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fge
12:00 PM
@Gemtastic depends on how confident you are with the sturdiness of your storage
 
@fge Referring to the DB or the reference handling methods?
 
fge
The big advantage of "everything in an RDBMS" is that you have to back up only one source, and that you can be confident about your backups
 
Uh-huh
 
@Gemtastic Images can also be kept on the FS and their path can be stored in the DB
 
fge
But of course it requires a good engine (therefore not MySQL)
 
12:01 PM
@ItachiUchiha FS?
 
fge
filesystem
But if you do that you have to ensure that the db and filesystem never get out of sync
And that's harder than you may think
 
@ItachiUchiha That's what I mean with the second method.
 
@fge +1
 
fge
I definitely prefer the "all in the db" approach and a good, solid RDBMS (PostgreSQL or... Yes... Oracle)
 
@Gemtastic I don't think that's what happens
 
12:03 PM
So, back to my question: How do most people solve it?
 
With PHP you can allow the user to upload a file into the FS electronically and embed it in your webpages on query
For example: load_file_contents("/pics/1.png")
And then header() to initiate download
 
@fge I kinda feel like that would be the best solution, but I'm curious as to what most people do.
 
fge
@Gemtastic no idea, I have given you my way of doing it anyway
And I would definitely never, ever use PHP
 
Drupal does the database way, which is why they suck
@fge That's just you :)
 
@Gemtastic FS is the more preferable way, IMHO
 
12:04 PM
I'm not really gonna use PHP either...
No h8 just not into that atm
 
fge
@Unihedro not just me
 
fge
I want a service to be rock solid
 
OS by StackOverflow!
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@ItachiUchiha Where do you normally store the images then? On the server?
 
12:06 PM
Yeah, that made me laugh when I saw it in the morning :P
@Gemtastic yeah..
/ Feels, he sucks at designing
 
I don't know if I can manage before this course is over, but the idea is to make a little UI for the site owner to add things herself so that I won't really have to be involved for more than maybe a little maintenance.
 
@Gemtastic add things?
 
Add to the store.
 
Online Store?
 
Maybe I should have been more clear about that XD
 
12:09 PM
@Gemtastic Well, here's an idea: Define custom types like "articles", "description", "items", and have a database which links up each item with the articles or descriptions that's related
 
Yeah..
 
So here item will be the unique field
 
@ita:
 
fge
@Gemtastic and use jooq
 
10 mins ago, by Gemtastic
@ItachiUchiha Well, I'm trying to figure how most people who do backend programming solves having databases and images related to those entries. Let's say I'm making a database for an online-store. Each entry is a product and on the website each entry will be displayed with an image. Now, do you put a blop in the database of do you store the images on the server and tie the database entry to a reference?
 
12:09 PM
The UI depends on how you want to do it though: I recommend PHP, but inb4 fge attack, look up jooq
 
@gem my bad :P
 
And if you're stuck with JSP: Run (don't walk) to your nearest potential workplace hiring a developer and work in it
 
@Unihedro The whole idea is to use Java
 
@Gemtastic ... Well, then use JMS!
 
@Unihedro o_O ?
 
12:11 PM
@Unihedro We aren't stuck with JSP! We get to use ThymeLeaf instead. Not sure if it's better but newer
 
fge
@Gemtastic if you really want PURE java on all the stack, including the UI then that would be GWT, but it has its downsides (as every solution)
 
The client will retrieve from the server (also running Java) thru JMS and your defined protocol (you can go with a make-do one), you can simply use JOoQ
@Gemtastic ThymeLeaf...
 
@fge They are not going that way :P
@fge btw, I need some insight on designing API's :)
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
4 mins ago, by ItachiUchiha
/ Feels, he sucks at designing
 
12:12 PM
@fge Well, in this case it's only the back-end that has to be Java of course; it's web oriented so front end is supposed to be HTML, CSS and JS
 
@ItachiUchiha Stack Exchange has all the answers, just ask on Programmers
@Gemtastic please let there be php
 
@Unihedro Nope
 
@Unihedro The problem is more than a question :P
 
You'll hate working with static pages
@ItachiUchiha You make it sound like it's less than a question.
@Gemtastic ಠಿ_ಠ
 
@Unihedro We are using JS and Thyme for that
 
12:13 PM
@Unihedro Well, I am not sure how to make it sound :P
 
@Gemtastic JS is all client side, and Thyme doesn't even do anything helpful
 
fge
@ItachiUchiha uh, I don't believe I can really help on that
 
@Unihedro And then there's Java.
 
