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Morning
@PeeHaa morning
Good morning!
09:14
Hi all by the way.
@PeeHaa how are you ..?
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A: PHP XMLReader, get the version and encoding

hakreWhat I know from XMLReader even it has the XMLReader::XML_DECLARATION constant, I have never experienced it when traversing the document with XMLReader::read() in the XMLReader::$nodeType property. It looks like that it get's skipped and I also wondered why this is and I have not yet found an...

@Gordon yes I knew about it, just cleaning up that PHP-5.3 tag (yes I know, low hanging fruits for these ones, but now all are gone (but one which is locked)).
@NullPonyPointer Good good. How are you today?
I also always take care there is at least a -1 vote with bad questions.
@PeeHaa not bad .. just trying some cool stuff
@hakre every time you come with nice answer .... its cool already +1
09:19
good morning @PeeHaa as well :)
@hakre yey your magic(delete vote) vote give me many rep on meta :-)
Hi folks, quick question. Can anyone recommend a good PHP Events-Management System (pref. lightweight, open-source). Client needs to be able to organise events (duh) then customers to make bookings, needs to be able to take payments through it too. Have been contemplating using some e-commerce platform but the likes of Xcart that I'm familiar with are more geared to selling physical/tangible products rather than services. Most of the software I've found so far is sketchy at best - any ideas?
@NullPonyPointer very good. I'm always bad with meta karama, so hopefully it helps you :)
@Emissary I don't know any from memory, but you should do some search and create some list as well. I can imagine there are some.
Ye been searching for a few days on and off but not happy with anything out there. Most projects seem rather amateur. Boss is pushing for a quick solution too :( so figured I'd ask.
09:25
mornings
@DaveRandom morning :-)
@Emissary Well boss + quick + solution === expensive. open-source often means get your own hands dirty because somebody shared something and you could use it as well so you pick that something and fix/adopt/maintain/extend that something.
amateurish must not mean bad.
@NullPonyPointer What exactly is a Null Pony?
but specialized software most often is not available as a out-of-the-box-solution.
@DaveRandom I can't say, but what I know is, it is at least in pink color. ;)
5 hours ago, by Lusitanian
NullPonyPointer sounds like a tease --- Hey kids, here's a pony!!!! AWESOME, WHERE? Just kidding, it's NULL, DOESN'T EXIST AND I JUST CRASHED YOUR COMPUTER GAME. cries
09:26
@hakre that is the most important thing
@hakre I know, catch 22 but thanks for the reply anyway
@Emissary You probably could also think about who might need the same and then search in that area.
For example what I know is that there is a quite advanced system for organizing LAN-Parties from some years ago written in PHP.
ill have a look
(noob) question - what is the cv-pls tag?
close vote?
09:30
@Emissary meaning: gist.github.com/1689430 - yes, close-vote!
hints at the starred questions
i see, thx
@hakre moerning
@hakre People are answering these... :) By the way congratulations on your super powers ... Bending the matrix....
09:34
man your like a robot, refresh -> close vote -> refresh -> close vote :)
@Emissary may be that is the ... truth... :D
How can I open a new tab in firefox with javascript.
I tried with _blank
@ScoRpion... That should work
and other options but it still opens a new window
09:37
That's probably a clientside issue
Do i need to set something in firefox
@ScoRpion... probably
i mean any sort of settings firefox provide
probably
@PeeHaa Can u please check this one stackoverflow.com/questions/4907843/…
09:39
@ScoRpion... I don't think there is a way
moirng
@ScoRpion... You cannot control client side settings luckily
@Jimbo morning
Which is also exactly what the accepted answer states so there is not much to look at
@Jimbo mornign
@Emissary So how it decides if to open a new tab, or to open a new window
@ScoRpion... Is your Google broken?
^ duplicate via bounce-back of multi-site cross posting extravaganza.
I have not problem if you DV that question into oblivion
@ScoRpion... HTML5 Specification - tabs not an option.
@NullPonyPointer Name change? :o
@hakre Consider it officially reviewed
09:44
@Jimbo yes pony come between my name :P
@ScoRpion... I believe the thinking is, it's up to the user determine how their browser behaves via the context menu
@Jimbo FYI you don't need to post the link afterwards, the plugin automagically oneboxes it for everyone else ;-)
09:48
@DaveRandom Yeah, I wondered why hakre had this nice little box but I didn't x)
@Jimbo Yeh we don't onebox your own posts to minimise clutter on screen, although I have been meaning to add an option to do it for ages
I'm going to whore 150 rep today for an extra delv
just edit it you have more than 2k rep else edit with proper reason and link of meta question so that approve can take right decision and dont reject as too minor — NullPonyPointer 2 mins ago
@NullPonyPointer protip: use a full stop to separate sentences. makes it easier to understand what you are trying to say
damn i am just abusing stackvoerflow by my tab .... going to stop it now
10:01
@Emissary Actually I have added a context menu, and I want a new tab on the click
but when i click it opens a new window, if i keep _newtab or _blank, then it opens a small new window
Hmm... did anyone here do a CR consultancy or such?
@Ocramius cr ?
AFAIK, the is not sorted by date of closing time. Is that correct?
How can I check a duplicate question, to make sure my question isn't asked before when I want to ask a question?
10:20
@PhilipsTel if you attempt to solve your problem on your own... very likely you'll see that someone has asked the question before, if nobody has then you can ask.
@NullPonyPointer code review
But I have a problem with extending questions
I'm an advocate of using a Google query "site:stackoverflow.com" though
@Jimbo if you're interested, here's that Excel COM stuff I was talking about the other night. It has a pretty narrow use-case in terms of the environments in which is can be used, but it's definitely way better than PHPExcel for modifying existing workbooks. It has very limited functionality at the moment but it's pretty easy to expand if you can manage to read the MSDN docs without killing yourself.
closed questions get deleted?! :o
10:26
@iroegbu most of them not all
@DaveRandom Yeah man I'll take a look
@NullPonyPointer what's criteria?
is it random or date dependent
@iroegbu tl,narq,nc and many duplicate will gone
only some good duplicate will remain there however many -many other are also still there
@DaveRandom I was expecting to see some magic cracking within the unprotect() function ;)
@iroegbu Depends whether it adds any value to the site. If it has useful, well-presented, on-topic information on it it may well be left.
10:31
ok
The COM stuff is quite cool - you can code a macro in Excel to move the mouse, and basically execute it within PHP. If you do this on-the-fly, you can move the mouse using PHP ;)
@Jimbo Unprotect is really unreliable with passwords in <=2003 format files actually, it may just be pebkac on my part but for some reason I found that sometimes it fails on the first try but succeeds on a second attempt, even on the next line :-X
Seems to work fine in xlsx files though
@DaveRandom Can you just convert all the things to xlsx first?
@Jimbo I didn't mess around with conversions although there is stuff in the Excel APIs to do it. I guess you could but kind of the whole point of this was to avoid this PHPExcel issue where it converts it to an abstract data structure where you lose fidelity, and you also can have problems when trying to save back to an existing file, that would kind of make it a little pointless IMO.
Actually that's kind of an odd way of looking at it I guess
@DaveRandom Well, I like it. It's nice and simple, easy to understand, some sexy ord() stuff in there which I have no idea about..
10:39
yee .... repwhoring project on meta got succeeded
    switch (strlen($x)) {
        case 1: // 'A' becomes 1, 'B' becomes 2...
            return ord($x) - 64;

