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18:00
@Pooyasanaei And as for this comment... Nobody owes you an answer. Do not expect any response. Do not expect the type of response you want. If you start seeming even the littlest bit entitled, you're likely to be yelled at. You're lucky we are even acknowledging your existence after how absolutely rude you've been. Now go away or I shall taunt you again a second time, you smelly English pig-dog. (That last sentence was a movie quote, and is meant as humor.)
@Pooyasanaei "the receiver should accept any session identifier" - where does it say that?
@Ghedipunk he's definitely not a native speaker
That's why the disclaimer and couple of edits.
@Danack A simple attack scenario[edit]
Straightforward scenario:

Mallory has determined that http://unsafe.example.com/ accepts any session identifier, accepts session identifiers from query strings and has no security validation. http://unsafe.example.com/ is thus not secure.
Mallory sends Alice an e-mail: "Hey, check this out, there is a cool new account summary feature on our bank, http://unsafe.example.com/?SID=I_WILL_KNOW_THE_SID". Mallory is trying to fixate the SID to I_WILL_KNOW_THE_SID.
@Pooyasanaei the words "the receiver should accept any" do not appear to be on that page.
18:04
@Pooyasanaei That example is trying to say the exact opposite of what you think it's saying.
That example is not saying "This is how to do it." It's saying "Holy shit, if you do this, All Your User Are Belong To Us."
^^ this. It's demonstrating that accepting arbitrary session identifiers, in this case one in a URL is bad.
And now I have youtube.com/watch?v=8fvTxv46ano stuck in my head. :P
Amy
Amy
is there anyone can help me with htaccess
i think we are supposed to accept (GET) a variable from url and put that in session_id and start session after that otherwise the session fixation attack couldn't happen . am i right ?
@Amy You should write your question before trying to get someone to agree to help you. If you write it in notepad, and then copy + paste it in here, even if no-one can help you now, you will have the question written down and you will be able to re-use it elsewhere aka htp://sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html
Amy
Amy
18:11
0
Q: .htaccess Rewrite rule conflict with other file

Amyi have made a .htaccess file but a problem occurs is that conflicting with other file RewriteEngine On RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d RewriteRule ^f9/([^/\.]+)?$ footer_arts.php?page=$1 [QSA,L] RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f ...

> asked 4 mins ago
Amy
Amy
yup
please someone help me
@Amy Patience is a virtue. Impatience makes people like us not want to help.
@Amy It's a lot better to do that sort of routing in PHP. i.e. just pass requests to an index.php file, and in that file call the appropriate code based on what the URI is. That way you don't need to fiddle with apache routing at all.
18:13
We're mean in here. (Well, we have aggressive filters around what questions we like to answer, because we see so many questions)
Amy
Amy
i will do the same but nothing is happened
closing, because: unclear what is being asked
@Pooyasanaei I suggest just re-reading those articles about 4 times. You appear to just being confused about what it's telling you to not do, with what the countermeasures it's actually recommending. No-one in this room will be able to explain it more clearly that those articles do.
@Pooyasanaei Also, find someone else who can help translate the articles into your native language, and read it together. I suspect there's something being lost in translation.
Amy
Amy
hey coders is any solution for me ???
18:25
11 mins ago, by Danack
@Amy It's a lot better to do that sort of routing in PHP. i.e. just pass requests to an index.php file, and in that file call the appropriate code based on what the URI is. That way you don't need to fiddle with apache routing at all.
@Danack thanks for being polite , im reading it again :-)))
Amy
Amy
@Danack i m new in .htaccess and i dont understand what u say
plz help me
grr.... I should coffee before reading here. So angry.
Why so mad?
@PaulCrovella wrong approach. You should beer before reading here.
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18:33
@tereško E_INSUFFICIENT_LIQUOR
@Amy Find someone who you can sit down with in person, who you can show your code to, who understands what Danack said above. If you don't understand what we've tried to explain to you, then we can not help you.
To put what he said into better context, you should take the Wordpress htaccess and use that. It will send all traffic to index.php where you then use PHP to serve up the proper content based on the URL
@AaronHarding On Windows, "\" is a shorthand for "C:\" or whatever drive you're on, and I wonder if this is related
@bwoebi internal classes sometimes rely on you not fucking with their private properties, and using \Closure::call would let you see into an internal class instance
generally they store info outside of properties
but this isn't always the case
IIRC this wasn't added by me, it came up on internals that you could segfault the interpreter by modifying Exception or something
@bwoebi true, and Nikita might say he's Russian or something
18:53
by the way I should explain something , I don't think asking a question twice could be offensive in all over the word and of course I am not "native". @tereško @Ghedipunk
@Andrea Do they? But then you already have issues with reflection…?
