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@Ekin foo
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I think there was another one as well
foo?! is lost
@Wes :( hope you get better soon
also I can't see the "possible mem leak" one on transcript
duh.
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general conclusion on Suicide Squad: it was fine with some beer
/me agrees
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@LeviMorrison private classes? hell yeah! I would probably hide most concrete implementations anyway
 
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hello
 
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06:48
mornin
@LeviMorrison … hiding concrete impls?! why?
morning
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07:09
the running man
pretty accurate :B
07:33
not sure if this is a correct date
48975-03-03
I am trying to convert this: 1483339854000
my bad I found my problem
I had to divide this by 1000 first shame
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07:48
year 48975 is the best :P
moin
@Wes feeling any better ?
Wes
Wes
kinda, thanks for asking :B sneezed so hard tonight that i had nosebleed
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Q: ShieldUi editable colums with subcolumns non-editable

jayantsoni002I am using shieldui Hierarchy demos with editable columns and non editable subcolumns links are https:// demos.shieldui.com/web/grid-general/hierarchy https:// demos.shieldui.com/web/grid-editing/editing-odata Hierarchy,parent column editing is working fine. But when I click on sub columns the...

please help solving it
Wes
Wes
being sick sucks
08:06
mornginsd
Happy new year everyone, hope you all had a good one.
moing
posted on January 02, 2017

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

I'm trying to make an advanced search with <select> options, that hides all other results that don't match and passes the search data to the url using GET so that it can be sent as an address and displays the search results to the recipient. anyone got any idea on how to do that?
Has anybody a bitbucket's account?
Wes
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08:17
moin
@Wes Yo!
morning
@Wes sup
Wes
Wes
i should probably go back to bed. i'm also running out of aspirins and i don't have the strength to go buy them -__-
08:22
@Wes I can ship some if you give me ur address trollface.gif
half joking there
Wes
Wes
fu
:D
I think tonight is the first time I actually answered a question on SO and would actually call me a knowledgeable person on the topic.
I am not sure how I feel about the past four years
I answered 3 questions and I'm pretty proud of it :D
Well, 2 of them should have been more complete in order to be proper SO answers, but still
Wes
Wes
08:40
til programmers.SE was renamed to softwareengineering.stackexchange.com
o/
\o
Wes
Wes
08:56
o/
09:13
hi
Anyone know about varnish cache
sorry jquery question, not sure why this isn't working: jsfiddle.net/zn91baz1/2
hello
Does anybody know how php-src is mirrored to Github? It doesn't contain a mirrored icon as github.com/v8/v8 does.
09:31
poke around in systems and other obscure repos, you should be able to figure it out (I'm sure I knew at one point)
10:00
@JoeWatkins Thanks, just tested it, mirror push doesn't automatically add the mirror icon. I asked GitHub Support now.
I also couldn't find any setting for it in the repository settings.
Started working this morning for a while until I realized its a public holiday... :/
Not public enough for me :P
@kelunik I do wonder one thing though ... it is likely that adding the mirrored link is going to send a lot of traffic to the git server, I am unsure what kind of hardware/bandwidth we have there ....
10:06
@JoeWatkins That might be true. But I want to know how to enable that anyway. ^^
Whether to enable it for PHP mirrors is another discussion then.
cool, maybe it can be enabled without a real link ... if it just says "mirror of git.php.net" without a real link, that will stop the curious clickers from slowing us down ;)
I do think it should be obvious that it's a mirror, somehow ...
Maybe we could even link to the repositories, but show the GitHub clone URLs there instead of our own: git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=summary
Things that should almost certainly *never exist*:

