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21:20
@Nyakouai
do you speak this language?
21:32
I coded something and it works first try and I'm concerned
this has been happening too frequently
yeah thats scary
I built a module that not only worked on my end first try, but passed the UAT flawlessly and I'm still on edge because I expect it to fail in PROD every single day (or at least, when I remember it even exists)
@IvanMilisavljevic How's the new job going by the way?
actually really awesome
im working for the smallpdf
the team is awesome, office is awesome
everything is really really good
and also, this is the first job where seniority matters
so im officially a senior now
i have a bunch of talks qued up
is faceless pdf a competition of yours?
Oh nice man, that all sounds really awesome for you!
not 100% sure
21:41
What was your interview process like if you don't mind me asking
Just high level
(phone interview -> in person -> coding, etc)
nah well i was recommended for the job by an old colleague of mine
i had 5 rounds of interveiws
2 technical, assignement and in person with the cto
@DaveS It's really good!
basically it was super easy for me
Ah nice man
i spent like a month doing those same test assignements
21:43
Whiteboard interview or no?
@IsraelObanijesu give me 5min and I grant you access
Ah, so yes
so basically i had a lot of stuff prepared
I have this deep rooted hatred towards that style of interviewing and it is a massive setback for me
no there was 1hr talk with mobile devs from the outsourcing company
and an 1h talk with the cto
on more general stuff
21:44
ahh
so was the only coding you did on that assignment part?
oh that's really nice
i will share with you guys
the assignment im preparing for next interviews
In the technical interview did they ask you questions like "what is polymorphism" or was it more you explaining your background and previous projects and the such?
its going public in couple of days i think
that was really technical interview
the cto talk was all about oop, languages, arch stuff
21:45
I guess what I'm asking is, was it some bullshit interview "remember what you did back in university and haven't touched in 5 years" or was it actually decent
certain approaches, this one was actually really awesome
it was fun
actually those interviews i had at sixt
That's good man!
were the best
basically they game an assignement
I hate that shit
studying for interviews is so counterintuitive for me
the second part 1:1 interview was like
they give me a screen from their app
and like told me to explain in as much details as i can
21:46
@IsraelObanijesu welcome! please start by reading the rules and confirm reading them before anything else room-15.github.io
@IvanMilisavljevic like what kind of UI model and the such?
from like Documentation, requirements, backend, design perspective
oh that's neat
i hate those algos and ds interviews
Yeah me too :\
I've left interviews early because of it
21:47
like i can explain 15 different kinds of trees
but man i never ever used them in like 15 years
I've done the "I can tell from this interview process I will not want to work here" and left
and if i need them like eveer i can just look it up
i had that with bosch
Sounds like we're on the same page then
interview was fine, but the vibe in the company was fucked up
and now I'm jealous
recommend me from Canada I'll work remotely :D
21:49
actually we are looking for bunch of devs
@ballBreaker Pouet pouet?
i need 2 androids and 1 ios for my team
but the our company is actually looking for a lot of devs
and 1 designer
oh nice! That's really cool, sounds like you got in at a good time
hiring a team under you and the such
@IvanMilisavljevic I had read an article about those, which said that it basically started with companies like google actually really needing those skills for their constrained systems that required such algos and datastructures but ended up being copied by everyone else, even though the job is to create html pages
@Nyakouai squeek squeek
@MehdiB. Yeah and then the idiot who made those interviews made the book "how to crack the coding interview" and now every company does them
21:51
yeah
and that sucks ass man
if im hiring an android dev
I've seen some pushback lately on that though, which is really nice
there is soooo much stuff i can ask him about android SDK
@ballBreaker Yeah, I guess my penguin accent is different from yours then
Good evening folks
What is your recommended means of learning android if you're already a capable programmer, and know most languages ?
Would it be just take up an app idea and make it
yes, definitely
21:52
Trial by fire, kinda thing?
Makes sense
there is no like straight forward way of learning it
Might have to get into that sometime
then realise you wanna make http calls, how do people do it? this library, this pattern
and so on
21:53
like rading a book or something
you have to try out bunch of stuff and deal with a lot of shit
I made a single app like 4-5 years ago that was extremely simple..
