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4:01 PM
Off to lunch. Bye @all
 
Seeya @Michael
 
fge
@ItachiUchiha this one is for you: stackoverflow.com/q/28527963/1093528
 
@ItachiUchiha: Are you answering ^ that? If not I'm going to close it...
 
On it
 
Ok.
preys something else
 
4:14 PM
Back
 
fge
thinks that @Unihedro is a little too close-happy
 
Guys, will anyone be interested in a hangout session about Git?
I'm considering one and gauging interest.
 
fge
Why not
What would be covered?
 
Up to branches
 
@SecondRikudo If you're interested in doing it with us, sure I can create an event for you
 
fge
4:15 PM
So, no rebase, interactive add etc?
 
@Gem needed some advanced git knowledge eventually anyway
cough
 
@fge not for a first session IMO
 
fge
Yes, sure
 
Just the basics of "how to set up a git repo, get it on github, push code, navigate around, work with a team"
 
fge
Well then, the commit graph, remotes, fetching, merging and branch creation
 
4:16 PM
Sounds interesting :p
 
@fge Pretty much, yeah.
 
@Unihedro Indeed I do
 
Yeah
@SecondRikudo Nice one ;)
 
fge
We can even start it now :p
 
Git is supposed to be part of this course, but I rather learn it from fge than the derps titling themselves "teachers"
@fge I'm game! :D
 
4:18 PM
If @SecondRikudo doesn't need time to prepare :P
 
@fge I have a thing up until about two more hours
 
fge
(no, I'm in too much of a hurry I guess)
 
@Gemtastic no, @SecondRikudo is doing it :p
 
fge
OK then in two hours?
 
Cool
 
4:18 PM
Sure
 
In two hours I'd be playing minecraft with the people at gaming.SE
 
@uni can you put it up ?
 
@Unihedro Well, I rather learn it from second than my teachers as well XD
 
@Unihedro OR! You can not do that.
 
lolz :P
 
4:19 PM
@Gemtastic takes a bow
 
I'm not going anywhere today so just ping me whenever it's time and I'll be there
Looking forward to it ^^
 
fge
However, the commit graph is something which would require, uhm, graphics
 
@fge I'm a strict CLI guy
Heard of git lg? :)
 
@second I posted my first answer on the anime site. Are you proud now? ;P
 
@Gemtastic I'm not disappointed with you anymore. Is that good enough?
 
4:22 PM
@SecondRikudo Well, I'm not trying to please you, so whatever :P
But you recruited me so I was assuming you had expectations
 
I read that as
> B-Baka! It's not like I'm trying to please you... or anything...
 
Pfft
I'm so not tsundere
 
Well, actually I am. I'm a reverse tsundere. I act all dere dere but in the inside I'm all tsun tsun
 
lol
 
fge
4:25 PM
@Gemtastic do you believe you can have a drawing app ready for a hangout session? Nothing too fancy, simply something to be able to "draw" circles and lines
I believe this would help
@SecondRikudo would guide you into drawing what is needed to understand
(since you're a graphics artist, and here, images help a lot)
 
There's the draw application already
 
@fge Actually, that's something above the border of what I could do. I have no idea how to make it, but I should be able to...
 
If I'm presenting, I'll just open a blank white page and draw on that
Should be fine
Also, git lg man, git lg
 
To me it's more of a "why don't you just use paint?"
 
Guys, i have never work/read about java before , but i know these ( from best to medium skill ) = C# > C++ > Javascript > html > css > php , know any idea how much time i need to put or how hard is it for me to learn java ?!? :D Tnx
 
4:28 PM
@Pedram Java is not hard to learn
 
@Pedram If you know other languages, then you should know that it all boils down to how much tiem you're willing to invest into it.
 
Its syntax is very familiar to PHP and JavaScript (both having inspired their syntax from Java)
 
Asking how long it will take is like asking "how long is a string".
 
Java is as OOP than C# and is more rigid than C#.
 
@Pedram How much of Java are you willing to devour?
 
