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15:00
@ircmaxell right, but it needs to access this. And the generated opcodes are ZEND_SEND_VAL_EX for that case
which is accessed via EX(call)->func
and that func needs to be a full-fledged zend_function containing a pointer to that arginfo
which should be the function it will actually call (the dynamic call is realized first)
@ircmaxell that's wok, but the position of the arg is hardcoded to the ZEND_SEND_VAL_EX
@bwoebi correct, but it doesn't need to be a specialized zend_function for each partial. It can be a single method (__invoke) on the PartialClosure class
which then contains a mapping (from the compiler) of which invoke() arg position matches the underlying (wrapped) position and is able to translate
@ircmaxell so you want to change ZEND_SEND_VAL_EX to check for whether a mapping is there and then use this instead?
no
I'm suggesting when you call a partial, you use the normal DO_FCALL handler
but instead of calling the partial directly, you call invoke on the PartialClosure object
15:04
@ircmaxell sure, but you do need to know whether it needs to be by ref or by val when doing the ZEND_SEND_*, before the fcall
you cannot defer that decision until the actual invoke handler
that's fair
but create an internal anonymous class with a method definition of invoke with the proper arg info?
@ircmaxell basically that's what needed - just at runtime, because arginfo is only known at runtime here...
correct
but you don't need to make an op_array for that
that's my point, you can do all of that with normal class and object refcounting
you said method definition of invoke, so that needs to be a zend_function
@ircmaxell naaah. when we create classes at runtime, we need to free them as well. (otherwise we leak them)
right, but the class is bound 1:1 to the object. so when the object goes out of scope you can destroy the class
15:09
@ircmaxell true, except that this isn't safe - we might pass that class to reflection - and reflection assumes classes will persist until script end
and there are many more such cases making assumptions about function/class lifetimes
hence non-trivial and creating classes at runtime has also quite some overhead I guess.
@PeeHee ^^
Fair enough
@ircmaxell On the surface it looks pretty simple, I agree...
@JoeWatkins :-)
15:27
pcov support was assigned to someone at phpstorm ... dunno what that means ...
references complicate everything
@JoeWatkins @NikiC will pick it up once phpotlin is finished
E_UNNKNOWN_WORD_HEAD_EXPLODED_TRY_AGAIN
thats a thing I see near java, why are you trying to make me look at java, what did I ever do to you ?
15:42
Java is great and doe... NULLPOINTEREXCEPTION
@JoeWatkins mind if I edit the voting margins RFC?
no of course not
What is going on with code completion / suggesstions in php IDE's and Laravel? Why does it need tools like github.com/barryvdh/laravel-ide-helper to work?? I dont understand
Because laravel is based on magic
@Mercious shitty code needs all the help it can get
15:44
> Because laravel is based on magic
And not that good magic, more of that - ha, ha, foolish mortal - I AM FREE magic.
@PeeHaa phpotlin? tell me more :o
lol
posted on February 06, 2019 by amphp

- Fixed incorrect dependency that was only being loaded in dev mode. - Fixed port being added to host header if the port is non-standard (e.g., not 80/443).

So whatever ... code/classes are downloaded by the composer dependency for the laravel framework doesn't actually end up having the methods/classes you can actually use?
In part no. They are resolved by magic (either magical facades or magic __call mthods)
15:47
No - it's just that what is happening behind the scenes in Laravel is magic, and the IDE can't understand it without help.
@PeeHaa And on top of that it's all dynamic
And that's just scratching the surface
So if I see shit like this: Schema::defaultStringLength(191), then I check the Schema-class, I can see it doesnt actually provide any method called defaultStringLength. And that is where Laravel magic somehow still resolves it at run time or what? But the IDE obviously doesnt know that?
Yes that is part of it
@Mercious have you thought about using Slim or Symfony instead?
@Danack I read that in the same voice as "Have you tried using an XML parser instead?"
15:53
:-)
@Danack Lmao, is the framework actually that bad? :D Sadly I have no choice, project is already existing and built on laravel
!!dad chicken tender / What do you call a person whose job is to take care of chickens? / A chicken tender
Void walks into a cave, doesn't return
:(
!!dad add chicken-tender / What do you call a person whose job is to take care of chickens? / A chicken tender
@MadaraUchiha Sorry, I don't get that joke, I need name / setup / punchline
Chat throttling?
Unlikely, it's a different message
doesn't like the hyphen?
Maybe the dash confuses it?
