goblin slayer :D
 
ooooohhh
Yeah I loved that
Top 3 anime for me
 
top 1 yikes for me
 
I should watch it with my mom and dad next time, maybe some of my little cousins
Show them what japan is all about
 
Hey @WarrenFaith I tried to do what you asked but I still ended up in a simlar place. I updated my question instead of code diarrhea here in chat. stackoverflow.com/questions/56352681/…
 
user443346
user image
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3:07 PM
@Rob did you change your picture so that it wasn't so easy for me to make you into a dog?
 
I have an sdk here that has an undocumented feature that checks if the app has location permission and if it does, collects your location data. What do you think about that? (it does not request the permission, it just leeches off of it if it is already granted)
@Matt about the comment about androidx, androidx is the modern version of the support libraries. com.android.support is deprecated, google releases everything as androidx artifact these days
 
Is anyone here going to play WoW Classic when it comes out ??
 
Thanks. I was trying to understand that. I can't really make that change without dropping the whole course I was taking though. I feel I might divert too much. However its better than being stuck period.
 
@TimCastelijns I don't find it ethical, because it doesn't have a purpose on the app itself for UX, but all the big apps do it so...
 
if the course is not about UI testing specifically, it might be easier to skip the espresso part
but there are legal implications mehdi
you can't just collect location data
 
3:16 PM
Stop talking about Android and answer my question plz
 
wow classic is just an old school runescape wannabe
 
old school runescape is just an old school tibia wannabe
:<
 
shut up
 
@TimCastelijns if it's a PII data, all they have to do is make sure the user is able to opt out, right?
 
@TimCastelijns you shut your mouth when you talk to me, mister!
 
3:20 PM
no, you must provide a privacy policy explaining why and how you handle the data, and you must link to it both in the app and in the play store listing. I don't think it matters if you can match it to a specific user or not
play store says "Personal and sensitive user data includes, but isn't limited to, personally identifiable information, financial and payment information, authentication information, phonebook, contacts SMS and call related data, microphone and camera sensor data, and sensitive device or usage data. If your app handles sensitive user data, then you must:"
 
@TimCastelijns sneaky
 
Ok, I am in the mood of roasting someone, anyone willing to be sacrificed?
 
Go ahead
 
Sure buddy, try
 
Nah, I might get flagged, who knows
 
3:24 PM
pussy
 
^
 
I was trying to read the privacy policy of the store but seems like they moved it
 
I vote to ban Taseer the next time he does this
Get everyone excited about something then make a big deal about it and go "nevermind"
 
3:26 PM
yes, it's where I quoted from
 
so google is probably down for me downdetector.com/status/google/map
 
ur banned from google permanently
 
what do you have in mind Tim? concerning the course of action you deem necessary
@ballBreaker :(
 
I find it funny that in that down detector map if you zoom out it just duplicates the world
pretty shite design mate
 
I opened an issue laying out my concerns, requesting to make this feature optional
 
3:30 PM
Is that a joke from developers?
Look what it says in the tab
 
btw where does it ships the coordinates, the sdk's parent company?
 
"!!1"
IIRC, this was a joke from MLG videos and such
 
to some online dashboard. A bunch of data provided by the user is sent there, that is the purpose of the sdk
 
!!1 is a joke as old as "lol"
 
Unknown command '!!1 is a joke as old as "lol"'
 
3:33 PM
I find it odd, you should be able to track whatever it is you wanna track, not having something obligatorily tracked by the sdk
 
ofuk new Com Truise album
 
it's not obligatory per se :) it only does it when the user has given the app location permission (for another reason of course). If there is no permission, it just skips that part
 
yes, I mean that you as a developer should enable things you wanna track, not the opposite
 
indeed
 
instead of "if loc permission", it should be: "if tracked && loc permission"
 
3:37 PM
&& user explicitly granted permission for this feature
I added this note
> I have an app that requires location permission to use BLE features. Because users are often reluctant to grant location permission for BLE features, the app tells the user it needs location just for that feature, and that it will never actually use the location data. Integrating the SDK as it currently functions would contradict that.
 
but you could think that "tracked" is enough, if you're the responsible for (not)tracking it if the user (dis)agrees
but then that becomes your responsibility to manage this and just ask the sdk to track it or not
 
oh, yes
 
I have a question
Do you guys got side 'hustle'?
 
