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11:01
"pitted against" - an interesting choice of words.
They asked more about the framework than general knowledge? No questions to get an idea of your ability to learn?
now that I think about it, there were no questions regarding the ability to learn
questions were more about "what do you already know"
Doesn't give a good impression. Interviews are also about whether you want to work there.
the place is good, commute is simple and the money is above average
What kind of work do they do?
11:06
@tereško It sounds like a terrible interview process. One phrase that may be useful to remember in the future for interviews that are going like that is "Guys, you know this interview process is a two-way thing right? What sort of impression do you think you're giving if you don't want to answer any questions about your architecture or deployment processes?"
@Fabor startup, crowd-based loans
it'd be funny if they were using interviews as unpaid consulting to get their questions answered on how to do shit
lol.
actually it looks like the startup is quite successful ... there is that
Is it one of those work longer hours because startups and we'll reward you later things though?
11:08
but yeah, I learned nothing about technical aspects of their project
@PaulCrovella I have never done that, and you can't prove I did.
/actually was on the other side.
well .. ok, not "nothing": php5.5, github, mysql 5.1+, deployment using shell-scripts, symfony2.x, has multiple servers, jira, scrum, bad jquery
that's what I managed to pull out of them
oh, I also got an impression that they havent really worked with other frameworks .. or at least not a majority of the team
Why Symfony would've been a good one to know.
Well they'll probably call you back for another interview or job offer and you can ask then if you wanted.
tjip tjip
probably for the same reason as "why jira" .. because that's what you are supposed to use
anyway, BRB, I need a beer
11:14
Jira is okay. It more or less does what it's supposed to do, and gives middle-managers pretty charts which is why it gets adopted.
Gets shitty with a shitty administrator, but that goes for everything.
> First argument of class_alias() must be a name of user defined class
So no internal classes?
Unfortunately not, would have been nice for aliasing Throwable to Exception before PHP 7.
anyone here use user fingerprinting to improve security?
btw, one of the questions that I was asked was: how would you implement logging
11:24
I plan on using a table in my database with a text blob to log most things. I think you have to be careful to not log too much information though, such as anything sensitive.
output to stderr and then let the sysadmin do his job?
@tereško kick it to syslog, let the sysadmins sort it out
or syslog.
but should all logging really be kicked out to a system log? then you have to parse that if you wish to set up some kind of admin panel in PHP.
those are more of the "where would you log data" answers :P
not "how to implement logging"
11:27
I'm new to development so take my answers / questions with a grain of something.
@Porlune what do you mean by user fingerprinting?
@PaulCrovella class Regex extends DomDocument {} ?
the moment has passed
I run a javascript library on the users browser when they attempt to login that creates a string based on their browser/environment/resolution. Then that value is checked against previous values to see if they are the same. If not then I send the user a notification of the change. If the user is logging in through the automated remember me function then the users saved session data is erased and they're asked to provide their password again.

I store the fingerprint as a hash to make sure we don't actually have the real value stored, so we can't really track our users. And we allow users to
Now I'm wondering if I should evaluate previous fingerprints difference instead of their equality.
@Porlune so, if I resize my browser, it triggers a failure?
11:35
I wonder how often that catches something worthwhile vs just annoys the piss out of someone.
no, resolution isn't the same as your window size.
@paul that's why it's an optional feature too. I haven't exactly tested it in the wild yet.
And off by default.
Anon classes should really have used the implemented interface or extended class instead of the class keyword, would have made it obvious that it creates an object, not a class, but unfortunately, it limits them to extend just one class or implement just one interface, but IMO most anon classes implementing multiple things should be real classes.
@Porlune what if I move the browser to second monitor, which is in the portrait mode?
I'm just overly paranoid about security.
so far all of that doesn't seem to change the value teresko
I've even changed plugins, updated firefox, and removed other plugins.
besides, what makes you think that an attacker could not change the JS variable?
11:38
They can. But what makes you think they can accurately guess the value their victim should have?
who said anything about guessing?
you just listen in on TCP/IP traffic
An xss flaw or an sql injection flaw could reveal the fingerprints.. but if either of those exist then this wouldn't be the attack surface anyway.

