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12:00 AM
"these days"???
that was the case 3 years ago m8
 
I mean, I understand it on very large projects
 
Groupon used to take 7+ minutes to do a clean build
But this is a relatively small app
Something like this back in Eclipse would have taken 20 seconds
 
12:11 AM
Thats a nice cat tristan
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1:02 AM
@TristanWiley thanks for the ping. I'm streaming just about every day this week. Because I'm on vacation, I can stream during the days and work more on my baseball card app.
@RaghavSood about the only good thing about the eclipse days
 
@Code-Apprentice are you blocking viewers from a samsung IP Address?
 
No, twitch rejects them for trying to steam to his stream
Samsung stole his ip address
 
lol
 
*stream
 
> I can't get on the internet, says some guy from bixby already has the same MAC and IP
 
1:12 AM
@DaveS nah, they gotta steal code from somewhere. And when they do, my lawyers will be ready
 
lol
 
That's my whole plan. Retire on Samsung's dime, not subscriptions
@William you mean that you are stalking room 15 users by finding their emails?
 
one of mine is in there so yes stalking myself also
May 23 '14 at 23:55, by Raghav Sood
To receive help, you must first upgrade to Room 15 Pro for $99 a year. Payments may be made via PayPal to my firstname.lastname at the rate gmail.com. Thank you
this is the best
 
I can't wait until you get one more upvote William
then I can say your SO Power Level is over 9000!
 
1:20 AM
yeah me too
 
I was actually contemplating un downvoting something
 
won't think they will let you unless it's been edited
 
hence the trickiness of it
to me though the 10k mark will be more eventful
considering I should get access to deleted questions
which is well worth it to me at least
 
yeah that's a nice perk
 
1:28 AM
with great power comes great deleted questions
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I mostly gained rep to be able to ask questions and put bounties if I needed or join chat rooms like this, haven't had a need for it though so have become pretty inactive
 
yeah unless you have an obscure question I rarely need bounty's today
people seem to answer them anyways
 
If I start tinkering with new technology I might become active again
but trying to answer Android or iOS questions in today's SO is painful
 
why painful
I mean it always has in many ways
 
well back when I knew less, it was less obvious what was a duplicate or why
so I could just answer, collect my 25-35 rep and be on my way
now it's like, I know that has an answer and it's here, next
or it's poor quality
 
1:32 AM
some duplicates are good though
some people search it differently
 
yeah but it should be marked not answered
 
some of my questions have been marked as duplicate for newer questions
 
lol
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Q: do making an app that downloads videos from youtube is prohibited?

Audio medicI want to make an app that download videos from "youtube", but is it prohibited? I noticed that google play have no apps that can download videos from "youtube"

^ why it's painful in a nutshell
 
that should probably be law.se
 
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Q: How do i fix null pointer exception

booleantrueI'm new developer. Trying to build simple app using custom list view. And its open pretty well but when I click its not working anymore. After I add exception, I can see that Null Pointer Exception. Confused how do i fix it. Code are below: Please help me out. public class MainActivity extends A...

 
1:35 AM
part of the cringiness of android comes from android itself
there depreciation of apis and entire interface building isn't what I like quiet yet
 
yeah
Have you tried ConstraintLayout?
Motion Layout extends it even further to make animations look real easy, haven't tried it out yet
But I've used Constraint Sets programmatically to do something similar
 
ConstraintLayout looks interesting
 
It's nice, should give it a try next time you do UI
I don't use any other type of layout anymore
 
wrote it down in my android notes next time I look at it
 
1:51 AM
@DaveS Pretty much what I did. I answer crypto related stuff, or close as offtopic for Bitcoin.SE or Ethereum.SE if it doesn't fit here
The large tags are a lost cause
 
2:04 AM
@DaveS I've spent 850 on bounties. The most recent was 200 for a pressing question for a project at work that I had no idea how to solve.
dupe stackoverflow.com/questions/52600849/… (personally I think the "My App has crashed" question is a more appropriate dupe target for Android NPE questions).
as opposed to the general Java NPE canonical
oh wait...I got to that question from Dave's link...
 
 
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4:19 AM
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!reject
 
@abjalmor you currently do not meet the requirements to chat here. You can find our requirements in the rules.
 
4:35 AM
gooooooooooooooooooooD Morrrrrrrrrrrnninggggggggggggggggggggggg
 
5:21 AM
Greetings everyone.
 
6:00 AM
hi
 
tim
i need help
how to pass data to service (Android/Java);
 
google it
 
tried
when i use intent.putExtra(); service not shows in process i mean in logs
 
google that
 
6:30 AM
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!!! :D
 
tim_irl
 
and that's why i don't ask questions :D
 
My usual approach is to find some hacky way to do it, and realize six years later that there was a better way when I accidentally stumble onto relevant documentation/blog posts
 
7:27 AM
\o
 
@RaghavSood yes a very good point about eclipse
o/
 
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!accept
 
@ZeekHuge welcome. Please start by reading the rules and confirm you have read them before saying anything else.
 