1) cock flavoured lollipops
2) yet-another-ssl implementation
if you are smart enough to implement that, then you are smart enough to fix the problems in the solutions the whole world has already deployed ...
hi guys.....i created static block pages like about us, contact us and banner. But the storeview can not display, So please help me how to add layout for all static block pages.
@HamZa Dude has an epic name I tell you that
@abdul we dont do wordpress here
@PeeHaa lol ... perfect name for inventor of 1)
10:59
:D
@JoeWatkins we're talking about the security bear security.stackexchange.com/users/655/thomas-pornin \o/
I don't care how many internet points they have ... it's harmful
"implemented: ... TLS 1.0, TLS 1.1 and TLS 1.2 are supported. By design, SSL 2.0 and SSL 3.0 are not supported, since these earlier protocol versions have irreparable vulnerabilities."
that's reasonable ... I'm not saying it's bad software, I'm saying it's a bad idea ...
yup, I got you
11:12
sorry..Its not wordpress..it is magento , i forgot to mention..!@tereško
we don't do that either ... we don't do much ...
hmm k..
Isn't there a magento.SE?
I think there is an se site, yeah
i think..if magento developer is present here they will answer for my question
11:16
unlikely
its k leave it
@abdul okay ... you seem to know best ... we're only trying to save you time ;)
@JoeWatkins hmm..its true
Morning
11:24
o/
O/
anyone intimately familiar with appveyor ?
throw new ┻━┻;
I forgot how to JS
@Ekin sounds like brain space was free'd up ... maybe learn to break dance or something ...
11:28
haha yeah good suggestion
I'm so close to finishing up the github.audio clone though
amp - php bit is done :-)
>js is just php with closures
the original one used socket.io and all
I'm trying to recreate it using the json I send from aerys
/me needs more coffee for that
11:38
lol
:p
if it takes appveyor more than an hour to start a build ... that's .... not continuous integration ...
crappy thing ...
@JoeWatkins appveyor only allows one concurrent build on the free plan
hasn't even started one, I don't think ...
@JoeWatkins It's building a merge commit right now
11:48
omg, make that two hours ... it has just started one ... queued 2 hours ago ...
I think we should disable it on the 7.0 and 7.1 branches
this effectively results in six builds for each commit
just master and PRs is probably good enough for us
yeah it obviously can't manage
mornings
one build at a time is fine, but waiting for two hours, not fine, also windows is very crap at building things quickly, each build seems to take an hour
moin
@JoeWatkins I've disabled it on 7.0 and 7.1 for now
not sure if that will disable it for PRs against those branches as well though
11:52
so what exactly will trigger a [bunch of] build[s] now ?
@JoeWatkins master
ah not sure ... we'll have to wait and see I guess ...
ok
@NikiC commits to, and PR's to, right ?
@JoeWatkins yeah, prs too. Just not sure if against master only or not
ok, we'll see when next pr comes
is there a way to configure appveyor to skip NEWS commits ?
supports [ci skip] like travis, but I always forget ...
12:08
@tereško This example is a great one which can explain the concept of clone
@Shafizadeh no, because clone creates a separate instance
@tereško exactly .. Seeing this example made me able to understand what clone does.
$a = new StdClass; $b = $a;
this create a single object
I know !
oh
@Shafizadeh that's good
12:11
:-)
btw, in practice clone is extremely rare construction
I have only seen it used, when creating some custom data structures
@tereško yes, both clone and abstract classes :-) ..!
naah, abstract classes are quite common
hell, I made one just last week
well I've never created an abstract class so far
@tereško really?! Then I take what I said back
12:15
it's remarkable how many PHP devs prioritize and promote type-safety, and how little progress PHP itself seems to make in this area.
@JoeWatkins it's remarkable how easily people form information bubbles
@tereško I see ..! Noted that I didn't know you can define a function without {} ..! I'm talking about abstract protected function buildItem(); ..! I thought it should look like abstract protected function buildItem(){}
12:35
@JoeWatkins Don't do NEWS commits
Edit NEWS in the main commit
And in the merge commit when merging upwards
@Shafizadeh yeah.
als the usage would be kinda like this
@NikiC did you contact them? a lot of those services provide sponsoring for opensource projects (e.g. a "premium plan" for free)
class FooCollection extends Collection
{
     protected function buildItem()
     {
         return new Foo;
     }
}
@Shafizadeh kinda like this
@NikiC I see other people doing that ... not sure how
where "Foo" can be "User" or "Document" or whatever you need
12:39
@tereško yes .. recently I figured out what is abstract for :-)
@staabm even their most expensive plan only allows two concurrent builds ... I don't think they really have a comparable platform to travis ...
but we'll see what they say ...
> Additional concurrent job is $50/month.
If you pay lots of money, you get lots of concurrent jobs.
@Danack lets see maybe, they offer some resources
12:58
@JoeWatkins Speeding up our builds would help then.
> Here comes AppVeyor - the fastest way between your code and a hosting environment of your choice.

