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cmb
11:00 PM
ah, I see, but still, it would not be impossible to implement xpath (or something like it) yourself
 
@cmb sure, but at the end of the day it's a data-structure and why do you want to re-invent it in user-space, when its already there.
 
cmb
because its detailed semantics are hard to grasp, and its implementation even less
 
@cmb you mean for SimpleXML? I think it is well documented early on, including for which semantics and what it does not fit in the libxml project.
I can't say for the internals in PHP as I do - if at all - only read the sources and don't tinker with it.
 
@DaveRandom how drunk are you?
 
not particularly but very tired
 
cmb
11:11 PM
@hakre it is not documented, to my knowledge, how SimpleXML handles some of the more "esoteric" XML nodes, like processing instructions, comments etc.; it is not even documented how mixed content is handled (text nodes are just ignored).
 
like 5 beers over 5 hours, that's fine isn't it?
 
ughhhhhh problems of switching from whatsapp to signal: I'm not sure if I retained copies of all the notes you explained setting up bridged mode in virtualbox :(
 
I am not even sure any more, I think that's OK tho
 
@cmb yes, it might be undocumented, however from what I remember from the libxml project docs, it explicitly tells that it does not want to deal with those (is not for them). When in doubt, use DOMDocument for these.
 
not every night obv, and I do drink too much+too often, fully acknowledge that
 
11:13 PM
my LAN has changed and apparently the IP or something for my php-docs box has changed, and so I can't ssh into it... probably going to have go into a google dive to figure it out
 
what is you "php docs box"?
a vm? virtualbox?
 
a virtualbox VM using bridged mode
I need to see if I retained whatsapp chat logs so I can just search that for setting up bridged mode...
 
k you might be better with a NAT'd network since you aren't exposing it to the internet or trying to run a media server
I forget what virtualbox calls it
 
NAT Network?
 
that means the internal network always has the same IP
however, you could also just create some DHCP reservations
(static IPs are more trouble than they are worth)
 
11:15 PM
or re-create the bridge if the host ethernet/IP address changed?
 
if you go into your router there should be a way to just associate a MAC to an IP so they never change
 
a long time ago you told me to stick with bridged mode, something about ports and port forwarding being bad security wise
 
I stand by that
 
and apparently the backed up chat log only goes back a month ... that fucking blows, but more of an issue: I didn't document how to do it outside from whatsapp :|
 
bridged mode is always easier in general because anything else implies NAT, unless you are putting routes into your gateway
and double NAT always ends badly when you are talking to the internet
in this case though, you aren't
DHCP reservations -> static IPs -> double NAT in order of pref for your current problem
but static could be problematic if you don't have control of DHCP
 
11:19 PM
I dunno if I do... I'm on the same ISP that I used to be, but it's my own network now, and I give less of a fuck about my LAN than my friend upstairs
he had/has a static IP, I believe
 
that's WAN side tho
hit me up tomorrow and I will remote on and fix your shit in like 2 mins if you want :-P
 
cmb
@hakre SimpleXML is a PHP layer over libxml's tree module. There's nothing in libxml which disallows to deal with any kind of nodes. PHP's DOM also just uses the tree module.
 
my ISP is strange
It gave me a static IP for free but if I want to setup a reverse DNS record I have to change plan
 
@DaveRandom lol, k
 
Brb, copying the entire docs into wiki format because it's easier than figuring out how to edit them in xml
 
11:21 PM
@DaveRandom can you explain how to set up bridged mode again at some point, so I can write it down and save it to onedrive?
 
I would pay 20€ more just to get a rDNS record lol
 
@MarkR you're weird
 
@Tiffany yes, but also tbh I would rather just keep helping you bang your head into the wall of IPv4 until it isn't a wall any more
i.e. yes, but I will also make you understand it... fair warning
 
@cmb I might be wrong on what I remember on the libxml website docs, can't fetch it right now at least. DOM has access to many more nodes thought than SimpleXML (which is well, simple).
 
@Tiffany Show me how to create a real time view of docs without needing to rebuild the entire thing and i'll consider not doing it :P
 
11:24 PM
@MarkR rebuilding is easy...
argh, let me set up a new box
 
@yessure this is reasonable
end-user static IPs are still kinda fluid, in the sense that they don't tend to have significant longevity, people will just move house and drop them etc
hosting ptr records is basically being the SOA for every individual address as a separate domain in terms of traffic, and it's way more efficient to just pump this through one box that responds with the same thing to every query
so there actually is a real-world cost to the ISP to provide you with a meaningful PTR record
only like a few pennies, but it's not free and they are not a charity :-P
 
@DaveRandom Wow I didn't know that
 
also btw IPv4 exhaustion is an actual problem and dynamic DNS is really good these days... think before you burn an IP :-)
 
I thought they were charging only the effort to put the record there, i didn't know it had impact on the traffic
 
@yessure I will admit they are probably charging you lot more than it is costing them, but it is a legitimate "premium service"
and at the end of the day they are in business to make money, what matters is whether their service is worth the money...
unfortunately you don't really know that until something goes wrong, which hopefully it never will
 
11:40 PM
yeah, sadly it would cost 20€ more because rDNS are available only for small companies plans
I would also have an extra ip and an extra line I wouldn't need
 
i suspect you would get more than just that tho
you wiull probably have a higher qos priority at the central switch, i.e. "lower contention"
 
a 1gbps line
 
at least, that used to be a big part of the difference with "business"
@yessure holy fuck
I mean everything I just said is irrelevant if you have 1Gb at home
 
@DaveRandom isn't it quite spread in large cities?
 
unless you run 10Gb at home, which you would have to be a prick to do, honestly, then 1Gbps means the bottleneck is your hardware
businesses don't need 1Gbps
like it's cool that you have it an more power to you, but I will not accept any network related complaints from you :-P
unless you got interesting LAN weird problems then I am there front and centre
surely no-one is running 10Gb into their PC?
I made a sweeping statement there but I kinda stand by it :-P
if you are: please justify why
 
11:47 PM
a 10Gb network card? lol
My pc uses more network than my server
xD
 
10Gb realistically needs a serious fibre backbone, it's I have a 10Gb link for a backbone between my switches, where I do tip it to like 2Gb sometimes but it's till massive overkill
 
@DaveRandom at work we are, giant backup servers with 160 TB worth of disks (not that giant, but eih)
 
I got a few customer servers with 10Gb nics and they are basically just a moulded sfp at both ends with industrial fibre between them
@bwoebi yeh but that's a server, 10Gbps is realistic throughput
 
the bottleneck though is the connection from the switch to the backbone … 40 gbit/s only
 
yeh that's hard to overcome
at that point even hardcore stacks aren't gonna help much, you are pushing physics :-P
cisco reckon their stacking protocol can do 100Gbps but I don't buy it, never had a use case to test it
 
11:58 PM
@Crell A few tests added with the exact examples were presented on the mail list: github.com/php/php-src/pull/6246/commits/….
 
I have seen it do about 34
also ftr I detest cisco and everything they stand for
 
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