@Unihedro she doesn't have a choice, she has to use what her professor asks her to :P
 
@ItachiUchiha @fge ~why no homework
 
12:15 PM
It's not even the professor; there's a course plan the professor has to follow.
 
@Unihedro Didn't get you >
 
@Gemtastic How... I feel so sorry for you,.
@Gemtastic And your professor.
 
Well, Java is not that bad
 
@ItachiUchiha Eh... I'll go fetch the xkcd comic
 
Fly Away, Java Hater!
@fge You have designed so many API's. If not you, then who?
 
12:17 PM
 
That rhymed perfectly
 
fge
@ItachiUchiha that doesn't mean that I'm good at designing APIs
 
The professor isn't a professor; he's a hired teacher, so he doesn't know any PHP
 
@ItachiUchiha .. No, that rhyme was so bad it made me shed a tear.
@Gemtastic fool him with url_rewrite to hide the .php extension
 
fge
@ItachiUchiha I can try and answer some questions, though, so shoot
 
12:18 PM
@Unihedro This is lame!
 
@Unihedro At this point, I just wanna make something work before I fly out on languages not even covered in the course
 
Good luck! I'm not surprised though.
#import <rant.schools>
Therefore, all the students will probably hand in something of that quality anyway.
 
@Unihedro I would prefer coding a backend in Java, then spending few months to learn PHP and then code in it. Well, I won't be able to take full advantage of the language, but it will do a decent job for me!
 
@ItachiUchiha It's not. It exactly covers why people think Java developers are lame - because most Java devs don't know what they're doing.
 
@Unihedro and what made you conclude this?
 
12:20 PM
@ItachiUchiha ... It's decent only because you don't know PHP.
If you knew PHP in advance, the time cost would be zero, and then you'd agree that Java is never the right tool.
 
@Unihedro Yes, and I don't want to waste my time learning it!
 
@ItachiUchiha the glass bottle and old shoe problem
@ItachiUchiha Of course you can get away with writing Java - that's the straightforward yet terrible approach for a non-PHP coder, where Java would had never been the right tool anyway.
Nov 4 at 15:47, by Unihedron
3 hours ago, by Unihedron
New reference link for pre-built boilerplate lessons: Pounding A Nail: Old Shoe or Glass Bottle?
 
Well, it is not! You know what, I have dirtied my hands in PHP. The language is a shit.
 
fge
"PHP is the solution of choice for relaying MySQL errors to web users" (javabot on FreeNode)
 
@ItachiUchiha ... I don't get what you're trying to convey here. :P That's your experience, it has nothing to do with whether Java is the right tool on the first place.
 
fge
12:23 PM
Well, if I were to try out a new site I'd probably go with angularjs
 
@fge For this specific problem, my candidates to go are: Drupal (which is crap), AngularJS, Flask, or PHP.
 
@Unihedro I agree Java is pretty heavy when it comes to a normal website, but why PHP? Go with rails, or some other language :)
 
@ItachiUchiha Rails suck.
And name this "some other language"?
 
@Unihedro Less than PHP
You know what, Java Rocks!!!!
 
@ItachiUchiha We all agree that PHP is the worst language, but it doesn't delegate a more appropriate candidate for this task.
5 mins ago, by Unihedro
@ItachiUchiha It's not. It exactly covers why people think Java developers are lame - because most Java devs don't know what they're doing.
 
12:25 PM
1 min ago, by ItachiUchiha
@Unihedro I agree Java is pretty heavy when it comes to a normal website, but why PHP? Go with rails, or some other language :)
 
1 min ago, by Unihedro
And name this "some other language"?
Also, rails suck. So, if you're going to build a website in Rails, drop it. Even Ruby coders don't use Rails.
 
@Unihedro ASP.NET, Go, Python etc
 

ASP.NET

Welcome to ASP.Net Room. Don't ask to ask just ask your questi...
If you can survive 50 seconds in there after saying "I'm going to build a website in ASP.NET", I'll give you five bucks.
Also, you can't build websites in Go because it doesn't support web-servering.
 