listening on to traffic as a MITM could work if I weren't forcing SSL/TLS from the start using a redirect from port 80 to port 443 in my apache2
Hi everyone
11:44
switched to Gigabyte GA-B85N for the build
though, I still need to go through the reviews
12:06
I have a part in my website that shows the steps of getting reputations. (what is named "achievements" in stackoverflow). Now I need to a Persian word equivalent with "achievements", but I can not find any proper word, so, is there a synonim of "achievements"?
@Sajad this is the site I use: thesaurus.com/browse/achievement
.. also really good for naming methods/classes
thanks @tereško
seems great (powerful) website
@Sajad SO calls them Badges actually :P
@Machavity yeah ...
"ordens"
12:13
Probably not a bad idea to come up with some clever term like that, but meaningful in your language
@tereško it is not an English word
could be
The Order of Lenin (Russian: Орден Ленина, Orden Lenina), named after the leader of the Russian October Revolution, was the highest decoration bestowed by the Soviet Union. The order was awarded to: Civilians for outstanding services rendered to the State, Members of the armed forces for exemplary service, Those who promoted friendship and cooperation between peoples and in strengthening peace Those with meritorious services to the Soviet state and society From 1944 to 1957, before the institution of specific length of service medals, the Order of Lenin was also used to reward 25 years of conspicuous...
@tereško google says no ;-)
the word is "Орден" ... it's a russian thing
ah
12:16
soviet union (USSR) was really big on those
@tereško oh btw, you can create your own website and earn up income (money) (I mean is not a personal website, no, I mean is a useful website. and you can make propaganda or sell something and earn up money), instead of give interview and participation in other companies
think about it ... ;-)
it's not that simple
I don't know, but in my country it is not too hard
also if I have your knowledge about programming, I will establish my own company
I saw a TV ad the other day advertising the benefits of opening a business... in Kazakhstan
to establish company you need to know economics and not programming .. or you need to know someone else who knows economics
12:23
You can hire a lawyer
and you can learn economic policy
I have a rule: everyone can learn programming, certainly he can learn anything else (even better than others)
startups require many things market analysis,economics,legal advices etc
@tereško s/finance or financials. For reasons that aren't obvious to me, the word economics only means 'macro economics' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Danack you still understood what I mean
...
yeah. I did. But I'm good at reading people's meaning most of the time.
@Sajad It's not economic policy. What he means is what we'd call in the US "business sense". Not only do you need programming, you need someone to manage the finances of the company and then you need marketing to get people to buy your product/service
12:26
@AnmolRaghuvanshi you can start it simply and develop it later... just start with a website and give some tools and features to your users ... also put a button named "donate" in your website ... then you will earn some money every month
@Machavity ah, yes, agreed, "business sense" is too important
/and more importantly have 'business guy hair'.
it's not that simple how it looks @Sajad
@Danack I dunno. Donald Trump kinda bucks that one
He also makes companies go bankrupt.....
@Machavity isn't it exactly business guy hair?
@Danack that's a side-effect of frequenting development-related chat rooms
I have a friend, he has made a website for finding roommate in different cities (usually for students and alone immigrants). Now he has a really big income. he earn 900$/m !!! and he not doing any work.
@Sajad He's doing work somewhere or he'll be out of work soon. Success breeds competition
@Machavity I think he will not be out of his work, because he is developing his website and his tools. users like his website and always donate it
12:34
@Sajad I wouldn't get far with that income in my country
@Sajad it's like half of "existence minimal" or however that translates
maybe
ok I was wrong its 3/4 that... whatever
Yeah, that's like $5.62/hr (US minimum is $7.25/hr)
:-)
what I'm saying is: it's easier to make a living with international stuff in "poor" countries than in "rich" countries, because of the cost of living obviously
12:36
@Machavity they have been pushing for $10/hr minimum, BTW
@Machavity I told he not doing nothing anymore, he just eat, sleep, game, swim and enjoy of his life ! work is done for him
@Sajad tell him he should keep improving the product or it will slowly die...
@Sajad In your country probably so. $900 is a lot in many countries. I have a friend who likes to vacation in Ecuador and he lives like a king when he does
@MarcelBurkhard okey ...
anyway, I want to say, for somebody like Teresko, choosing a great website idea and creating it is not hard and he can be wealthy without working for other companies.
Anonymous
or so you thought ...
12:39
steve jobs has a great book, I offer read it ...
but you need to have an idea that sells
Anonymous
...and incredible amounts of man hours to build it.
not necessarily, depends on the idea
