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macOS compile linking to system libs instead of local – #76403
00:39
interview on Tuesday \o/
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\o/
00:55
morning
Hello,@Wes. could i ask to you?
How to make sure button work for connecting with skype id in php?
is this right for it?
<a href="skype:8615210710481?chat">Start chat</a>
Wes
Wes
CAN YOU PLEASE NOT PING PEOPLE RANDOMLY?
DO YOU USUALLY STOP PEOPLE IN THE STREET AND ASK THEM IF THEY KNOW HOW MAKE SKYPE LINKS?
please help me
Wes
Wes
use google
01:10
ok, thx, anyway
Wes
Wes
and stop pinging people, or you will be banned from chat. consider this your last warning
thanks, i will ask about php
only
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Wes
that is not what i said. you need to stop pinging people @Jincowboy
yes
thanks
Why isn't there an easy way to navigate to fgetc reference? – #76404
01:17
Now you've got me imagining stopping people in the street and asking them if they know how make Skype links.
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ahah
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01:34
@Alesana DUDE, DUDE!!!!
do you know how to make skype links in php??????????
looks around for candid cameras
Hahaha there should be a youtube video where someone runs up to people on the street to ask them vague questions
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Wes
lol
this is <a style="color:" href="skype:8615210710481?chat">
or better yet not even questions but vague statements that mention a vague issue that they're having with PHP
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Wes
try asking in the javascript chat
01:51
@Wes I almost think he was answering your question
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i don't believe that
would be just too fun :B
:P who knows
I really wish I were doing more (non-wordpress) PHP with my new job.
02:32
SiteLock job will require a bit of wordpress/drupal/joomla bs but hopefully not a lot
don't really care though, I want itttt
mornin
03:25
mornin
04:01
@Tiffany I assume that you would be doing more server related stuff for clients that use WordPress instead of building WordPress sites
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04:41
gotta love packages that have version requirements without testing them
Awe... he just needed help. Y'all are being mean tonight. =P
@Tiffany Congrats on interview!!
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@StatikStasis he's been pinging everyone for days, and he was asked to change the behavior several times
I'm just giving you a hard time.
No way he can be as bad ten5 though.
That guy has filled the chat screen up several times in the last couple days.
@Wes You have to work on Saturdays or do you get up this early on your days off too?
Wes
Wes
i sleep and work when i want :B
right now i'm working on some personal proj
That's nice!
It's almost 1am here- about ready to crash myself.
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04:49
do you ever get dyslexic composer errors?
like:
Conclusion dont install
Profit!
No don't do that
Conclusion install this
Unless ....
Composer is on my list of ToDos...
I still require it the old fashioned way... I know. I need to try it.
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it's not much really. you just tell the thing what to install and it will
I need to start using an auto loader though.
Doesn't it also let you change dependencies easily too?
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like how?
Hmm I don't remember exactly... someone had mentioned something like that the other day and at the time it stuck out to me as useful. Right now I'm drawing a blank.
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04:57
basically it installs dependencies recursively. if you need package A and package A needs B and you don't know it, composer will figure out what to install automatically
so it's your dependencies and the dependencies of your dependencies, etc
Yeah- that's really nice.
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Wes
you specify the version and it makes sure that the version you want is what the dependencies support too
Yeah- I definitely need to begin using it.
Think I'm going to crash. Eyes are burning. Night.
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gn \o
posted on June 02, 2018

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

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05:09
one day i'll be able to understand what the hell this means - xxx 0.8.0 requires yyy ^0.17 -> satisfiable by yyy[0.17.5]. - xxx 0.8.x-dev requires yyy ^0.17 -> satisfiable by yyy[0.17.5]. - Conclusion: don't install yyy 0.17.5 must be machine learning #php
 
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06:36
Process lsphp-7.1 of user killed by SIGSEGV – #76405
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@JoeWatkins any advice is welcome twitter.com/WesNetmo/status/1002802239839326214
please don't write an extension. thanks :B
bob
bob
07:15
I'm building a very simple ordering system, I have a form of all the products each product has a number input for quantity, the name for this input is also the products id, name="deals[<?php $row['id'];?>]". The problem is how do I select the info from the database on form submission? Here's what I have so far: pastebin.com/GRg6YzLg
bob
bob
@SalOrozco Hi
I just did something similar to what you are doing. I'm working with legacy code.
bob
bob
@SalOrozco what like 5.6?
hello, can somebody explain the php?
07:20
Select the info for the products on form submission?
