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00:17
@Trowski Far from kidding or delusional. I don't claim to know a lot of things, and I doubt or second-guess nearly everything, but I have never been certain about what I have said.
@samayo So… ignorance?
Nope
00:46
@samayo ....then...what?
this dude keeps posting questions that are similar to his original question, but slightly different, basically help-vamping:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54410093/issues-with-setting-routes-and-handling-exception-in-laravel
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54408833/exception-symfony-component-httpkernel-exception-methodnotallowedhttpex
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54407228/problem-in-defining-route-throw-new-invalidargumentexceptionroute-name-n
maybe: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54404610/how-to-make-different-pages-of-auth-register-pages-by-configuring-routes-with
he makes a small change to his code based on an answer that someone has given him in the previous question, then posts a new question when he encounters the next problem, begging for code
 
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02:28
The confusing parts of Lord of the Rings start to make a lot more sense when you realize it's actually just a transcribed #DnD campaign. THREAD:
@Tiffany flag for moderator and say that would be appropriate...
@Danack here's a happy yay for your day... \o/
...or night
You going to update your cv to say PHP core contributor?
oh lol, nowhere near that I am
but I always wanted to do some actual code contributions, more than docs or phpts
that was a simple-ish enough start I guess
there's just so much to learn about internals of a language, plus this language, I'm interested
03:07
@MadaraUchiha I don't feel right flagging these cause they aren't technically duplicates, but not sure what to flag them under chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/45194085#45194085
@Danack oh, noticed the "flag for moderator" thing
yeah - the 'other' and saying that they're asking too many follow on questions.
 
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05:03
moin
05:21
\o
🤔
05:37
@NikiC can you export an API for the interrupt check for implementors of vm loop please
(morning brain thinks it needs to be exported, happy to be corrected if wrong)
@Ekin you are, it says so on github ...
also, I was there when you done it .. I saw it happening ... more than once iirc ...
can someone give me an email address I can send a test message too ... can dm me on twitter if you don't want to post in here ... please
:-)
@JoeWatkins yeah, and you were helping out.. in all 3 times I did it iirc... so, thanks for that again
if nobody gave, I would dm you but seems I cannot
^
05:57
very welcome
got it, thanks ... gmail is failing to send ... we'll try another thing, can you send to krakjoe at pee h pee dot net ?
sent
it's most likely going to be in spam
got that
I dunno why it won't send
not doing any error message or anything, I press send and just nothing happens ...
weird
I've sent test@me from my gmail, wondering if it's me but that's in there
succcceeesss, did you get it ?
yup
06:03
excellent, I once again have email ...
\o/
just had to sign out and in again, for some reason ...
seems I haven't set even my name, it was showing up as the email, no wonder almost always in spam
dot space doesn't help either
it went to my inbox
oh that's a first
06:10
created php 8 label on github ... guess what colour it is ...
pink?
^^
yep, hehe
......I can’t sleep. Also someone used the phrase “visual debt” to defend some terrible code, completely non-ironically.
how badly did you hurt them ?
!!urban known idiot
06:15
[ Known Idiot ] A person who is known for [being wrong] about everything that is worth having an opinion about. If you have a plan you want to follow you should ask their opinion about the plan. If they hate it, then you should probably go ahead and implement the plan. If they love it, then you need to go [back to the drawing board] as your plan will have deficiencies that you haven't been able to see, but [the Known] Idiot will have detected and loved.
@im_brian_d @mindplaydk Ha! Hilarious! I was going to argue with you, that you couldn’t possibly be arguing that words:crammed:together are easier to read than separate words, but you pushed it too far with “visual debt” which gives away you are just pulling my leg. Thanks for the laugh anyway.
oh god they said it in public, I thought you meant in some chat room, or in an email or something ...
you should come back at them and ask them to consider the emotional debt of doing it the stringy way ... emotional debt is when you upset the people around you with shitty code, it's a totally real thing ...
06:31
Completely. 100%. Non-ironically.
it's become part of laravel speak now, he actually thinks he's making some sort of salient point ...
06:48
morning room
@Danack just use value objects ;)
\o
Ggghigfgggg.
06:59
@Ekin I was tempted to reply that sugar makes you diabetic and stuff, but not worth my time
posted on January 29, 2019

