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16:00
@DaveRandom No you set the post afterwards, but GET before, I think... (it was stupid and incredibly poorly thought out)
@DaveRandom In principle it looks good but I'd like to give it a proper look through once you've moved the magic out (I feel the client may be doing too much when it comes to generating OAUth stuff, perhaps an OAuth generator or something... or even use an external lib
Yeah the example is correct cc @DaveRandom. Strange API but correct\
@Jimbo Yeh but both sets of values are used in calculating the OAuth signature?
@BenjaminGruenbaum When in September?
@DaveRandom One is used in cURL somewhere later on and the other isn't, I can't remember exactly what it was but there was a reason for GET being before and POST being after
@Jimbo I was thinking both of those things myself. I'm just going to write it how it looks like it should be written based on my reading of your old code, and then see if it works/in what way it doesn't work
16:04
@ircmaxell I don't know yet - we won an IBM hackathon and it's possible that this is the prize we won (it's the first prize, and we know we got top 3) (Trip to NY and a visit to their offices and a seminar). If we go and if you're there I'd love to buy you a beer.
It doesn't help that I don't really know the problem domain at all, I'm somewhat refactoring without actually knowing what the code does, which isn't usually going to work out so well
posted on June 15, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by fil090302 */

@ircmaxell was the point of that bf you pinged me with basically code which does nothing but takes a very long time to do it, and therefore a good candidate for a short code fragment with the potential to apply quite complex analysis and optimizations? I ran it and it was 3000000+ ops (with all my current optimizations) to output "OK" - I got bored of waiting for it to finish with no optimizations turned on
@BenjaminGruenbaum definitely. In early september I am away, but I get home the second week
Awesome, will keep you updated :)
16:11
@DaveRandom precisely
@ircmaxell Speaking of buying beers... you like old fashioned, right?
@ircmaxell OK cool, I'm going to attack the AST later this week so I'll take a look at it when I've fully wrapped my head around that
old fashioned? As in the drink? Or as in the style of beer?
The drink.
@DaveRandom I wrote a full implementation last week, going from code to tokens to AST to graph to opcodes. With a simplistic optimizer as well. If you'd like to see it (or if you'd want to go on your own that's cool too)
@Sherif yeah, I do like them, as long as they are decent
16:16
heh, k. Was trying to remember if that's what you ordered that one night or I was just imaging things.
American Whiskey makes very good old fashioneds
@ircmaxell I'll come back to you when I've looked at it myself. I certainly would like to see it, but not until I've had a proper look at it myself so I don't get caught in the trap of getting someone else's high-level way of thinking before I've got at least a basic grasp of the low-level concepts.
@ircmaxell Yea it was that place on 30th whose name eluded me :)
You can run make test TESTS=path/to/ext/ldap
Yep, it usually takes running make test a good four or five times before you start wondering if it's possible to just run a specific test(s) :)
I ran into that one a few years back ... and the test suite ran a lot slower back then.
16:22
Had this last week (old fashioned) was quite good, had around 4
They're kinda strong though if you're not used to drinking bourban.
I'm more of a rum and coke kinda guy ...
@DaveRandom It's a piece of piss... it makes an OAuth request, but the user has to provide the URL, whether it's GET or POST, and any parameters. That's it... lol..
Might as well use an OAuth lib.. but this has Twitter in the name, people have used it for twitter's 1.1 api as it requires OAUTH
Reason people like it is it's a single file include and it just works
@DaveRandom yup, makes sense.
@BenjaminGruenbaum you don't mix scotch. Scotch is for enjoying, not ruining
@ircmaxell I don't mix my scotch, but when I'm at a cocktail bar and they mix it I'm ok with it.
It's actually at a place called "Imperial Craft Cocktail bar" which a conference I spoke in took us to - apparently it's the best bar in the middle east and in the top 50 best bars in the world.