I've been learning for like 14 months so far and I dont understand
lower then that
5.4
What don't you understand?
it seems like I know how to make and put a decoration on a Christmas tree, but I am not able to put up that Christmas tree by itself
07:21
Learning your first programing language is always hard.
ok, thanks for reading, I will explain
I've been learning (like literaly studying) the php for close to 14 months); php.net manual with the examples, w3resource.com exercises, Murach's Mysql and Mysql and PHP books, phpStorm manual, regex website (I read the whole thing with full understanding) and other things like this; proper edu with full understanding
I was talking to somebody who works on php programming and he looked at me like I dont understand, so the task for now is to get that correct point of view
bob
bob
@SalOrozco Well i'm sending an array of id's and quantities to the handler page, and then I don't know how to select data from the database using the array of id's.
@ten5 Don't do PHP as your first language, you might regret it.
You have to build stuff.
Not just read.
I will be going to two IT universities in the city where I live and I will try to talk to website programming people there; I dont have any $$$ currently, and I would get some paid advice
07:23
for each but you run the query outside the loop
You can learn how to build websites for free.
like I dont have that point of view, which would make everything easier; like we are building a skyscraper and I've been learning how to paint walls on the last floor of the building without understanding the foundation and the skeleton of the building by itself...
the foundation
variables
arrays
loops
people say download ready made scripts (could be small, easy) and learn from that, you can also expand them with your own coding
@SalOrozco - yes, I understand thaty
but
Do you understand that?>
Ok do you know about POST AND GET REQUEST
bob
bob
07:25
@SalOrozco Not really not. I mean I know what you mean outside the loop, but then the loop will be empty.
@SalOrozco yes
I am basically not seeing still how the process would look in 3D. Lets say I have the phpStorm and the MySQL Workbench open and ready to go. I want to write a script like YouTube.com (or something a lot simpler to use as an example, but something like that). And what are the steps? Are there any places where I can learn about this (I've already seen one book - How to create your own blog, programming, and I will get this) .
I've been learning the PHP for almost one year and at this point this would be the most valuable knowledge to have, so I could organizie what I know on this (like a skeleton, and I could put the process of creating anything on this).
@SalOrozco - yes, I know these things, I just need to get it all together
it seems like
like what order you use to do these things
what is the skeleton
What dont you know how to do
login system?
lets say I want to create a YouTube.com
what do I do step after step, something like this...
You have to break it down.
youtube has login
registration
you know how to do that?
yes, I will be able to; also, thanks as I can see that you see my point of view; I literally dont get that and this is the issue; that sort of situation - all the tutorials and info are there but I dont see the "core thing"
all indyvidual things I will be more than able to do, I just dont see how this gets together, that "3d model of this", which I am assuming is always the same, and also easy
but I just dont have that "loaded in my mind" and this is the issue
07:29
That comes with time.
bob
bob
@SalOrozco sorry would you mind explaining?
You have to see a lot of code.
in other to see it clearly.
I am learning how to paint a restroom on the last floor of the building without knowing how to do the foundation and the skeleton of this
@SalOrozco - my task now is to get that point of view, as I have realized that I am going the wrong path, and basically some person needs to pass it to me (literally)
it seems like it is not directly on google.com, explained, and this person that I was talking to kind of suggested this, so I will be able to move on
like load that 3d view of this into my mind and all will be three times easier after this, and also all the things that I will be working on or learning after that will make more sense, and it will be easier too
so break it down into parts and then you connect that?
What you are looking for is specific knowledge of how to do real-world projects.
project - what functionalities do I need - create all separately - and then connect it all together?
07:32
I was in the same situation when I started learning PHP.
@SalOrozco - yes, exactly, I dont get that yet
and this is what I need to understand
the question is how
I knew all the syntax but didn't know how to put it together.
from google, youtube or some place else on the Net, a doable thing?
I read a lot of books.
Probably most ever made in PHP
@SalOrozco - YES, EXACTLY - I am here now
bob
bob
07:33
@ten5 you can help me... lol
and after I would get passed that "the rest is history"
all easier and making sense, and so on, just falling into place
You need to Find books that have real world examples
check out.
LARRY ULMAN BOOKS
ON LEARNING PROCEDURAL PHP
ok
THEY REALLY HELPED ME WHEN I WAS STARTING OUT. hIS BOOKS ARE BASICALLY ON HOW TO BUILD REAL WORLD PROJECTS.
like I said, I will go to IT universities and just talk to people there, I started looking for a php job (like intern) and maybe I will find something and somebody will put me on the right path; work would bring money and I could get some paid advice
07:36
When you learn all this you should really Go in to OOP
I was doing hard stuff, getting burned out for like 2 months but it has not been a wasted time and I will continue that edu too, but it does not have to be that hard
This is what you have to do.