nice comeback regardless
unrelated, how do I stahp my director from getting in the old database.. adding new crap into it...
while I'm literally tasked to fix his mistakes over the past 10 years... exactly done like now
he's just adding and adding and adding and adding new columns for every new thing he wants...
oh the part where he says the language he is using is laravel is definitely my favourite ....
take away his access @Ekin
thinking my only option is using words
thing is... he can ask someone whose job is this... instead of coming up saying 'I have added this and these 6 other things in this table' (that already has 50 columns)
take away his access and tell him why you are taking it away, very clearly ...
if he ignores that and goes to another dev to do the thing you asked him not to do, that would be really shitty, and I'll permit you to shout at him ...
why does a director need access to a database anyway ? that doesn't really make sense, they employ people to do that, qualified people, so let them do it .... and don't get in the way ...
these are all very reasonable things to say ...
07:12
he has always been telling people how to code things, all these past years
he considers himself as the dba in a way and working with a lot of bad developers kinda made him become one
I've worked with this sort of people, be direct, it's fine to tell him he's wrong, if he's wrong ...
he's not a dba, so tell him that, he doesn't need to and should not change the db, so tell him that ...
don't mince your words, say exactly what needs to be said, very clearly ...
I'll do that
the thing that creates managers such as this is the people underneath them not having the ... balls ... to say what's what ... just be the person with balls ... it's difficult to argue when someone is direct, if you dance around the issue, or even accept a single time that they done something wrong "oh yeah, I saw that change ... whatever whatever whatever", you're creating a bigger problem for yourself and everyone else too ...
yeah, agreed...
I got a good response now for pointing this out at least
(assume you know "balls" is idiomatic English, nothing to do with actual balls, or being a male or anything of the sort)
07:23
no need to tell me that, yeah :-)
I've actually been through this myself a couple of times, one guy would wait till I was asleep and then make a bunch of changes to templates, fancying himself a designer .. and I'd get up in the morning and start talking about how to implement the changes he had started, all the while fuming ... it didn't stop until I told him to just stop doing that, very clearly, and when he asked me why, I told him the truth, that he's unqualified and making a mess. You can't argue with that ...
I have a self-esteem issue in general though... that's a given and I face moments where I really need to push him to take a moment to let me do my thing instead of following orders, it happens way less lately but still does... it's not often I tell someone they are doing it wrong, unless they do it so wrong I get mad...which is not even nice
@Danack I think he has a point - that it's easier to read on the eyes - at least written this way. Just has no autocomplete and no IDE-side syntax error spotting
at another job, the boss was the guy who wrote the first version of the code, 10 years in the past or whatever, and he still had his hand in, but without a clue about writing "modern" code ... you just have to tell them to stop it ...
an email then ... it may be hard to press the send button, but you can be absolutely sure you're saying what you want to say... and there's a record of it ...
that's what I did a while ago, and is the reason we're going through this new take on the platform(s)
that's also kind of the turning point for me
07:30
@bwoebi what do you mean by easier to read, it's quicker to get from " to " ? I don't think you mean it's easier to understand, it's the structure in code that helps us to build a model, when I see "this|that|the other" I've no clue what that actually means, even though I read it real fast ...
@Ekin if he fires you, send me your cv ;)
heh, that's kind of you to say
@JoeWatkins yes, the former. And if you have knowledge of the syntax, it's the best possible way to take the information in quickly
So it requires you to be familiar with it at first
hello......
@JoeWatkins I'm not saying this syntax is anything friendly to the newcomer to that code
07:33
syntax doesn't grow on rocks like moss, first of all you have to justify to me why someone thought it necessary to invent that syntax, I don't see any justification for it to exist in the first place, never mind understand it ...
@JoeWatkins because quickest to read probably
just that bad rationales are bad...
but is that justification, given we agree that it's the structure in code that helps us to understand ?
I think it's very easy to misread words, very easy indeed, all humans do it all the time ...