@Unihedro There you go
 
Python can't even maintain database connections until you install a native interface.
 
12:29 PM
Wat are you people talking about?
 
@ItachiUchiha No one is even in there, so it doesn't count.
 
fge
Meh, all of this heated debate stems from a question of @Gemtastic who actually sought help, guys :p
 
^^
 
Also, you're mostly wrong about what you're saying :D
 
@Unihedro I have never used it, so I never know :P
 
fge
12:29 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum heated debate of the (end of) year, it seems
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum We're discussing whether PHP or Java is a worse candidate for @Gem's task.
 
fge
And DON'T add oil to the fire
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Welcome :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum :O
 
@Unihedro they should just use whatever language he already knows.
Most websites are database skins anyway.
 
12:30 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Thanks! @uni there you go, End of Discussion!
 
She, fine.
@Unihedro JS runs on servers for few years now.
 
@ItachiUchiha Benjamin hasn't finished their stance yet! Stop trying to kill my stance so quickly!
 
Stop spreading FUD about technologies, seriously people.
 
Look who is saying this
 
Has any of you actually worked on production grade software for more than a few weeks in any of those technologies?
@ItachiUchiha me, wanna talk about it?
 
12:32 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I have talked a lot about it, no more.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Me, [java].
 
When I dislike stuff in Java I back up everything I say, there are tons of stuff I dislike and some stuff I like. There is a lot of things I dislike and like in many technologies.
There is a big difference, I think Java is a bad programming language that has a longer way to go to be good than most.
That is completely irrelevant to the business concern of choosing a language to write a website in.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Why?
 
When a friend asked me a year ago (before Java 8 even) what language to code his website in and I asked him what he knew and he said "Well, I only know Java" wanna guess what I told him to do?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum If that is the case, then I am willing to listen :)
I always thought, your hate for Java over shadowed everything else :P
 
12:34 PM
I told him "If you only know Java - go get a GAE account or something and build your thing in Java - it's crufty and heavy but websites are simple and it's mostly irrelevant"
@ItachiUchiha I don't hate Java, I think it's a shitty programming language - I think lots of languages are shitty...
 
fge
I value solidity above all else, and Java is pretty solid -- plus, it has a very mature ecosystem
 
There comes a time when we draw a line between how much we think a technology is good and practical concerns.
 
fge
And as I know the language well to boot --> I'd go Java anytime
 
@fge +1
 
@fge Is that why you don't have a website?
 
12:36 PM
javaroom.website on Java
 
fge
@Unihedro I do have one
But I suck horribly at design
 
@ItachiUchiha It doesn't run on Java, it runs on (shocking!) PHP and HTML and static CSS and JS. The backend server runs on Ruby, but that's temporary for prototyping.
 
fge
It has a solid core but its appearance is sh*t
 
@fge I think Java has some of the weakest abstractions because of old version baggage. Generics are compile time, the super and extends bits are undecidable, the type system is borked (everything is an object except functions and primitives), you need a lot of conversions, a lot of things in the language are "Do not use!" like serialization, you have static things which is a shame and so on.
It's not their fault, they have 20 years of baggage, but I'd expect them to write a new JVM language by now.
 
Please name it Jabba.
 
fge
12:38 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum nothing prevents you from doing so
And some people already did
 
@fge I'm not a good language designer - that skill takes tens of years to master and get right - I'm saying I'm disappointed they didn't do it. Especially since back at the OOPSLA days it sounded like they were going to.
 
@Unihedro I know that, I am recommending it to be written using Java :)
 
Well, in my case, I have to use Java for the back end. It's kinda the whole point of the course; how to do this with java. Front-end however is HTML, CSS and JavaScript. The DB we're working with is mySQL but any database that supports Java should be fine.
 
@ItachiUchiha But... Why? I don't want a make-do framework.
 
Instead, they stole stuff from experimental languages and made it worse by compatibility things. That again does not change the facts there are scenarios where I'd pick Java over other languages.
 
fge
12:39 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum as to the language's weaknesses, well, I live with them and frankly I don't even notice them anymore
 
@Gemtastic Ah, if it's a course there is little room for debate about the stack :)
 
@Unihedro make-do ?
 