Build a portfolio of projects.
build stuff for friends and family
have at least 10 projects.
I was learning the OOP from the php.net during the most recent round of learning, so the theory and how things work (these things that you have to understand) I get that
Intern or volunteer to work somewhere.
working everyday is key.
You will get a lot of practice and improve your skill
read read read
I am "good", not a novice anymore, but I DO NEED TO GET THAT RIGHT POINT OF VIEW, which I basically dont have, load that "pattern" into my mind and this would organize anything else
07:38
always try to get better
@SalOrozco - yes, this is good; my issue is not seeing things the right way and somebody can just look me in the eyes (even) and I would understand
that "3d view"
that skeleton of things
ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND procedural well enough.. Take a look at this. patricklouys.com/resources
@ten
no one can do that for you. YOu will have to find it yourself.
basically some other person needs to explain it to me
ok, thanks, I am sure this is very good or the best advice, but I still dont understand
a situation like this and if this person would not suggest it I would not even understand that I do it wrong
Believe me, that just comes from looking at code a lot.
he said, what you are doing you can do for the next 5 years...
so I am there - not understanding - to understand - your advice would be to do what, easy things the best
like download small apps, already made and figure it out from there?
what would you do first, database or html and so on, and I can probably find the answers by myself...
07:42
Alot of stuff online is wrong.
ok, I dont want to bother too, thanks for the info
stuff online can be the stuff online, it is that point of view, this is simple
but I just dont have that yet, the person that I was talking to has suggested this
One of my biggest issues learning. Is finding the right stuff to learn.
I think that is the issue with you.
so find practical books that explain this step by step, download already made aps and work with that, and so on
I MEAN
Seems like you are leaning from the wrong places
there are videos on YouTube that explain things step by step, lets say (and I was watching them like 7 years ago); but there is no video that says - "YOU ALWAYS DO THIS IN THIS ORDER IN PHP" - something like this; and this would teach me this
the edu sources are good - php.net, murach.com books, regular-expressions.info, phpStorm manual - I select what is the best outright
07:45
@Wes Can you give me 1 DDD. (Random Ping)
what would you do step by step when creating a YouTube like script?
Sorry. Had to.
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i only have 1 spare DDD
file_exists() misleading error message and unexpected NULL return value – #76406
@SalOrozco - thanks a lot for the info, I will go over all this; I also asked here - codingforums.com/php/…
this is what it is - I basically need to get that right point of view (and I was not even realizing that I am doing things wrong; all the people have been saying - learn by practice but I did not understand that angle of this)
so that right point of view "exists" it is there, and I can get that somehow, so this is good, and all will become easier and will start making sense after that
this is like puzzle, it all comes together in some way...
and this is like the #1 thing to understand
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07:50
why don't you do apprenticeship somewhere @ten5
@Wes - I started looking for work yesterday
@Wes - how could you suggest that I can get that point of view?
from the Net in some way?
if I would get a job somewhere people would explain and I would be a "productive" worker as I am already not a beginner in this (I have like 14 months of edu done, literal studying with full understanding, just the php / mysql and so on)
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Wes
i didn't read the thousands of letters you posted no
@Wes - but that right point of view is what I dont have
I have the decoration but I dont know how to put up the Christams tree
I know how to paint the restroom on the last floor of the building but I dont understand how to make the foundation and the skeleton of the building yet
this is the issue that I have
and I need to get passed that point
and all will fall into place, become easier, and make sense
so how to get that...
job, paid advice, go to IT schools and talk to people - this is what I will be trying to do
basically people have always been saying learn by doing, and I knew it was correct and right, but I did not get that I am going down the wrong (or not the best) path
like I've been painting the restroom on the last floor with my leg instead of staring with the learning of the foundation and the skeleton of the building first
and you do the decoration as needed from the php.net, lets say, and you set up the skeleton first
puzzle, I dont udnerstand how that puzzle comes together...