@bwoebi Reflection might prevent this too now. If it doesn't, that's a bug...
one more user in the ignore list ... ehh
19:09
@Pooyasanaei Your culture does not see asking a question twice to be rude. The culture of software developers who enjoy helping each other, on the other hand, see it as being one of the most rude things you can do, short of telling a newb to rm -rf /. Please be aware of the cultural constraints of the group you're adressing.
@tereško I admit that you are more knowledgeable than me .But if you don't wanna answer sb's question, at least respect him.
he is usually arrogant, just move on and don't waste your time ;)
@Pooyasanaei I don't know where to begin without myself doing what I think you shouldn't but... you really shouldn't try and moralize people. Who are you? What moral authority do you have?
Poo... Can I call you Poo? I'll call you Poo.

Poo... What you did is the equivalent of touching someone of the opposite sex on the face with your left hand. In the United States, that's fine. A little odd, but fine. In India, that's offensive, right? In fact, that's three different types of offensive acts rolled into one, if I'm not mistaken...
Anonymous
@marcio He is not arrogant. He is just usually bored, and seeks a bit of conflict to spice things up.
19:37
So, if someone walks up and touches your sister with his left hand, do you have any moral obligation to be nice to them? Sure, you could be nice and help them understand your culture... but most people would just punch the offender in the face.
@samayo that doesn't sound like a mitigating factor.
Anonymous
it's not
ok, you said "he is just..." and I read it as an attenuation attempt :)
Anonymous
meh, he kinda grows on you tbh.
@samayo Human shaped growths, especially of the pale software developer kind, should be check out by a qualified medical professional.
19:46
@nikita2206 did you manage to change the patch regarding the edge cases? I could do it if you wish, but I don't want to traverse your work.
I think you misunderstood . I just asked a question twice(may I was wrong) then I've got bad reactions.I didn't think that asking a question twice could be offensive.I apologize. But I can't get why you are judging and insulting me (@marcio , @FélixGagnon-Grenier) !?
I get: PHP Warning: Cannot bind closure to object of internal class stdClass.
I am using PHP 7.0.0-dev (cli) (built: Sep 14 2015 15:11:06)
@JoelMarcey you should hassle @bwoebi about this.
Anonymous
@Ghedipunk It's an Idiom
19:49
you should definitely read the definition of an insult in a dictionary @pooya. "you are an asshole" is an insult. "you shouldn't lecture me" is a polite way to say something.
can everyone else stop getting meta please?
@Pooyasanaei When you ask a question twice, software developers read that as "I'm more important than you. I'm entitled to an answer. What you're doing right now is stupid because it isn't helping me."
@Pooyasanaei it looks like there is a language barrier here. My advice for you is to just let it go.
sorry 'bout that @Danack
(if that's what you were refering to)
@JoelMarcey the changes that broke that code may have been reverted now - I am not up-to-date with what's going on github.com/php/php-src/commit/…
Anonymous
@Danack - Thanks. Maybe I will try to rebuild and see if I get the same thing.
@JoelMarcey this ongoing discussion seems of your interest github.com/php/php-src/pull/1555
@JoelMarcey @marcio @Danack I think that's an unrelated, dubious check that either @Andrea or Stas added
@NikiC see earlier response to @bwoebi
this was discussed on internals IIRC and I did not add it
you can segfault the interpreter if you violate some internal classes' assumptions
Then it must have been Stas
19:57
@Andrea do you have any repro?
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I didn't mean that you insulted me. by the way , let's finish this useless conversation.
I like segfaults. They're the nicest way possible for the system to tell you to stop mucking around in memory that you don't belong in.
@Ghedipunk that's nice and all, but they're also a DoS vector
@Andrea Very dubious change
There's a bug in the Exception implementation and we go and just forbid it for everything? Bah
20:00
any recommendations for a good miniITX case?
@Andrea From what I can see, if someone can trigger a segfault, they've got the ability to execute arbitrary PHP code anyways, and a DOS is the least of your worries.
@NikiC it's not the only possible problem
I'm not saying let userland PHP code cause a segfault... I'm just saying that it's a nice feature.