@fge in my opinion you should find the fact it's not bothering you any more is extremely disturbing and pick up new languages until it bothers you again.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Exactly. I'm not against learning other things (I love to learn) but it's an intense course and I intend to make a webshop good enough to go live.
 
You don't get better at development by being more of the same.
 
fge
12:41 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum I still do C, you know
 
@ItachiUchiha Yes. I see no advantage running a Java server and have the website exclusively hook into it, where if- Eh, let it go, I'll just lie about doing it in java and actually use what I was going to use.
 
@fge In my opinion you should make an honest attempt at a functional programming language.
 
fge
@BenjaminGruenbaum I did, several years ago, with Scheme
 
@Unihedro Liar :P :P
 
@fge and I bet Java's weaknesses bothered you more back then :)
 
fge
12:42 PM
I hated it with a passion -- nothing practical you can do with it, and ultimately, for really doing stuff, you had to do procedural stuff anyway
 
What about Python?
 
@Unihedro I kind of find it a sport to do it in java, kinda like how some people like to use PHP for all kinds of stuff it's not actually made for.
 
Python is easy to pick up and you appreciate a lot of things about it very quickly.
 
fge
I put a heavy emphasis on practicality, and Scheme just isn't there
@BenjaminGruenbaum I hate the language with even more of a passion
 
@Benjamin why does this debate on Java always start when you are around :(
 
12:43 PM
Yeah, Scheme is not what I'd start with.
@fge why?
 
@ItachiUchiha He's an experienced answerer of crap [java] questions.
 
Hello @over
 
fge
Python sucks at multithreading and has no builtin mechanism of encapsulation -- monkey patching and whatnot? Spacing matters? All of this in 2014? You've got to be kidding me
 
12:44 PM
@Unihedro haha, yeah! I would give that to him ;)
 
On my end I'm not even sure I explain what I have to do correctly
 
@ItachiUchiha Guess what?
 
@Unihedro :O
 
I feel a bit out of place; when I talk to web developers I get answers about not re-inventing the wheel and to use done frameworks that ARE what I'm supposed to build, and here you people don't even want me to use Java at all XD
 
@Gemtastic "web developers"
 
12:46 PM
@Gemtastic Just do whatever your course asks you to do :P
 
Yeah, the people who fiddle with PHP, thinking they're a rockstar. :P
 
@Unihedro That's kinda how I'm starting to feel >_>
 
@Unihedro ??
 
fge
@Gemtastic just try what you want to try :p I believe you won't obtain any useful advice by now :p
 
i had a query on usage of hashCode()
 
12:46 PM
@ItachiUchiha Well, the issue is, I want someone to talk to and get feedback from
 
@fge it has a built in mechanism for encapsulation and spacing matters takes about 2 days to get used to. It also has really powerful numeric manipulation libraries.
 
in Teenage Programmers Chatroom, 2 days ago, by Unihedro
@PDKnight I'm just venting. Practically, stop whatever conversation with if I'm in it when I complain that something sucks, because you'll never really gain anything by listening.
 
It's more fun that way, less walking around in the dark
 
@Unihedro Go is overrated
 
when we say someObject == otherObject i learnt that actual comparison between someObject.hashCode() == otherObject.hashCode()
 
12:47 PM
@Unihedro the people in the php room are some of the brightest most level-headed people, the fact kids can pick up PHP in a week and feel like rockstars is an extremely strong feature of the language, not a bad one.
 
@OlegKuznetsov Go is just oh god why does this language even exist.
 
is that correct?
 
fge
@overexchange that is completely false
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Touche.
 
@Unihedro Well, whatever you said is a fact, coz whatever you have said for the last 20 or so mins was all crap :P
 
12:48 PM
@OlegKuznetsov we have a challenge this month in Go, why not try giving it a chance?
 
fge
@overexchange what is true about hashcode is that for two objects o1 and o2, if they are .equals(), then they must have the same hashcode
 
I just felt like a rockstar from being able to run the tomcat server on my computer >_>
 
fge
But that is .equals(), not ==
 
I must be easy to please
 
@fge ... according to hashcode contract
@Gemtastic talk about "Hello World"
 
12:49 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum "How a winner will be chosen" LMAO :D
 
@Unihedro Well, I never knew how to do it and I've wanted to do it since I was 16 so it felt big for me personally.
like; yay I can actually start doing stuff now!
 