Still throttles them if fast enough
15:58
!!dad add chickentender / What do you call a person whose job is to take care of chickens? / A chicken tender
@MadaraUchiha Ha ha ha! Brilliant! I'll save that one about chickentender for later!
\o/
i don't know how i feel about this at all
15:58
you still feel?
@Mercious you can probably get used to it. The problem (apparently) more than anything else is that it invites shitty code practices, and makes writing shit code be a lot easier than writing decent code.
SIGSEGV with FPM on php_module_shutdown – #77577
If you know what you are doing, and can avoid writing shit code, you can almost certainly write a reasonable application with it.
@shadowhand Yey Phava!
speaking of slim and symfony... i have been going back and forth on writing my next app using slim or api-platform... anyone been using api-platform and have feelings about it either way?
16:00
The real problem (and the reason why we're shitting on it), is that a lot of Laravel users do not understand why some of the shortcuts Laravel takes are bad shortcuts, and so there are lots of (dumb) conversations around where they try to promote Laravel as a great framework to use.
I farted in an elevator the other day It was wrong on so many levels
@Danack I've had a similar conversation with a junior at work the other day
And I kinda-sorta realized that those mistakes are things that have to bite you before you understand why they're bad
"But I have it globally available, I don't need to worry about weaving it through my functions and components and classes! It's so nice!"
@Paul i absolutely love this idea
the past 5 minutes have been a real rollercoaster for you
16:03
@Paul What do you do with placeholders in place where there are no parameters?
such is my life @Paul
function foo($x) {}

$bar = foo(52, ?);
What's the expected outcome?
i would expect an error, personally
But this is PHP.
16:05
Ah, missed that one 👍
silently allowing more arguments is 👎🏼for me, but it is consistent with how php handles internal functions
so i guess consistency wins, sadly
Like I said earlier, I would expect PHP to push for functions as first class citizens before partial application
posted on February 06, 2019 by CommitStrip

But given the current state of PHP, I like PHP with this proposal implement more than I do PHP without.
@Paul so, func_get_args() would not receive it?
That's weird
16:11
there's nothing to receive
@Paul That's not consistent with how PHP works though
how so? it gets all the args that actually end up getting passed - either during partial application or when called
a placeholder isn't an arg
@Paul in PHP every arg is passed, just not every arg is actually assigned to a variable
(That's why func_get_args() works at all)
16:14
1 min ago, by Paul
a placeholder isn't an arg
@Paul eih, why not?
seems counterintuitive to me
@NikiC lgtm
@bwoebi a placeholder does two things: 1. says hey, this is partial application; 2. fills a positional spot in a parameter list so args can be fixed beyond it.. it's easy to get hung up on placeholders, but the premise is basically to stamp out a copy of a function sans parameters whose arguments have already been given
@Paul okay, but what I'd expect is bar(?, 1, ?) to be equivalent to function ($a, ...$args) { bar($a, 1, ...$args); }
(ignoring references for the example)
@Paul i.e. every trailing arg should be just forwarded
it is.. that's in the rfc
16:23
oh it is
just that section isn't
okay that was confusing me
uh, nice
Your RFC allows to use the default value of an optional parameter
by writing foo(?, 1)(), it would call foo with the optional value of the first param if I read that correctly
yep
awesome
just needs someone to implement it :-D
if only we knew somebody
btw sorry about that confusion, I wanted to keep each example as simple as possible to focus on just the one point.. there are too many kinda hairy things to repeat everywhere, though I should make a better attempt at it
@Paul yeah, totally understandable, but it's going to confuse when it's written another way (for me the whole section is redundant as PHP anyway allways forwarding more parameters than the function has
being both succinct and accurate when talking php is hard
@bwoebi yeah, that's why I put the Extra Arguments section covering that first, so the rest builds on it and reinforces those implications
16:31
haha
what I need to do is not allow links directly to individual sections :p
@NikiC did you see the email from Christoph Ziegenberg?
Morning.
o/
Moin @LeviMorrison
or Moi I think they say here in Finland
16:46
@NikiC btw. I don't get what Zeevs point with naming discussions etc. is. Either it's a new thing, then its a secondary simple majority vote; or it's a change from something which is a natural progression (e.g. after PHP 5 there would be PHP 6 - and the RFC then would be to skip to PHP 7). I can't think of any instance where it couldn't be worded as a binary keep the natural progression or status quo - or do something else - and that something else would be obviously 2/3 majority.