@Ghedipunk I don't like the idea of being able to kill all other requests
PHP is multithreaded
@Ghedipunk A segfault does not necessarily result in RCE
E.g. you won't be able to turn a stack overflow or NULL ptr deref into RCE
20:04
IMO PHP should never segfault or whatever
@NikiC they meant that this is a problem you can only trigger by writing PHP code
so...
@Andrea Ah
You could plausibly trigger an SO by exploiting a bad PCRE
Let me clarify... By nice feature, I mean a feature of the OS and CPU, not something that I think PHP should have, because PHP explicitly does not allow pointer manipulation and handles GC itself.
@Andrea there are cases where we can't prevent it without rejecting valid code in the process (Thank you Mr. Turing)
@ircmaxell We should be able to turn SOs into fatals using a guard page after the stack or something
well, for that one case, sure
20:08
What other cases are there?
well, you aren't guaranteed to know the stack size
nor the size of stack frame
and measuring it isn't practical, since it won't remain consistent
20:21
<?php

include("MySQLDatabase.php");

function LogUser(){
if(!empty($_POST['user']) && !empty($_POST['pwd'])){
$con = new MySQLDatabase();
$con->Connect(new mysqli("localhost","root","Csharp@92"));
$user = mysqli_real_escape_string($_POST['user']);
$pass = sha1($_POST['pwd']);
$con->connection->select_db("Test");
$sql = "SELECT * FROM user_table WHERE user = '".$user."' and pass = '".$pass."'";
$result = $con->connection->query($sql);
$rows = $result->num_rows;
if($rows == 1){
header("Location: site.php");
oh god :P
It doesn't seem to redirect to site.php
Please don't use sha1 for password storage. Please use password_hash and password_verify
well then...
20:24
Is that the problem
the hash
it's a problem :P
also, all redirects must be absolute (you need to write a full URL)
Don't put DB credentials inline with your code. Put them a config file, or at the very least, define() them at the top of your script. (And, if you do include the credential in your php files, expect them to be leaked some day.)
Actually, always expect your DB credentials to be leaked anyways.
Expect them to be leaked sooner if they're included in your source code.
Also, is this a 301, 302, 307?
(Have you looked up and come to an understanding between the 301, 302, and 307s? The SEO implication? Browser cache (usability) implications?)
@Ghedipunk that the lesser of problems in his code
@june1992 do you know what "prepared statements" are?
20:28
yeah I'm going to do that
@tereško Without access to any example DB rows in order to see the actual issue they're here to get answered, I'm just throwing out random issues; There are plenty to choose from.
The database is right it has a table of table_user
What happens to your code if there are two rows where the user and pass columns hold identical data?
and also a row
I'm not sure would I be a jr programmer here or some idiot
@june1992 aren't those two synonyms?
20:33
@june1992 Saying "The unique constraint on the table would have been tripped" is a valid answer. I'm not assuming you're an idiot, I'm throwing out possible reasons why that code wouldn't work as expected.
Yes but one has a job and the other works at home doing nothin
I know
2. use prepared statements
header("Location: example.com/site.php";, true, 302);  (Edit reason: Always use TLS)
So instead of querie I use prepared statement
Mean instead of mysqli_query use a prepared statement
@june1992 Yes, PDO with prepared statements is the current best practice, and has been for quite a while.
20:41
I see
So I'm guessing a prepared statement don't apply for mysqli extension
It makes it more difficult to accidentally introduce SQL injections... Not impossible, so keep them in mind still, but more difficult.
That is pretty good advice
@june1992 you can use prepared statements with both mysqli and pdo
mysqli does have prepared statements, so you can use them... secure.php.net/manual/en/mysqli.prepare.php
20:44
However, I personally prefer PDO, because my opinion is: PostgreSQL > MariaDB > MySQL > Any other SQL flavor > No-SQL
no love for percona?
Using PDO makes working with lesser technologies less of a hassle... Especially when I'm finally able to help managers realize their previous failings and have to spearhead the refactoring. ;-)
What are variable placeholders
Is that like $post = $_POST['post'];
@NeoThermic Forks of MySQL have to be significant before I'll form an opinion of them.
20:49
@Ghedipunk Percona is quite the thing
So we should escape the string after it the query
@june1992 watch the video again
<?php
$stmt = $dbh->prepare("INSERT INTO REGISTRY (name, value) VALUES (:name, :value)");
$stmt->bindParam(':name', $name);
$stmt->bindParam(':value', $value);
In that example from the PHP manual, ":name" and ":value" are the variable placeholders.
ohh so with prepared statements we can prevent sql injection by using these placeholders and escaping the string yeah I think I get it
You should not escape them, because they are not parsed as part of the SQL statement. The engine knows specifically that it's dealing with a value, and knows the full bounds of that value.