fge
@Gemtastic that's the spirit, don't lose it
 
@Gemtastic :D
Help flag this spam, please.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/42816/21830
 
public boolean equals(Object obj) {
	return (this == obj);
    }
it is just comparing the addresses where objects are stored
@fge but default method equals() in class Object does not use hashCode() internally.
 
fge
@overexchange read carefully the javadoc of Object's .equals() and .hashCode()
 
12:51 PM
@overexchange Because you're using ==
 
And what I've done so far with programming servlets actually seem fun. If Java is the least optimal tool for that, then I will probably have a lot of fun learning that later, but I just don't have the time now. The schedule is tight and I have to follow the course plan.
 
@Gemtastic Good luck! You can do it :P
 
Thanks ^^
 
fge
@overexchange and then read it again
 
Operator overloading and sane == could have made Java much more readable :/
 
fge
12:53 PM
Argh
I hate operator overloading
 
I wanna go home so I can get some peace to code
 
fge
If anything I strongly believe this makes code less readable, not more
 
Never did any data crunching I take it?
 
these two statements look contradictory(not clear) to me: 1) -- if two objects are equal according to the equals(Object) method, then calling the hashCode() method on each of the two objects must produce the same integer result. 2) --- It is not required that if two objects are unequal according to the equals(java.lang.Object) method, then calling the hashCode() method on each of the two objects must produce distinct integer results.
 
fge
has decided on the next evolution of throwing lambdas
 
1:04 PM
@overexchange Then you should read it again, because they are not contradicting, and are immensely clear.
 
fge
@overexchange how is this contradictory? hashing is an injective function to begin with
 
@fge wonders if fge will share it
 
fge
@Unihedro certainly so; there will be wrap() methods which will return THrowing* versions, and on the interfaces there will be operations .or*()
For instance, on Functions, .orReturn(somedefault), and on UnaryOperators, .orReturnSelf(), etc etc
 
... ?!!
Will there be onlyIf()?
Consumer.onlyIf(Predicate) -> Return Consumer
 
fge
@Unihedro and what would that do? Usage?
Eh?
But there's .filter() on Streams for that
 
1:08 PM
@fge The new Consumer will only apply on the original consumer if it returns true on test of the Predicate
 
fge
Sorry, I don't follow very well
Can you give a concrete example?
 
@fge Yeah... Well... Never mind me :P
@fge hmm...
I can't.
 
fge
Well, anyway --> branch, code
(now, what to test is another question)
 
I should write some tests.
Actually, I should switch to IntelliJ.
 
fge
I also noticed a HUGE advantage to using methods on interfaces
You can chain only if required
Now, the problem is: is this "interface abuse"
guesses he should ask codereviews
 
1:15 PM
@fge Well, here's your solution: Wait until it's Functional Interface Abuse Day before publishing the new version.
January 11! It's not too far!
 
doc says: As much as is reasonably practical, the hashCode() method defined by "class Object" does return distinct integers for distinct objects. (This is typically implemented by converting the internal address of the object into an integer..) on same lines equals() method also compare these internal addresses this == obj so that means if two objects are equal acco ... equals(Object) method, then calling the hashCode() me...two objects must produce the same integer result. holds good
but this atatemant does not hold good: It is not required that if two objects are unequal according to the equals(java.lang.Object) method, then calling the hashCode() method on each of the two objects must produce distinct integer results.
 
@Gemtastic ^_^
 
fge
@overexchange this statement holds
What makes you think it doesn't? It's perfectly reasonable and well explained
 
@overexchange You're confusing Object.hashCode() with YOUROBJECT.hashCode().
 
fge
@overexchange this is a perfectly valid hashCode() method: public int hashCode() { return 42; }
 
1:21 PM
When you generate the hashcode, it doesn't need the be distinct - only the system does, with the memory address.
 
fge
If you read the contract of hashCode again you will see that this is a valid implementation
 
am only talking about class Object``hashCode() am yet to think of how it works in subclass
 
fge
(useless, but valid)
Well then what don't you understand in this statement? "As much as is reasonably practical, the hashCode() method defined by "class Object" does return distinct integers for distinct objects"
 
@overexchange That doesn't change how distinct hashCodes are not required.
 
fge
Which means it may not always return distinct hashcodes for distinct instances
 