@MarcelBurkhard yes, usually "a good idea" is really rare! but again, for somebody like Teresko finding a good idea is possible
having an idea is mostly luck in my opinion
12:42
em, luck is important, but it is not all of that
having idea = mostly luck, succeeding with the idea = skill
Youtube API comment: Through API(github-google-api-php-client), am able to insert comment( the text to appends) to youtube but i can see comment is edited. I couldn't figure out why it is so... @ youtube.com/watch?v=Vxepd0TAUNQ any suggestion?
@MarcelBurkhard Like
This question is completely unclear, incomplete, overly-broad, primarily opinion-based or is not about programming as described in the help center, and it is unlikely to be fixed via editing. :P
really I don't know why professional persons in here have not big expectations, They are convinced to small things
12:47
Smart code is nice… but sometimes it's too smart for my needs…
@Sajad "person" in plural is "people"
(it's one of those strange words in english)
Even though there is a "persons"
;-)
@tereško ah tnx
@AnmolRaghuvanshi Not... really
Currying, aggregation, higher-order functions, etc
FP has patterns and idioms too
12:59
those names are to be added in list?
Currying? They do that a lot in Manchester
first time came across these names @MadaraUchiha
@Jimbo do have a job?
@Sajad Yes, I had a job before I finished University lol
Currying: add(1,2,3) => add(1)(2)(3)
13:01
@MadaraUchiha Is that separating the parameters into 3 function calls?
@Jimbo good, your company has a website?! can I see it?
@Jimbo Yes
@Sajad We're not hiring :) lol
But you can of course, it has nothing to do with PHP on it
I don't want to
Has usages for parameter locking
For example (JavaScript):
13:02
Currying, aggregation, higher-order functions, etc <----- these also belongs to OO principles apart from those in list
let addX = x => y => x + y;
@Jimbo good! and is it possible to tell me your income is more than 900$/month or not?
let add5 = addX(5);
console.log(add5(7)); // 12
I doubt is it a good question, if it is not, excuse me
@Sajad Most juniors earn $2000 p/m here
13:04
@Jimbo oh, very good
Gotta bear in mind cost of living though etc
morning NullPointer
Anonymous
Imo, they pay much better in Switzerland.
@samayo please define much better
Anonymous
13:07
much more
Anonymous
I know the minimum one of my colleagues earned was like 6K.
@samayo 6k is really too less i mean seriously .. i am making here 6k and hardly manage all expenses
Anonymous
minimum.
Anonymous
I was paid 1500 when I was an intern. I did nothing mostly learn and play ping pong every 35 minutes.
Anonymous
13:19
Free snacks, drinks even alcohol, no stress, flat hierarchy ( no boss) .. it was all too awesome.
Anonymous
You can come and leave anytime you wanted.
Amy
Amy
Hi Coders :) , can anyone help me on this question stackoverflow.com/questions/33016654/…
Anonymous
You could miss a day of the week, no one gives a damn. Working here is just awesome compared to anywhere I have been.
> asked 18 mins ago
I have the strongest sense of deja vu.
@Jimbo that's what I was promised in the position I interviewed for today
13:21
@tereško Really? Also, how'd it go?
@samayo its always hard to move to another country:)
@samayo The thing you really missed by leaving school early is not pure knowledge, but you failed to learn how to learn when given a good opportunity to do so.
@Jimbo I actually I am not sure. I felt somewhat overwhelmed, since I was pitted against the entire dev-team.
(that was something like 8 people + the management)
@tereško Wow, weird...
Not sure, you can get a job anywhere... I'd go somewhere you'd feel truly comfortable
yeah .. weird .. I am not even really sure if I want to work there after this
13:23
Go with your gut, jobs are easy to come by for us - you get to choose where you work
> "Guys, you know this interview process is a two-way thing right? What sort of impression do you think you're giving if you don't want to answer any questions about your architecture or deployment processes?"
@Danack I remember
I am just repeating since he was not here when I originally mentioned it
@Danack What was this one? I must've missed this...
@tereško more like they want to enjoy rather than hire
.. there is that too
13:25
@Jimbo just scroll up, it was part of the earlier conversation.
Anonymous
@Danack Learning programming is not as easy as you might think, specially without adequate knowledge you can get in school.
And learning how to learn is even harder...
I don't think anyone has learned programming from teachers here
we learned while we were at school (or university)
i didn't even learned at University :(
@Danack My bad, I missed that one, thanks
Anonymous
13:27
Yeah, learning how to learn is really hard. But I have some idea for the next year.
user895378
o/
\o
morning @rdlowrey
@samayo Furniture doesn't make any difference to learning. Have you read PoEAA yet?
Anonymous
@Danack That is the most recommended book to me, but I have yet to read it. I feel I am too noob for patterns and architectures.
Anonymous
13:33
But the board, if used properly can be a great source to learn, organize memorize things.
@samayo "I feel I am too noob for patterns and architectures." - this is exactly wrong. You might not be able to understand it all now, but you will learn little bits from it. And then in 4 months time you can read it again, and understand a bit more.
@Fabor You're going to hate me...
> Good afternoon,