@JoeWatkins bad justifications are also sort of justifications, we just disagree with them and want to reject them
it's not so easy to misidentify patterns in code, it's kind of our jobs to be good at that ...
@bwoebi well yeah, but if you reject the justification for it existing in the first place ...
then he doesn't have a point, does he ?
He does have a point as in, he has his own logical rationale for it. But it's a bad rationale.
07:45
I can see why you might use this line when trying to convince someone they are doing something wrong, you offer them something "you have a point" and then destroy their argument "but you're totally wrong because X, Y, Z", but in normal conversation, I dunno why you would concede he has a point when the underpinnings of that point don't make sense ...
certain frameworks are full of this magical thinking ... where the author thinks they can do better than 20 years of improvements by shoving everything into a string, or making classes or objects behave strangely for totally twisted reasons ...
when I really didn't do larevil, I think I was a happier person ...
it's so hard to get people to change their minds, concede nothing :D
I think all big framework authors started out with the best of intentions, and I think they are pretty good problem solvers, but see problems where there are none, I don't know what causes that, but it seems to be the case ...
synecdoche Rhetoric. a figure of speech in which a part is used for the whole or the whole for a part, the special for the general or the general for the special, as in ten sail for ten ships or a Croesus for a rich man.
08:03
also don't seem to recognise when the problems they are solving are of their own making ... and rather than go back to the drawing board and rework the original solution, they come up with a new solution built on top of the bad decision that lead to the problem ...
</rant>
I dont see the benefit in the string notation over the arrays. yes, it's a tiny bit more compact but you could write the array on a single line if you wanted, so that argument feels moot.
08:23
nikita, can I have some more compiler flags please
or alternatively just always compile assert regardless of flags ...
few month ago I thought that Epic Games store would be beneficial to PC gaming scene. Now it looks like it is a fucking cancer.
@JoeWatkins what's the issue there?
@JoeWatkins you mean that assert() is subject to flags, while we should make the special handling unconditional?
yes, that would suit me, and seem correct for assert too
08:30
yeah
I can't think of a time you would mean to exclude assert with that flag ? maybe we have another flag that controls that ... but I don't need it, just need the behaviour to be correct
/s/exclude/include/
Okay, I'll fix
thanks
@JoeWatkins done
Also git push php-src PHP-7.2 PHP-7.3 PHP-7.4 master ugh what have I done
08:43
Any knockout ninja in group?
Hallo :)
@NikiC wonder how many times that's going to get done wrong in the next few months ... now is when we really make a mess ...
I'll be merging PHP-UNICODE-EXPERIMENT into PHP-8 soon enough ...
Ahoy
Morning.
09:00
\o
09:12
ah we're going to use a milestone for php8 @NikiC ?
Unexpected behavior, when using static in constructor – #77537
that makes more sense actually, should drop label ?
can we just deprecate calling constructors in 7.4 and remove in 8 ?
@NikiC you need a shortcut git push, pushing all the main dev branches at once :-D
that seems to happen because no bind static for class C, calling ctors/dtors in userland should be disallowed anyway, I think ...
@JoeWatkins It is useful for ... dark magic.
09:21
but there's no way to make that consistent
newinstancewithoutconstructor and then manually calling the ctor...
unless maybe there is and I just can't think of it ?
Including empty file results in stopping of script – #77538
MGE
MGE
Hello I've a problem trying to apply namespaces in my project
models are inside models folder and then each model is includes in a folder with the model name and then the php file. example: models/purchase/purchaseModel.php
these models class: class purchaseModel extends Model { ... }
and I add:
namespace models\purchase;
"Fatal error: Class 'models\purchase\Model' not found in"
I tried with:
all possible path but can't connect it via namespace
09:37
Does Model have it's own namespace and what it is?
@MGE did you set up autoloading or do you expect it to be magically working?
Also calling something Model is weird unless it is Cindy Crawford
morns
Yo/
MGE
MGE
yes, the problem occurs on require_once $model_path;
09:41
Gist your actual code
@Jeeves People do all kinds of strange things....
10:17
Is the falsey behaviour of NAN correct? (I assume this has been brought up before, just wondering why it's correct) if (NAN) { /* this will execute */ }
nm, there's a JS question on SO that kinda covers it, something like NAN has no value so NAN != false is true
Hello,
I know it's probably a bit of topic but I'll ask anyway.