@Kalle I see it, but I didn't click on it yet ^^
I removed the bit about all merges ...
similarly packaging discussions ... either we do what our process prescribes - or we do something else, which is also 2/3
@JoeWatkins There's one non-nice thing here, that I didn't really think about before: "In the unlikely case that there is not a single option with most votes, the question will have to be resolved through some other way."
Proposals to merge code into php-src -> ??
16:49
I think it might be better to just say that if multiple options have the most number of votes, it's left at the discretion of the RFC author to make a choice.
@NikiC roger, basically it was one of the additions to the RFC from neither you and me, so I haven't fully read the RFC section yet but we should move it forward soon I think
@NikiC the primary vote should always be binary, if in doubt create two binary votes
yeah that's not as clearcut as I'd like
can you just omit that, has that ever been a problem before ?
It's always voting against preserving status quo
@bwoebi i think what zeev refers to is not a "Yes" / "No" question w.r.t code being included or changed. so a should we do something question vs a how we should do it
16:50
@bwoebi It's not a problem for the primary vote, because super majority is unambiguous
@NikiC yeah that
The problem is that for secondary votes you can end up in a situation that both options get exactly the same number of votes, even if it's binary
not sure if there is a way to categorize voting questoins that would help with the decision for >50%
And for secondary votes there is not necessarily any "status quo" that you can default to
@NikiC in that case obviously implement the RFC author or implementers preference
so yeah
like you said
16:51
the wddx rfc is a good example of secondary vote: wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate-and-remove-ext-wddx
it has 4 optoins
ok, i'll change it to that
@rtheunissen It honestly looks like Kotlin has various data structures which can convert to sequences via iterators, and sequences are the structures that do all the lazy stuff.
That is correct @LeviMorrison, and I'd be happy with that idea.
I don't know what happens when you modify a structure that was converted to sequence though.
Some kind of immutability constraint somewhere.
For PHP I think ensuring that the sequence is not invalidated (by using copy-on-write) would be fine.
17:05
> This means that the number of Yes votes multiplied by two must be greater than or equal to the number of No votes.
@NikiC Do you mean divided by two?
@TheodoreBrown uh crap
But how.. it seems harder than I thought for objects.
@rtheunissen Which objects?
> This means that the number of Yes votes must be greater than or equal to the number of No votes multiplied by two.
This is what I meant
@LeviMorrison copy on write on the container/iterator. Sequence of a map's keys, then modify the map, would have to copy on write the map. Right?
17:08
Oh easy - just use arrays to implement everything under the hood. It Just Works.
@NikiC I agree with your reply
Proposal: PHP needs a keyword SERIOUSLY that overrides FINAL. For when you just need to add that one thing.
@Wes you'll like that one ...
I think requiring that all structures be array based for the sake of lazy sequences is a misstep.
I don't necessarily mean a PHP array.
Just something which exhibits all of the same copy-on-write behvaior, and has contiguous memory.
Dictionary and Vector can definitely be implemented this way, and I don't think Deque would have issues but I haven't written such a thing yet.
But if Vector is written that way, then you can use the Vector (or the same internals) to implement Stack, and if Deque works then there's your Queue.
Sets are just a special case of Dictionary (or depending on implementation, Dictionary is just a special case of Set).
That's most of the useful, common structures right there.
If we can somehow copy the container on write, we can do whatever we want. We could require that all writes return a container. Mutable will return itself, immutable a copy (or self if recount is 1 maybe?)
17:13
Personally I don't care that much about mutability/immutability if we take this approach.
But how do you technically do the copy on write?
The reason is simple: if I give you a Vector and I don't want any changes that you make to affect me, then I just give you a refcounted copy.
@rtheunissen The same way arrays do it? I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.
Do you know of any languages that aren't functional first/only that have partial application?
user7659542
Hello my website is done, but I am having some difficulties with the DNS records. I want to redirect www.mySite.com to mySite.com
user7659542
But don't understand how to do that
17:15
@LeviMorrison a refcounted copy of the zval and the internal buffers etc? Effectively a clone?