4:30 PM
well i learned C++ first , but then i learn C# 2 years ago , and since then i did projects i had or all stuff i wanted to make or .. with C# , so i get more into C# than C++ lol ,
for java , well probably it's big like anyother if u want to learn all aspect of it , but i want to learn around making a simple game and such
not to simple not too big
 
Look, you can virtually learn any language in two minutes, just look up the hello world programs.
So with so little context, there's no way for me to give you anything useful.
 
@Pedram start with making a hello world, then a simple CLI tool, then a simple GUI tool, and work your way up from there
There's no silver bullet to learning anything
You just needs to get your hands dirty and do it.
 
yeh ikr :D codecademy.com for example , great site for learning from basic , it got javascript and php I start from there , it don't have java tho sadly
 
For example, if you have true mastery on any of the mentioned field at all, simple string manipulation and text games are pieces of cake.
@Pedram "codecademy" a "great site"? kidding
 
@Unihedro dunno what u see bad at it , but if u mean its not in depth or such , well i said for basic and starting :P
 
4:37 PM
I lack mental energy to bash codecademy, but you should know better.
@SecondRikudo Please name your event so it has a proper name on the events board.
 
@Unihedro Gitting Better, with Second Rikudo
 
:D, i am not promoting it to be best or bash to defend it :P but to be honest , if ur really noob or lost at a language and other sites tutorials might confuse u , this site start it so simple that anyone can understand :P better than getting confused early and giving up :P
 
Unihedro has added an event to this room's schedule.
Unihedro has removed an event from this room's schedule.
Unihedro has added an event to this room's schedule.
 
Is the time right? It might be a bit later than it should be, but meh
 
ok then 1 Last Question , What's best IDE / Compiler or whatever there is , for running and Learning Java stuff ? :D
 
4:43 PM
 
Notepad. javac.
 
^^ True that, if you remove IDE from the question
 
Because "Java stuff"...
I recommend IntelliJ if you have a good computer, or Eclipse if you cannot invest as much electricity, for coding in Java.
 
well the Eclipse compiler is not the best though
@Unihedro I updated the PR btw and added the anchor
 
@Vogel612 Yeah, true
 
4:49 PM
Downloading Intellij Idea Ty :D
 
Let's merge it!
 
shots fired
 
\o/
 
Is Intellij IDE a superior IDE to for example eclipse? Or what is the fuss.
 
Some seem to think that
 
4:54 PM
It does more in simpler ways. Eclipse does not have them out of the box.
I would live on Eclipse well, but IntelliJ is an excellent alternative.
 
^^ probably that.. personally I'm still mostly stuck with eclipse
 
Better integrations that could be used with little effort as compared to getting an eclipse plugin and configuring them, etc.
No, I do not feel it is a must have to everyday development, yes, I believe every serious software development job should use IntelliJ, no, I do not 100% wish I switched to IntelliJ, but I will not say I dislike neither.
 
fge
5:10 PM
I couldn't do without IDEA nowadays
 
The confession of someone trying to make a switch
 
pffff My University Mail Server is Down ( mail.mazust.ac.ir ) :P was gonna request a Free Ultimate Version of IntellliJ Idea :P
 
Developing your own mail server is generally a poor idea.
 
lol dude that is not my own mail server .... just remove the fking mail from it and woala ! u see my university site ... ( ac = academy if u don't know ! ) i can't get such a domain name as a personal domain :|
 
fge
5:28 PM
(it's "voilà", now "woala")
 
What? I simply said that your university probably shouldn't have developed their own mail server, evidently they are not competent enough.
Or rather, empirically.
Maybe I did set the event too early.
 
fge
@Unihedro well, your first attempt was 12 hours off; not the first time it happened to you
 
@Unihedro ahh , well then sorry i understood bad :P and yes ... idk what's wrong with my university , they want to make everything themself instead of using software already developed and currently used on other Academy's site ...
eveything is made by my own academy and it got a LOT of problems coz of that lol
 
@Pedram Hah, reinventing the wheel without the proper skill set to.
 
fge
wonders why there doesn't exist a Future where the exception type thrown by the Callable is part of the signature
 
5:43 PM
That's what I feel about schools. Incompetent, yet trying to achieve the better.
 
fge
Not all schools are like this, but ohwell
 
I get what you mean, but.
 