I'm stuck with golang and docker. The pod I unable to do a health check and it's killing me for the few last few hours.
Here is my docker file:
# This is a multi-stage Dockerfile and requires >= Docker 17.05
# https://docs.docker.com/engine/userguide/eng-image/multistage-build/
FROM gobuffalo/buffalo:v0.13.12 as builder

RUN mkdir -p $GOPATH/src/github.com/swapper_ai
WORKDIR $GOPATH/src/github.com/swapper_ai

ADD . .
RUN go get $(go list ./... | grep -v /vendor/)
RUN buffalo build --static -o /bin/app

FROM alpine
RUN apk add --no-cache bash
RUN apk add --no-cache ca-certificates

WORKDIR /bin/

COPY --from=builder /bin/app .
Here is my question:
https://devops.stackexchange.com/questions/6143/golang-jenkins-and-kuberentes-readiness-probe-failed-on-health-check
10:44
@Patrick feeling brave enough to post anything on reddit yet ? :)
10:54
BC break in heredoc syntax in 7.3 – #77539
bugs.php.net is down
No more bugs!
good job
:D
Tuesday:
solve all bugs
close down bugsnet
profit
I installed docker for the first time today, I expect my hipster t-shirt in the post ...
installed it, but it took so long to do whatever it was doing (no idea), I killed it ... I guess I only get the t-shirt on first completed use ...
does this thing exist because people don't know how to setup operating systems for themselves ?
11:13
@JoeWatkins No it exists because it makes everybody's life so much easier until it doesn't or you are on the wrong OS or they are trying to monetize it more or they are slow with implementing features and fixing bugs or trying to debug it
so ... yes ?
yes :P
Don't get me wrong there are certainly cases where it makes sense to use docker, but currently it's just like any other shiny where everybody thinks they need it everywhere for everything which is just stupid
^ unpopular opinion
11:28
@PeeHaa That is so true, but I'll say that it has more to do with management/employers than the programmers themselves.
Not in my experience
It's coming mostly from the developers
Weird that it is so different from your view
Does management force the tooling on you? :(
@PeeHaa Yes, all the time. They want to use things that will make it easier for other developers to take over. So, they make me work with laravel too :(
So, I just moved to the TypeScript to get away from that :D, can't say that its much better atm, but I am learning a lot of new things :)
They don't allow us to make application without the use of a framework, because it will be difficult for another developer to work on it and other BS like this
I would have probably also ran to typescript in that case :P
fwiw it might make sense to go for a framework everybody knows if management expect a lot of people to be gone soon
Yeah, it is probably something like that
11:45
oh lol the yearly copyright stupidity in php is here again
12:01
I did actually contact a lawyer about that ...
@JoeWatkins And it's stupid
?
yeah guessed as much
Zeev said on the ML that he's fine with dropping the year range
So let's do that :)
12:06
You should, but I am still annoyed about his last? mail
The copyright notice is complete bull, but as long as we don't have to update the range I don't care
He's welcome to keep his delusions about how copyright works
He's just talking out of his ass and assume everybody should agree on his misinformed opinion as facts
But yeah. Less noise \o/
lawyer said they are worthless in their current form, the only valuable form would be unreasonable to achieve, but that having something is better than nothing, and as record of who owns what copyright the logs from version control were the best evidence we had of that ...
I'd be happy to contact that same lawyer and this time forward the document onto zeev
IIRC, there was a kind of weird process where they sent me an automated email, and I had to reply with "UNDERSTOOD", then they either sent me a fax or post with their response (I can't remember, but know it wasn't an email), it took a while, but was free ...
12:13
Spend you time on more useful / fun things I guess :)
@JoeWatkins I hope you replied with ACK instead
VCS is not a prove of anything at all, correct? Because it is just files on disk. I can easily fake anything, for example, can become a sole author of Linux and so on. So, why people care about VCS?
i mean, law people
@Vasiliy That's why people sign their commits
@PeeHaa haha
Everybody does that rite? RITE?
okay, all my fake commits will be signed as well
with my own digital signature
what next?
I just done what I was told ...
I'm not a lawyer, I contacted one ... it doesn't matter what seems reasonable to us or how vcs works, what matters is what the law says, to a lawyer ...