@NikiC do you think people would be happier if "Proposals to merge code into php-src" said "proposals to merge features into php-src" ? dmitry seems to be worried that he won't be able to make optimizations commits, and this isn't about that at all ... if we had simpler rules for other parts of the process as we tried to suggest, then I'd like much more to go through rfc, but with this we're not trying to change what requires an rfc, right ?
user7659542
This is what I currently have as setup:
user7659542
user7659542
IBased on the info I found online I need to add a CNAME record, but I don't understand what exactly I need to fill iun
@traducerad dns is unrelated to dns
17:16
class Vector {
  private $data = [];
  function getIterator() {
    $copy = $data; // invoke the copy part of copy-on-write
    yield from $copy;
  }
}
dns is just name to ip mapping
I'm new to copy on write / separation so just trying to learn how this would work on a technical level, and what the cost of it might be. Making a copy for every write is wasteful. But I guess you'd only do it once for every separation.
user7659542
Yep I get that, but you can't do that with objects. Unless you clone.
user7659542
This is the form I need to fill in to create the dns record
17:17
@JoeWatkins I think I would phrase this as just "Proposals to make changes to PHP"
ok do that
Also you'd copy on write, not when creating the iterator, right?
@rtheunissen I think you are missing the part that it doesn't matter if the object itself or its internals is copy-on-write; the effect will be the same.
@PeeHaa dns is unrelated to redirects @traducerad
user7659542
@PeeHaa Hmmm, I think you are wrong. This type of redirection has deffinitely to do with DNS records. Why do you think so?
17:18
Because I am right
@rtheunissen All that assignment does is increase the refcount. It doesn't actually make a copy.
Redirects are something the server handles
user7659542
@PeeHaa Is this a joke?
No it is not
user7659542
@PeeHaa yes, the DNS server
17:19
If you do something which alters the structure, then you do a refcount check, and if you don't have total ownership then you make a copy, and apply the change (or maybe smartly make the change while making a copy).
@jjok here are some languages that have it, how "functional" each is is debatable
@traducerad No not the dns server
user7659542
@PeeHaa How would you suggest me to solve this issue?
Set up the redirect on your webserver
user7659542
I want my website to be unaccessible via http, only https
user7659542
17:19
@PeeHaa How?
yes
oh are you done editing, it said it was locked but not anymore ?
!!docs header
[ header() ] Send a raw HTTP header
Or search google for your webserver config
17:20
doc translators need vcs ?
user7659542
brb in 25 minutes
I thought there was a thing for that
@Paul Thanks. I'm into your proposal.
@LeviMorrison for something like map::put, do you replace the zval of the map on write?
(When there is a void return)
@rtheunissen No, the zval is fine. The object's internals have a different refcount from the object itself.
Just like they would here.
Also, I don't think the structure should be called "map". There is an "algorithm" and a "data structure" with that name, so I'd rather we used "Dictionary" or "HashTable" or something to differentiate.
user7659542
17:30
@PeeHaa, i m on mobile right now. The issue i am currently facing is that www.mysite.com is leads to main.html and https:// www . mysite.com to main.html as well.
user7659542
Is ot possible on PHP to redirect to the https version when trying to access via http? This really feels like a dirty hack...
@traducerad how about just waiting until you are at a real computer and googling your problem.
@traducerad use HSTS
> The name "currying", coined by Christopher Strachey in 1967, is a reference to logician Haskell Curry. The alternative name "Schönfinkelisation" has been proposed as a reference to Moses Schönfinkel.
@traducerad Yes I already explained to you how
I suggest to digest what has been said for a moment and figure out how to doit
17:34
@Tiffany given how likely someone is to screw up doing this the first time, HSTS might not be appropriate....
user7659542
@PeeHaa ok thx :), wanted to make sure we were on the same wavelength
@Danack HSTS is easier, in my opinion, just set an HTTP header for a long expiration time... and make sure there's no mixed content in your site... probably do that before adding HSTS
@Tiffany You need a redirect any way to do that
I'm more of a rogue wave myself.
@PeeHaa even so, it keeps a client's web browser from even attempting to load a page over HTTP
17:36
Sigh... hungry but I don't know what I want to eat today.
@Tiffany Yes, but it needs the first hit
Otherwise the header will never be set
true
There is preloading, but I would not recommend OP to do that just yet
@StatikStasis I need ot get lunch, we had a delayed opening because of icy roads, I have to leave in a little bit
We had -6 degree weather last week. This week we have 21 Celsius. Big jump.
17:52
@LeviMorrison I struggle I get my head around this. You have an internal vector (for example's sake) which has a zval* allocated internally, attached to the "object". When you copy, surely you would have to also clone that buffer?