I had a blog for a bit but got bored. My attention span is much too low for side hustles
 
weak
just like Tim
 
3:50 PM
@TimCastelijns i just realised it's awfully phrased, glad you made sense of it XD
 
@ballBreaker what kind of blog?
 
actually I didn't read it all, I saw some keywords and made up the context from them
 
@TaseerAhmad cocaine
No just kidding
 
@MwBakker niceeee
I like coke
 
tl;dr - sdk: IT, you: legal. ==> sdk: should I track or not? you: yes / no + "hey user ...."
 
3:58 PM
21 mins ago, by Tim Castelijns
indeed
 
@TaseerAhmad self improvement blog
 
the irony though
 
heh a self improvement blog quit due to lack of willpower
 
@ballBreaker motivational speaking? hovering on the kick button
 
I have friends that had a fase before hitting the gym listening to some wide bloke screaming at them
I believe one of the videos was actually Murat
 
4:01 PM
@MwBakker chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/15?m=46235685#46235685 emphasise on the environment XD
 
hahahha not motivational speaking, just a blog on improvement topics; procrastination, work ethic, working out, etc
 
I hate that sensational motivation video where the music starts off lightly and progressively gets louder xd
 
But yeah, that shit takes way too long to make money off of
I'm great at giving advice and horrible at following
I tutored for a bit, but meh
 
Oct 24 '17 at 15:42, by Tim Castelijns
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Oct 24 '17 at 15:42, by Tim Castelijns
I may have found murat for real
 
hahaha
 
4:04 PM
Is that a fucking shake weight
That might possibly be the worst stock photo I've ever seen, and by that I mean, the best
hehe
 
@ballBreaker Well just be great then
 
I saw your messages dw
 
that'll be 20 euro per Paypal then
Internet screwed it up here
 
feel free to re-delete them
 
Damnit
 
4:05 PM
lmao
Just because you repeated yourself doesn't mean the person will listen more
That'll be 20 euros please
 
@TaseerAhmad depends on the category though * wink *
@ballBreaker so we're even now
Gotta go, cya later
 
cya dude(s)
 
same cya
 
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same, bye!
 
4:25 PM
o/
 
5:05 PM
o/
 
@TimCastelijns Depends what country your in - any country with strong data protection laws would mean they have the ability to sue unless the app asks for consent to that data being harvested
 
5:21 PM
o/
 
o/ all
 
 
I thought I hated reading books, turns out I was just lazy
 
for the record i did not pin these myself
 
that's exactly what you would say if you did
 
5:23 PM
you can't prove anything m8
 
LIES
 
one of these days you'll slip up, and when you do, I'll be waiting
 
i did nothing wrong sir
 
EW
White theme on SO
Gross
 
Wait, SO has black theme?
 
I think there's a chrome plugin
 
I use Firefox
 
Inferior chrome
 
Sucks to suck!
 
Firefox is now Chrome++
 
5:26 PM
no u
 
no u
 
because it still blocks ads
 
chrome is good but eats up a lot of system resources. i like firefox
 
That's very fair
 
what if I don't want to install malicious js written by rlemon
 
5:26 PM
chrome is a hog
That's also fair
 
ff is good
 
I would agree with you guys fully, but then we would all be wrong
 
chrome is like a virus which just clog your pc
 
I use the android emulator to browse the internet
mostly through an api 14 webview with custom controls
 
@Ahmad 😂
 
5:27 PM
I actually use the Hyperion browser that NASA built
 
hackers got nothing on me
 
lol ahmad
 
I was just lying and kidding the whole time
 
@Ahmad I use network requests on the main thread to get the HTML then draw and nest fragments such that there's a fragment for each element
 
u guys r nerds
 
5:31 PM
I hope you use the apache2 lib
i read on reddit that okhttp has been compromised by jake wharton himself
 
dont forget to use jquery
 
@Ahmad dude that reminds me of when android just started and I didn't have a phone but found a hack for using the play store on an emulator
 
what was the hack?
OH the hack was using the emulator lol
but wasn't it super hard to install google stuff on the emulator back then
I remember I spent an entire day once rooting my emulator just so I could install the play store on it
 
yeah they didn't want the emulator downloading from the play store
but there was some way around it
 
those were the good days
 
5:43 PM
maybe that's what I did, rooting
I feel like an old man in the android world compared to all the new devs we have at work
 
true the old days
imagine the froyo days
 
How valueable are certificates from Coursera?
 
-$0.12
i feel like it has negative value actually
 
lol
 
Yeah I'm going to agree
 
5:58 PM
o/
 
99% of certificates are bogus AF
 
\o
 
I had to scroll up and make sure we weren't talking about signing certs lool
 
lol keystore
hiya adam
 
o/ CF
 
5:59 PM
whats up?
 

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