20:54
so I don't use the escape string method ne more ?
Yes, not for bound values.
aright
Escape anything that you pass into the query that isn't a bound value, of course... SQL injection is still possible... It's just harder to do it accidentally.
please somebody tell me his favorite music ...! I have tired of my musics and I need to download a new one, any suggest ?
bands or genres?
20:59
@Sajad Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto N 1, 1812 Overture, Nutcracker Suite, and Swan Lake Suite.
P. D. Q. Bach, 1712 Overture...
you get point for baroque :)
If it ain't baroque, don't fix it.
"national romanticism" period was nice too (not sure if that's the international term, though)
@tereško I don't know your mean of "genres", but actually does not matter, just introduce me the first your favorite music ...
@Ghedipunk I will download it, tnx
@Sajad genre as in "style of music"
21:02
ah, I like pope and classic style + yanni musics ...
yeah .. then I have nothing to offer, because mine are: metal and post-rock
@tereško The concept translates, if not the specifics... Unfortunately, most people in the US just call all instrumental, orchestral music simply "classical".
Also, Metallica, especially the albums Metallica, Enter Sandman, and Master of Puppets (though I do like some songs on Ride the Lightning).
@tereško what? metal? I liked earsplitting musics already, but not now ...
@Ghedipunk I was referring tho this particular period: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
Deadmau5: Ghosts N Stuff, Superluminal...
Daft Punk: Human After all
21:06
@Ghedipunk It is the name of an album?
Billy Ray Cyrus: Achy Breaky Heart
Some are albums, some are songs.
@Sajad Draconian (metal), Soen (metal), Tessaract (metal), Toundra (post-rock), Long Distance Calling (post-rock), If These Trees Could Talk (post-rock), Eluveitie (metal) .. all names of bands
Tool: Aenima (Song, though the album is good)
^ that too
Nine Inch Nails: Most albums.
21:08
ah
ZZ Top
Led Zeppelin: Absolutely everything of theirs.
Pink Floyd before Waters left
well, actually I need to a music download link (every thing is fine - just I need to a new music)
And a little bit of Floyd after Waters... Division Bell grew on my through repetition.
The Beatles
(I'm a bit eclectic... :P)
@Sajad can you use torrents?
utorrent?
21:10
well, that is one of torrent clients, yes
and yes
My preferred site for downloading music is: rutracker.org/forum/index.php (only you probably will be looking for MP3 and not FLAC versions)
Anonymous
@Sajad also, beemp3.com
John Williams is a good contemporary composer... Lots of recent soundtracks.
Anonymous
not torrent.
21:11
site is in russian (google should be able to help with that), but it's a very good source
@tereško and @samayo thanks, I will download an music randomly from those sites you recommended
don't download at random
that's a really bad idea
so you offer me a music ...
actually I always has listened Iranian music and I'm not familiar with english musics
Yann Tierson, John Coltrane, David Byrne
@Sajad I listed few lines above the bands that I listen to the most
and others have given recommendations too
21:16
@tereško you listed the name of singer and its style. But I need to the name of a music, just one track
hmm ...
Sounds like the job of a collaborative document for people to throw random songs and artists into...
Anonymous
@tereško Do all Latvians speak Russian?
@samayo nope
Name the document "Room 11's random playlist"
21:18
enough emphasis cannot be made on how great JS Bach's music is. <partial> start with the solo violin sonatas and partitas. </partial> @Sajad
Does this look better
<?php
define("HOST","localhost");
define("USER","root");
define("PASS","Csharp@92");
include("MySQLDatabase.php");

function LogUser(){
if(!empty($_POST['user']) && !empty($_POST['pwd'])){
$con = new MySQLDatabase();
$con->Connect(new mysqli(HOST,USER,PASS));
$user = $_POST['user'];
$pass = password_hash($_POST['pwd'],PASSWORD_DEFAULT);
$con->connection->select_db("Test");
$res = $con->connection->prepare("SELECT user, pass FROM user_table WHERE user = ? and pass = ?");
$res->bind_param("ss",$user,$pass);
header("Location: /var/www/html/php/LoginSystem/site.php");
@june1992 that's not how password API is used
Should not be a filesystem path. Should be a fully qualified URL including the domain name.
header("Location: example.com/site.php");
I don't have a website
I just practice
21:22
Then header("Location: http://localhost/site.php");
Well it still donwork
well, time to make it "I just [good] practice" @june1992 :)
Do you have a web server set up?