7:33 AM
o/
 
Hi ! I am adding unit-testing to my app. And, I using a kind of poor-man's-dependency injection by creating a static private HashMap called dependencyHolder. But I am confused how to use it with classes that have some static Factory methods ? Will It make sense if I create a class AContract with non-static methods to replace static-factory methods in A class ? And then use instance of this AContract in the dependencyHolder ?
 
@TimCastelijns you casted him, you expel him :)
 
I have read and understood the rules.
 
 
Actually I have been to this chat earlier, and had read the rules that time too, and I don't know why again I had to request-access.
 
7:39 AM
For Tristians app , I see We're sorry, the requested URL was not found on this server.
 
because we remove people who were away for quite a while
 
Also, I have been requesting access since yesterday, but looks like no one in here was receiving the requests.
 
Was it nuked?
 
yeah, same for me, Reno
 
there were no access requests by you yesterday
 
7:50 AM
same for me too
 
lol
@Reno that was a joke that is why the stars
 
8:13 AM
Bah, forgot to make dinner, now I have to wait until dinner gets made
There needs to be an automated food making system
Just prep stuff and leave it in the fridge, and it shuffles it around to various heat sources on a timer as needed
 
8:24 AM
indeed
 
o/
 
@RaghavSood Try Jake
 
@RaghavSood called thermomix
 
@RaghavSood jakefood.com
I think this comes from the techs in Silicon Valley who have no time for 'life'
 
8:26 AM
I used to have a ton of soylent
Too hard to get it into NZ though
And expensive
 
They even go as far to take drugs, eat pills (for nutricion) and work all day everyday
 
Back when I was in the US I'd go weeks on just soylent and coffee
 
But how did you feel?
 
Had 48 bottles delivered every month
 
Doesn't soylent have a lot of estrogen?
 
8:27 AM
Not a clue
I'm still alive, and mostly sane, so seems to have worked out fine
 
Are you growing boobs?
 
Nope
 
Then you should be fine
 
I mean.. I haven't had any in two years, so I'm likely already past immediate ill effects
 
morning nerds
 
8:41 AM
what a borring day.........................................
 
@RaghavSood what is a soylent?
oh its a meal replacement
 
Remind me to find a better kebab supplier
These are quite tasteless
 
but why meal replacement?
no other better food?
 
Laziness, resources, cost
 
ah
for a sec i thought you are vegetarian and hence the issue
 
9:01 AM
any answers to that ?
the above question ..
Sorry, I am pretty boring :P
 
@ColdFire HE SAID THE 'V' WORD
 
v?
 
v...v...
..vegetarian
 
and?
 
shivers
nothing, I just like to trigger people
 
9:10 AM
ah k
 
Someday I will get punched very hard
But would have a good laugh at it
 
didnt look like you were good at it
i am vegetarian and i was not triggered at all
 
Then you are not american
 
obviously i am not
 
Ah and you are not, I remember you are Indian right?
 
9:11 AM
yes
pretty sure i wouldn't be veg if i was a american
@MwBakker i guess you would need to do better to get punch worthy :p
 
Nah
Online I only get death threads
 
lol for real?
 
I got punched for an opening line I used on a girl though
Yep
Im a complete asshole on facebook
People take that stuff too serious
..and that's where I come in
 
dark side of online world
 
It's fun
Untill I open my mailbox
 
9:18 AM
probably i agree there, people need to lighten up , but considering indians get triggered fast i think charity begins at home :D
 
@MwBakker lol it must have sucked
 
@MwBakker I guess lessons learned
 
You must have said something that you usually post online where you have your keyboard to hide behind and defend you
 
probably said something about a benz
 
9:20 AM
Moral of the story - Don't forget your keyboard when you're out in social places @MwBakker, sounds like you need it :D
 
@MuratKaragรถz but does that trigger dutch people?
 
For the girl atleast
 
hmmm
 
"Good news everyone!" - the link is dead -.-
 
which?
 
9:26 AM
I miss out on everything
 
oh it was a joke lol
 
oh
@TristanWiley put all the remaining tasks on hacktoberfest
 
@Mauker fix your shit dude^
 
Just a kind question, is the frequency of getting answers really low here ? Not being rude with the question. Just asking, since I am new here. Or maybe my question is boring/irrelevant or something ?
 
