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2:01 PM
That's what I meant
 
yes..
 
@gem wow, you are an artist
 
agreed
 
fge
@Gemtastic I have no idea how to do this layout; would be nice if the chat could be detached, but I don't see how
 
You place the IDE window on top of the browser
so you only see the chat
 
fge
2:03 PM
Better yet is that I have a second screen, which I don't :p
 
the IDE can not be in full window
 
Sorry @fge, couldn't hear a word you said. :(
 
fge
@Michael I didn't even see you join
 
I haven't used inteliJ but it has 3 buttons so I assume you can put it in window mode
 
@fge I think I just caught the tail end of it.
 
fge
2:04 PM
Well, I guess I can redo this session if there are more people willing to
 
Yay! lol
 
fge
I hope you learned a thing or two from it :p
 
Maybe I will do one on Presenter First. O_O
 
@fge Just my tip. Your sessions have introduction missing. You should take some time to explain what you are going to say, instead of directly jumping into the code. Some background theory on the topic helps :)
 
fge
Sorry ;)
I'll remember that
 
2:09 PM
@fge I'm gonna try out a recording program to see if you can use it
 
nice..
the audio wasn't clear.. maybe my internet connection .. 1MBPS only :'(
 
@Swordy fge said he has kinda low bandwidth so it's probably on his part it happens.
I have 100/100 and I barely heard anything :/
 
@fge der?
 
fge
"der"?
 
there -> der :P
I have a local git repo
 
2:15 PM
whenever he types "der" I keep misreading it as "dear"
A little bromance going on :P
 
I just added a remote upstream git repo
with the name "upstream"
 
:D
 
fge
@ItachiUchiha meh, you have a keyboard, use it :p
 
now I want to merge my master to upstream/master
 
Not sure if my wireless network adapter is broken, or the server-side dl isn't working squints eyes
 
fge
2:17 PM
@ItachiUchiha well, did you fetch?
 
Michael has added an event to this room's schedule.
 
@Michael yo
I wanted this for a long time
 
:D
 
@fge nope
 
fge
Well, you need to
Otherwise you can't perform the merge
 
2:18 PM
@Michael by you?/
 
Yep.
 
I see
then I just need to checkout upstream/master and merge master to it?
 
Guess you can't one-box chat room events.
 
fge
Not even the need to checkout
Just fetch
 
2:19 PM
@Michael You can always take a picture of it
 
@fge I fetched and I got a upstream/master branch
 
That's called ghetto one-boxing xD
 
Or, you know, mock it
 
fge
@ItachiUchiha not a local one
 
fge
2:20 PM
If you do git branch -va it won't show up in local branches, but as remotes/upstream/master
 
yes it does
 
fge
Well, back to code for me :p
 
Presenter First event scheduled by Michael
> Starts in 7 days, lasts 60 minutes. Sign up!
 
@Unihedro How'd you do that?
 
We need a bot that does that. :P
@Michael I wrote that message.
 
2:21 PM
Oh, lol
 
Kinda confirmed it; my laptop's wireless is broken :/
HP computers; never lasts longer than 2 years >_>
 
how about extended warranty??
that thing should last a bit longer then
 
@Unihedro Maybe an "=events" command. O_O
 
@Swordy there is no warranty
 
@Gemtastic aww :(
 
2:26 PM
And it could give you reminders, like once a day.
 
My laptop's been alive for six years.
 
it's a bit over 2 years and I bought it from a company that went into bankrupcy
 
It kind of boosted my hopes in Windows, really, considering I really only keep it around for when a teacher decided they want all their students to present with yet another horribly done powerpoint, and MS Office only runs on Windows AFAIK.
... Oh.
 
@uni so did the one I had before I bought the HP
 
That is so sad, I feel so sorry for you. :(
 
2:27 PM
@Unihedro u forgot Mac ..
 
@Swordy I will never own a Mac.
in Secrets on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Oct 1 '14 at 19:12, by Unihedron
I don't really have a Mac.
 
Only way I will ever own a mac is if someone gives it to me
 
@Unihedro Uhh ever hear of Libre Office? Or Google Docs?
They both have slide show applications that are similar to PowerPoint.
 