        case 2: // 'AA' becomes 27, 'AB' becomes 28...
            return ((ord($x[0]) - 64) * 26) + ord($x[1]) - 64;

        default:
            throw new \OutOfRangeException('Invalid cell coordinate');
    }
@Jimbo ^^
Basically take the ascii value (so A becomes 65) and subtract 64 to 1-index it
Ah, okay, pretty simple!
Yeh most of that kind of stuff is, same with binary stuff like pack()/unpack() - a lot of people seem to think it's a lot more complex than it actually is
I often find it helps to write things out when trying to understand base conversions
mathsisfun..? oh god
function main() {
$data = fetch_data();
if (!$data) die("Database Connection is buggered (Good luck debugging without a trace)");
10:48
ProTip: put Linux into your CV because some recruiters will think you dont know it if it's not mentioned explicitly, even if your profile is full of web projects and lists technologies that you wouldnt naturally run on Windows.
heh
I put sysadmin on my CV
GoT
GoT
@Hiroto really ? oO
@Hiroto i'd put Lizard King into my CV if I had any confidence in the HR depts knowing what it means.
I'm a sysadmin :V
GoT
GoT
10:50
@Hiroto lucky --'
@Gordon I highly doubt they'd ever know even if they googled
Lizard King may refer to: * "The Lizard King" (Spider-Man), an episode of the TV series Spider-Man * Lizard King Records, a New York- and London-based label * Jacksonville Lizard Kings, a defunct minor-league ice hockey team in Jacksonville, Florida, U.S. * The Lizard King, a name associated with the American musician Jim Morrison (1943–1971) * The Lizard King, a play about Jim Morrison, starring Stephen Nichols * Lizard King, Thomas Marion Douglas, a fictional character based on Jim Morrison in the anthology book series Wild Cards * Lizard king, in the role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons...
Take your pick :p
it's SUSE iirc
@NullPonyPointer LOL. "what's manual?"
@Jimbo delete the php manual too :P
10:56
@dragon112 the Jim Morrison would be correct.
> I am the Lizard King. I can do anything -oldielyrics.com/lyrics/the_doors/…
@Gordon Said recruiters are probably working on behalf of people I don't want to work for.
@DaveRandom well, it wasnt the recruiter in this case. it was someone at the company the recruiter way trying to get me in. purportedly someone tech-savvy. DAX30 company btw.
@DaveRandom it just annoys the f*ck out of me. I told the recruiter it sounds like Keyword Bingo. I mean, I have lots of projects in my CV and all they come back with is: "eeeeh, no Linux." SRSLY???
@Gordon Quite apart from the complete lack of common sense, why the hell does a PHP programmer need to know how to administer an OS anyway? That's a sysadmin's job.
I mean you want to know how to ls and grep and vi (yeh, that's right, vi) but that knowledge isn't even worth putting on a CV IMO
11:08
@DaveRandom yes. I told the recruiter that as well. He said the customer asked for Server Administration and Network Configuration. And I was like uuuh, make up your mind what role you want to fill.
@DaveRandom exactly. same for OS
@Gordon I had some great fun in the one and only PHP dev interview I have ever had re: networking actually. I had already decided I didn't want to work for the company because they seemed like a bunch of shady bastards and the "lead developer and sysadmin" (?) in the interview said something that was patently bollocks about MPLS (obviously it was a buzzword he picked up somewhere) and I explained to him in minute details why he was wrong. The MD wanted to hire me but this guy hated me.
@DaveRandom best start for coworking ;)
I have to admit though that I appreciate the recruiter giving me feedback at all. It's the first time it happened.
I have two CVs though, the one I would send for dev jobs has very little systems/networking experience on it because I don't want to get sucked into being a sysadmin if I go for a dev job. Which I am going to do again soon, I only applied for 3 last time before I took this sysadmin job which is now properly pissing me off.
Even though the only relevant question only came after I clarified that I know Linux, HTML, CSS and Apache
which was whether I know MongoDB, which I dont.
@Gordon Have you gone back and said "actually I'm not such a noob that I can't do whatever you need me to on linux" or just f*cked them off?
