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3:01 PM
Oh, I wanted to ask Indian people in here, What's with Padmaavat
 
oh that controversy
its pretty heated right now
 
googled it.
it's a movie?
why controviersy?
 
have to wonder it must be so heated that it went to UK canada
its a movie yes
 
@Graeme It's an example of why India needs a purge
 
FOE vs History Distortion
lol raghav
atleast the producer got a lesson
 
3:04 PM
uhm what
a what?
 
wait what is the english word for sabak
yeah lesson
 
but what's the problem with the movie?
 
the film is been accused of distorting history
 
so?¿
it's a movie.
scottish medievals never wore kilts. but yo got braveheart there.
and it's a damn nice movie. period.
 
4 mins ago, by Raghav Sood
@Graeme It's an example of why India needs a purge
 
3:08 PM
@CptEric well that movie claimed to be based on history
and then there is a limit to distortion you can do
 
> The film is an adaptation[1] of the epic poem Padmavat written by Sufi poet Malik Muhammad Jayasi in 1540.
an adaptation of a poem for fuck's sake
 
yup he changed it now
after the Supreme court interwined
 
?????
 
i am not in favour or oppose i am just stating what i know
 
what the hell does a supreme court have to do with a movie?
 
3:10 PM
the film was banned from many states so producer moved to SC
the movie name was changed , some cuts here and there and a disclaimer that movie is purely fictional
 
your country can't have nice things.
 
lol
 
not that mine can have many either, but atleast we don't go savage for a fucking movie.
 
well as i said its about pride of a community
 
> The film became controversial during production. There were allegations from groups such as the Shri Rajput Karni Sena, a Rajput caste organisation, claiming that the film depicts factual inaccuracies, portraying the Rajput queen Padmavati in a bad light, with activists vandalizing the sets of the film. However, a sting operation[91] conducted by an Indian news channel[92] showed that the activists had planted the controversies in order to extort money from the filmmakers.
 
3:12 PM
pretty intense issue out here
 
A purge of, er, Rajput?
 
raghav was kidding graeme
 
> The attacks were considered staged as they were based on the false pretext set up by Rajput groups that the film includes a dream sequence in which Padmavati and Alauddin Khilji are seen in intimate contact
 
Or a purge of movies that show things people don't like?
 
i think #1
 
3:13 PM
lol no
 
last time my country went all batshitcrazy about a movie it was because it had too mild/bland insults.
> "In the contemporary period, there is no mention of this event, no accounts of Padmavati by Amir Khusrau, a prolific writer of the era and a courtier of Alauddin Khilji. This is misuse of both fiction and history. There is no historical evidence of this Padmavati event - this story is a poet's imagination."
so it's not even a fucking historical event :/
 
the film makers taught the initial controversy will give them publicity so they let it grow and when it become uncontrollable they went with the statements they did
@CptEric we dont know if it is or not
 
you know they aren't.
 
wiki is not a trustable source
 
historians are
 
3:16 PM
well quote historians then not wiki
 
> Rani Padmavati is an imaginary character: Historian Irfan Habib
Prof Irfan Habib has said Rani Padmavati is not historical but an imaginary character and her existence has always been debatable.
Irfan Habib (born 1931) is an Indian historian of ancient and medieval India, following the approach of Marxist historiography. He is well known for his strong stance against Hindu and Islamic communalists. He has authored a number of books, including Agrarian System of Mughal India, 1556–1707. == Early and personal life == Irfan was born in an Indian Muslim family, the son of Mohammad Habib, a marxist historian and ideologue belonging to the Communist Party of India, by his wife Sohaila Habib (née Tyabji). Irfan's paternal grandfather was Mohammad Naseem, a wealthy barrister and member of the...
trustable enough?
 
lol that wiki link
 
o.o
Not trusting all of wikipedia is a little bit conspiracy theory
 
look i am not saying the protest is justied but if you are asking me to trust wiki aint gonna happen
 
i ask you to trust the biography of someone lol
 
3:18 PM
i said i dont know if padmavati is real or not
 
and his article on the Delhi news
 
'NL' went crazy over a movie once. The director/producer was murdered. No problems since
 
@CptEric This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful. (March 2015) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)
 
are you saying that he does not exist?
 
also > following the approach of Marxist historiography.
 