I am proficient at some percent of the indyvidual pieces but this is the wrong edu path
just wrong, not the best, wasting time, burning out
thanks a lot!!! can I assume that the order of this will always be the same, apply it to all esle?
any further projects / work? or this can be different, or it depends on a programmer, you can do it this or that way...
puzzle - I am "top level" at knowing the pieces (or some of them) but I have no clue about getting it together as a whole
after having this knowledge it would a whole different thing, the knowledge about the pieces would contribute to knowing it all beter as a whole, AN ENLIGHTMENT
this is where I am at...
brontide a rumbling noise heard occasionally in some parts of the world, probably caused by seismic activity.
either way, thanks a lot for the info, I will be going over all this
thanks!!! !!! !!!
08:06
@Wes tables in md are messy ... here's some inspiration maybe (supports md in cells, see tests, I've forgotten how it works) ..
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how about twitter.com/WesNetmo/status/1002802902472249344 @JoeWatkins is there a reason it's not possible in commonmark?
not sure
not really intimately familiar with the league impl ...
it's based on parsing extensions ...
it's probably just missing support, it can't be impossible ...
oh wait
it's not supported in commonmark becaues that's block/inline html
you would have to parse the document, then walk HTMLBLock HTMLInline nodes and use dom or something on them to invoke the parser on innerText or whatever ...
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Wes
yeah
the spec only covers markdown, the only reason html is included is so that it can recognize it (for exclusion), it's specifically designed not to descend into html ...
I dunno what I thought I was reading at first ... I'm tired ...
08:24
o/
@Wes apt-get install wordpress
08:56
Mornings
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09:28
o/
09:40
\o
09:59
hi again, quick question; my issue - not seeing how things get together as a whole in php; I am good at the pieces of the puzzle but "blind" at how to get them together
after like 12 months of full time edu / literal studying of this, with full understanding and from the best sources
tube scrip, blog script, pic gallery script - something like this - this is what I want to be writing when I get to that
basically break things into pieces - like tube - login, registration, display video and get that done
and then worry about how this can get together, this is a good way to go
I mean, this is the right direction (doing this as pieces of functionalities) even though I dont know how to get it as a whole
break it down into functionalities and create that
I will be obviously trying to find an answer to how the things get together too
by the way, why the hel* this is not described anywhere, theoretically
I've been studying for the 12+ months now and after like variables, arrays, loops (the syntax), this should be the big #2 thing
you learn the syntax, then what are the rules of getting the puzzle together, but this seems to be not described
properly at least
lets do it!
10:26
@ten5 how is your day going?
it is ok, I am taking another 7 days of break after 28 days of a break because I am not ready for further learning
I need to learn how the things get together in php, and I am watching a good video now
the one posted above, how to make a blog
I should be able to figure this out
but I realized that I am not on the best path
or wrong path of learning
@ten5 have you talked to your doctor yet?
no but I talked to somebody who suggested a better path
You're not going to get a job while you're showing these behavioural symptoms.
a person who worked in a shop in a mall, familiar with php programming
I need to figure this out and after that all should be ok, I will benefit from the previous learning, I think
it will all come together more and everything should be easier down the road
10:29
"I need to figure this out" - no, you need to get professional medical help.
please.
do it for me.
It's quite disturbing seeing someone behave the way that you are behaving.
which is why I keep saying it.
I am behaving more like on the picture above with the php coding
still not there, but somebody has corrected me
@ten5 no, you're being delusional and thinking that you're now on the 'right' path.
could be...
Being on a path isn't the problem, getting medical help for your OCD is the problem that needs to be addressed.
in free time I learn about healthy lifestyle
bio food is 100% better than non-bio; best choices of this: vegetables, fruit, meat, natural supplements, dairy
check that out
thriatlon (you can walk instead of running), to learn swimming is like 3 times per week (45 min lessons) - one year to a year and a half; indyvidual lessons - swimming could be the best that you can do as an exercise
and good bike - could be Specialized, Scott
alcohol - not good, one glass of red wine per week at the most; white wine not as healthy as the red
beer - not good, dont drink it 100%
10:34
see, this is another example of your OCD overwhelming your thinking. You have fixated on some certain diet and keep talking about that. And now again, setting "timelines" of how long it will take.

THIS IS NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOUR.
GO TO A FUCKING DOCTOR.
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Wes
10:47
@Danack make me RO
ask ircmaxell.
I believe ten5 is an incarnate of Jeeves trying to get on everybody's nerves
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Wes
ok please kick then
he will always find someone that indulges him into his "conversations" which means for him he's allowed to "conversate" more
he's been flooding the chat for hours and that just today
Use the ignore button.
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Wes
so ignore and let him drag the room to absolute insanity?
10:54
There were no other conversations happening when he was .....showing off his oddness. And I do kick him if he's doing it during other people's conversations.