We want to build Continuous Integration tool with awesome user experience, so intelligent, so tailored to .NET applications that it takes minutes to connect to your repository and push green builds to your environment - it just works!
Maybe you should just rewrite it all in .net :)
Hi, I am writing a rest API using Symfony. Does anybody have idea how to upload file with metadata on rest API. Please please provide some help : ). Happy new year to all of you
@NikiC do I use --no-commit on merge maybe ?
or --squash and --no-commit ?
but it looks like that wipes out history ...
I'm so crap at git ...
@JoeWatkins You do a commit --amend
13:23
Morning!
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Q: Nginx proxy pass not working on page request

ShineI have SSL enabled Magento website the problem is page request not hitting on varnish but the CSS and js hitting properly. Using Nginx with varnish 3.0 server { listen 443 ssl; server_name test.com ssl on; ssl_certificate /etc/ssl/smartretract.com.crt; ssl_certificate_...

I was wondering if it would be hard to import data from an EID reader into a 'webpage'. It's just something that came up into my mind.. but a user will always have to install his, drivers, browser-extensions right?
yeah browser ext
or make your own hardware :)
I found things also about protocols like: SAML 2.0 Browser POST OpenID 2.0 WS-Federation Web Passive Profile..
haha : D
Especially for PHP the government has: LightOpenID - SimpleSAMLphp those 2 mentioned on their EID docs. :d
13:29
not familiar with this particular hardware/protocols ... but in general, hardware is a bit of a bitch to interact with ... smart cards and such usually do require browser extensions
I need the 'owner' adress data from a ID :)
yeah indeed that harware stuff is a PITA imo.
I use the the jquery maintainers guide for the most common git operations (as I also cannot remember the correct commands). works also for php projects very well.
http://contribute.jquery.org/repo-maintainers-guide/
e-contract.be/eid-idp this seems a good xml template of what I am looking for.
looks like there are ready made extensions for ff/chrome ... probably safari and ie in that case also ...
but the problem is everyone doing things on mobile devices, no idea about extensions there ...
Wait... what do you mean? Mobile devices != card reader.
13:32
I mean that everyone wants everything to work on their mobile device ... I know it's not a mobile device :)
do any of them use NFC ?
if not applicable, then not applicable ...
what's the application ?
lol :D
!!dad
Why don't skeletons ever go trick or treating? Because they have no body to go with
@JoeWatkins I would like just to distribute address-data from a person to external companies.
Probably entering those fields manually could be faster...
yeah faster/simpler
@Danack Thanks, I'll have a closer look later. :-)
btw feel free to put LSP back where I changed it to contravariance.....it's just that I don't agree with contravariance being 100% compatible with LSP.
As the programs don't behave the same.
@Danack Right, it depends on what you see as behavior.
14:05
Hi, I'm from the JS room. A spammer is vandalising Documentation. Would be nice if more hands can help with the review queue.
@Sheepy you should just get mods involved.
Indeed
Possibly stupid question - does anyone have access to a legitimate copy of Windows 10 pro that they can spare?
14:26
I have just arrived, and am annoyed that everything is not perfect #php
@Danack what you need it for ?
@Danack They're already aware of the situation as far as I know, and are discussing how to update the system. Until they do, however, the review queue keep growing...
if you approach pieere and say you wanna do php stuff (like imagick) on windows, he'll get you an msdn subscription ...
@JoeWatkins I ought to start making builds of Imagick that contain both Imagick and the corresponding version of ImageMagick that it was compiled against.
Also, I probably ought to test on Windows more than never.
Thanks - I'll talk to Pierre then.
@Danack If you just want to test, microsoft has some testing VMs from Win 7 to Win 10. You need to snapshot and reset it every three months but that's all.
It takes 2.99 months to setup a dev environment ...
14:38
Nah....I need to compile as well. And I've just remembered that without MSDN, you need to pay for compilers on Windows.
Yes.
@Danack :o
what about express editions ?
That would work...but if Pierre has MSDN subscriptions available, also would work.
I wonder if anyone has ever found out what vs setup is doing ... it's very confusing that it takes so long
oh I thought they might have stopped doing them ... I am allergic to windows
I think, it's the worst place in the world ...
14:59
Morning
How's the server stuff going?
good good, just waiting for line 2 now ... Jan 12th
Oh, did you ever hear back from Remi?
regarding ?
15:02
pkgconfig?
ah, no I didn't actually, I've contacted him about a few things, guess he's afk for holidays
Evenings
I'll jump on him in IRC when he's next active ...
@JoeWatkins Will you need a new router? Did you figure out if the one they'll give you is redundant only or aggregated?
the new one they are sending is neither, it's only single WAN connection, the one I have now is dual but only failover ... I haven't picked one I'm dead set on yet, I'm leaning toward this, I think
but haven't had a chance to check what they have in local hardware shops yet, I rang them, and they just kept repeating "Dual Band?"
15:08
@Danack Yeah you can totally use the free stuff fo dat
not sure if its luck or not: the legacy app I just looked up for the current phpmailer bug uses a version which is so old that the security bug is not yet contained ;-)... we have 10th of others though... -_-
@JoeWatkins think you will use the firewall features?
NOTE: THIS VERSION OF PHPMAILER IS DESIGNED FOR PHP5/PHP6. IT WILL NOT WORK WITH PHP4.