Doing this at the zval level only.. I don't quite get that.
typedef struct {
  zend_refcounted_h gc;
  zend_long len;
  zval *data;
} _contiguous_storage;

typedef struct {
  _contiguous_storage *data;
  zend_object std;
} _vector;
Also.. agreed on the map name. If we go with Dictionary for the interface, would you still call the hashtable implementation hashmap or hashtable?
Dunno which, but something like that, yes. Does the struct layout help you understand what I'm saying?
I feel like it just defers the inevitable. There is an iterator operating on some contiguous storage, which you then write to, so unless you copy the storage, the iterator will still point to the now updated storage. Unless the iterator does not operate on the storage itself but through the object? I don't see how that solves it either though. I think a storage copy is inevitable. But I would love to learn otherwise.
Why would one need to differentiate between an uninitialized property and a null property? Are they not both effectively null?
18:08
49 mins ago, by Levi Morrison
If you do something which alters the structure, then you do a refcount check, and if you don't have total ownership then you make a copy, and apply the change (or maybe smartly make the change while making a copy).
If you have total ownership of _contiguous_storage you just make the change.
If you don't (refcount > 1) then you make a copy (which you'll have sole ownership of), then apply the change.
The iterator's storage is unaffected.
> you make a copy, and apply the change
By that, I'm saying you copy the contiguous storage also.
I don't see the point of counting the storage separately. :/
So it can be iterated over without being invalidated.
Or, you can pass a lazy copy on an interface boundary, and if they don't make any changes then the copy is never made.
18:23
    $v = vector(1, 2, 3);
    $s = $v->map(cb); // return sequence based on $v as iterator, $v refcount is now 2

    $v[0] = 'x'; // copy $v, but not its storage?

    foreach ($s as $key => $val) {
        // This iterates $v, passing through the callback.
        // That previous write on $v should not be seen here.
        // So unless we clone the contiguous storage... how else can this work?
    }
Or are we copying at the ->map call?
If we copy at the map call (if refcount > 1 otherwise no copy), then the sequence is based on the copy. That makes more sense because the direct write to $v doesn't matter because $v's refcount will always be 1 after a copy.
The map doesn't actually keep the vector, it probably uses an iterator, which works on a refcounted _contiguous_storage, not the refcounted _vector.
When you change the vector with $v[0] = 'x'; then the vector will make a copy of the _continguous_storage since it the refcount of its storage is > 1, and then change the copy.
@Trowski I'm guessing so that you can tell if something else has already set it to null, and so the magic orm system that is continuing to hydrate it, can tell if some other part of the magic orm system has already set it to null, or if it can be set to something else.....
maybe you should ask? I'm not going to though....
@LeviMorrison so you swap out the vector's storage, not the vector itself?
@Danack Maybe… but everything now is null anyway, so… whatever, I'm not going to ask either, that rabbit hole looks awful deep.
@LeviMorrison do you know if we have to use zend_refcounted_h? Could just use a uint, right?
I do not know the difference between all of those things.
zend_refcounted used to just be an unsigned int, but it isn't anymore.
19:04
There's a uint32_t type_info.. not sure what that is for.
@NikiC What's the type_info in refcounted for?
Is this how typed references work or something?
YESSSSSS!!! youtube.com/watch?v=8ZlP8Kiotfs Officially hyped!!
Live-action- not animated... if it can repair the damage done to my mind of that abominable attempt at the film which doesn't exist, I'm still hyped.
@StatikStasis Meme
19:16
... we don't provide a libphp.so for using PHP as a library?
Or is that hidden behind some option I need to enable?
@Allenph HAHA!
@LeviMorrison wouldn't that be a SAPI?
embed SAPI, maybe?
@StatikStasis this made me aware of Dragon King. I know what I'm going to be watching on Netflix next.
posted on February 06, 2019 by kelunik

- Reset nonces after a nonce error (#33)

19:28
@Tiffany The Dragon Prince?
@StatikStasis yeah that
I haven't watched it. I did not know it was influenced by it. I will have to check that out.
the plot looks engaging
@LeviMorrison seems related to these?
/cc @rtheunissen
@ircmaxell Our architecture is all goofy. I would expect the php binaries to use the libphp.so, and that extensions would also use libphp.so.
19:38
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19:43
@LeviMorrison type, flags and gc root
I put together some notes about ideas that have been raised on PHP internals multiple times: https://github.com/Danack/RfcCodex including briefer closure syntax, Class scoping improvements, Consistent callables, Enums, Generics, Method overloading, Standardise core library.