When life someone gives you lemons a Mac, make life them take their lemons Mac back!
 
I like my Mac. :(
 
2:30 PM
i also like @Michael's Mac :P
 
@Michael feel free to, it's just that there's no way I'm spending twice as much money on a machine I could build at half the price and with better stats
 
@Michael I don't use Google Docs. I prefer Etherpad.
And I've never heard of Libre Office, indeed.
 
@Swordy I don't know whether I should be creep-ed out or thankful. xD
 
was kidding.. btw I've got windows 8.1 and ubuntu on dual boot ..taste of both the worlds..
 
@Unihedro Also: piratepad.net
I think they use Etherpad.
@Swordy You going to upgrade to Windows 10?
 
2:33 PM
I have a Mac and a Notebook dual booted with windows 8.1 and ubuntu 10.04
 
yeah , its free :D
 
Yeah
 
@ItachiUchiha taste of 3 worlds!!
 
The newest iMacs are really sexy though.
They are sooo thin.
 
yeah they are
 
2:34 PM
soo thin that they lack a LAN port :P
 
Why would you need multiple boot systems when you have a Windows laptop and an Ubuntu microserver plugged right into the LAN?
 
@Swordy Meh, who needs LAN now-a-days.
 
a person without a wireless router??!!
 
And I think you might be thinking of the Mac Book Air.
I'm pretty sure iMacs have a network port.
 
I need LAN to my laptop now :/
Hopefully the port still works
 
2:36 PM
argument won.
 
lol
 
macbook pro doesn't have one
 
I'm fairly satisified with my Linux netbook. Not really interested in a Mac laptop.
 
@Swordy I have a wireless router, but I turn off the WLAN part when my phone is charging.
 
the bestthing about mac is the spotlight search , presence of SSD and a super optimized OS .. not to forget the high res screen..
 
2:37 PM
Macro scripts ftw
@Swordy I believe the display has nothing to do with the system.
 
fge
hopes the session will have been good enough
 
@Gemtastic Ethernet cabling?
 
@Unihedro yes
 
@fge grateful to you..
 
I just gotta be arsed to whip it out
 
2:38 PM
appreciate all that u put up for us
 
But it'll be annoying in school because I can't wi-fi idle while my teacher is fixing everyone's code
 
@Unihedro but it comes as a package , right?
 
@fge it was :) though I like the nio session more :P
 
ftw -- f*** the world ; @Unihedro ??
 
For the win.
 
2:43 PM
ohh.. i think too much!!
 
I am aware.
 
@Swordy "An enthusiastic emphasis to the end of a comment, message, or post. Sometimes genuine, but often sarcastic." (source: urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FTW)
 
thanks :)
 
No problem. xD
 
2:44 PM
dinner tym ..
8:15 pm ..
 
Seeya!
 
fge
@ItachiUchiha meh, there's not as much to say :p
 
still waiting for a full fledge TDD session, where I can sit with pop-corn and coke
 
@Swordy Later.
@ItachiUchiha My presentation will cover a little bit of TDD.
Rather, it will use TDD.
 
@ItachiUchiha Me too!
 
2:53 PM
woaha!!!
 
@fge why don't you try downloading ezvid from ezvid.com?
 
fge
Heh, then I need not do it :p
 
It is a 60 min presentation, which means we will have a break or two to fill out baskets back :P
 
I derped around a bit and the result was pretty good
 
I'm probably going to base it on my Presenter First blog post, since @fge is so fond of it. :)
 
2:54 PM
@Gemtastic Ezvid sucks, it doesn't compile any video at all, it just forces you to upload to an online account thru the program and it adds this stupid watermark thing.
 
@ItachiUchiha Eh, I doubt it will be that long.
 
fge
@Michael actually I took it to the core; my debugger GUI is pretty much readily portable to a webapp
 
And terrible customization and UI.
 
@fge Haha sweet!
 
@Unihedro do you have a better recommendatioon for a freeware?
 
fge
2:55 PM
I may try with GWT
Or, uh, something else
 
Back .. have a question.. which engine should I opt for creating games .. here are the 2 options.. Ignore the 3rd paid one :D gamedev.stackexchange.com/a/30236/59903
 
fge
(but first I need a hosting service)
 
@fge CLI?
 
fge
Uhm no
 
Eh, I used to have one before I got Fraps, let me look up the name.
 