I'm very pleased to let you know that you have won a free ticket to All Your Base conference through entering our raffle at PHP NW! Congratulations :)
DIAF
Ticket's worth £200 ;D
Sunshine PHP 2016 prices go up next week if anyone is thinking of going
13:36
And that's what I meant by you didn't learn how to learn. Having to run head long into stuff you don't understand is forced on you at school. You missed out on being forced to sit down and tackle stuff that you don't think you're ready for, and instead "I did nothing mostly learn and play ping pong every 35 minutes."
Enjoy your drinking alone at the conference then
To extend what @Danack said, I have a college degree. It was useful for teaching me principles about programming but I use very little I learned in college. Instead, i had to go and apply that to languages (Cold Fusion then PHP) I had to work with
Amy
Amy
@Danack hi
please someone review my question
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Q: file upload using jquery progress bar

Amyfile upload is working fine with progress bar, the only problem arise is that if i upload a file then sometimes it uploaded two times in database and folder with different name. langcommerce.php <?php session_start(); include("config/db.php"); ?> <form action="uploadlangcommerce.php" method="po...

@Fabor dick
Anonymous
@Danack yeah, to be fair everyone played ping pong, and I was following along. But, I think I have learned quite much in the past 2-3 years. Considering, I had no idea what programming even meant before that. So, that must have come from somewhere.
13:40
You can have nice London price accommodation too.
@Amy And now some advice for you. You should spend more time writing a clear question, rather than just dumping your code on stackoverflow. A lot of the time, just writing the question out clearly will lead you to the answer, and if not, the clear question will be a lot more likely to be answered aka your questions should include a Short, Self Contained, Correct (Compilable), Example
Hello
@ircmaxell Morning-ping, I'll be available all day so no rush
Hi everybody, i'm using a cron jobs to download my website as static file (with wget) and I just realized that mp4 are not saved...

Here's my wget command :

wget --recursive --no-clobber --page-requisite --html-extension --convert-links --restrict-file-names=windows --domains $domain --no-parent robots=off --wait 0.25 $website -P $savepath
13:42
@JonathanLafleur you can make a script to compress the whole website and download it, like Cloud9
Amy
Amy
@Danack I have mentioned allmost every thing
i have been facing same dilema thnks Danack
"I have mentioned allmost every thing"
@Manulaiko after it has been downloaded as static it's compared with older version I have and update file in my dropbox so it's pushed to device that connect only once a day at night... I don't wan't to update 6 devices with the whole website each night :) I have to do it that way sorry
Putting everything there is exactly what you shouldn't be doing. You should be distilling it to a single thing.
13:44
Why can't Slack be like stack overflow chat and allow you to pick a message to reply?
@JonathanLafleur well, you can send the md5 of the current version and check it in the script
@marcio just over a message and at the end of line there's an reply button...
@marcio Slackware?
@tereško "you was pitted" means you was weak than other member of the team ?
@JonathanLafleur I just see "pin this conversation" and "add a reaction". What am I doing wrong?
13:46
@Manulaiko i'm doing it exactly this way to compate... that's not the point i've asked :P
@marcio go ahead if you want to/have time :) I have no uncommitted changes in my local branch (sorry, I miss some messages sometimes even when I'm online here)
@JonathanLafleur oh sorry :)
@Manulaiko i'm using wget on my mac machine to download the whole website and it's working, but when used on my centos server it's skip video -.-
BTW I've seen some ciccada posts on 4chan, they said they're looking for intelligent individuals...
>intelligence
>in /b/
lel
@JonathanLafleur weird, afaik wget shouldn't have troubles depending on the OS
@Manulaiko that's why i've installed it on my mac and tried it before I push it to my server, and now I was searching why video was not syncinc when they where not even downloaded -.-
13:50
@JonathanLafleur open a bug report and wait for their answer, that's the only thing I can say
I thought this was a bollock free zone...
oh I think I found...
html5 video are not supported, i'll try update wget
@JonathanLafleur wget is aliased to curl on OSX I believe - you might need completely different options.
@Danack no i've installed wget trough homebrew :)
root@yoda [/home/nng/test/system/wp-content/uploads/2015/09]# wget --version
GNU Wget 1.12 built on linux-gnu.
wget --version
GNU Wget 1.16 built on darwin14.0.0.
just need to update my server I think
Abe
Abe
13:55
poor squirrel
ty.
Abe
Abe
is there a better name than "entry" for an... entry in a schedule?
@nikita2206 np ^^
event
Abe
Abe
13:58
event would do it yeah :P thanks. any other ideas?
item?
Or John.
Abe
Abe
item/record/entry i hate them
John :P
@Abe What's the scheduler for?
Going to go then James?
Abe
Abe
employee management mainly, but it's supposed to be open for everything, including personal notes
#programmingwithnospecs
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14:02
@Fabor Don't know mate, I meet good people at these conferences and I like to learn so possibly... Otherwise I might just donate it
global_entry_for_global_prupouses_made_for_employee_management_but_can_be_used_f‌​or_global_use_as_a_global_entry
@Leigh won a ticket too btw.
Abe
Abe
@Manulaiko ahah perfect
posted on October 08, 2015 by aliceljdc