3:19 PM
do not be fooled by the name
 
facepalm
 
Marxist historiography is the current historiography trend
 
i am saying i dont know
 
What's wrong with Marxism? :)
 
also called historical materialism
nothing to do with marxism except that the concept of era division is taken frm him (marx)
 
3:20 PM
"android.telephony.PhoneNumberUtils.normalizeNumber" isn't usable on APIs < 21, the code is pure Java lol
 
CF - That's our problem. You say "I don't know" and then you are told facts, with sources, and you still say "I don't know"
 
facts lol
@CptEric oh oops then
 
every reputated historian right now follows historical materialism
 
i thought its related to communist
 
when you're teached about "iron age, bronze age, etc..." that's Marxist historiography
it steps out of the national focus and analizes the contents instead
bad side of it? it centers too much on the social matters and leaves the most fun parts of history for other trends
for example, it focuses very little on military historiography
my gf teaches me well :D
 
3:22 PM
oh no idea our history is too distorted by communist and leftist
 
> Historical materialism is the methodological approach of Marxist historiography that focuses on human societies and their development over time, claiming that they follow a number of observable tendencies.
it's basically stepping out of the "our historeeeh" point of view and looking more at "what made the people of Kensington, England overrule their count in 1321? oh, nice, 12 years before he started taxing off cows twice the amount the church did".
^made up fact, to exemplify
 
i have no idea what history we are taught or what methodology it follows
 
the least nationalistic it sounds, the more materialistic it is.
one of the pros of marxism-anything is that it's internationalist too.
> Historical materialism can be seen to rest on the following principles:

The basis of human society is how humans work on nature to produce the means of subsistence.
There is a division of labor into social classes (relations of production) based on property ownership where some people live from the labor of others.
The system of class division is dependent on the mode of production.
The mode of production is based on the level of the productive forces.
Society moves from stage to stage when the dominant class is displaced by a new emerging class, by overthrowing the "political shell" tha
^@ColdFire a TLDR of what that teacher "believes" about.
 
oh
 
@ColdFire HAHAHAH!!!
 
3:27 PM
oh btw our left parties have extended the support to those karni sena and other sena
i smell a lot of politics
considering the elections are coming soon
 
That's why I'm Politikverdrossen
 
even when you're anti leftist, which given some of your arguments is completely right (given india's apparent left)
you will agree with marx here: "As Marx puts it, "a coherence arises in human history"[10] because each generation inherits the productive forces developed previously and in turn further develops them before passing them on to the next generation. "
that's it :D
 
What I feel about politics
 
you are mistaken i am not at all in favour of violence
 
you goddamn anakin.
 
3:29 PM
tho there are some things like " in rajasthan history book padmavati is mentioned as a historical figure"
 
so is king arthur :D
 
lol
 
the first record of king arthur and the holy grail adventures is 1360-ish
just because some poet writes about stuff doesn't mean it exists
else we'd all have unicorns as pets.
 
yeah that is why i said whether she is real or not is pretty controversial and many contradictory article on internet
 
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3:31 PM
the goons that are vandalising havent even watched the movie
 
no thanks.
 
what changes for you if she existed or not?
 
this is as stupid as it get
 
^
 
@CptEric yeah i agree with it
given that left parties have extended support to this goons now this looks totally political
 
3:33 PM
i am deeply interested in what the hell is your left party about.
 
the left parties have already tried 5-6 big violence activites in last 3 years
 
because every other left party i know woudl support culture displays, and that includes movies. unless they praise dictators or shit like that in very pesky ways.
 
oh our left policy in one sentence " divide and rule"
the same old british policy^
it looks like we got independence but were still under the dynasty of a single family
 
Hello, Android!
 
now that they have lost the power they use violence to win
 
3:40 PM
sup CA
 
lol
 
On my way to work
 
my community has very little history so no movies no worries \o/
 
have fun on your productive time :D
we have a lot of it but just recently started doing movies about it
like, just 2 tv shows so far
they are pretty decent
 
religious issues are pretty hot here
for various reasons i guess
 
3:43 PM
see we got rid of religion issues when we got rid of religion as the center of our society
:D
basically because the church here started a "crusade" against it's citiziens
 
well i think the less i comment about religion the better
we have some religion who are favored more
altho that is altogether another debate
oh just saw apparantly a new channel did a expose and it turns out its for politics indeed
anyway revolting without even seeing movie doesnt make any sense
 
^
 
@CptEric wait isn't spain a pretty religious country?
i thought it was a christain country?
 
4:00 PM
o/
I gotta say, booking a one way plane ticket is a very surreal feeling.
 
saw your status
you never booked a one way ticket before?
 
I have
 
No I've lived in the same area my entire life so far.
 