1:24 PM
but somebody said hashCode() is injective(1 to 1)
 
fge
Eh?
That's not injective
That's bijective
Hashcode is injective: n to 1
ie, there exists n, o1 and o2 so that f(o1) == f(o2) == n
That is the definition of an injective function
 
@fge I just thought of something - can't you do that wrapping thing with AOP? I'm pretty sure AspectJ can do it - although that's not a part of the language
 
if(cat.bored()){
    Christmastree.ornamets = broken;
    Toast.cheese = omNom;
}
 
fge
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't want other dependencies than the JDK
 
@fge AOP is not a dependency, it's a paradigm
In computing, aspect-oriented programming (AOP) is a programming paradigm that aims to increase modularity by allowing the separation of cross-cutting concerns. AOP forms a basis for aspect-oriented software development. AOP includes programming methods and tools that support the modularization of concerns at the level of the source code, while "aspect-oriented software development" refers to a whole engineering discipline. Aspect-oriented programming entails breaking down program logic into distinct parts (so-called concerns, cohesive areas of functionality). Nearly all programming paradigms support...
It's... a friend of OOP
 
1:31 PM
Me.dangYouCat();
 
@Gem:
 
@Uni
 
Eh, I had something relevant, it won't load though.
 
:(
 
1:32 PM
XD
 
Watch the cartoon :D
 
I love simon's cat. so true
Though this little stuffed toy of a cat is a real wimp. He tries to blame us for him being bored
He's an outdoor cat; he can go out if he wants to, but he rather stay indoors all seasons. So, of course he's bored XD
Silly cat
 
Hungry cat ruins the owners' morning, always :D
 
Yep
Though this one is fed, he's just bored
and you can never get too much cheese
Random:
Atoms: the only thing that matters.
 
user4202350
@Unihedro i expressed my opinion ... every time my comment cannt be trashed
 
1:40 PM
@ShaU Opinions are always off-topic for professional rooms.
 
user4202350
Professional room cannot have silly cat videos too
 
Of course they can. Cats are vital for proffessionalism
 
@ShaU Did you just call Simon's Cat silly?!
Do you KNOW what powers Google?!
 
user4202350
i think there is groupsim in this group
 
1:43 PM
@ShaU There is no spoon.
 
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
 
Over 40% red?
 
I'd say it's over 9000
 
:O
 
Programming on the other hand @ShaU, that's serious bsns. Of course you may have an opinion, as long as it's based on facts. Programming is facts. It's logic. It's not "I think this sucks/is the best because I think so".
 
1:45 PM
This is how expert life is like @ShaU, if you think cats are silly, think again
 
Only cats are hardcore enough to take on alligators and bears.
 
Is it really that weird that I don't like using the finished solutions until after I know how to do it myself without one?
 
@Gemtastic :P
 
@Gemtastic It's not weird at all.
 
1:50 PM
I like to get down and dirty with the code so I know how it works. I don't just wanna drive the programming car, I wanna get under the hood, see the parts and know how they work.
 
You will be a code mechanic someday. ;)
 
I think I'm gonna put that on my profile.
 
Put it in your CV. :P
 
Gonna do that too :P
Profile updated.
 
:joy:
 
1:55 PM
Added a little humourous reference to automatic vs stick-shift too XD
 
@Gemtastic ♪"Trust me, I'm an engineer"♪
 
Hehe
Truest words I've heard in a long time:
"There are no `gamer girls`. There are only gamers since gaming has nothing to do with your gender."
 
What's a gamer?
 
Hello All my friends
 
Hi @ChetanBhalara! Welcome to the room of Java!
 
1:57 PM
@ChetanBhalara Heyo!
 
Can anyone help me on to get data from USB Drive to android app
 
Sure, what do you have?
 
@Unihedro Well, you see little one; there are some other languages called someting with a C. These languages can make awesome things called games. Now, these games are played by people whom are gamers. These wonderful mythical creatures come in all shapes and forms and they are quite lovely.
;P
 
@Gemtastic Wait, "gamer" is actually a noun? Isn't it a term the people make up to feel good about wasting their time?
You know, "i'm a gamer blah blah blah"
 
@Unihedro "Any time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time"
 
1:59 PM
@Gemtastic Where does that quote come from?
 
@Unihedro I forgot the author
 

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