Yeah I am running lamp
What does "doesn't work" actually mean?
21:24
it doesn't redirect me to the site.php like I want it to
The base has the row of junior and hello
but no use
One minute, heading to pastebin...
make sure you do header location before outputting stuff ?
What do you mean
when content is sent to the browser (this can be just a space or anything) it wont work anymiore
wtf, all music websites are filter ...
21:27
o/
It has a space the Location: localhost/site.php
no I mean content outside of php tags
\o\
It could even be wrong encoding
Should I do Yoda conditionals in this pastebin?
21:29
for example UTF8 with BOM puts an extra character at the start which you can't actually see but this will be sent to the browser as content and thus will prevent header from working
Maybe its database I'm using
dammit, that's like the 3rd time today I was about to do a thing then immediately forgot what it was. I give up.
My packagist repo is not auto-updated, even though I have followed their advice on setting a Github service hook from my github repo. I copied the api key from packagist site, I really think I haven't made any error entering my packagist profile name and entered packagist.org in the domain field. Should I blame caching and think about it again tomorrow?
@Sajad the link I gave you was to illegal torrenting site
not only for music
@tereško yes I understood that
Anonymous
21:35
@FélixGagnon-Grenier go to /settings/hooks that is where you will need to set packagist hooks
and, it's a russian site .. which means the stuff you can find there is a bit scarier than average (you probably can find on it a detailed manual for how to make a shrapnel-bomb)
Anonymous
and the update the repo manually in packagist.
@tereško ok ...
however I downloaded a music right now :-)
thanks @samayo, however the hook seems to be correctly set in /settings/hooks.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier can you link to it on packagist?
Anonymous
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I had the same issue as yours, but I set the domain to packagist.com, checked the active box and entered the token. After this if the test is working, then all is good
@FélixGagnon-Grenier update the url to be just github.com/zvax/parser first.
Anonymous
yeah, the .git part is weird.
Anonymous
Also, force update it once.
@june1992 pastebin.com/cTzMvMyK (Note: not tested, fix any interpreter errors yourself, and be sure to replace the username and password at the top of the script)
Also, June... Are you POSTing these values correctly? (Have you verified through your browser's developer tools that the name and pass POST parameters are being passed, and passed int he way you expect them?)
Anonymous
21:47
After all that time, packagist site still looks dull
I can say I am sure but not posotive
@Danack updated the url to git://github.com/zvax/parser, tried the test, hangs around saying "Okay, the test payload is on its way. " I guess that if successful the message would state explicitely?
forcing update doesn't seem to remove the "package is not auto-updated" message
@FélixGagnon-Grenier nope. it's a bit of a nightmare. All the payload does is trigger packagist to read the data from github, and so there's no debug output of whether it's working or not.
heh :p
I noticed it does take some time when I click update before composer update gets the change. could setting hooks actually be taking some time?
Oh - you have a version in the composer.json. That is bad, for anything going through packagist.
delete that entry, then tag a version 0.0.1 through git and push that tag to github.
21:55
It seems to be working now that is fetching from the database seems
Thanks all
Remember: It is now considered very insecure to use anything except for password_hash() and password_verify() in PHP, prepared statements only help to reduce the likelihood of SQL injections but go a long way in helping, and PDO helps keep the code maintainable in case of architecture changes.
Aright
Also, you should specify 301, 302, or 307 HTTP status codes in your redirects... If you're redirecting after form input, 302 is your go-to status code.
But read up on them and understand them yourself... Browsers LOVE to cache 301's, which lead to lot of developer headaches.
Great, I just earned the obnoxious git Outspoken badge for getting 10 stars in chat from 10 different users.
@samayo hum... I'm scratching my head, but apart from you disliking that practice I'm not sure what you could mean :)
22:08
oh wow
Anonymous
It's ok. Actually, you'll need to re-write your entire code.
Anonymous
@FélixGagnon-Grenier you can start here php.net/manual/en/…
oh. The data I feed in the templates is never taken from untrusted variables.

echo $parser->rendre("template",[
'title' => some_function_returning_safe_sata(),
]);
unless there's something I greatly missing..
should unit tests that use \n in a string check
also check for windows OS and if true, use r\n instead?
Anonymous
@FélixGagnon-Grenier How long have you been using PHP? I thought you were a regular here 2-3 years ago.