@Gordon I bet that whatever they want you to know you could figure out in about 2 hours of playing though...
11:15
@DaveRandom re Linux I asked the recruiter what they expect in Linux skills and server administration. He didnt know though
@DaveRandom yes, that's what I told him. I said I have no experience with MongoDb but I doubt it's rocket science
rm -rf /* is all the linux you need to know.
I was tempted to ask for the Joel Score
@Gordon It's not exactly complicated. I don't know or care how the engine works but I do know how the API works enough to wing it, after about 3-4 hours of playing
@DaveRandom right
Database engines are a seriously boring subject IMO
11:21
@DaveRandom Depends on the circumstances. At the moment I'm fairly happy whenever I can start optimizing database queries and fiddling around with the DBMS, because then I can stop looking at the awful code I have the questionable pleasure of maintaining. ;)
By the way guys...are there places on earth where actual software engineering is taking place? Or does being a software developer mean hell on earth no matter where you are? -.-
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@TillHelgeHelwig what is "actual software engineering"?
the more I read about software engineering the more i think the term is borked
@Gordon Applying all the theoretical stuff you learn at the university...and setting up proper projects where people write unit tests and generally do things properly.
@TillHelgeHelwig ok, let me assure you that nothing you learn in Comp Sci has any worth when developing real world applications ;)
So far all I have seen are severely messed up projects with old code that is unsalvageable but nobody has the balls to decide building a proper replacement.
@Gordon hi. Does using mysql_ functions give parse error?
11:27
@Gordon * real world applications
@Ihsan No, a syntax error gives a parse error
@Gordon education.10gen.com - Free course starting in April on MongoDB. It's interesting, fun, few hours of videos each week and homework each week. Worth it.
Line where the error is and a couple of lines before that please
@Ihsan no, fat fingers do
@Gordon ROTFL.... :D
11:28
@TillHelgeHelwig Oh no, I mean the engines themselves. I enjoy writing a good query.
@Gordon Yeah well...of course this theoretical stuff is way too removed from the real world. No doubt about it. But there are a lot of concepts that actually make sense... :-/
@DaveRandom Sometimes you need to know details about the DBMS in question to really get the performance you want. It's great when you finally figure it out but usually it goes along with a head->table sort of feeling. ;)
@Jimbo thanks
@TillHelgeHelwig $desk->apply($head);
@Gordon No worries, I just finished it with 74% :) Beat me! (Should be easy)
> 3.2760 software engineering: 1. the systematic application of scientific and technological knowledge, methods, and experience to the design, implementation, testing, and documentation of software. ISO/IEC 2382-1:1993, Information technology — Vocabulary — Part 1: Fundamental terms.01.04.07. 2. the application of a systematic, disciplined, quantifiable approach to the development, operation, and maintenance of software; that is, the application of engineering to software
@TillHelgeHelwig That's the official IEEE/ISO definition
which is the basis for computer.org/portal/web/swebok/home
which in turn contains a number of different approaches
not including agile development (yet)
I bet 5 bucks that this is not what you would consider software engineering when you talk about it :)
11:33
@TillHelgeHelwig I'm working on a project right now and I get to decide what I do for just about everything.
@Gordon Yeah well...my point was that there seems to be an endless supply of dumb messed-up applications out there and managers and companies are willing to pay ridiculous amounts of money to keep them running...while nobody is willing to free the budget to actualy do it right and have an easy to maintain replacement.
@dragon112 I can pretty much do whatever I want as well...except for throwing the codebase overboard and start anew...which would be the only sane approach. :-/
@Gordon The term "agile development" makes me want to punch myself and everyone in my immediate vicinity in the face.
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Q: Yahoo OAuth: Not Found on Accelerator