@ColdFire it was. now it's a merely remnant religion, only small parts of the country are fervent followers, and less than 40% go to church.
oh adam
that's hard
you will be okay
you'll be far from home but nearby tristan home
 
well its not that religious here but some topic are better avoided here
 
4:03 PM
you ever feel bad, his mum will surely bake you cookies while he's in uni so you can send him a pic of the cookies and tell him "HA!"
 
lol
 
Robinhood Crypto... siiiiick: crypto.robinhood.com
4
 
only 3 / 10 marriages have been by church last year in spain
that tells you all you need
:D
SICK design
loving it
 
I'm salty because of Robinhood. Those guys never released an UK version of their other app :(
 
oh we have 0.3- 0.4% irrelgious people here
i guess that means we are pretty religious lol
 
4:06 PM
@ColdFire where you find that?
 
in the census
Religion in India is characterised by a diversity of religious beliefs and practices. The Secularism in India means treatment of all religions equally by the state. India is a Secular State by the 42nd amendment act of Constitution in 1976. The Indian subcontinent is the birthplace of four of the world's major religions; namely Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism. Throughout India's history, religion has been an important part of the country's culture. Religious diversity and religious tolerance are both established in the country by the law and custom; the Constitution of India has declared...
 
thought Wikipedia wasn't a trusted source
 
its quoting the government website
 
@MarkO'Sullivan does the app takes from the rich and gives free coins to the peasant users? :D
 
here then see this^
@Graeme i think i have said it before its non trustable when it comes to politics or sensitive matters but for general usage its fine
 
4:21 PM
difficult statement
Politics means "To do with people"
And that's a pretty large chunk of all human knowledge :D
 
@MehdiB. nope :D
 
meh i would disagree with it
also even that historian article has written over it
> This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful. (March 2015) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)
> In India, D. D. Kosambi is considered the founding father of Marxist historiography. The senior-most scholars of Marxist historiography are R. S. Sharma, Irfan Habib, D. N. Jha and K. N. Panikkar.[8]

One debate in Indian history that relates to a historical materialist schema is on the nature of feudalism in India. D. D. Kosambi in the 1960s outlined the idea of "feudalism from below" and "feudalism from above". R. S. Sharma largely agrees with Kosambi in his various books.[9][10][11][12] Most Indian Marxists argue that the economic origins of communalism are feudal remnants and the econ
this is from wiki itself^
B. R. Ambedkar is far more respected than whoever this Habib is
we can play this left vs right game all day without no results
 
I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "left vs right"
 
i mean articles with their view point , leftist will write from their own point of view , same for right
also that some prominent people who didn't agree with the left are not their in history books
i am not sure why i shouldn't call the book biased if they only show only one side of the coin^
i thought the left was pretty tolerant and champion of Freedom of speech
 
5:07 PM
o/
Fine, I didn't like you guys anyway
 
nods in brief acknowledgement at Dave
Hey Mark
 
o/ dave
Lol
@DaveS lol i did a retest on politicalcompass i came again very close to centre and little bit to the left side
 
5:29 PM
Retesting after finding out how you feel is going to skew your results towards what you think you should feel
 
well still i couldnt get towards the right :(
 
so now you know, in the western world, you're moderate-left
 
i again came up with centre left
lol i guess
 
well in the UK specifically
the "middle" is different in every political system
 
i think i am economically right and socially very close to centre
 
5:31 PM
You're economically centre in the US
economically right believe in no regulations, let people drill and fuck climate change
 
isnt that to the far right?
 
Only the most far left want a socialist economy. Most want free market with consumer protections
 
@MarkO'Sullivan O no. The commoners will come now
 
oh
 
Like, universal healthcare and no private run prisons, and maybe limit carbon production are considered significantly left ideas
 
5:38 PM
oh
i dont agree with UH , agree with no PRP and yes agree with LCP
 
and that pretty much puts you at moderate-left in the US political system
 
I AM BAAACK
 
oh
 
hey guys
 
dave!!
long time no see
 
5:44 PM
when downloading an image using okhttp. In the database would you save the url and rely on okhttp caching, or save the image as a blob
 
o/ Eric
 
@MarkO'Sullivan then the name is misleading :D
 
@MarcinDeszczynski base64 ftw
nah just joking
store the url mostly
but i do upload them as base64
 
:O
 
okay thanks
 
5:49 PM
why not use FormData?
 
because it sucks, mostly
and it makes life easy as fuck for our backend guys
and for me
 
FormData is good and made for this... How can a content-type makes it hard for a developer (backend or frontend)?
 
lol
 
everything is harder than a one liner to send or parse a string
 
you are trying to cache the image in OkHTTP and in a database?
 
5:56 PM
@WarrenFaith congdadulations
^ Warren and his lot
 
@trevor-e
im trying to expand my knowledge about cashing images in android from the web
 
posted on January 25, 2018 by Android Developers

Posted by Hoi Lam, Lead Developer Advocate, Android Wear Today we launched the latest version of the Android Wear SDK (2.2.0) with several watch face related enhancements. These include the addition of an unread notification indicator for all watch faces, which is planned to be part of the upcoming consumer release of Android Wear. With the Wear SDK 2.2.0, you can customize the notificati

 
 
lol im actually caching cat pictures in my app
u guys are doing gods work
 
6:16 PM
@RaghavSood are you going to invest?
 
> Ultracrepidarian: Somebody who gives opinions on subjects they know nothing about
 
where did you find that word?
 