I feel like half my battle will be with AS
there is a huge thing in android development that actually a lot of android devs forget about
I totally ripped off from one of the google templates for mine
@IsraelObanijesu please don't forget to acknowledge having read the rules before leaving :)
basically the best you can do is to try out some other stuff
like backend developemnt, or ios and stuff
and get that general development knowledge
21:54
^yeah definitely
The more full stack you are, or well-rounded the better you will be at the thing you actually enjoy
I have read and understood the rules
there is so much really pooor implementations of different stuff, because google said it was ok
Like a basketball player learning a 2-step in the off season
@IsraelObanijesu thank you and welcome! :D
21:55
right
im doing some Vert.x for my side projects
and using junit 5 is like a dream come true
and ability to use newer java versions
@IvanMilisavljevic i wanna too, been googling vertx vs akka for 2 months now and never started
and not being restricted by bunch of garbage apis
oh man
My dream has been to work past Java 6 for the past 5 years
21:56
Vert.x with kotlin is like a candy
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i havent tried past 8 so far
I tried default methods in interfaces :D
I've gotten myself into a bit of a negative feedback loop.. where my first job dealt heavily with Java5 and Java6 (ended up upgrading to 7 by the end right before I quit)
and that same Java5 and Java6 experience REAALLY gave me an edge to get this job.... doing more java5 and java6
Vert.x with zookeper gRPC with multiple adapters for mass storage
21:57
lmao v_V
there is also this neat thing
if you have an abstract class
im an android noob here, i find the documentation, sometimes difficult to apply :((
you can override those fields in the constructor
ah am talking about kotlin :D
i started playing around with kotlin native
21:59
I have this major aversion to doing things I genuinely enjoy if I was forced to do them by an authority figure
So like even though I was obsessed with Physics, school basically killed that love for me
there is a name for that
Work has mostly done the same for coding
@IvanMilisavljevic Contrarianism?
have no idea ;D
maybe
or should i say
My point there was that it's a major major reason I never do any of my own coding projects
22:00
can't find the motivation and drive that should be there
I don't code outside the workplace
@IsraelObanijesu follow tutorials to get the result you want, then read the documentation and it will make sense with time and as you get more familiar with the platform :D
y'all can fuck right off with that shit, there's video games to play
and Dave's point as well, now that I get paid to do it it's hard to justify not getting paid for it
i had that thing last year and at the beginning of this one
22:01
Dr. Stone wouldn't like that attitude Dave
basically i was burnt out
took a nice vacation, made myself a baby and now its all good :D
Dr. Stone would appreciate not doing something that's relatively pointless
in pursuit of a happier lifestyle
can't argue with that
wait wait wait
I knew you found the love of your life, but I didn't know the baby bit
=0
ah yeah i announced it couple of months ago
its on the way :)
22:03
I musta missed that, or was in lala land
Me and Ivan are baby buds
due is February 7
@IvanMilisavljevic one of the reasons why I didn't work at night this year, and went back to full time employment :)
yeah
i told you guys about this
basically im runnig my own development company besides full time job
yeah I'm facing a major burn out right now
22:04
and we had to scale up, and that was real hell for me
yeah and I remember Ivan, because I care, unlike some of us here...
I haven't had a week off in over a year and it's pretty highkey killing me
haha true; D
HEY
I CARE
yeah i havent worked for a month, and now im fresh
22:05
ivan would disagree, bb
i really enjoy going to work
Ivan knows I loves him
and I hope you do too
nah i know bb cares
hes got my back :D
anyway if anybody wants to work with me
basically there is shit ton of openings in the company
I know bb, that's why you're still in the room 😂
im not sure if they want to hire people outside of office, but i cant see a reason why not
22:07
would be awesome to meet up someday
Let me learn android and get back to you on that haha
il be visiting a lot of conferences next year
you dont have to learn android
That's exciting
this is just on a website
there is shitton of positions i have in the mail
22:08
Oh nice!
If a remotely operating database architect ever comes up let me know :D
@ballBreaker if you're serious about it bb, you'll see progress in no time since you already know programming, there are some complete learning use cases that cover most of the stuff any app needs, such as "implement an instagram like app / backend system" and stuff like that
haha i will :D
@MehdiB. Next time I have a lull in my work I'll grab Android Studio and start playing around
dont bother with android
I also plan to get Unreal Engine and do that as well
22:09
nice!
But I'm pretty hellbent on doing it on the company's time and not my own
I spent 3 months with literally zero work to do coding wise and it burned me out majorly
I'm pretty adverse to doing nothing, but was also ... hesitant to teach myself stuff
yeah you just need some time off
mostly due to the outlined reasons above, but I'm trying to get into my own head and change some mindframes
or like a change in the environment
the cool thing about android is that it's encouraging to learn since you see direct results
22:11
@IvanMilisavljevic yeah I think I need a solid 10 day vacation on a beach somewhere to unwind and get my mindspace in a good place again
and don't need a ton of hardware or infra innvestments
@MehdiB. where?
yeah thats true
@TimCastelijns I don't remember the exact website only the title, but it was a tutorial serie Android + Ruby
Yeah I think those are both good suggestions, I think I need to both get a vacation (Which should come up christmas time)
and also do some fun interesting coding stuff to reignite my passion for programming
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LOL
just got that in a corporate email
22:15
lols :D
If I wasn't glad I didn't have twitter before 😛 although this kidn of thing could happen anywhere
you need to reignite that coding spark
Coding sux bro
try crack
Yeah I do
I need to reignite my passion for life in general, been in a big slump lately
My target was to complete 1y of "no work outside work" to recharge my batteries, still 1 month to go, after which I have no excuses
22:16
On that incredibly not-depressing note, I'm going to take off for the evening 😀 Enjoy your nights' fellas!