@ZeekHuge i have no idea perhaps some testing peeps will help
 
9:49 AM
@ZeekHuge Mostly people only answer if they're around/available/have experience with the problem. Most people often leave chat open in a tab if they're regulars, not necessarily following the conversation. Some only show up once in a while. Many of us, such as me, no longer do Android even
 
Besides that
the question is unclear
 
yeah not sure what you were asking
also most people request access just to bombard us with questions. We don't always pay attention
 
@MarkO'Sullivan this hackathon looks great!
> Pull requests can be made in any GitHub-hosted repositories/projects. As long as the project is public and GitHub-hosted, your PRs will count towards your participation
You could participate Tim with the bot!
 
10:08 AM
Got it !
 
Guess who has two thumbs and is dying 'cause has to migrate an ancient thing to another not so ancient thing ;D
 
I KNOW IT!
pick me
me
\o/
jumps a little
\o/
 
I know
It's Philippine tarsier
 
@W0MP3R you?
@CptEric why you want to be picked tho? :o
 
to answer
 
10:21 AM
yep, that's me~~
 
260
Q: Happy 10th anniversary Stack Overflow! Commence ... au festival!

Tim PostStack Overflow turns 10 years old today. In the world of Internet startups, that's a pretty big deal — most assumed we would have flopped or gotten ourselves acquired by now. Many of us have had pets that didn't last this long, and in dog years, we're really pushing it. See the linked blog post f...

not even giving free shirts
 
wow, I got bronze "firebase" tag ^_^
 
10:37 AM
@MehdiB. I didn't even look it up. Guess it gives me another reason to get back to maintaining my flutter icon package
Should do some tonight :D Providing I've finally got Flutter setup on this laptop
 
@W0MP3R bob kelso?
 
xD
 
@MuratKaragรถz :(
 
@Raghav what do you guys use for stream processing? kafka streams or spark streaming? I'm a bit confused on why would the latter even exist on a kafka environment
 
Use memcpy and buffers for stream processing, like a real man :D
 
10:48 AM
Kafka is just a message broker
You would usually have spark reading from Kafka (potentially one of many inputs), and then performing actions on it
 
That's the thing, Kafka ships with a library called Kafka streams to process these messages coming from the broker
 
There is overlap between features
Spark is a much larger stream processing system
I imagine it handles a lot more than Kafka in that space
We don't actually use any of them now
But I've used Kafka a lot in the past
 
makes sense
What do you use now?
 
At the moment, nothing
 
10:53 AM
Don't have that kind of scale anymore e
 
Gotcha, i imagined you guys would be exactly at that kind of scale :D
 
I've worked hard to minimize the data that hits the primary app :D
And my side will likely hit that scale in a few months though
We use sidekiq for basic streaming and queuing
But it's a bit overkill
 
Thanks!
Currently the data pipeline stack i understood is "batch processing: airflow - spark" / "stream : Kafka - Kafka connect - spark streaming / Kafka streams"
There is a lot of overlaps in these technologies, it's a bit confusing (apache nifi - Flume - Kafka) ๐Ÿ˜‚
 
mehdi did you read that vue.js will use typescript next
 
talks about backend, talks about frontend...
Android room, yeah
 
11:04 AM
I actually use it currently with TypeScript Murat
Oh you mean the vue.js core?
 
yeah the core
 
it's good news, making ts a first class citizen :D
 
@MuratKaragรถz No it was a complete different thing haha
 
11:21 AM
@MehdiB. What are you trying to build, if you are at liberty to say?
In my experience, unless you know you need the features of Spark from day 1, it is easier to build on Kafka and have Spark read from it down the road if necessary
 
right now, nothing, I'm just learning, trying to have both processing modes in 1 chain
 
@MarkO'Sullivan UK requires a different visa then EU right?
 
on my previous project where I was doing heavy processing on documents then s3, I realized there should be a better way to build a pipeline
especially on handling failures
 
stream processing is like java streams?
 
more like processing in real time whatever information you received from a queue
 
11:25 AM
@MehdiB. AWS has pretty good streams itself
But I find Kafka to be ideal for pure streams
I rarely use spark
Mostly only if something else I'm using demands it
 
ah
 
Kafka is great for plugging in arbitrary things
Plus, I don't have enough cash to run both on side projects :D
 
XD
 
I have a small kafka cluster somewhere that suffices for my needs
 
and batch processing? do you only use cron and custom applications?
 
11:27 AM
Most side projects so far don't have a high enough volume to need real batch processing
The one that does is too expensive for me to run at that scale, so I'm betting on my mental picture of it guiding my software into a good design
Unless someone here wants to loan me 5 figures/month in AWS credits
 
hahaha
 
The basics ones "batch" process stuff by just spawning go routines when needed
The volume is low enough that a single 8 core machine can handle it fine with basic concurrency reading from a kafka channel
And then pushing results onto a new channel
It's nothing like you would be using in ML style projects
 
I realized ML is the last 5% of the ML projects :D
and data engineering the previous 95%
if you don't already know about it, for batch processing, there is airflow.apache.org that handles the scheduling plus the whole flow (chaining - retries etc..) that you can visualize in a graph, makes it easy to follow and find failures when your flow gets long
and is not limited to python, you can run a spark job or a java code etc..
 