Version 2.2.1 () July 19 2008
@LeviMorrison I think probably not
I wasn't actually convinced by anything I read there, I was swayed by a few blog posts I read about setting up ... but can easily be swayed to something else ...
@JoeWatkins it's kind of hard to search for. "Dual band" keeps showing up.
And it's not something I want to exclude...
15:18
yeah, I'm in two minds about that ... on the one hand, the kids can just use one of the wifi networks created by either router, on the other, it will ruin balancing ...
I have to have the other routers plugged in, can't find anything that is dual adsl2+ ... but would like perfect balance, or as close as hardware can make it ...
does dual adsl even exist ?
@JoeWatkins i think so.
\o/ it woorks. I'm listening my own version of github.audio.
same problem as with dual wan, hard to find anything ...
@Ekin Nice!
Look through those specs.
I'm on mobile at physical therapy so hard to read finer print
> dual-WAN connectivity through a Gigabit Ethernet WAN port
@PeeHaa lol
In all fairness last time I tried to build in my car radio it was the exact same thing
Wes
Wes
evenings
yo wesmon
15:35
from billion website:
> Dual-WAN approach - ADSL2+ or Ethernet WAN for Broadband Connectivity
> also has a second Ethernet WAN port, which can be connected to a second ADSL modem or cable modem (and fibre services when they become available - FTTC/FTTP) and supports failover between WANs.
@Wes \o, feeling better yet ?
Wes
Wes
slightly better thanks :B
good good
@PeeHaa I have no idea what to call it though...
I need suggestions :( what would you name a github.audio clone that uses amphp stack on the background?
@JoeWatkins anything look wrong with that
it's only one adsl port, dual wan is done with adsl+ethernet
@Ekin githubaudioclonethatusesampstackonthebackend
15:43
:P
gitamp
that sounds nice
Wes
Wes
* makes logo *
@JoeWatkins can't you just have your second ADSL line connect with ethernet?
15:45
@Wes \o/
.com is reserved
@LeviMorrison oh yeah, that's the current plan ... because it's all I can find ...
but I'm going to have 4 routers in my office
3 routers and one switch ...
would prefer one router and one switch ...
That's why I never ever want to touch "security" topic
no wait, I'll have two routers and one switch ... still it's three plugs into the wall ... I don't really love the idea of plugging extension leads into other extension leads just to get enough plugs ...
Wouldn't you just need one modem one router and one switch?
yeah, or that ... it's still three things to plug in and find space for though ... ideally I want 2*adsl going into one router (which does balanced wifi) and then just a (balanced) switch for all wired hardware ...
15:54
Hey guya
What is wrong with the documentation review line? I think it is broken
Blame @salathe
Also no idea what you're talking about :)
Nevermind. How are you guys here?
"brak"
@KoenHollander working on some js unit tests, I hate my life
15:58
Why on earth would you write tests for js?
You are going to have to rewrite it all either way next month
Please no jinxing
I had to freeze the {node,bower}_modules by versionning them and locking the {package,bower}.json files
I feel bad for doing this
Now throw it all out and use webpack instead
Go with the flow!
:(
16:01
Oh wait. This is just in. Nobody uses webpack anymore
I already use gulp/karma/jasmine/mocha/chai/whatnotjs
webpack should be the name of the punch over TCP/IP protocol ... webpack.punch ...
js motto is "break fast move things"
break it fast and break it hard
@JoeWatkins who is your ISP?
16:02
BT (infinity is name of service)
Try searching for bonded ADSL
@PeeHaa also don't use semantic versioning
it's copper to cabinet fibre, over ADSL2+
@Trucy The trick is to make it look like you are using it and breaking everything in patch versions
@Levi they are only running a trial of that in some places it looks like
16:05
@PeeHaa the trick is to never throw a Javascript tool away, so that you're always using all of them.
I think I'll ask the engineer when they come to install second line about that ... the people in call centres are very clueless
Vagrant up is taking over an hour. And I have to explain why this is a problem. Presumably I will need to use short words to be understood.
@Danack ooooooh so smart
Is somebody tweaking the mail servers again?
> This message was created automatically by the mail system (ecelerity).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

