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12:23 AM
@ln-s mongosh or the PHP driver is escaping?
 
12:49 AM
@Tiffany There should be a pre conference meetup, there was one last year which I went to
 
What day? Our flight is on Sunday
I need to make sure I get the times right cause there's the flight plus six hours difference...
6-8 hours...
How do timezones work
 
On the evening of the speaker's dinner normally
normally
 
Ooo, okay
Also we arrive Monday, February 13, at 09:40 London time
 
That's early lol
Into LHR?
 
Yup
 
12:54 AM
nice
I live about 40min away from it lol
 
We depart AUS on Sunday, at 18:35 Central Time (UTC-6 I think)
 
9h flight then
 
I am grateful that we'll have nicer seats that lay flat
Still one more step before I'm ready though: getting a letter of proof from my physician for my controlled-substance medications. I really don't want to go to a tech conference with the intention of learning stuff without my ADHD medication.
Received my passport last week \o/
@Girgias also, I'm coordinating with DaveRandom in an attempt of hanging out... but also to get him to bring you the stuff he never brought you a long time ago lol
 
Ah finally
My routers
 
😂
 
1:02 AM
It's been what 2 years lol
 
Something like that
 
 
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7:26 AM
I'm rather envious, I'd rather like to pop down for a day or two but especially over valentines day I'd expect bookings to be absolutely rammed.
Then again I guess £500 for hotel, 450 for tickets, and 100 for travel isn't completely unreasonable for 3 days
 
 
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8:38 AM
@cmb sure, do you have the short indentifier(s)?
@cmb although I doubt someone will stumble upon it. You can send them through email root@ if you prefer
 
8:59 AM
Nicolas and I've just opened the vote for the "Readonly amendments" RFC: wiki.php.net/rfc/readonly_amendments
 
 
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11:18 AM
@cmb Can we kick this terrible extension out of manual? php.net/manual/en/class.gender.php
 
cmb
@Dharman According to our general rules, only if it doesn't at least support PHP 7.0 (but it does apparently support all of PHP 7). I see the point, but in that case it should probably removed from PECL in the first place. Not sure what to do.
@Sjon Yeah, very unlikely, and I have forgotten the ID anyway. But thanks for offering help.
 
If "reddit made fun of it" was a reason for removal / deletion, there'd be no PHP
 
cmb
11:34 AM
Good point!
 
11:48 AM
If "reddit made fun of it" was a reason for removal / deletion, there'd be no X
FTFY
On a scale of idiocy, I'm not sure if Reddit ranks above or below Twitter
 
12:09 PM
I can look up the IDs if you want
 
cmb
@Dharman If it doesn't take long, why not. Can you email these to Sjon directly?
 
What's the address?
root@domain
I'll look it up after work
 
12:32 PM
@Dharman yes that's it, TIA
 
1:13 PM
Hey @cmb
 
cmb
hi
 
I seen your ping here: https://github.com/php/web-php/pull/749

I've met with Levi, over calls, in the christmas period, in terms of planning for php.net v3.0

Levi got in touch few weeks back to tell me he's not got capacity anymore, other things going on, preventing him to continue with me on php.net v3.0, and passing the baton to me, in his absence.

So just passing the message on, here, that he may not be responsive or around at all.

If this room isn't the best place for this type of message then I can email you privately with updates like this.
 
cmb
@PaulDragoonis Ah, okay, thanks! What do you think about this quick-change? I mean it might be a reasonable stop-gap measure while is going on on the general overhaul.
 
Morning
 
@cmb I'm replying to the github thread now. TLDR; all is well but I'm replying with a wider open-ended question to Javier.
 
cmb
1:21 PM
ta
 
@Dharman O_o
 
@cmb I know I'm working on stuff outside of mailing lists and GitHub (in particular of this planning phase), so I'm trying to do better at increasing the visibility of this stuff, to other maintainers like yourself. I know I can do better.

Maybe you want to pair with me on php.net v3.0, but that's a conversation off-topic to see if it's something you want to take on.

Would you like me to pop you an email, to have a sync on this topic?
 
cmb
@PaulDragoonis My time is very limited to work on the Website. I'm fine if you and other figure out the improvements. :)
 
@cmb
@cmb understood. If you're working on "core" then that's definitely a priority of your skillset, for sure :)
If you need me then you can find me on email, or twitter DM, on any topics. Cheers, and have a good day!

I'll see some of you at PHPUK in a few weeks time.

I think @Girgias are speaking at the SAME TIME, hehe.
 
