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6:00 PM
That would be nice ^
Right now (I think) you can pull down the list of admins and owners and see if Jeeves is in there, bundling the check into a method would be lovely.
3 PRs in 2 days isn't bad ^^
 
@Sean You want to use that check in any of those PRs? I can do it in about 5 mins
 
@Shafizadeh have you had even time to play DeusEx or have you been spending the time working and learning?
 
Sure please!
Actually
I don't need it on any of those prs
 
@tereško Actually I just installed it :-) ..! also not on my own laptop, on my computer at work :-) ...! That's why I didn't play with it very much
 
Why did you install a game on your "computer at work"?
 
6:08 PM
you bought a laptop?
 
And your English has improved a whole LOT! (y)
 
yup
@iroegbu what's wrong with it?
@iroegbu glad to hear that :-)
 
hi. I use laravel I am trying to include a class with "use", but somehow it is not found. How can I see what complete path php is trying to access ?
 
@Shafizadeh if it's office issued, IMO it should be used of "office related" things
 
@Shafizadeh two major reason why people find it a bit odd: 1. usually the PC is somewhat underpowered, when it comes to visual rendering, 2. you are expected to work at your workplace and rest at home
 
6:15 PM
@iroegbu formally yes .. but you know, our office has a friendly-environment
@tereško Agreed with #1, but about #2 I have to say "playing game" is a work kind, not a rest ;-)
 
nope
same way as reading a book or watching a movie is not "work"
 
we have 2 hours per day for considering to our personal things at work ..! thx god, my work-place is amazing :-)
 
just don't get fired
 
:P
 
6:22 PM
@iroegbu btw, as a note, I guess you had to use "have improved" instead of "has improved" in this sentence.
 
no, because the "has" points to "English"
 
Oh .. good point. thx
 
as in the difference between "you have legs" and "your cat has legs"
 
I see
 
Wes
i like that now even attempts to correct people "you are using your language wrong!" :B lol
 
6:26 PM
Anyone here use Deployer to deploy their PHP projects? I'm a little confused about the 'shared_files' option. For the Symfony recipe it shares the 'app/config/parameters.yml' file. When I looked at the code it seems to delete the file from the release folder and create a blank version of it in the /shared folder. The parameters.yml file shouldn't be in version control anyway so it would need to be uploaded manually I would think
 
what about a guy who has just one leg?
- you have leg
- you has leg
 
Wes
it's not about quantity @Shafizadeh
 
^ that
 
Wes
the subject is "you", which is 2nd person singular
and with that goes "have"
 
got it (however I knew it, just wanted to be sure ;-) )
 
6:27 PM
@Olivvv somewhat annoyingly, stepping through the composer autoloader code is the only way to do that.
btw maybe run composer dump-autoload, if you've edited the composer.json file recently.
to regenerate the classmap
 
Wes
yo danackin
 
Deus Ex a good game? Looking at getting H.R.
 
@Sean the one I recommended to him was the old Deus Ex
 
@Sean what's "H. R." ?
 
@Shafizadeh Deus Ex: Human Revolution
 
6:29 PM
Deus Ex: Human Revolutions
 
ah .. I see
 
it's the next game in that series ... published 15 years later
@Sean I am kinda torn on that one:the game itself is nice, but the boss-fights are terrible
 
Wes
actually @Shafizadeh it is (also) about quantity, but of the subject, which is "you" in that case, not "leg"
 
btw, isn't there an alternative for "I see"? I feel I use it too much.
@Wes yeah .. correct
 
@Sean in the old DeusEx the "boss fights" are not .. emm .. in any way special. And can be avoided. Hell. It's even good to run away from some of the boss fights in that game and fight later, when you are in a better position.
in the HR version they are just bullet-sponges
 
Wes
6:33 PM
i see = i understand = right = got it = got you, etc
 
^ okay
 
Wes
or just okay :P
but i'd go with "aye aye"
:P
 
^ fine (the same as "okey" but with an undertone of "I hate you")
 
Wes
lol
 
@Wes thx buddy ;-)
@tereško yeah .. there is a hatred feeling in the behind of both "fine" and "alright"
 
6:38 PM
naah, "alright" has more of the feeling of bracing for something hard
as in - the office meeting ends, and some says "alright, back to work now"
 
really .. good to know
btw, can I add you to my website's repository on bitbuchet? @tereško
 
you can, but why would you?
 