Probably even I will forget that this exists when one of those is raised again on internals....but it exists.
decided not to include annotations?
...decide is such a strong word.
that's fair
In other news, I just yawned and stretched at the same time, which is apparently too much physical exercise, and pulled a pectoral muscle.
19:52
sounds like you've earned a nap to recover
your Enums link goes to consistent callables
thanks, fixed.
@NikiC ignoring certain people doesn't work, I still have to read what they have to say when people reply, it's at least 60% as annoying as just getting the email directly ...
@JoeWatkins how do you ignore them?
I blocked them, but their words are still in my inbox, all up in my face ...
:)
@Danack someone asked me about arrayof yesterday, that happens a lot, no good implementation of that, and it sort of goes hand in hand with generics ...
annotations should be on the list, although declined once at least that I remember, people are working on it now
problem there is it will tend to get a lot of votes, but no group of voters agree enough to get an implementation in because there are so many ways it could be done
yeah, not surprising ...
I actually thought the last one was going to pass - can anyone share some insight into why they think it was rejected? this one - wiki.php.net/rfc/attributes
@Tiffany thanks, fixed.
function TranslateDrupalAttribute($value) {
  if ($value instanceof \ast\Node) {
    if ($value->kind == 264 && count($value->children) == 1) { // '@'
      $a = $value->children[0];
      if (is_string($a) && class_exists($a)) {
        $value = new $a;
      } else if ($a instanceof \ast\Node &&
                 $a->kind == 515 && // NAME(ARGS)
                 count($a->children) == 2 &&
                 is_string($a->children[0]) &&
                 class_exists($a->children[0]) &&
                 $a->children[1] instanceof \ast\Node &&
20:11
@Danack I don't remember the details, but the people who actually use annotations really didn't like that one
That is the people from the frameworks and libs that use them
from userland, pretty difficult to work with, I posted some code earlier that showed working with it from internals and it's not much better than that ^
it was either constants or ast, which is really odd ... no actual code supported, so you have to resort to this really quite complicated logic to use it, or restrict it's power by only supporting constants ...
I'm not sure it will ever happen, just not enough people are going to agree on any solution, I think ... I think if it does happen, it's more likely to happen outside of core than inside ... if someone does an implementation that cannot be ignored, and some big framework picks it up, everyone will follow ...
nested classes get mentioned a fair amount also, we've discussed that in here in the last few weeks ... the problem there is we don't seem to be able to agree the nicest way of closing over the scope in which they were defined, some people want use, some people want it to "just work", various ideas floating about ...
you might add that to class visibility improvements, not sure ...
that's all I can see/think of right now ...
there's at least one rfc in draft that's been superseded by typed properties ... don't know where that should be moved too .. probably others also ...
20:30
I'll make a note about nested classes....and do them later....
@Danack you coming to hangouts?
@Danack We are waiting for your presence, sir
some of them are just a waste of space ... wiki.php.net/rfc/case-sensitivity
callable typedefs maybe?
that seems a good one to mention too ...
what's going on on hangouts ?
20:37
we can start our own hangout, with blackjack and hookers
@JoeWatkins We are discussing the migration of php documentation from SVN to Git
Wanna join us?
@Paul In fact, forget the hangout.
@GabrielCaruso 🎉
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@GabrielCaruso wife is asleep in same room, so can't really talk, wouldn't mind listening in and can interject with keyboard if I have anything useful to say ...
20:44
@JoeWatkins Give me your email to send you the invite
krakjoe at p h p . net
@Ekin that's impressively close to scale
:)
@Ekin I was curious so I starred your message... did not retain shape. =(
I can still read it ...
20:48
yeah, if only that would work
@JoeWatkins You're just a walking computer though.
I'm talking about us normal people.
looks like someone floundering about after a shipwreck
it still expresses the excitement in a way :-P
It does.
@Ekin This is how new art is created. LOL! I can see people gathering around this image in a gallery trying to piece it together in their mind to find meaning.
It's like I bashed my keyboard upon hearing the good news
20:51
@PeeHaa Valentine's Day idea - canvas painting of that starred message. It's abstract and original. You're welcome. =P
I wonder how the migration will turn out - happy elephant-riding person, or terrified drowning shipwreck person
@SebastianBergmann I just found your phpcov repo, you could have asked me to change the name if you thought it was too close, I didn't know about it ... sorry about that ...

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