I found it on a "fun fact" post on imgur then I double checked on the dictionary and it does indeed exist (direct link to image i.imgur.com/T7txfr4.png)
 
6:34 PM
caching web images is a lot more intricate than just saving the image
I would just create a disk store for OkHTTP if you want to save to disk and not purely in memory
for example, honoring the cache control headers, cache busters, etc
 
@Reno for a sec i thought that is carl beard of a side lmao
@DaveS lmao that coin
 
6:49 PM
o/
 
o/
dave are you buying that coin?
Mauker how are your stones?
 
A bit off topic in here, I know.... so I'm trying to install IntelliJ IDEA community edition on my Raspberry Pi 2, because remote downloading from a desktop computer isn't possible unless you have the ultimate edition.... that said, it opens and runs and I can create a new project just fine, however, it freezes when it tries to do anything that reads the files from the disk..... wondering if anybody here has experienced that and knows how to fix it?
 
apparently my coworker just made 10x off of an ICO
wonder when this madness will stop lol
 
I think we're the ones who need to jump on that train lol
 
7:10 PM
lol
i missed an important ICO by a whisker i am so sad :(
@MehdiB. mehdi lets develop a coin
 
R15Coin
 
yeah
 
7:25 PM
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo‌​oooooooooooooooooooood Night Everyone!!!!!!! :D
 
lol good night womper :D
 
o/
 
o/
 
7:42 PM
Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo‌​‌​oooooooooooooooooooood Night W0MP3R!!!!!!! :D
 
wow that copy paste
 
how's everyone??? :D
 
good wbu?
so busy nowadays you are it seems
 
yeaah
D:
 
so how is work?
 
7:47 PM
stresful
and hard
and i'm dying 'cause I barely know what i'm doing TT^TT
 
do you have a senior on the team?
 
and when it works i'm so happy T^T
yep
and i'm pestering with questions so much that i feel really bad D:
 
it's okay, don't worry, everybody expects that from a new user of a proprietary technology :D
 
^
its fine everybody is a noob at one point in life
what matter is where you take it from there
 
@TimCastelijns ^ Look at CF being kind and considerate
 
7:56 PM
written by a left and right winger^
both are famous quoran^
i am very kind and considerate its just that i don't show it
 
o/ back from lunch
 
I met a cool business owner a few months ago, who put in the contract of a senior "Mentor and coach the juniors" and makes it very clear for them on the interview, 2/5 days of the weeks will most likely be about upskilling and helping juniors of the team
3
 
o/ adam
 
@MehdiB. Wait, is that possible?
 
anybody interested in politics should read that book a mixture of left and right wing in a single book
now that is a rare combination
 
7:59 PM
Mauker - Seems like it :D
@ColdFire i'm just messing with you :D
 
i know i am just telling, i don't know when i will be expressing it next
considering expressing isn't my strong point
 
do you have a girlfriend?
gives you some time to work on that then :D
 
lol
 
I saw that
 
that is fine
 
8:04 PM
@MehdiB. we should warn him on Facebook that his so account is hacked
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA
 
Time to go!!
Nice chat people!! :D
 
Cya!
 
Gave me lots of energy for tomorrow
i'm going to need it
D:
 
good luck! :D
 
8:05 PM
good luck cya
 
drink coffee
 
womp cheerful as always even at night
@TimCastelijns lol
whatsup tim?
how is your rx thingy going?
 
Swell
Waiting for Mehdi to ask me questions I can answer, but it's not happening
 
oh
@MehdiB. what about you?
for me it seem like a unnecessary distraction
 
Tim - coming up soon enough
still looping on the "Day5: I forgot what I learnt on day 3, because day 4 was intense work" :D
 
8:11 PM
Hello again
 
o/
 
HelloCA
 
hello CA
you skipped my question :/
 
Which question?
 
no it was for mehdi
 
8:13 PM
oic
 
sorry CF, I'm progressing very slowly because of work
 
What is unnecessary?
 
oh
 
I think he means learning Rx is unnecessary
 
lol what
 
8:26 PM
why?
 
we program with punch cards at my office
 
wait what how?
ok i need a feedback when you use any music player in mobile which tab you want your player to land on a start( tracks/album/artist/genre/playlist) ?
 
last song played?
 
assume you are opening for first time
 
@Code-Apprentice Hasn't started yet lol
 
8:33 PM
yo tristan
 
then for me, I'd like to see the list of songs
 
yay tracks then
what about others?
sigh the EU and murican where did they go?
 
go*
 
why not went?
 
because you used "did" so you're already in the past, so you use an infinitive verb
 
8:35 PM
oh
i barely remember any grammar anymore lol
 
we can see that
 
i just construct statement based on what seems correct to me
welp atleast i get by with my english
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
thanks for the correction tho
 
cf do you rx?
 
not yet but soon
as soon as i get rid of my current project
 
8:53 PM
k den
 

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