Just I like to have a teammate for my website .. even if he doesn't write code for the project
you know, my current repo has just one member .. that's me. I like to experience being in a repo which contains more members :-)
 
that's a really bad reason for disclosing codebase, that should be only available only within your company
 
my website has nothing do to my company
I'm talking about my own website
 
6:43 PM
oh
then sure, you can ad me
I can even do some codereview tomorrow in the evening
 
btw, if I want to add you, I will get a promise of you to keep my codes safe against publishing them in a public place :-)
@tereško really?! that's perfect
however, my codes are really professional, please don't change anything :-)
 
lol
ok
 
good :-)
just see and enjoy ;-)
what's your username on bitbucket ?
 
just send me an invite on martins.teresko at gmail
 
well I never done that before ..
lemme search about it ..
 
6:48 PM
test
 
when I give a "write" accessibility to a user, naturally it mean both "read" and "write". Right?
 
yes
 
ok. I add you to a test repo .. did bitbucket send you a notification?
 
yes
 
good ..
I want to add you to the main repo ..
just one thing
my codes are important for me, so please consider the privacy.. I mean don't let someone else see them. ok?
 
7:02 PM
ok
 
good :-)
received a new notification?
 
yes
will have a quick look to know what I am dealing with there
 
Wes
/me takes popcorn
 
good .. just be careful .. there is a reason in the behind of each line of code ;-)
 
naah, I wont actually review it today
 
7:07 PM
good
 
btw, you should probably pick an indentation style and stick with it
:P
 
btw, from now on, I will write understandable commits sentence in English ;-) ..! currently they are just understanding for myself :-)
@tereško dont get your point
 
either use tabs or use spaces
dont mix them
 
ah :D
you right
if you have phpstorm IDE installed on your computer, use ctrl+alt+l, than all codes will be formatted
 
Wes
@Shafizadeh i know you are a novice and right now very proud of your achievements, but all code is crap... remember that :B
 
7:14 PM
:-)
 
@Danack thanks. I am trying to debug from composer/classLoader.php - public function findFile($class). but apparent the use MyGuard; does not trigger any of this ;(
 
... the files test.php and really_test.php
:D
 
oh ..
neither aren't related to the project
I just test things into them
 
even better
39 secs ago, by Shafizadeh
neither aren't related to the project
 
Wes
has anybody tried private packagist yet?
 
7:17 PM
don't use "double negation"
 
ah ok ..
 
there are a lot of issues
 
name one
hardly think so :-)
 
but your first priority should be applying PSR-1 and PSR-2 to have standardized indentation
 
@Olivvv 'use' doesn't do anything - it just tells the compiler about a class name with a string. The class loading only occurs when you actually try to instantiate the class.
 
7:24 PM
as for technical issues - the largest on is would be amount of mixing between HTML and PHP logic
 
I opened a bug report on PEAR and it ended up submitting twice and making two exact reports. I marked one as a dupe of the other, now I'm arguing with a bot who marked the other one as a dupe of the dupe. I give up. =o(
 
@tereško yeah I don't have any view. both views and controllers have mixed
 
@Danack I am trying to do this answer stackoverflow.com/a/33450048/113291 but I get Class 'Auth\MyGuard' not found
 
naah, I'm not even talking about MVC
just the general practice of templating
I'll explain tomorrow
today I am opening my second beer and reading a manga
 
put the breakpoint on the line return new myGuard($provider, App::make('session.store')); and step through the autoloading there.
 
7:27 PM
:P
 
It will show what directories composer is looking in.
 
btw, @Shafizadeh did you try out Kraken?
 