2:55 PM
lol
 
@fge If you want a logo for it (the debugger), you know where to find me
 
@fge AWS until you can invest in something better?
 
fge
@Gemtastic I wouldn't even have an idea of a logo
@Unihedro well, there's heroku too... But I already have an app there
(which I should refactor; the code sucks beyond belief
 
@fge I can brainstorm a few for you. It's called Grappa, right?
 
fge
Yep
I actually tried and did a pretty poor logo
 
2:57 PM
Logos are easier than layouts. Logos are based on the company and/or the product.
Layouts and designs are often based on a logo.
 
@fge GWT?
 
Michael Angstadt added you in return on Google+
Michael is already in your circles. Learn more.
 
Cool lights!
 
@Swordy Yay!
 
3:11 PM
ob for (short-lived) posterity:
11 hours ago, by Unihedro
WELL I DID REALIZE AND ADDED THEM BACK LIKE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, CAN'T YOU WAIT FOR LIKE ONE MINUTE BEFORE SPAMMING THE MAIL?!
 
@Swordy xD
 
if Unihedro were to un-downvote all of the posts, I believe that he would easily cross 10K rep..
 
Nope, not going to happen.
 
:( .. you let me down..
 
7362 Votes Cast
all time: 6030 down
by type: 4501 question, 2861 answer
By percentage, 1/3 of the downvotes are on answers, so that's only -2000 in rep.
 
3:15 PM
2861 + 6000 = 8861
 
Eh, only downvotes on answers cost reputation, not ones on questions.
 
yes..
6k is ur current rep..
 
Plus, I'm not that selfish to steal those 2k rep and make the site slightly worse.
 
i agree with you.. so much of selflessness.. :'(
btw , a question.. ANDEngine or libGDX ??
 
Spaces.
 
3:18 PM
what is that?
 
. . <- the character between the dots.
 
:-|
that isn't an engine !!
 
... so?
 
u have 2 options..
ANDEngine or libGDX
 
No, I have as infinitely many as I so desire.
 
3:20 PM
from a beginner's point of view.
so what would u suggest except for punctuations and white spaces?
 
stackoverflow.com/users/100970/ceki <--- he has written almost all java loggers :P
 
Handsome gentlemen we have here
 
Looks like something to work on?
 
The two "r"s looks inconsistent.
 
F**in awesome
@Gem PNG preffered
 
3:30 PM
@Unihedro Agreed.
 
@ItachiUchiha That's just a really quick scetch
Final product should be a SVG path
 
@Gem While you're at it, I'd love it if you could create a logo for ez-vcard. :)
 
@Michael ez-vcard? :)
 
3:31 PM
Michael's awesome project.
 
such java, so wow :)
 
fge
@Gemtastic actually I selected the name not only because of gra_mmars and _pa_rsers, but also since it reminds of the Italian liquor which is based on grapes, _and a parse tree also looks somehow like a grape
 
It's an open source project I developed for parsing vCard files.
 
@fge Hmm, so you like some grapes as your icon then?
 
@Unihedro Oh stop it... blushes
 
fge
3:32 PM
@Gemtastic that's what I have in mind, yes
@ItachiUchiha yes, Google Web Toolkit; a little complex to set up but it allows you to write your web interfaces entirely in Java code
 
@fge well, just for future reference, name whatever ideas you do have ;)
 
Just curious, do any of you use other languages that run in the Java VM?
 
Like Object-Team?
Or jpython?
 
@Unihedro You're missing the most obvious one...
 
Or, you know, I'm purposefully skipping it.
 
3:36 PM
@fge hmm
 
Umm...scala...xD
 
Aaaaahhhh!!!
 
Well, I'll see what I can cook up. I feel like this is something I need pen and paper for XD
 
I'm pretty sure Scala is the most popular JVM language (after Java, of course).
 
I think I need to read up on parsers >_>
 
3:41 PM
@SebastiaanvandenBroek And no, sorry. I've only worked with Java.
 