@ballBreaker lol
Cya bb
@IvanMilisavljevic That's one of my major goals, learning spark internals and hopefully contribute to its code base
that thing is an engineering gem
i was talking more about those regular sparks, not apache spark :D
also true
i never had a change to work with spark but i;ve heard a lot of awesome things
oh XD
im more into a redshsift
22:19
xD'
i'm tired of using people's work, engineering wise, that's why I wanna learn the internals of any system I use
yeah I work with spark, but imo, the real value is the development of spark not the dev using spark
@MehdiB. o yikes ruby nvm
Hahaha that's exactly why I didn't bother with it XD
tims tried to use operator fun in kotlin?
a year or so ago
22:26
noice
just checking :D
this is the core of my framework if anyone is interested
@IvanMilisavljevic maybe name the files so github makes it pretty :)
right :D
i pulled that one from the project :d
@IvanMilisavljevic why do you catch a Throwable instead of an Exception?
errorMapper
22:32
thats because RxJava onError is passing Throwable not an Exception
that's odd, because you don't really want to recover from a Throwable
Idea: An extension that themes SE chat like discord
well thats by the reactive spec
i mean RxJava is passing a Throwable even tho everything is RuntimeException in rx
and basically im transforming every Throwable into a custom Failure
I think you could do the ugly way of checking if the throwable is an instance of Exception and only then handle it
because if i want to change the implementation of the usptream, presenters will stay untouched
I dont think that would work with Rx
Also there is a bunch of cases
like OkHttpClient is throwing UnreachableHostException if there is no internet
and thats all handled by rx
also when it comes to rx there is 2 things when it comes to error hanlding
either you will get and do something with an error
or it will be silently discarded (aka passed to the default error handler)
22:38
so what happens if you don't catch an OOM error?
thats a little bit specific
OOM is going to be sent just as notification basically, system will kill your process no matter what
those specifics are exactly the ones outside of the scope of Exception
you should let your app die if you don't wanna create unexpected behaviors
thats not desired behaviour
i agree its the correct one but its usually better like to show a snackbar with some generic message
than crash your app
only if your app makes it that far though
right
also as i said
there is no other aproach
thats how its done by rx
right
Both Java.lang.Error and Exception are sub classes of a Throwable
i guess they had to pass a Throwable in order to cover both of the cases
yeah maybe, then the debate about checked or unchecked exceptions (like RuntimeException)
also check these things
programming is fun :D
this is what i was talking about
you can pass abstract properties as constructor parameters
which comes suuuper handy in DI
22:50
nice :D
also check out those operator functions
@MehdiB. no checked exceptions in kotlin 😝
that's interesting! how do you know when to catch then?
there is @Throws annotation
@IvanMilisavljevic so you pass function for the callback?
22:56
nah thats not it
@IvanMilisavljevic which means?
and the call site
normally you would have to call it like
object.fucntion()
with operator fun invoke
you can call it like
object()
ah :D I need to get on the kotlin train or I won't be able to understand you soon :D
now what about @Throws? if you use an external library how would you know what to catch?
you can mark the function with @Throws
thats in the stlib
and you basically have to handle it on the callsite
but those are not build time checks (like with checked exceptions)
@TimCastelijns one of the things i hate about kotlin
23:02
@IvanMilisavljevic but how do you know what to handle?
its going to be shown in ide
:D
hahaha
i mean you cant
there is no real way
but since they're not checked you can compile and still ignore it
actually
im reading the docs now
you wont be able to compile
23:04
@IvanMilisavljevic so it's like a trick, shown by the IDE for you to catch it, so what's the point of making them unchecked then?
@IvanMilisavljevic but then they're checked
yeah
well there was a controversy with unchecked exceptions in java
11 mins ago, by Tim Castelijns
@MehdiB. no checked exceptions in kotlin 😝
@MehdiB. well its a annotation to allow checked exception like feature in kotlin
i cant say with exact certainty why checked exceptions are not default in kotlin
also throws is also for compatibility with java
we should not forget kotlin support interop with java
23:09
That's a good point
yeah thats right
also the reason why kotlin doesn't support multi var args because java doesn't allow it
kotlin will always be limited by java until it drop interop with java
But that still doesn't solve the "all kotlin code base and APIs" how would they catch the unknown/unchecked exception
dropping interop is not worth the minute feature gain tho
they wont
since kotlin has no concept of checked exception
But your app will crash at the first network issue
23:11
if your code is 100% kotlin it will compile just fine
How would you show a pop-up "hey enable your WiFi"
yes it will and that is why i hate that kotlin doesn't support checked exception
you remember to handle the exception yourself instead of IDE doing it for you
Or... Do any of the methods throwing exceptions supposed to return some status variable? But that wouldn't make sense
not that i know of
that's very interesting, it intrigued me, I will read about it
23:15
there are many annotation added by kotlin like @jvmoverload , jvmstatic for interop with java
yeah I think I need to learn it :D
well gn o/
good night!

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