@tereško ah ok :-) ..! enjoy your bear
@tereško I'm trying it
 
there is a significant difference between "beer" and "bear"
11
 
@tereško oh sorry .. typo
@tereško btw, I got you wrong .. and no, not yet
 
"enjoy your bear" ... seriously
 
7:44 PM
@Wes that reminds me of flogging molly
.. is there a sane way of verifying if sendmail exists on server running a script? other than like... catching exception or manually checking if file exists
 
Wes
i should investigate punk + irish more. killer combination
 
I was listening that combo a lot couple years ago
 
@Sean have you tested your code?
 
Wes
do you know similar music?
 
7:49 PM
Aye but not comprehensively
 
Wes
i only know dropkick murphys, i think
youtube.com/watch?v=y31UGptxxYw usually covers aren't this good, this is even epic
 
@Wes velvet underground?
 
Wes
punk? :P
 
@Sean I didn't say comprhensively, I basically just expect Jeeves to start :-P
 
:P Oh yeah
 
7:53 PM
ugh ffs I must put some more batteries in this keyboard
 
is there any difference when using a class in css, as you can just give html elemnts the same id and it will act as a class
or am i just being really dumb
 
batteries are so 2016. nowadays people have wirelessly charging keyboards
 
@Sean put it this way: I haven't tested either of these two at all, yet I still have just pushed them to master BECAUSE THAT'S HOW COOL I AM
 
@RachelDockter IDs are unique per HTML document
also, they have higher specificity in CSS
 
@RachelDockter basically, using id's instead of classes is a really bad idea. you don't want to style every element in your page individually
 
7:55 PM
 
Agree, IDs in CSS should be used as never as possible
 
see the helpful diagram
 
amazing
obviously, we want to be siths rite? :trollface:
 
Wes
flogging molly is actually not bad. never heard of them
 
takin' the sith right there
 
7:57 PM
the only difference i see is that one is more at the front and the others at the back
like id takes priority over class or something
 
@RachelDockter annnnnd a cookie for you!
 
oh am i right lol
 
Where's my cookie?
oh it's here
carry on
 
@RachelDockter the "rule of thumb" is to always use classes
 
unless its a 1 off yeh
 
7:58 PM
IDs are more often used for attaching JS event listeners
 
they can be mixed tho. like p #specific .global a will only affect a's under elements with .global class under the element with #specific id under any p. ftr: don't ever, under any condition, do something like what is in this very post.
 
oh yeh the getelementbyid thing
 
also, a html element can have multiple classes, but only one ID
 
i never knew it could have more than 1 class
 
So... github header becomes black at pretty much the same time SO's one becomes white? They want to exchange traffic, to be sure. What do they WANT!?
 
8:01 PM
we should have a public list of "taught by room-11"
 
@tereško ++ :-D
 
room-11 apprenticeship
 
@RachelDockter An ID is like a person's National Insurance number, uniquely identifying a single entity. A class name is like some attribute of a person - hair colour, eye colour, nationality - each entity can have more than one, and there can be more than one entity with that attribute.
 
woa. made that all by yourself @Dave? pretty good :)
 
8:12 PM
yeh i got that bit lol i used to do alot of oop with c# and java and i used it alot there
 
maybe not java
but c#
 
CSS classes are completely unrelated to OOP classes
 
same principles but dave was saying what they were just like a oop class
 
no, not at all
 
how are they not at all lol
 
you pervert
@RachelDockter well let's start with they have nothing like properties or methods
they are not initialized
 
8:14 PM
/me winks slyly at @FélixGagnon-Grenier, sensually licking lips
 
because in OOP an object cant belong to multiple classes
 
i meant in general the concept is the same, i think it is anyway
 
not sure if I wish to escalate this or not... :D
 
incoming Bob saying something about inheritance in 3... 2... 1...
 