@fge do you want Future to catch the exceptions thrown by call() ?
 
fge
No
The exception is wrapped (in an ExecutionException)
But you need to cast its .getCause()
Which means that if for a reason or another you change the exception thrown by the Callable it will fail at runtime with a ClassCastException
 
fge
5:57 PM
(working on the metadata aspects of java7-fs-base right now)
 
<--- Finishing his mediaplayer (MVC mode)
Later, switch it to MVP (copy fge's code)
 
fge
My code is still not as clean as I'd like it to, though
 
I will just copy few blocks :P
Feels the present code has a lot of class level attributes zzzzz
check out my multi-threaded code http://t.co/UvCHQQEF2o
 
6:13 PM
^^ @Unihedro @fge @Vogel612 @kiheru @TheLittleNaruto
 
requires google+ account, and I'm not interested in getting one
 
@kiheru common
we all just did it for sessions..
 
6:29 PM
(elevator music)
 
dadang...
 
fge
Note about the history of git...
Before git, BitKeeper was used
And it used the same principles
 
Got it, charlie!
 
fge
But then someone reverse engineered it which was not legal, and thus git was born
 
fge
6:31 PM
I don't recall the name of the guy but he is one core Samba contributor
Andrew Tridgell
It's him
 
@Vogel612 missing
 
ohh..
was caught up in RWBY
 
lol
 
lol
the anime?
 
ya
 
6:35 PM
> I don't like Java and you can all suck it :D
2
 
^^ can't help but star it
 
He's just mopey because I didn't let him bash Java in the manga chat ;P
 
lolz
 
 
1 hour later…
fge
8:07 PM
Nice little session
So, how about we go to advanced git add stuff now? :p
 
I need to eat
 
Not now
I need to complete my code.
 
I ned to sleep. Ot's 4am.
 
4
Hope you all enjoyed, if you have more questions feel free to ping
 
1 hour and 32 minutes :O
 
fge
8:12 PM
Even longer than the TDD session
 
@fge do you remember the name of his headset? Highly Recommended.
 
time well spent
 
Crystal clear sound
 
@ItachiUchiha SENNHEISER PC 360
 
fge
8:14 PM
Sennheiser PC 360
 
Mic has an active noise canceller.
 
fund raising
 
One of the best investments I've ever made.
 
Seems like a gaming headset
<--- Been a long time since I played on LAN or a MMORPG
 
I opened the repo for your guys: bitbucket.org/MadaraUchiha/gitting-better
Fork it, play around with it :)
@Gemtastic so was I better than your instructor?
 
8:20 PM
:D
 
(Be honest!)
 
@SecondRikudo Well, he hasn't held the class yet but YES! I'm pretty sure he would just show something like sourcetree >_>
Git through commandline? I don't know that magic!
 
Commandline is super powerful
 
I like it
Even if I don't do much it makes me feel nerdier
 
For instance, you can go all git log > git.log and output all of the log into a file
There's no way sourcetree (or any gui) can do that cleanly
And even if it can
 
fge
8:23 PM
Well, a GUI can't git add -i
 
You can make the GUI do most things, it's just that they haven't.
 
A thing I haven't gone through that I really like is the ability to cryptographically sign commits
git commit -S
signing a commit is like attaching your (very secure) signature to the commit
 
@Gemtastic: I recommend getting cygwin if you don't already have it
 
Making sure that you wrote the commit and that you can vouch for the integrity of the entire repo at that point of time.
 
it gives you a unix-like terminal, which allows you to do a lot of sane stuff
 
8:25 PM
Hey guys!
 
