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12:10 AM
@MehdiB. lol I'm alright, just venting/complaining extra loudly
 
12:43 AM
@JBis Thank you!
 
 
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1:49 AM
Ribbit
 
2:17 AM
No.
 
2:52 AM
@TimCastelijns Thanks lol. But you're probably already better than I'll ever be. :) My main focus isn't programming. It's more of means to an end for me.
 
3:11 AM
Is there any chinese developer?
 
As in the language or the nationality?
 
 
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5:13 AM
Ribbit ribbit
 
Ribbit ribbit ;)
 
5:38 AM
No.
xD
 
5:52 AM
adds ZarNi to recipe
 
6:21 AM
o/
 
6:33 AM
\o
 
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!!!!! :D
 
gm WOMP.
 
6:49 AM
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7:41 AM
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8:02 AM
\o
 
Hiya Rumit, Suraj, Warren, Mehdi!!!!!!! :D
 
hmm I just read that you can observe remote data with graphql
 
Web sockets or long polling?
 
sockets
 
Nice
 
8:19 AM
read here btw learn.hasura.io/graphql/android/introduction very good resource
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I saw the use when I once had to return a redirect URL (for images) on a service, so I could test on subsequent calls if the image is still on the local storage or if it finished all the processing and was ready on the CDN
 
the use for graphql?
 
The use of this pattern of observing remote changes on an asynchronous backend
 
god morning
 
8:37 AM
🙏
 
nerds
 
o/
oh it's not free, it's 79$
Jan 10 at 8:35, by Tim Castelijns
yeah I guess they don't value education that much...
 
o/
@TimCastelijns are you using that somewhere?
 
no I just found out it exists, I'm not that fast
 
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8:50 AM
o/
 
9:19 AM
79$ isn't too much but I wonder if it helpful
 
What's up babies
 
@ToraCode check the content (the preview lessons), it seems it has good stuff in it. Also has some free courses
 
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Happy to announce I'm only here to give my morning greetings to @W0MP3R o/
 
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Au revoir
 
I have returned
 
9:23 AM
I checked and it good. But I always afraid of trailer. Like a marvel trailer movie
 
@MehdiB. Systems design is super interesting
There are a number of good books you can find in most libraries
I went through An Introduction to General Systems Thinking by Weinberg recently
There's also Thinking in Systems: A Primer by Donella Meadows, which is considered to be a must read for a good base in the space
 
> Originally published: February 12, 1975
 
And The Fifth Discipline by Senge
If you want more generalized approaches, there's also a great blog on mental models: fs.blog/mental-models
 
@RaghavSood this one seems good, it has 240 pages, so pretty doable
 
They're quite easy to read, the chapters build on each other, and it usually helps to pause in between and try to apply the concepts
I usually spend 4-6 weeks stepping through books like this
And making notes in my own personal kb
Which is how I'm able to look them up so fast :D
 
9:27 AM
is it applied? or do you have to come up with applications yourself?
 
your cache is one kb?
 
They're not very applied, not in the way the instagram thing you linked is
They occasionally take examples, but leave the actual experimentation and implementation up to you, if you want to go that far
@TimCastelijns It's my kb, hands off
 
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9:30 AM
I've found that the main issue is that a lot of this stuff is hard to retain in the clean, logical way the books/blogs present it - it mostly comes down to picking a few approaches and trying to build stuff with them (even if you just flesh out a design, no need to code it up), until that kind of thinking becomes part of your flow for tasks that might require it
Treating it just like a book just leads to forgetting or half remembering most of the stuff
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Hiya Tim, ToraCode, Murat, CF, Jordy, Taseer, Raghav!!!!!! :D
 
hello #1 starred message ratio
 
+1 hello
 
@RaghavSood yeah, and I don't wanna become a guru of system designs, just what I'd need to be independent to a certain extent
 
9:33 AM
If you go through the above stuff, you'll be able to tackle more or less any problem you'd hit
 
@R15-Zucc read it, thanks
 
Might need to do some more reading if you start doing google scale stuff
But for 99% of use cases, you'll be fine
 
We all had physics in school
look at this prodigy
 
@giangnguyen I feel like you might want to read them some more
 
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Robots don't have feelings Raghav
 
9:35 AM
@giangnguyen read more, countryman
 
@MuratKaragöz apparently this person is deep in war with the laws of physics
 
@MuratKaragöz well he remembered he had to apply another force to counter the P force XD
 
@Jordy Not with that attitude
 
@murat we've had a nice conversation yesterday night, since you're 27 you may be interested 😂
 
I am all ears
 
@Jordy 😳 Good Morning to you too :D
 
@MehdiB. am too old for that shieet
 
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9:48 AM
@W0MP3R How is life
 
o/
@Jordy smooth operator
 
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Smooth criminal
 
@giangnguyen revoked
 
@Jordy Pretty much same as yesterday haha
Still working with a slooooow VM
 
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Crank it up!
 
9:54 AM
I can't :(
 
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What is the issue? Ram/cpu?
 