NezamI have been trying to get contacts via Yahoo OAUTH for over 4 hours now.. finally in the last stage.Have been following this very closely and am successfully getting the request token too.But when i fetch the following url: https://social.yahooapis.com/v1/user/(guid)/contacts along with the...

@DaveRandom Why? Isn't AGILE something a lot of companies look for when employing new devs?
Mostly because of the kind of dickheads that usually use the expression.
11:35
I think my company uses AGILE
posted on March 19, 2013 by Brandon Savage

Developers discuss and debate clean code all the time. They even debate what constitutes clean code. The discussion about clean code is as old as languages themselves; entire languages (I’m looking at you, Python) have been written around the philosophy of easily readable code. But why should you care about writing clean code? What does [...]

@Feeds See I warned you about INCOMING FEEDS
> Agile software development is a group of software development methods based on iterative and incremental development, where requirements and solutions evolve through collaboration between self-organizing, cross-functional teams. It promotes adaptive planning, evolutionary development and delivery, a time-boxed iterative approach, and encourages rapid and flexible response to change.
@DaveRandom ever since it has become a buzzword, yes
If that's not bollocks written by a salesman I don't know what is.
11:36
@Feeds flagged as spam
@DaveRandom It has become quite the management buzzword of late. While only very few really understand its meaning.
@TillHelgeHelwig If I tell my boss that's the best option and why he will allow me to.
> The purpose of writing clear and clean code is really about your pride in authorship.
@dragon112 Lucky you.
11:37
@PeeHaa i've commented below it already ;) exactly about that part
@Gordon The square with the "bang your head to the wall" is missing there...
@Gordon That's what I mean, the actual concept is quite a good one - in some ways, although some of it I'm not that happy with, it seems to promote a kind of rolling release-regardless-of-whether-you-have-done-something-useful schedule a la Mozilla, which I don't like. It's the management types that use that really grate against my soul.
@Ihsan that's because it's a high level overview
@TillHelgeHelwig Well my boss is an electrical engineer. He calculates on the 10 - 300 kV networks in the Netherlands and doesn't know much about programming. He values my opinion alot :)
11:40
@dragon112 How many developers are working with you?
@Gordon Oh! yes... sorry...
@DaveRandom good vs good enough
It's like people who use the term "MPLS Cloud". 99.9% of them have no idea what they are talking about, they just think it sounds cool.
@TillHelgeHelwig Right now i have 2 coworkers, a third is coming in the next month i think.
@TillHelgeHelwig Best results in development are obtained when you have a dictator with a whip and taser as a project manager .... :)
11:41
@DaveRandom I even just had to open wikipedia :P
@DaveRandom I am currently researching Agile for my thesis and it's really [sm]addening to read all the market-fads about Agile. Then again, a lot of what Agile proposes is not new. They just put a nice label on it.
@ircmaxell It's not about good code or otherwise, it's about whether you have added anything substantial functionally.
Why is this -1?
-1
A: PHP Random numbers