/* by The coding love */

@Fabor If I end up not going, would you be interested in the ticket? You and @Leigh could go
14:13
He offered me his and I declined :P. Doesn't seem like an event I would overly interested in. Would only go for swag.
Maybe try London developers
hwy, anyone knows if it is possible to convert a java funtion to php?
@sguetsch It depends.. if it's just doing simple things that any language can do, sure. You'll have to do it line-by-line. But if it's using libraries written in Java, then you'd have to re-write those libraries line by line
@sguetsch Are you asking about bindings / rewriting it in php?
@Jimbo i have rewirtten a function alread, i only have problems withe the java "list"
@sguetsch Everything is a list in php so that is ok :P
14:24
$result.add($tupel.get($i), $tupel.get($j), similarity($tupel.get($i),$tupel.get($j)));

$result and $tupel were originally list result and list tupel.

any idea how this line would look in php?
> A tuple is a finite ordered list of elements.
PHP has arrays :)
guys are you listening to anything right now?
@Patrick did you mean $this->logger->log?
ah, no you didn't
I know whats wrong, the error reporting is screwed up
14:35
Any wordpress guy here?
I actually posted a question wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/204939/… if anyone can look into it
@Patrick it ignores type errors?
it would be really helpful
@Patrick lol
14:56
yo
@nikita2206 yes but no idea why :(
only null though I think
user924016
@Fabor looks good =]
@ircmaxell Have you found time to work on the refactoring you started?
"how'd" is the same with "how do" ?
15:12
@Sajad Usually means "how did".
And yes, it is confusing :D
@LeviMorrison ;-)
anyway thanks
Often "How'd you do that?"
"how'd it go"? in this context it is "how did", right?
@Sajad Yes.
15:17
ok tnx
@LeviMorrison no
partially because I realized we need to tackle it in pieces
Right.
No pressure, but I'm not touching enums until the refactor goes in :D
What refactor?
types for parameters and returns (as well as anywhere else that uses types)
There were a few ideas for refactoring.
class classname
{
    public $var = 'anythig';

    public function func()
    {
        $this->var = 'new anything';
        return $var;
    }
}

$obj = new classname;
echo $obj->func();       // why nothing does not print? (output is blank)
Because you're saying $this->var, then $var. Only one of those exists
$this->var is that classes' var. $var is limited to the scope of that function
I got it, tnx
I just started a proposal for a new SE site: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/91771/… for PHP programmers, if anyone's interested.
15:41
@popshuvit +1 to why? Rather stay on SO main site.
@popshuvit To address a redundant proposal redundantly... Why?
PHP has a large-enough community to warrant its own site; just like Elementary OS, Linux, etc. And it's not really beneficial to just dump every single programming language on one site... Too much crap to sift through when searching.
disagree
I disagree with you
@popshuvit Learn to use tags.
15:46
I do use tags.
Then you know that PHP developers who ask questions on SO typically mis-use tags. What's to keep them from bringing Javascript questions to your PHP-only site? What's to keep the Ruby on Rails people out? Do you really want to move questions back to SO all day because they're not actually PHP questions?
Then we might as well just shut down every single StackExchange website if that's your logic.
(And yes, I'm serious about the Rails people. They really do tag PHP on occasion, and they even come into this chat room)
@Ghedipunk Bless 'em, they just want to be loved
Astronomy SE is fine. Academia SE is fine. Cryptography SE is fine. I definitely don't want people asking how to kill Hogger to clutter up a software development site, and game programming is language agnostic, but specialized in very different ways from general development.
Maybe if you went down the road of web development, rather than a specific language, you might get less resistance... but PHP issues belong on SO.
Maybe you could adopt all of the questions about web development that are too broad for SO, like "I'm a complete newb and heard that WebSockets could make allow us to utilize and use instant chat. How to do with PHP?"
15:55
@Ghedipunk That's a good idea, but there was this message on the proposal webpage that said we must create proposals only for experts - and those kinds of questions aren't asked by experts, i would assume.
Experts don't ask why they're getting an illegal array offset when they're doing the following, either:
$offset = array(1);
...
much later
...
$myArray[$offset];
But that's a perfectly valid (and often asked, with many, many duplicates) question on SO.

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