Ahh
Never used that
I keep things simple
If there is an error, I just push the original data back into the stream
I rarely have errors that are hard failures
So usually just reprocessing soon can solve stuff like timeouts/resource starvation
For chaining, it just pushes to serial channels
 
nice tip! so you repush it into the stream and reconsume it back
 
11:35 AM
A very simple workflow is: I use some device, event is pushed to channel A, a worker picks it up, notes down the time and device and action, pushes event to Channel B, another worker picks it up, processes the event itself, then logs success and dies
None of my workflows are large/complex enough to really benefit from a full blown chain/retry/backoff mechanism
Since the work I'm doing is usually quite simple
This example is basically how my "dead man's switch" is set up
If I'm fully offline for 7 days, a bunch of emails are sent out to people containing information/keys/passwords/etc.
It's setup to read my activity on my phones/laptops/servers
 
XD that's dark bro
 
Jan 10 '17 at 18:32, by Raghav Sood
It's not paranoia if they're out to get you :D
 
Sep 28 at 12:03, by Tim Castelijns
yes it is
 
๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
 
11:38 AM
It's mostly just a failsafe against my security safeguards preventing my parents/family from getting into bank accounts etc. if I get hit by a bus or something
 
don't they automatically inherit it
 
They can't really keep up with 2fa and secret management and 100 char random passwords and all
Considering the number of countries there are accounts in, plus crypto, I imagine it would be non-trivial to do it the hard way
In any case, can't inherit crypto, gotta have the keys
 
o/
 
Now, naturally, an online system does not have the keys to send it to them
But it does tell them where to find it
 
what happens if your energy company cuts the power?
 
11:40 AM
For 7 days?
 
@RaghavSood lmao
why would you do that?
 
Ah I missed the 7 days :D
 
what if you get drunk one day and black out for 7 days
 
@ColdFire Well, for one, there are Certain Folks in India who might not agree with my views and decide to take action
 
ah i read it wrong
oh i totally understood
family disputes evil relatives
 
11:42 AM
@TimCastelijns Good chance I'm in a coma, might as well share the info
 
@ColdFire come next year probably
 
so this year no visa?
 
@ColdFire Read the characters more carefully :D
 
lol
 
@RaghavSood including your browser history? ( อก° อœส– อก°)
 
11:43 AM
well considering my family and me have helped so many people with money that is highly unlikely
 
I have no browser history, everything is incognito, cache+cookies are wiped daily
 
lol
 
7 mins ago, by Tim Castelijns
user image
 
a true skynet
 
11:44 AM
and then there's me, hoping my cache never expires because I can't remember passwords for half the sites I have an account on
 
That's what password managers and u2f tokens are for
 
I trust the google
 
Tim ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
 
11:45 AM
^
xD
 
Hence this is Android room
If we don't trust Google, then wtf are we doing?
 
resisting
 
@TimCastelijns thats why you use only one pwd
 
can confirm murat is going bankrupt soon
 
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11:50 AM
!reject
 
@Codename47 you currently do not meet the requirements to chat here. You can find our requirements in the rules.
 
@MwBakker ios development :D
 
@TimCastelijns what if the queue has 2 access request what does the bot do?
 
@RaghavSood I have been thinking to make something similar for me too.
 
latest
 
11:56 AM
uhm, I was not trying to ping, but was trying to reply to a specific message.
 
@ZeekHuge Some services already exist
LastPass has such a feature inbuilt
Facebook also lets you delegate next of kin iirc
 
And how can we believe them ?
I havent really dived down into what they are doing/trying to do, but I have been just telling myself, that they cant be trusted.
 
There's also ifidie.org/learn
If you want full control, do it yourself, as I did
It's not hard to build
A simple app that runs on start, and monitors screen unlocks on your phone
And a login script on the laptop that runs every time you login
It's enough to keep track
 
if you don't do X because you don't trust Y you might as well sell your pc and live in a tree
 
On the server side, just a simple webhook, and an encrypted cache of data
I operate my own mailservers too now, so it'll attempt to use those first to make contact
If that fails, it has a fallback down to Gmail + sendgrid
 
11:59 AM
@TimCastelijns why exactly a tree XD why not a mountain or forest? XD
 
If that also fails it'll send a text
 
@RaghavSood: Right ! Just that, I have been unable to afford the required mental-bandwidth ..
 
@TimCastelijns treehouse \o/
 
Mental load is at a premium, it's why I aim to automate most things
 
because trees can be found in backyards. Then once you go like "bwaa I miss my internet" you can just walk balk inside
 
11:59 AM
I've basically not touched this thing at all in years, apart from occasional updates to support new APIs for stuf flike sendgrid and other external links
 

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