i know what i mean at least lol dont agree if u want
 
8:15 PM
@RachelDockter they just happen to have the same name
 
morning
 
@RachelDockter An ID is like a person's National Insurance number, uniquely identifying a single entity. A class name is like some attribute of a person - hair colour, eye colour, nationality - each entity can have more than one, and there can be more than one entity with that attribute.
id say that could be applied to oop class and css
am i wrong lol
 
The SO chat is sooo white if you're used to the dark plugin...
 
something something you racist something something
 
8:16 PM
@kelunik yeah, therefore it is also racist by default
^ too slow
 
Lesson #1 in any class about anything to do with computing should be: terminology fucking matters. It doesn't matter if you know what you mean, if you can't communicate it to someone else then it's not worth anything.
Also on a related side note: end users are idiots.
 
@DaveRandom preach it
 
!!xkcd well 2
 
@RachelDockter how can an entity have multiple class name? "A class name is like some attribute of a person [...] each entity can have more than one"
 
8:18 PM
Computers do not deal well with ambiguity. People deal with it far less well than they think.
 
idek what your saying now @FélixGagnon-Grenier i know what i meant
 
CSS is not a programming language
neither is HTML
I think that's the core of your problem, @RachelDockter
:P
 
i know lol its in the name html
i never thought they were
 
In the very very abstract sense, CSS classes and OOP classes do use the same meaning of the word "class". A "class" is a collection of things with a common attribute. In CSS it identifies a collection of objects (elements) to which you want to apply so style rules. In OOP it identifies a collection of object instances that were constructed to have the same behaviour
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom what's a better approach instead of the nullable scalar? github.com/Room-11/Jeeves/blob/master/src/Chat/Client/…
 
8:22 PM
@JayIsTooCommon A nullable object (use the instance instead of just it's ID)
I did some refactoring @JayIsTooCommon
 
Anonymous
Oh you did, 2 secs
 
Mostly to use the existing PostedMessageTracker instead of tracking it in 2 places, and to clean up some stuff from ChatClient that didn't belong in there
It's a pretty big commit, sorry
the reason I started doing anything at all @JayIsTooCommon is that it bugged me that these methods were public
 
@DaveRandom How's the DNS works going?
 
@kelunik For the rest of the evening I am focusing on getting lxr working properly because Joe shouted at me asked me nicely. I'm planning to have put the DNS stuff to bed by the end of this coming week.
 
:-)
@DaveRandom Could you setup lxr.room11.org when you're at it?
 
8:29 PM
Yes I will be doing, I'm going to have to rebuild opengrok02 but I should have something that's pretty much a run-one install script by the end of what I'm doing
 
> Linux version 3.10.0-327.22.2.el7.x86_64 (builder@kbuilder.dev.centos.org) (gcc version 4.8.3 20140911 (Red Hat 4.8.3-9) (GCC) ) #1 SMP <date>
 
@kelunik have you seen the new UI and the JSON API?
 
that is redhat^^ or is redhat related to the gcc version?
 
@DaveRandom No, have been away the whole weekend. Cool, it renders markdown now. :]
Does anyone have a good example app with controllers / actions / whatever you like to call them being abstracted from the HTTP layer?
 
wat wat wat I have 1 week of vactation
 
Anonymous
8:43 PM
@DaveRandom ah shit :/. Didn't notice the tracker, my bad. Other stuff makes sense - max buffer size might be better as 21 though
 
Anonymous
Sorry you had to refactor
 
@RachelDockter wtf
 
what
ur ping made me jump
 
i was reading the history
i saw this sentence: "id say that could be applied to oop class and css"
oop and css?
what the heck is that
 
google it lol
 
8:54 PM
no thanks
 
2 messages moved to Trash
 
r11 is getting crazy
 
@AdilIlhan there is OOCSS
but, @RachelDockter, it seems like you have misunderstood the point of OOCSS
unless you are using something like BEM instead
 
@DaveRandom OH… Joe's shouting? Well … @JoeWatkins I can too… WHERE IS MY GREENLET?!? :-D … I mean … could you please work on it? :-)
 
@tereško i think OOCSS is not what she thinks
 
9:10 PM
do any of you use a VPN service?
 
i use my server as a socks5 proxy
i don't trust to third-party vpn services.
 