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Or Chrome nomnomming all your resources :D?
 
pretty sure it's RAM/CPU
not chrome nomnoming 'cause I don't have chrome in the vm x3
 
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Oh wait, only your VM is slow?
 
yep
well... it's not really a VM. It's a machine on an azure server
 
10:11 AM
hmm
morning all
 
Hiya CF!!!! :D
 
sup womp how are you today?
 
@W0MP3R One of our products relies on Azure, it is by far the slowest of all our services
By at least a couple of orders of magnitude
 
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Jun 13 '18 at 17:40, by Tim Castelijns
you can use a different attribute of course but don't complain that it doesn't work
 
it seems thet they Azure you it to be slow
 
10:26 AM
🤣🤣
 
@MwBakker Parse error: syntax error, unexpected gibberish, expected English
 
you wot mate
 
xD
 
10:44 AM
How do sloths actually survive
aren't they like easy prey
 
Have you seen their nails??
those are huge
 
they need two hours to swing with their nails
 
Lol
 
@MuratKaragöz they hide well to sleep, and even when moving down for hunting, they move so slow they don't attract attention of predators
I love them, especially their smile
 
HMM
 
10:52 AM
I saw chimpanzees eating each other, why not the sloths
 
look at that smile
 
creepy
 
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That's me
 
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Had a good lunch so I'm ready to roll
 
serious question, say you're working on adding something to someone elses code, is it ok to do a mass refactoring without their consent? or is it best to get their ok first?
 
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11:04 AM
Nvm this comment - i read it totally wrong
 
I would feel attacked
unless he says my code is shit
Most of the time every code has his own invisible hierarchy on one does things, so I always try to not change much
 
cool, I'll just add whatever I have to add
 
@MuratKaragöz isn't that the general way of coding?
 
My code is never shit
 
11:20 AM
I meant to quote the second sentence
"Most of the time every code has his own invisible hierarchy on one does things"
Damn mobile
 
I came to the conclusion that python is not a good language for new programmers
 
Got a question, the code in my gist works, but would it be better to you a callback here or won't it matter since I am working with an Observable thus it will get notified on changes anyway?
 
wtf is that
 
I"ll add more to it
it's an Observable<CustomAdapter> that gets set with a List
 
Observable is a mechanism where you notify the attached listeners, while a callback is used to notify the caller
 
11:28 AM
@MehdiB. I think you should start with a statically typed, compiled language. So there is less magic going on
 
@MehdiB. our school starts with Java and PHP
 
@TimCastelijns spot on, and with strong OOP focus, to teach how to structure the code
@MwBakker I think java is good, but I feel like C should come first for things like pointers and memory management, then java to put some order in the lot
 
C was only for technical IT :(
 
@MuratKaragöz he acts like a rope or something
 
@MwBakker a callback should be named after when it is invoked, not what class/view it's invoked on
 
11:30 AM
o/
 
@MwBakker what is your field?
 
I am mainly doing Java and I always catch myself trying to control the garbage collector
 
@MehdiB. software dev
 
what's the difference between the 2?
 
@MuratKaragöz yes I meant to say it will be notified when the list is set
 
11:32 AM
we distinguish between programming software and hardware, mehdi
 
aah okay
 
difference is one gets to work with hardware based coding like C and C++ and such while the other gets C#, VUE, Java, Android, PHP and such
@TimCastelijns so since the code is working and showing no flaws in the list a callback is not required?
What I am trying to say is, it sets the List to the adapter after the for-loop
So that is correct, but maybe that is coincidence that I should not rely on?
 
idk
what is the callback for?
 
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@W0MP3R Azure is known for their performance issues
 
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11:39 AM
Unpopular opinion: AppleScript is a good first lang
 
@TimCastelijns the callback would be to attach the list to the adapter
 
never heard of that language JBis :D
 
But in the gist it's already doing this after the for-loop so I thought maybe a callback is not needed here
 
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Obvious troll is obvious
 
Very few people have (that don't have a mac). It's an Apple Mac scripting language. The syntax is very English like but has same fundamentals of all programming languages. Not strictly typed.
 
11:41 AM
storageListAdapterObsv -> you should not have Observable<Adapter> instead you should have a Observable<List<UIStorage>> and let the guy who subscribes to this observable decide what to do with that list. That guy can say ok adapter here is some new data, and here is a callback to invoke when X happes
 
@JBis "buy our development liconse", "buy our products to test it" "become member for only $100 a month" <- you may now be able to perform Javascript programming on our apple devices
@TimCastelijns you're right, the only reason I made the Adapter an Observable is because it's bound in the XML but I can use a regular getter() setter() for that
 
The List is a LiveData
 
also the work that executor is doing should go in the repository
 
Ah damn I already thought that
 
11:43 AM
everything that has "dao" in its name should not leave the repo
 
But then the repository should have a callback from the viewmodel
 
@MwBakker Microsoft is equivalent if not more expensive.
 