@Unihedro Sounds like a good way of babying into linux without actually having linux
 
@Gemtastic If you want to learn linux, grab yourself a VM and an image of Ubuntu and get cracking.
 
VirtualBox is easy to use as a VM
 
It took me about a week to orient myself with linux, but after that, I haven't returned to windows since.
 
@SecondRikudo I was thinking of firing it up on this machine when I build my new one (which I will do when I get a job)
 
8:26 PM
hey, so i created something really cool
 
I would like to make a git GUI just for the sake of it
Do you think that would be something nice for the portfolio?
 
Eh.
 
@Barakados shoot it
Meh, not really useful to my ears
 
(I know it's completely pointless)
 
@Gemtastic That was what I was going to say.
 
8:27 PM
But it's more of a make something to have made something
 
public static void print(Object... o) {
for (int x = 0; x < o.length-1; x++){
System.out.print(o[x]+" ");
}
System.out.println(o[o.length-1]);
}
 
Employers don't know git.
@Barakados Concatenating in a loop?
 
:D
 
@Unihedro I know some people who got scouted through their repo
 
fge
8:28 PM
@Gemtastic well, you could use egit for that
This and JavaFX
 
@Gemtastic I know some people who get contacted by software companies for being in the tens of thousands of SO rep.
But that doesn't mean we possibly have to be the one.
 
fge
Err
jgit, I mean
 
egit is an eclipse plugin :p
 
lolz
 
fge
In fact I was thinking about developing a FileSystem over a git refspec using jgit
 
8:29 PM
laugh out loud zebras
@fge You can invite @Gem to help.
 
I actually had something cool to share with you guys, but the code isn't working
 
@fge Why would I use what I intend to build?
 
I'm trying to fix it
 
fge
@Unihedro that would be an idea
 
@Gemtastic jgit is probably an interface between Java and Git
 
fge
8:30 PM
This way @Gemtastic will also learn about JSR 203
 
If you want the GUI, you want Java talking to git at some point.
 
fge
@SecondRikudo actually no
 
@SecondRikudo But that's what I'd wanna build
 
fge
jgit does NOT use the git command
 
Oh, it's the git implementation in Java?
 
fge
8:30 PM
It is a reimplementation of git in Java entirely
 
@SecondRikudo positive
 
I think I puked a little inside my mouth
 
too bad
 
Same here
 
take that, java hater
2
 
8:31 PM
lolz
 
@Unihedro Take what, exactly?
 
reimplementing git is pointless
 
many java implementations, even those which shouldn't have been re-implemented on the first place? :p
 
IMHO
 
The fact that you Yava folk bastardized one of the greatest tools humanity ever sported?
 
8:32 PM
yes
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
choke cough gasp aaaaaaaa gasp sorry.
 
fge
@ItachiUchiha this was necessary for license reasons
 
@fge license reasons?
 
Java lives in its own little bubble in an alternate universe where Java is all there is, and all there ever was.
 
fge
@SecondRikudo saying that is also living in your own little bubble
 
Yesss.
 
8:33 PM
^^ not entirely true
 
@fge Java tries to make everything Java
 
fge
Eh?
 
It's not the first reimplementation I see like that
If it exists, there's a reimplementation of it in Java somewhere :D
 
Coz java itself is Java
 
fge
Java is just a language which runs on the JVM, that's all
There are others
 
8:34 PM
@ItachiUchiha You don't see a reimplementation of Git in nodejs, or in PHP, or in python
 
What can I say, Crazy Java developers!
 
fge
As I said, jgit was created for licensing reasons
 
@ItachiUchiha I rest my case.
@fge What license is jgit under?
 
break the case when you're done with it
 
fge
BSD
And git is GPLv2
 
8:35 PM
Mmhm.
 
My head starts reeling when people start talking about licenses and stuffffff
 
If you're worrying about licensing
grabs on advertising suit
 
shoots @Unihedro multiple times
 
now his advertising suit has blood all over it
 
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Proposed Q&A site for questions regarding motivation, marketing, organisation and licences pertaining specifically to open source projects.