@Vasiliy And how pray tell is that going into the linux repository?
@Vasiliy While you can fake a local repo checkout, you won't be able to fake upstream
Nor all forks
12:18
How the court knows who is 'upstream'? is there a goverment issued document, or something
I just don't understand how IT things could be applied in law world
If you want to use VCS to determine copyright assignment, your main problem is going to be that you don't know whether the committer is also the copyright owner (often it will be their employer at the time of contribution, for example)
@Vasiliy Why would IT be different than anything else?
@Vasiliy that's why we need VCS on blockchainz!!!!1
for example, I think you can not prove that you developed your open-source lib. I can clone it, fake commits and say that I am upstream, and all others are fakers. And there is no difference between you and me, both technically and by law
There are several ways
12:22
?
In the same way I can compose a piece of music or write a book
@ircmaxell For the password_hash salt removal, should the behavior be something like throw a warning that the salt is being ignored and auto-generate one?
@NikiC Seems fine.
@DaveRandom you around?
@NikiC I got another flags problem
something is not respecting NO_CONSTANT_SUBSTITUTION ...
it's opcache
it's difficult to show a reproducing case without uopz ... but uopz is doing everything right (for once), opcache is optimizing away a FETCH_CLASS_CONSTANT ...
12:40
@JoeWatkins I don't think that opcache is supposed to respect those flags
can you make it so ?
You probably need to set opcache.optimization_level=0 if it's used with uopz
we like to test what opcache will execute
(because can't really trust it otherwise) ...
And you do...
Opcache doesn't execute that constant fetch :P
we're redefining constants under test, horrible as that is, it's necessary
I don't mean test with regard to this optimisation, but the rest ...
12:45
So the problem here is that opcache itself sets that flag
It needs to prevent the compiler from doing these substitutions
right, I see
I dn't have passes memorized, can I switch off just opcache's constant substitution ?
(by adjusting level on startup or something hacky)
pass one ...
is there any nice way I can change the level without ini hackery ?
I don't think so
okay, thanks for help, again ...
12:59
In a simple CRUD application(with ever changing requirements), what is usually the better approach? Use case driven or domain driven?
@mega6382 no but potentially a bit later
Good Morning, All!
@JoeWatkins urgh I will take a look this eve
So happy today!
13:05
@DaveRandom ok, thanks, please ping me when you are :)
@StatikStasis yo
@StatikStasis why is that?
We had to take our daughter to the emergency room last week. She had inflammation in her joints, bruising and red spots on her legs and arms, and was in extreme pain. The urgent care place we go to (which is cheaper than the ER) didn't know what was going on and sent us to the ER...
She is 5 years old, which makes it harder to watch her go through this. They had to stick and IV in her and run tests. We were there for a while. She was diagnosed with something called HSP. Less than 200,000 cases per year. It is an auto immune disease where the immune system attacks the blood vessels.
It isn't a life long disease. You basically have it for 4-6 weeks and then there is the possibility of a re-occurrence within 1-3 months afterward but then it is gone.
However me and my wife were having to make some major modifications to our work schedule and had to keep her at home out of school to help her because she couldn't walk.
@JoeWatkins Nice blog, by the way. Here's hoping I won't regret merging your pull requests ;-)
There was also a 5% of life long kidney problems and a 1% of total kidney failure. Anyway- she has been a kid the whole time. Still wanted to play, still wanted us to bring her toys even if she could not walk.
Yesterday marked a week since the first symptoms and she has basically already made a full recovery. They said she could go back to school today. I'm just extremely grateful and thankful to say the least. The doctor said it was the best case of HSP she had ever seen.
13:17
@StatikStasis Awesome, I wish her a long and healthy life :) <3
@SebastianBergmann THANKS SO MUCH
I'm glad you got past the sausages ...
	if (INI_INT("opcache.optimization_level") & (1<<0)) {
		/* must disable block pass 1 constant substitution */
		zend_string *optimizer = zend_string_init(
			ZEND_STRL("opcache.optimization_level"), 1);
		zend_string *level = zend_strpprintf(0,
			"0x%0X", (unsigned int) INI_INT("opcache.optimization_level"));