Ive considered setting up a vps with openVPN but then I have the hazzle of maintaining it =)
 
how about ssh tunnel?
the ssh tunnel is enough for me
or you can set up a socks5 proxy
 
I dunno.. maybe
 
my friend suggests to nordVPN
it seems to be nice. it is third-party though
 
9:24 PM
Well =] thanks for input and feedback
 
Anyone here that knows any HTML (bootstrap specifically)?
 
user6061856
I know HTML, but HTML is easy enough as it is I don't need bootstrap.
 
user6061856
9:39 PM
@tereško So I got the atom text editor. It's amazing, thanks for recommending it. Unlike Sublime Text it doesn't eat all my memory on my computer. :D
 
@Terminal-JS you can also install a minimap extension on it : atom.io/packages/search?q=minimap
 
@Terminal-JS After moving my Bootstrap navbar code from my index file to a header file, my navigation bar broke and it's become bulky and the dropdown is overlapping the logo, any ideas?
I'm using the same code and everything, but I just moved it to a PHP file and included it with some PHP code in my index HTML file.
 
user6061856
@nicarpe IDK what you did. Don't ask me, I don't have your code.
 
user6061856
@tereško It took over 4 hours to download- but hey I got it now. XD
 
Would you care to take a look at it if I sent you a pastebin with both of the files? @Terminal-JS
 
9:42 PM
@Terminal-JS ouch
 
user6061856
@nicarpe sure
 
you need to get a better internet ... something that doesn't contain "IP over dogsled"
 
user6061856
@tereško Wasn't a big deal about time(went to the library got some fiction), I was mostly worried about it failing during downloading. I tried all day yesterday and the day before. Finally I got it! :D
 
user6061856
@tereško I would get better internet if I could.
 
emigrate to canada
2
 
9:44 PM
@Terminal-JS thanks! header.php (with the navbar code): pastebin.com/1UR3hq0v
woops, wait wrong code lol
that code is for the index file
 
user6061856
That's a lot of stylesheets . . .
 
actually yeah that is the header.php file, just confused lol
 
user6061856
It's better to put it into one file and load it instead of having to make a request for each snippet
 
you mean a file to load the stylesheets?
 
@tereško yeah, please do, we are very welcoming
 
user6061856
9:47 PM
That's from what I've read, I could be wrong though/
 
@Terminal-JS it's better, indeed, but practically doesn't make a big difference
or rather, all of this about performance is true, but each situation is different. when you are at that point where you want to optimize a page rendering speed, it's time to actually verify what is taking time
and optimize that. chances ares the 150 icons in your page are taking 150 requests, way more than the 8 stylesheets
 
user6061856
@FélixGagnon-Grenier That's when chrome's devtools come in handy! I love chrome's dev tools.
 
@Terminal-JS let me send you a link to my site with the problem on it
 
9:49 PM
maybe the dns hasn't updated for you, works on my end
does it work for anyone else?
 
user6061856
404
 
you are trying to access a different cpanel?
 
hmm works on my end, sec
huh?
 
/panel/v2. just assumed that was for a cpanel
 
user6061856
lol
 
9:52 PM
0.
 
oh lol haha
 
I'll send you a screenshot then
 
user6061856
Takes like 30 seconds to load page
 
user6061856
;-;
 
9:53 PM
@Terminal-JS prnt.sc/e7xc9m
 
user6061856
 
Here's without the header file I made prnt.sc/e7xcx3 @Terminal-JS
yeah, that's my current panel
making a new layout
and it is quite broken as you can see lol
 
user6061856
I hope you have a backup before you messed things up.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I cant. I am not politically correct enough for canada
 
hehe. I thought we were globally seen as yes-people ;)
 
user6061856
9:58 PM
define yes-people
 
I have yeah @Terminal-JS - you don't have any idea?
 
also, I probably would end up being punched as a nazi
... ya know .. it's a trend now
 

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