Currently in definition.

 
Found this for you guys ^
 
<--- probably knows whatever is there over there :P
@SecondRikudo hey it uses git commit -m
 
Indeed it does.
 
you liar!!! you said you hate it!!!
 
Rule #1
Madara lies.
 
fge
8:40 PM
The slides have the history of git wrong however
 
@SecondRikudo: What was the software that made the nyan cat at the end?
 
fge
It is NOT AT ALL to replace their patch-based work flow that git was developed
 
I wish to stare at one to fall asleep.
 
@Unihedro It was some sort of telnet
 
kk ddg'ing
 
8:41 PM
nyancat.dakko.us 23
@Unihedro ^
 
fge
But it was developed in a weekend indeed
 
awesome :D
 
Hey guys! My rectangle class is not working properly, the collideRect() method is supposed to make it so that two colliding rectangles just touch, but instead one rectangle gets stuck in another. pastie.org/9952225 is the code, any help is appreciated.
 
@SecondRikudo Can you please give edit privileges to @fge so that he can edit it and be at peace! :P
 
fge
The true story behind it is a reverse engineering done by Andrew Tridgell (of Samba fame) on bitkeeeper, which was what was used at the time
But this was illegal and bk's author was very angry
 
I'm going to sleep now.
 
Feel free to fork and PR
 
fge
Hence git was born
 
If anyone makes another session on git, please do record it in some way - I'm really interested, but can't attend unfortunately
 
@Unihedro I will make sure it is done! gn!
 
fge
8:45 PM
BitKeeper is a proprietary software software tool for distributed revision control (configuration management, SCM, etc.) of computer source code. BitKeeper is produced by BitMover Inc., a privately held company based in Campbell, California and owned by CEO Larry McVoy, who had previously designed TeamWare. BitKeeper uses history files that are based on delta tables and interleaved deltas from SCCS but uses an incompatible magic number (0x01 0x48 instead of 0x01 0x68) at the beginning.. == History == BitKeeper was first mentioned as a solution to some of the growing pains that Linux was having...
 
@fge you can now edit the page :)
 
fge
Oops
 
> It is strange to know that GIT itself is hosted on GIT
 
wait
waiiiitttt
mind begins to blow
 
Java 7 is compiled with Java 6
 
8:51 PM
NO
NOOOO
Mind almost blown
 
Pfft
 
mind blown
 
My dad thinks it's fun to tease my older brother with that
 
@CPlusPlusOrDie you're in troubled waters
 
8:54 PM
They do not have enuf rep to talk
 
Hao do I git enuf rep?
 
git pull jon-skeet for repz
 
hehe
Almost seems like he has all the reps
 
How can a guy design Linux and then GIT? He must be from some place else.
 
Sounds like he's Norwegian
 
9:04 PM
Finnish
 
@ItachiUchiha we can build our own OS from scratch
 
Torvald Isn't a very finnish name though :P
 
@Unihedro well, I am not very proficient in C
 
He belongs to the swedish speaking population of finland (though in general you can't rely on family names reflecting the language. mine sounds swedish but I'm native in finnish)
 
That makes sense since Torvald is a swedish/norwegian surname
So he's a fenno swede. Interesting
 
9:08 PM
It's Torvalds. Not that it changes the origin of the name
 
@kiheru Doesn't really matter; the name's still swedish/norwegian :P
But yeah
 
 
2 hours later…
fge
10:40 PM
yawn
 
Wow, 2h already?
 
10:52 PM
And I am awake again
Ate some more M&Ms, night!
 
Uni is really bad at sleeping... (Not pinging so that he doesn't get up again)
keeping my eyes on the chats
 
fge
@Gemtastic so, would you go for a collaboration for what we talked about earlier (a JSR 203 filesystem over git)? :p
 
@fge Well, sure
It's just that I'm really bad at coding :P
 
fge
After I'm done with the metadata stuff that I'm doing
Well, this means you can only improve, right? :)
 

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