>>> [email protected] (after MAIL FROM): 550 5.7.1 reject mailfrom [sbl]
------ This is a copy of the headers of the original message. ------
Or am I actually on a BL?
I feel unsure ... make noise in IRC probably
hmm looks like it fixed itself
much amaze
R.P
R.P
16:17
Does anyone know anything similar to github.com/jhalterman/modelmapper in PHP?
The prize for most files touched in a PR, possibly ever, goes to @SammyK with https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/2268 (973) #php #touchallthethings
@Danack "We need to uberize the cloud in order to get a plusvalue on the ROI"
Nope still broken. It's just slower to respond with the I am broken message \o/
@PeeHaa what are you talking about?
Do we even have a registered copyright?
My understanding is that it isn't required but can be helpful.
Also, my understanding is that copyright should be dated by first publication.
16:30
mine is that it should include the dates you work on it ...
18 mins ago, by PeeHaa
> This message was created automatically by the mail system (ecelerity).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

>>> [email protected] (after MAIL FROM): 550 5.7.1 reject mailfrom [sbl]
------ This is a copy of the headers of the original message. ------
although I read this maybe 15 years ago, and have never really looked since ...
It's not clear if PHP 7.0.1 (the .1 specifically) needs a new date from 7.0.0.
Bad paste
@JoeWatkins That's how I know it, too.
16:32
also my understanding is that you don't need to register a copyright, you register trademarks which are copyrighted, but copyright is imposed by your declaration alone ...
could very well be wrong ... not the best at reading that sort of document
You don't even need a declaration, at least in Germany. UrhG protects your work from creation on.
By default, code belongs to you. That's why you need to put a special license if you want to open it.
(oversimplified version)
s/special//
what I am quite sure of, is that having the copyright in every single file is dumb, declaring the license makes sense, having authors makes some sense (but not for legal reasons) ... but having to merge 973 file pull requests every year is not at all sensible ... even though they are simple ...
@JoeWatkins adding the year is utter nonsense
16:38
I wonder if jquery have actual lawyers ... and I wonder if they would reply to direct comms, if we could find out who they are ...
alt. someone go find a cheap lawyer ... to convince people like rasmus, I think we'll need more than "jquery lawyers say it's okay to remove it" ...
@JoeWatkins just look up any resource on the web
And no TWINAL
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Q: Do copyright dates need to be updated?

James JonesEvery now and then I see a web site that has an old copyright date. In my mind, I always think "Look at the sucker who forgot to update his copyright year!" Then, while I was hard-coding a copyright year into the site I'm currently designing, it suddenly struck me: How the hell am I going to re...

yeah, I dunno what that means in practice ... we use a range ...
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