Yeah I'm mostly using Scala nowadays as well
Haven't tried any of the others yet
 
Nope, I don't see anything.
 
jpython could be fun
Though Scala is absolutely amazing too, I can't live without functional constructs anymore now.
 
Scala constructs are poisonous. They weaken your ability to code in a real, practical language.
 
@Michael what does the ez stand for?
 
@Gemtastic Easy
 
@Gemtastic EZ, "easy" sound
 
Ah
 
Time moves on Unihedro :)
 
Which is what downvoting is for.
 
3:50 PM
If I can write the same things in Scala in 2/3rds of the lines of code, I think I would consider that the practical language
 
@Gemtastic It should have something that has to do with phone books, or contact lists.
I'd love for there to be some sort of icon to associate with it.
 
But I need to get into the Java 8 constructs, haven't even really bothered looking into it yet
 
@SebastiaanvandenBroek You can do 50 lines of Scala in a line of Perl. Use it instead then.
 
Well for me Scala is still actually readable
 
/closed as primarily opinion based
 
3:52 PM
@Michael Well, an icon is kind of a given; you need some sort of iconic profiling for everything. I'm just thinking about what it could be
There's not too much room for imagination
 
fge
@SebastiaanvandenBroek "short" != "better"; there's a saying that goes which is seldomly known that you write code once, but you read it many times
 
@Gemtastic lol yeah I know.
 
Yes I realize that fge, it's not a competition of writing smallest code possible
 
I'm sorry, Scala statistically never wins in code golf, while Java still wins, although rarely.
 
fge
Yup, which is why I prefer 100 lines of Java to 45 of Scala
 
3:53 PM
> Why has Java not gone away?

Because potential replacements like Scala are not yet old enough to have a better track record of security or reliability
^^ lol
 
@Michael I could make a few attempts though
 
@Gemtastic Thank you so much! :D
 
There are also arguments that say that lines of code are actually an extremely important metric for code understanding, regardless of complexity
 
fge
Java is more simple as a language, you have a less hard time reading it
 
@Gemtastic I owe you one. :)
 
3:54 PM
@SebastiaanvandenBroek That is a false assumption. When someone tells you it, write their name down on a list and remember never to be friends with these people.
 
This one is imba
> Java's vulnerability density is not worse than other open source software and languages like PHP.

I do not have incomprehensible webpage errors twenty lines long due to PHP. I do not get web pages that crash my entire browser because of anything but Java.
 
@Michael Well, don't sell the skin before the bear has been shot. I can't promise it'll be something you'll like
 
Code understanding is best represented by its structure, how well documented it is, and the ease of expanding.
 
@Gemtastic Totally. I understand.
@Gemtastic Still, I appreciate the effort, no matter how it turns out.
 
documented... meh, if lines of code needs comments other than WHY something is happening, it's bad code
 
3:56 PM
@SebastiaanvandenBroek I'm sorry?
 
class descriptions, ok
But if you have to explain what's actually happening your code in text again, it was bad in the first place.
 
@Michael If I make something you like it's good promotion for my graphics designing
 
@SebastiaanvandenBroek If you fail to explain what you are doing then you are not justifying what you do.
Ease of self document-ability is a lie.
 
Hi guys, I'm using Joda-Time to get the difference between two timestamps in days and months. However using this returns only the number of FULL months between the two dates. So I was wondering how could I get the decimal (residual) part too (1.5 months and so on) ? Or is there another simpler way to proceed ?
 
Yes but the explanation should be obvious from the code itself, the good naming of methods, params and variables and by not making them huge
 
3:57 PM
(Of which mediocre programmers use to get around the guilt caused by writing horrible and few documentation.)
@SebastiaanvandenBroek That is a horrible opinion. Who told you that?
@Enissay Eh.
 
Very smart people
 
@Gemtastic Cool! If I use it, I'll be sure to credit you. :)
 
And enough experience to know it's true
 
@Unihedro unclear ? :(
 
I'm not even sure if that post is anywhere near what you're looking for, considering the question is incomprehensible.
Ugh, out of downvotes.
 
fge
3:59 PM
Argh f*4
 
@Unihedro Comment-less coding is a technique many people use.
 

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