I drink my Talisker clean :)
16:39
@Sherif I've just been doing it by manually invoking run-tests.php until now
@Jimbo Yeh I've purposefully structured it so that this will still be the case for people who want to use the monolithic class. What's your min supported PHP version for it? I'm going for 5.4 but afaik the only thing that I've used that needs 5.4 is short array syntax
@Jimbo I'm going to look at the OAuth side of things properly when I've done the HTTP client and BC wrapper. I don't actually know very much about how OAuth works underneath, I'll evaluate it when I get there. If you're happy with it as a base for a new version, you can pull my 2.0 branch into your repo and I'll just work on it there if you want. I certainly don't want to have to PR that against master when it comes to it, or history will start getting weird.
@DaveRandom 5.3.*, a lot of newbies on shitty shared hosting use it
@DaveRandom When it comes round to it I'll just add you as contributor on github
@Jimbo k, don't think there are any real issues with that
@Jimbo Why not put several classes in the same file. I mean it is kinda crappy, but it works better than a single class
@PeeHaa Meh, working on a proper v2 with a BC class that exposes the same API. That file can just have all the necessary requires at the top and everyone else can use it properly.
with flights currently planned, I'll have flown 73588 miles this year... Just need to get like 1500 more for Platinum status
16:54
What do you get for that?
(and is it worth the cost of a pointless return flight to Europe?)
1500 miles is a pointless domestic return (2it's 2500 miles to San Francisco one way)
and yes, I'll take a flight in December to get Platinum if I need to
I'm sure you'll be coming to phpnw :-P
I don't know
if I do, then I'll get more miles than I need
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17:14
In … brainfuck. My god.
@BenjaminGruenbaum Isn't this the same thing as that wordpress backup download? :)
Yeah, I link to that for idea in the repo
oh yeah reading...
:D
I figured "if 64mb, why not the world?"
A great way to kill someone's mobile bandwidth when they aren't paying attention
17:20
:)
@BenjaminGruenbaum looks good to me :-D
Hehe, I figured they'd have a limit
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@BenjaminGruenbaum Nice ... though I'm not sure why a server would want to "DoS" clients :)
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maybe if hijacked for the lulz
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must be nice to program in a strictly client-side world where you never have to think about things like malicious parties on the other end ...
17:24
My last 2 days were (really interesting) discussions with Mark Miller and Danny Dolev - I'm practically living in a world where everyone is mutually suspicious and smarter than me :D
user895378
Sounds like just my kind of paranoia.
user895378
I'm suspicious of everyone and secretly concerned that everyone is actually smarter than I am.
Yeah, I also get that feeling often… But well… that's just because everyone has their specific areas of great knowledge, but only modest knowledge everywhere else…
Hence not being alone ends up as a smarter group.
woohoo #2 in HN
17:44
@BenjaminGruenbaum #1 for me.
Yeah just saw, nice.
Didn't think people would care that much
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@VeeeneX meh
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@BenjaminGruenbaum dude, if you ever want shameless upvotes for something on HN or reddit feel free to ask for them here :)
17:51
hahasure
will do.
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(helps get things off the ground)
Yeah, sounds like a good idea
posted on June 15, 2015 by kbironneau

/* by Henry Mitchell */

18:14
@VeeeneX no, I am not implementing Arnold
@ircmaxell Be sure to read the PDF linked in the description!
I've seen it
The PDF is obviously way more informative.
It gets me every single time.
18:23
Lunch?
I don't get it.
lunch?
That's what ארוחת_צהריי means in Hebrew.
ah
it's RTL
meaning the assignment is flipped
It was the line you highlighted. I assumed you had some point to make.
@ircmaxell Yea, that's how you read Hebrew.
Arabic too.