		ZSTR_VAL(level)[ZSTR_LEN(level)] = '0';

		zend_alter_ini_entry(optimizer, level,
			ZEND_INI_SYSTEM, ZEND_INI_STAGE_ACTIVATE);

		zend_string_release(optimizer);
		zend_string_release(level);
I feel dirty @NikiC ...
@SebastianBergmann have you run pcov yet on anything big ? hard to imagine what you might regret, the thing is so fast, and the chances of it making mistakes are as likely as zend executing your instructions wrong ...
so ... not totally unlikely :D
I kid I kid, some ideas I have are crazy ... this is not one of those times, I didn't create a bunch of future work, or make my life hard in any way, or yours ... when new versions of PHP come out, it takes two seconds to make pcov compatible by copying and pasting code from opcache into pcov and pushing it to github ... it's an extremely elegant idea to share code with zend, even if a bit awkward to actually achieve ... and also that CFG gives us a basis to work on whatever criteria we like
@JoeWatkins Not yet.
and I intend too ... but quietly, and slowly ... for the future ;)
@JoeWatkins I noticed that building pcov from the develop branch is not "good enough", I had to build from master. Otherwise function(s) were missing.
@JoeWatkins I saw that Remi made commits. Does have plans to package pcov for RHEL/Fedora?
13:27
yeah, I'm waiting for remi to do a release for me, 1.0.0 is tip of develop branch and that will be what we should support ... I think he's back today or tomorrow, he has all kinds of QA infrastructure that I like the assurance of ... and now it's merged I can write a proper test suite ..
already done
I adopted remi and anatol from php for myself, he and anatol do all my releases on extensions for me, remi does QA on his infrastructure and puts everything in his repos and pecl, and anatol does the windows side of things
means I can get on with code ... he's not often afk ...
and they fix all build warnings and strange windows stuff that I just fail to care about enough ... I love those guys ...
Hear, hear.
super appreciate you finding the time to do this so quickly, I know you have a busy week ....
anyone is familiar with any Laravel package for basic user management and dashboard? Trying to start a project management services.
@tereško Thanks
14:02
@Vasiliy you have misunderstood basic law. A court wouldn't just look at the files, they would get people to testify that the history as shown by the files was correct. It would be their testimony that was considered, rather than just some files. Feel free to fake the history, but then you need to get people to testify to it also.
@JoeWatkins you should...
I do ... but anything goes, it's uopz, a dark and horrible place where bad things have to happen so that more bad things can happen, so that good things can happen ...
never listen to anyone who says two wrongs don't make a right, they can easily make a right ...
14:18
@bwoebi it's been about 1200 years since people realised that using white space is easier to read than crammingallthewordstogether. But also, consider what voodoo the user:unique bit is doing....
14:31
Hello
I have an array like $payment['CdtrAcct']['Id']['IBAN'] , I would like to store part "['CdtrAcct']['Id']['IBAN'] " into string as a variable as an accessing element, and later compose it back like $payment.$accessingString to access specific array element, is it possible please? Thank you
@Danack written text is a nuisance. The ancient Egyptians had it all right with their hieroglyphs and modern mankind is finally realizing this. Emojis über alles.
I guess I gonna do it in a cycle
@Gordon I'm too disappointed in their beliefs to argue with people on twitter. Just in case you're interested, I use github.com/Danack/Params which allows me to define rules inside a type like:
and then use it like:
autocomplete_all_the_things.png
where's the emojis?
sadly lacking for version 1.
I'll list that under actual visual debt.
14:59
@Gordon it displays a lot of tiny reactangles for me :-D
@Danack I'm absolutely in favor of that ... it's harder to read, but easier to process
@Danack I have something similar using respect/validation:
And I have properties that are automatically typed and set based on the form definition.
@kelunik so....you're saying you have a lot of visual debt?
15:18
lol
15:59
@Danack The amount of magic happening in your tweeted example is distressing, but the amount of people apparently fine with that is downright frustrating
@Dereleased I am agree.
Also:
After a few days of soul-searching, I have come to the conclusion that it's ok to just let some people on the internet be wrong.
16:17
SQLite < 3.26.0 - Possible magellan vulnerability – #77541
16:38
"It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness."
@NikiC git.php.net/… don't know, don't you just want to completely remove it from lexer/parser instead?
@Danack In February the Interessengemein​schaft PHP e.V. will have its annual meeting. This is one of the topics that will be discussed. I expect that a working group will be formed for this then. Hopefully soon after that we'll have more to share.
@bwoebi Self interest ^^
That way I can still support it in php-ast and PHP-Parser
@SebastianBergmann cool. I'm just waiting for my bank to finish setting up a business account for me, and then I will also have something to announce.
@Danack That you've stolen all their money and will be moving to a non-extradition country?
16:54
@NikiC and what's the idea with the github milestone? Shall I merge it anyway? You're accumulating a few PRs there and then merge them all? Or..?
Actually I forgot the UPGRADING note
@pmmaga no, it's just to track which PRs are for PHP 8
@SebastianBergmann Very exciting. Looking forward to more news.
@NikiC you can say it ... it's so I don't accidentally merge stuff into the wrong branch, it's okay, I'm crap at git, I accept it ...
lol
@Trowski 'stolen' is a very strong word......'acquired' is far more neutral.
16:59
public properties vs protected/private properties and getters: go!
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