@TimCastelijns the original part of that code did that
Check I updated the gist
 
And Apple script is free.
 
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Well that would be the first thing for free by Apple.
 
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Bet you bought the iStandard right away
 
> Pursuit Fellows—individuals with high need and potential who raise their average annual salaries from $18,000 to $85,000 pre to post program and work at leading tech companies—echoed that sentiment.
How to exaggerate 1 0 1
 
try to make it more like this:
 
The main reason I think it's a good first Lang is because it reads like English. set x to 5 or if x equals 5 then [..] end if
also you can convert it to JavaScript
 
storageRepository.getStorageUnits(executor).observe(owner, storageUnits -> {
        _storageUnits = storageUnits;
 });
 
11:46 AM
@MuratKaragöz "[...] 4 years intensive program", basically like uni, and 85k is probably what uni graduates make right after graduation
 
where _storageUnits is a livedata and storageUnits is not
 
p/
ma doods
 
yo bro!
 
YO
 
btw just heard that we, Eric and me, are not going to droidcon, so we need to make a new meetup in Berlin at another time/place
 
11:47 AM
yo
 
oh nooo
 
beside that, begin of July I am on vacation
 
:(
 
nice about the vacation
 
3 weeks parental leave... making a trip north to Sweden
 
11:48 AM
damn I just got myself a free ticket to droidcon ;_;
nice!
 
oh sweden coool
 
by car?
 
yeah
 
oh sweet, how long does that take?
 
we make a round trip with multiple stops in betwwen
 
11:49 AM
@TimCastelijns ok but so my main question then is at .getStorageUnits(executor) there would be no need for a callback?
 
sweden seems quite near to germany , i didnt realize it
 
fun fact: Berlin has almost half as many people as Sweden together
 
at least from berlin
 
wat
holy shit
 
Flensburg -> Copenhagen -> Smaland (10 days) -> Gøteburg -> Malmø -> Warnemünde (all together 21 days)
 
11:50 AM
I didn't know sweden was that small
sweeet
 
you don't need a callback for saying "hey man I have new data for you" if you are already delivering the data with an observable
 
there are only penguins and polar bears
 
sweden has half population than city of mumbai here
 
I thought your callback was a click listener
 
yeah, we do the stops in between for the kids not to be too long in the car at once
 
11:51 AM
@Ahmad less population its not that small by area
 
makes sense I didn't survive a car ride as a kid
had to stop every 2h lmao
yee cf
 
must be cold there
my friend posted a video of driving in sweden cold af
 
but worth it cause of that northern light
 
@Ahmad cyber ahmad confirmed
 
xD
 
11:53 AM
@ColdFire xD
 
@TimCastelijns that is what I thought but I wasn't 100% sure
 
I really hope I can see northern lights but I doubt it
 
a callback seemed like overkill
 
last time, back in 2000, I was in Sweden for 2 weeks -> not seen a slightest shimmer
 
@TimCastelijns different part, it's on the category section of component_overview.xml
 
11:53 AM
but the first time in my life I saw what the milky way looks like in the sky for real
no chance to see more than 10-20 stars from Berlin area
too much light polution
 
I had an uncle in Sweden that hunted for mooses, he had a safe piled with rifles. My aunt's name is pronounced 'Gun'
Ironic duo
Uncle Joop and aunt Gun
 
think again about what I said about moving all that executor logic to the repo
 
I am doing that now
 
@WarrenFaith must be awesome feeling
 
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Jooooopie
 
12:04 PM
@WarrenFaith so what do you suggest? before July?
@raghav I think I'm gonna purchase the instagram system course, it's very nice, just went through the url shortener one, it's interesting
 
gonna send the report to the school within an hour
not to keen in the 'reflection' part
 
12:22 PM
it's finalized?
 
@TimCastelijns why won't I immediatly set in into the adapter in that line of code?
@TimCastelijns the report was already finished, just missed the "pre-word" and "summary"
 
41 mins ago, by Tim Castelijns
storageListAdapterObsv -> you should not have Observable<Adapter> instead you should have a Observable<List<UIStorage>> and let the guy who subscribes to this observable decide what to do with that list. That guy can say ok adapter here is some new data, and here is a callback to invoke when X happes
 
"let the guy who subscribes to this observable decide" but that 'guy' is onCreate()
 
that's fine
your (android) viewmodel should not know of the list adapter
 
alright
@TimCastelijns that clears your intention for me, thanks
@TimCastelijns it now is part of regular viewmodel since I figured I never should need context but android viewmodel had it
 
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@MehdiB. I only have time until 21st of June, so basically next week only
 
good for me, @murat @ahmad @eric, when does it work for you next week?
 
Eric is off on Monday iirc
for me We/Fr are the only real options
 
12:53 PM
I'm going to try and get to Droidcon Berlin next year
Hope to see you guys there if not we can arrange to meet up afterwards somewhere
 
@WarrenFaith I'm not going to be free on friday, so that leaves us with wednesday, otherwise if the others are not free on wednesday we'll have to postpone after you're back
 

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