ircmaxellWhy not just check your exceptions: function getRand($min, $max) { $exceptions = array(44, 23); do { $rand = mt_rand($min, $max); } while (in_array($rand, $exceptions)); return $rand; } Note that this could result in an infinite loop if you provide a min and max that fo...

@ircmaxell Not enough jquery?
@ircmaxell is it?
11:43
@dragon112 Yeah well...there you have it. ;)
Actually, I need to update that answer. Mine is the only one that produces unbiased random numbers
which means mine is the only secure (for lack of a better term) answer there...
And it was my only -1 answer :-P
thanks!
@DaveRandom the only really novel idea of Agile is putting people in the centre and I am not convinced I will not find material suggesting this predating Agile. In fact, Cockburns Agile Software Development suggests Weinberg's Psychology of Computer Programming as a reference and that has a chapter on Programming as a Social Activity
@TillHelgeHelwig Well yea, I guess small companies are easier in those things than the bigger ones.
@PeeHaa I only understand about 25% of it (maybe less) and I actually used to do some ancillary work in maintaining an MPLS-heavy network. It's a really great concept but it's also incredibly complicated, and sort of the point of it is to make a lot of stuff happen transparently as if you are running over a more traditional semi-private network. The end user just doesn't need to know how the back end works, so I hate that service providers use it as a USP.
@TillHelgeHelwig The project im working on has code over 20 years old.
11:45
@dragon112 My problem with small companies is that there is a lack of people you can learn from.
@TillHelgeHelwig That is not the case for me. I go to the IT departments of all electric network companies with over 100 employees on a weekly basis.
@dragon112 But there you represent your company and can't ask stupid questions, can you? ;)
@TillHelgeHelwig I know those people pretty well and they have been working with us for over 20 years.
And there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers (or so the saying goes).
Well...you know what I mean, I think. :)
Yea, I do.
I'm in a unique position in which i have lots of people to learn from and work in a small company in which my opinion actually matters and get lots of fun projects. Pretty happy with my job right now.
11:51
I'm still fairly new to all this. I still got a lot to learn...even basic stuff. So I prefer having an experienced colleague I can ask when something goes wrong.
I didn't have one the last two years. I learned quite a lot anyway, but it was far more complicated than it needs to be.
And I don't get proper feedback this way. Which is crucial to learning.
That is very true. When I just graduated i did a traineeship at a big firm in the netherlands.
That was a really good learning experience.
Would recommend it to anyone graduating.
I was a trainee myself for 6 months.
It provided a good and smooth start into my carreer.
Unfortunately after the trainee phase I ended up in the project I'm currently stuck in...
You are not stuck, if it's really as bad as you make me believe it is you could just find yourself a new job.
Easier said than done.
But I will find a solution to this mess eventually
Well if you need counseling... hehe
12:10
@TillHelgeHelwig we all know the solution to this is Careers 2.0. wink wink
Can someone help me with the syntax? Print "<br><div class=\"newsarticles"\><p>News</p>" . $info['news_content'] . "<hr><br></div>";
@Hiroto That one hasn't been discovered by a lot of German companies so far.
ah :<
You're an EU citizen, join us in england :p
I'm thinking about it. Truly.
Still yearning for the chance to improve my English.
No chance for that while I'm working here.
Heck, I'd join a startup with SO people if it wasnt a hilariously bad idea in practise
gkoberger.github.com/stacksort <- arbitrary javascript pulled from SO and eval()'d? Sign me up!
12:16
"We must use Vangelis" should become a meme :)
i need to hurry up and upgrade my servers, but migrating 3TB of data is going to make me cry.
even if it's through a 1Gbps line
Oh a 1gbps line is pretty nice, would take like a day or something a little less i suppose.
I'm stuck with a 100 mbits line
@Hiroto Why does starting the transfer and doing something else make you cry?/.
i'll have to do it during a maintenance window on a sunday morning, and i have HDDs
disk usage :<
maybe take a look at plupload.com :p
12:28
huh
@tereško It's ok when one service is injected into other service, right? E.g. I need to check if userExists() inside my RemoteApiService, but $remoteApiService->userExists() would violate SRP. Thus, when building RemoteApiService I inject an instance of RecognitionService into it.
php variable size??? how much a variable store data??
SEMI-PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION
yeah sun :)
user652649
12:45
hello folks
hey @wes
user652649
hey @Jimbo :P
hey :)
user652649
it's a long time i don't join the chat... hows going on here? is @PeeHaa still annoying you with websockets?
user652649
:P
12:51
I'm waiting for websockets to get good
In fact we've chatted about them every other day on here recently lol
user652649
i don't really understand the point of websockets ... isn't a xmlhttprequest a socket request wrapper?
@wes :-D
heya
user652649
hey :P
@wes xhr pounds the server with separate requests
WS just work by some magic
what's the best way to make a chat?? whit a database or overwrite a file html??
what's more fast?
user652649
12:56
@PeeHaa so you have one single "connection" instead of multiple calls?
@wes yes
user652649
ok sounds interesting :P
Thats the idea of websockets
been playing with them for the last week aswell
user652649
@Kakitori websockets
@wes BTW the next sexy thing would be webrtc, but the implementation is waaaaaaaay less sexy :(
user652649
13:06
i don't know what it is, in the real world you have to use xmlhttp :( web is slowed down by older browsers... this will never change
@wes For business sure. For fun / personal stuff I don't care about crap browsers. All my latest projects are build on new stuff which IE doesn't support
user652649
i wonder a world where every browser is always updated to the latest version
user652649
our job would be a lot easier :(
@wes Just force everyone to use Chrome.
user652649
hey @DaveRandom how are you? ;) mayor sites should force to use newer browsers... facebook, google... with my 1k/day site i can't change the world, i will only loose customers
13:21
True as cake.
I have 3 sites (Multi-Domain). Say for example: site1.com,site2.com, site3.com. All 3 sites have alomst same directory structure. Now, when I have to redirect a subdirectory of one site (say site1.com) to any other site (say site2.com), the subdirectory of the third site (say site3.com) automatically gets redirected. Example: I have to redirect: site1.com/about -> site2.com/about-us