Nice #favicon work by Benjamin Gruenbaum. He also filed bugs for both Chrome and Firefox. https://github.com/benjamingr/favicon-bug https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9720665
18:28
@Sherif the point was RTL identifiers are likely a bad idea
Now the real question is will that return statement shift left or right ;)
precisely
user924016
mornings
@ircmaxell Ahh, got it. I knew I there had to me some point
:)
19:11
hummmmm.... I'm inclined to disallow callable(string, int) - $arg omission - and do a separate RFC for it wrapping interfaces too. Allowing argument omission just for callable types seems very inconsistent. Thoughts?
callable(int) // allowed \o/
interface X { function x(int){} } // disallowed :(

^ this makes my OCD scream. We should allow it everywhere or nowhere.
Is anyone running mac OS in VM on windows 8, Fedora 21 or Ubuntu 12.04?
huh?
what's disallowed where?
and morning room.
@marcio I agree, it should have to be callable(string $string, int $int).
19:16
then fix it to make it available everywhere
I really don't want to see callable(string $neverusedvar, int $anotherneverusedvar)
That's what I'm talking about, but on a separate RFC because it's orthogonal to callable types.
@marcio If you can change normal interfaces to omit arguments, then callable(string, int) looks better.
yup
But if you can't... then my OCD agrees with your OCD.
I think callable(string $neverusedvar, int $anotherneverusedvar) is worse than the OCD of interfaces having variables
19:19
@ircmaxell In that context, it's basically the same as an interface.
You're specifying a prototype for a particular function rather than a method prototype.
yes, but in this case the prototype is in a function argument syntax, along side real code
@ircmaxell Yeah, that's a good point. callable(string, int) is probably better even if interfaces aren't updated.
@ircmaxell are you sure that it's worse? I think we always should require variable names in the spirit of self-documenting signatures
@bwoebi except that the variables will be in a live signature, but never populated
@bwoebi the informational bit is not always needed
19:24
function foo(callable(string $bar, int $baz) $biz, int $bar) {
    //$bar is an int, and $baz doesn't exist in scope
}
@ircmaxell sure… when you declare a Closure in your scope, the args aren't available in parent scope either…?
@bwoebi yes, the arg names serve as information for the callable implementations but it's often unneeded in many contexts.
@bwoebi yes, but they are available in the next block, which they are not here
@marcio Well, you're probably right
anyway, this brief discussion tells me that updating interfaces for consistency should be addressed separately despite the OCD factor.
19:30
#poll A or B: function A(callable(int, string) $cb, int $x) {} function B(callable(int $a, string $b) $cb, int $x) {}
@marcio I'd rather do that first
@ircmaxell answer: depends on context.
@bwoebi yes, separately and first.
@bwoebi elaborate?
@ircmaxell with callable(string, string), probably I want to know from signature what is placed where … like callable(string $haystack, string $needle)… If I have just callable(Throwable)… yeah, then it doesn't have a lot of additional value to add $throwable
(or even int, string… not always obvious just given the rest of the function signature what the int and the string will be)
@bwoebi eih, to me that's a documentation distinction
@ircmaxell I'm torn. I prefer A given the state of things today, but if we ever get named parameters it has to be B.
^^ valid point
though I am not a fan of named parameters... So...
19:35
@ircmaxell oh. well, why don't we then just function(string, string) { /* work with $arg[0] and $arg[1] */ } … we don't need names anyway…………
@ircmaxell Named parameters only depend on the definition of the function, not a prototype, correct?
@ircmaxell also, as you can change the variable names through the inheritance levels, that point is moot…
@Trowski the answer is: depends
@bwoebi that's an argument-ad-absurdium
the point is the variables in the signature are completely ignored 100% of the time. Meaning they are pure documentation, they have no runtime or compile time value at all
But if using named parameters with a method defined by an interface, those parameter names should be defined by the interface ... hmm...
@ircmaxell just like variable names in interfaces. I'm happy that we have them… I'd maybe sometimes wish I could leave it out because it doesn't deliver any value, but essentially it makes things easier to read.
19:38
@ircmaxell ... for interfaces, abstracts and prototypes.