22:15
For some years now. for the template engine, I've inspired myself from this
I came from very far.
btw the 0.0.1 appeared on packagist.
yeah. I clicked the update button manually :(
that being said, I should have known better than follow an old thing from 2009 @samayo
@EquinoxMatt My oracle machine says "Reply hazy. Ask again later"
@EquinoxMatt A more serious answer: It depends entirely on the format that the source of the data generates. Don't overcomplicate things.
@Ghedipunk I asked your oracle and it said "Outlook good" which is obviously bullshit.
for next projects I'll follow ircmaxwell's general advice and learn mustache.
22:19
Well, if you see learning as a form of success, and failure as the greatest of teachers, then "Outlook good" is always a great answer.
Anonymous
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I suggest you re-write what you have already on github :)
@Ghedipunk Fair enough. I was using a package and ran it tests to learn a bit more about unit testing - and then 3 tests failed
all to do with \n's
they were failing on Windows due to the use of \r\n instead
rewrite it to not use extract? or to sanitize data? @samayo
@Ghedipunk but then wondered if it was worth patching it and doing a pull request
PHP_EOL might be a valid substitute, or it might cause different headaches later on.
22:22
not using extract is never not a good idea
ahh, good suggestion
Anonymous
@FélixGagnon-Grenier The whole thing. I'm sure @Danack will back me up on this.
that is a constant which is defined and changes depending on platform?
Anonymous
@FélixGagnon-Grenier did you even merge my PR?
hum... I see no pull request. on the parser?
22:24
@samayo Nope - although I avoid using extract, it seems safe in that context.
Anonymous
@Danack I mean, the entire lib. I suggested, he re-write it, before starting another project.
Anonymous
I see a lot of room for improvement.
Anonymous
github.com/Zvax/rzn/pulls @FélixGagnon-Grenier
@EquinoxMatt Yes, it changes depending on your platform. Obviously leading to less-than portable code unless you know you're working with text-mode files that are converted during transfer to the platform's standard, such as being FTP'd in ASCII mode.
@Ghedipunk - thank you for the info!
22:27
@samayo i) You're talking to a guy who has about 8 projects on the go, none of which are finished. I'm not going to be a hypocrite. ii) If the library works for him, then it's met it's goal and doesn't need to be improved. iii) having random people give unsolicited advice about code is not as appreciated as you think it might be.
yeah, I'm always on a great struggle on should I use french or english words for functions and variables.. I think over time I'll probably think english is better, so why not now... @samayo
English is better for any given purpose? Since when?
for example, the parser class. having a render() function would be better than the rendre() french equivalent
I'd hazard most interfaces for rendering things have a render() function
@Ghedipunk since the british empire went ham on the world and some of the colonies needed an effective way to tell them to fuck off
2
oh, you weren't serious. didn't catch that @Ghedipunk
22:32
See? English is even bad at written sarcasm. ;-)
@Ghedipunk yeah, it really is.
(That, or I'm the one who's bad at using English effectively enough to get my point across... ;-) )
didn't yet realized I did political coding :p @PaulCrovella
in any event, thanks for the time @samayo @Danack but got to go now. laters @all
Anonymous
@Danack fair enough. good to know
Anonymous
laters @FélixGagnon-Grenier
22:35
btw no offense taken @samayo :)
Every language has its problems. English just happens to be the last Celtic language syntax-wise, but consisting primarily of Latin based vocabulary... which is why noun-adjective ordering is different from the other European languages.
but @Danack is quite right, it works well for now
@Ghedipunk No - it's not celtic, danshort.com/ie/iecentum.htm
In a surprising turn of events, even though Celtic used to be spoken in the British isles, the people who are now called Britons invaded and took their land.
Who could ever imagine the British people doing a thing like that.
The Angles... and the Saxons... and the Normans... And the....
I was about to say "Beans" but your edit ruined the joke.
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(Were the Normans different enough from the Franks to be classified as non-French before the Norman Invasions? Certainly, after mixing with the Britts, they're different...)
@Ghedipunk Yes. Normen == North Men aka descendants of Viking settlers I think (have to check) whereas Franks == mainland Europeans.
Then what period am I thinking of, when some of the French invaded and took over England, then got assimilated into the English culture to the point where they weren't considered French anymore by the mainland French?
Normandy still isn't considered particularly French....They don't even drink wine there.
Well, not as much. Way more cidre.
Ah, so still across the English Channel. Previous head-cannon intact, but with updated details.
 
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fyi Github appears to be having an outage...pushed updates not getting through to website.

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