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Wes
maybe it's just me but i pretend i'm not here when he's around
hoping he would shut up
@Wes Not just you
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11:23
@tereško our new "minister of health" is a antivaxer and antiabortist
we are fucked
I can't seem to find where to unblock/unignore a user from chat.
click their name, bottom of the list "ignore this user"
11:46
morns
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12:03
@Danack, the reverse of it though? I don't see them anymore. I want to see them again.
@Darius easiest is to click their small icon in the top right list of users currently in the room and there is un-ignore there. You can also get to it I think on your own profile.
thanks.
@DaveRandom im using com1 only not com6. In the test s ript it is com 1 also my com is eq to 1
13:02
Mornings v2 (pieter)
 
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14:10
Morning!
pce
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Good Morning! /me is working on data transformations (ETL)
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Just found this piece in a project started in 2017... Can developers actually learn or are we doomed? #php
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most of new peeps don't even know whats that for
"magic quotes", haven't heard that name in a long while.
user1804599
14:54
Is there a PHP 7 library that when autoloaded does what magic quotes did?
Here's a question based on that, if I no longer plan to use a variable after an action is performed, should I unset it and continue with the rest of the operations within that action? or just leave it be? Like, does leaving the variable full of content eat up ram/power?
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Wes
what do you have in mind :B
15:09
!!canon list
Usage: !!canon [ list | add <title> <url> | remove <title> ]
The following canonicals are currently supported:
• class → https://stackoverflow.com/q/2206387
• classes → https://stackoverflow.com/q/2206387
• crypto → https://stackoverflow.com/a/30159120
• encrypt → https://stackoverflow.com/a/30159120
• encryption → https://stackoverflow.com/a/30159120
• errors → https://stackoverflow.com/q/845021
• floats → https://stackoverflow.com/q/588004
• globals → https://stackoverflow.com/q/5166087
• headers → https://stackoverflow.com/q/8028957
• html → https://stackoverflow.com/q/3577641
hmmm... is it just me or de we not have the canon for "I want to mingle javascript and php"
!!poll does stackoverflow.com/questions/13840429/… server side vs client side programming belongs in the canons?
15:29
I hate the new google images interface.
15:50
@FélixGagnon-Grenier @MadaraUchiha had one for that...
16:12
@StatikStasis thanks :)
@Alesana hopefully, which I'm more adept to anyway
16:27
@FlorianMargaine let's wait for it :)
17:18
@EarvinNillCastillo if you do just var_dump(DeviceManager::create()->getConfigForAllDevices()); do you get any output or another error?
btw you should make sure you are doing this by running the script from the command line, don't try and access it via the web
it's possible that may work, but it's possible it won't because there may be permissions-related problems there
certainly it adds a layer of complication that should be avoided while we are just trying to get PoC
@FélixGagnon-Grenier simply based on the fact that it was deceze who did a self ask/answer, probably. The only reason not to would be if there is a better one, in which case that should probably be closed as a dupe.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier also if you can be bothered, it would be good to expand canon so it can link off-site
Hello guys any cURL expert here ?
> Don't ask to ask, just ask.
I am not able to get the XHR response using cURL
so need help
still not anywhere close to enough information for anyone to help you... stackoverflow.com/help/mcve
17:35
this is my question
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Q: get loading page response using cURL and PHP

SagarVirparaI am developing video downloader in which user will give the link of the page. What I want to do is when user give the link get the response and there are multiple response so I want to get one particular response when page gets loaded so I am doing that using cURL with PHP. <?php $url = "http...

18:27
@DaveRandom Yeah, I can be bothered. I'll have a slow sunday tomorrow.
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18:38
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18:50
@FélixGagnon-Grenier iirc the reason it's even an issue is because there was some issue where certain SE URL formats don't correctly trigger a onebox (and we strip stuff like refs to a specific comment on the post) so it will probably need some kind of "are you sure" confirmation and also should require admin privs, I just had a quick look at the codez and there's a catch block where you can easily deal with it
What we want here, is to accept anything as canon reference, iiuc?
yes, but normalising SE URLs so that they always onebox correctly (which is already done)
and we force https://
however I don't know if you can sanely do that for externals
so, in the case of SO url, do as before, otherwise advise user that their url might not onebox and/or function correctly
yeah in the case of non SO url that would warrant a admin only access
yeh but all you need to do is modify what that catch block does, i.e. if normalize_stack_exchange_url() fails then handle it at that point
18:55
it's not immediately obvious to me why they seem to be being stored as an array with a constant key, as well
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