The problem faced is: site3.com/about -> site2.com/about-us and this redirection I dont want.

Please help. Thanks in Advance
Isn't it easyer to ask a real question on stackoverflow.com and when you don't get an answer there you can try here.
@DaveRandom: nah, force everyone to switch to Gopher and shut down your HTTP server ;)
@wes Develop a better site then :-P
@NiekBergman HTTP is a kind and gentle lover, I will defend her to the death!
@DaveRandom: Of course, for all websites I run I have: if ( !stristr( $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'lynx' ) ) { die('Get a real browser'); };
GoT
GoT
13:36
@NiekBergman I do that with MSIE 8-)
@GoT You only allow MSIE? D:
so if they dont use MSIE you kick them?
GoT
GoT
@NiekBergman without "!" :D
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Q: Why is "hash('md5', 'string')" faster than "md5('string')"?

PimOn http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.hash.php#73792 it states a test which shows that the md5() function is about 3 times slower than the equivalent hash() function. What can explain this difference? What does the md5() function do differently and / or more?

Good Afternoon everyone ...
@DaveRandom how is the youngest programmer ?
13:43
@Baba Not bad, I'm starting him on Lisp this afternoon. I expect he'll have mastered it by lunch tomorrow.
:-P
@DaveRandom heheheh ..... nice
@an1zhegorodov yes , it's actually the normal M.O.
@tereško thanks
outlook.com makes a lot of sense
someone has been thinking
13:55
Yea been using it for a couple of months now and it's pretty nice imo.
And you can finally use shortcuts <3
yes... clean. Just started using, been using outlook on my PC

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