1:48 PM
@cmb I replied to that github thread btw - github.com/php/web-php/pull/749
 
 
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2:50 PM
@MarkR it'll be fun!
 
@Tiffany Have you picked out which sessions you're going to?
I'm thinking if I can get time off I might just do the 2 days
 
3:19 PM
I'll probably pick sessions out when I'm on a plane or waiting in a terminal
 
How long does PHP exist?
 
I think it's bizar that a programming language exists this long and still is really popular
 
3:35 PM
C itself is from the 1970's and not going anywhere.
 
C has existed longer
It's still pretty popular
My phone was lagged 😅
 
user20780615
4:13 PM
hi guys
I have a contribution: https://github.com/arcanisgk/docker-lamp-stack
for those who are starting with docker and PHP ... XD ... is RC Version ...
 
phpmyadmin though :/
I'm very against phpmyadmin, but in a dev env, it might be fine
 
user20780615
the idea is not to love people who are in a very early stage of learning... at least who have the minimum to write code and see their database... I prefer this than: XAMPP or WAMPP or Virtual Machines heavy and slow...
 
user20780615
maybe someone will fork it and improve it
 
4:32 PM
what sets this above the PHP image that the docker community maintains?
I guess one difference is you've set up a directory structure that someone can work within, without having to figure it out themselves
 
user20780615
Honestly, I've tested it very little, but as far as I've tried to tinker with things and customize it... I've come up with crashes or points of no return... where I haven't achieved minimum objectives... but I'm still open to proposals/changes clearly well documented.
 
user20780615
"without having to figure it out themselves": yes ...
 
user20780615
the proposal is a version of xampp... made with docker so it is very probable that things will be added to it... like redist... etc
 
5:25 PM
@TimWolla / @cmb btw, I found a test internally (well, it's OSS, but not going to point it out) that caught this bug, but they didn't realize it was a bug and hence the test verifies the buggy behavior. It's also obfuscated in such a way that it's hard to realize what the behavior should be.
 
cmb
Interesting!
 
I think Tim's proposed test is better, so not suggesting pulling this test back, but was definitely interesting to say the least :)
 
5:51 PM
Does anyone know if with php-di there is an easy way to call a method while injecting dependencies into it? I am hoping to be able to call a method such as public function register(Foobar $foobar) {...} without knowing what arguments the method has but resolve the arguments from the php-di container as if the method were a constructor.
I know I can use reflection to get the arguments and instantiate them with the container one by one but I thought I remembered someone on here mentioning that php-di supported non-constructor method injection a while back
 
@ircmaxell Interesting. As cmb also appeared to be a little confused about what the right behavior is, I wonder if the documentation needs to improved somehow. If only by adding an additional example.
 
@TimWolla yeah, I think clarifying the "on error, one of 'X' or 'Y' will be returned" would absolutely make sense.
to be fair, looking at the test it's totally non-obvious what's going on, so I wouldn't even have caught it knowing what to look for (it took a test failure for me to see and go "DUH")
 
My ZNC is always idling in EFNet if you want to share with a private pastebin or so.
 
6:44 PM
@Danack as usual you're absolutely right, my apologies. I shouldn't start my thoughts and questions like that, thanks
 
7:22 PM
Morgens
 
Guten morgen
 
ohai @scorgn
 
7:47 PM
How goes it?
 
It... goes :-)
 
Congrats to you and Ekin on the trying to knot!
I've been absent for a while but was happy to see that coming back :)
 
8:22 PM
tying the knot * lmao I just realized how bad autocorrect messed that up
 
 
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9:42 PM
Thanks!
 
9:54 PM
At the risk of sounding a bit nagging... I had two bugfixes merged today, but there were no entries added to NEWS and I was wondering if they could be added 😅
 
whats up fellas
and ladies
 
10:13 PM
@nielsdos Which ones? I can add those. Or you send a PR and I merge.
Use [skip ci] in the commit message to not unneccessarily burn CPU time.
 
@TimWolla Thanks, I'll send a PR that is probably easiest :)
@TimWolla Thank you
 
You're welcome. Perhaps directly include the NEWS entry within your future PRs and let the reviewer deal with the merge conflicts :-)
 
@TimWolla Alright, I'll take that into account :)
 
@TimWolla In theory the NEWS file is meant to be updated by the merged and not included in the PR, but yeah
 
10:32 PM
@Girgias Yeah, that would be the ideal case, but better including it than completely forgetting it or needing to check.
And Niels appears to be sufficiently experienced to write appropriate entries.
The PRs certainly are in areas I wouldn't dare to touch :-p
 

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