There is a reason why in C header files we usually copy variable names…
@Trowski huhh, named parameters bring so much issues.
@marcio well, those are different because they are never mixed with implementation. Signatures like this are
I'm okay with making it optional, but I would disallow variable names there.
unless we just support both
19:40
@ircmaxell Certainly B
In the majority of cases the parameter name provides a lot of valuable information
yes, but in this instance it also provides confusion since it's not actually available in scope
So what
I just find it confusing
It also helps when the function is refactored from function A(int, int) to instead be function A(int, int).... where the parameters have been reversed.
@ircmaxell Also how is that supposed to work for untyped parameters?
19:43
@Danack I think that's a straw argument, since we all know documentation isn't really available
function map(callable($key, $value) $cb, $iter)
@NikiC ... that's a point
@NikiC callable($, $) // lol
function map(callable(,) $cb, $iter) ^^
callable(_, _)
19:44
@ircmaxell I like functions which just are so obviously self-documenting that they don't need a docblock… signature says it all.
I'd prefer $ ninja anonymous variable
@ircmaxell is that a smiley?
@ircmaxell In that case, do a typedef.
For callbacks its usually best anyway
@NikiC fair enough
Doing them inline is pretty ugly, especially with return type
19:46
so that means we need typedef support. @LeviMorrison I'm looking at you :-)
@NikiC you just reminded that we have to reserve these words
@marcio I'd rather avoid making new syntax and just require the parameter name.
@marcio which words?
typedef or type IDK what Levim has in mind
we may not need to reserve them
19:47
okay, one less trip on the mailing list
just in that we may be able to do some trickery with other pre-reserved tokens
I'm not sure about typedefs… my experience is that it generally just adds an extra level of indirection, especially for callbacks.
@bwoebi the point is that they will be there anyway if we get union types
function interface foo(int $abc, string $def): int;
function bar(foo $cb) {}
though...
It's not like we will be unable to reserve any new keywords in 7.1 … Or do we really want to be that strict that we stop any new ideas for a few years each time after a new major?
19:49
typedefs would be an 8 feature
@ircmaxell function interface? o_O
@ircmaxell why?
@bwoebi because 8 shouldn't be far off. We should be treating it as if it's coming, because it is
@ircmaxell my B plan in case union types doesn't pass is callable foo(int $i) : int;
@ircmaxell So we're taking the Firefox/Chrome approach to versioning?
@ircmaxell you really think we will have an 8 before … like end 2017?
19:51
That seem like bad idea...
@ircmaxell heh, never noticed the typehints are backwards in Go
@bwoebi I think end of 2017 is reasonable
@NikiC Did you see the question Dmitry asked you on the mailing list?
@ircmaxell That quickly? I wouldn't expect it before 2018…
@Trowski Ehm… You mean his most recent mail? … There Nikita isn't even in CC list…
@bwoebi Actually I meant the one pertaining to Throwable, I didn't even notice the most recent one.
19:59
oh
I need to use a C# function in a linux PHP script
One way I found is to create an .exe using mono, then use exec()
just wondering if there is a better way
because this way requires me to install mono on the ubuntu server
if C# has C binding, you could do it as a PHP module… but otherwise, no.
This is gay
I have opened a question to use as a duplicate guide and got closed before being even able to mark it as a duplicate.
which... for one makes me doubt the non-automated nature of the action that's been taken.
"Browserify's undefined behavior is undefined."
@GajusKuizinas Why did you open a new question?
20:09
@PeeHaa I have posted this question as a reference point with intention to closing it as a duplicate to stackoverflow.com/questions/4175630/… (which I have not found using Google). – Gajus Kuizinas 6 mins ago
So my question: Why open a new question? :)
guys?
@PeeHaa to close it as a duplicate and allow people to discover the issue via Google
or via other search means for that matter.
Because the "original" question is poorly phrased, both the title and the description.
Well fix the original question :)
@bwoebi well, freeze at least
20:12
@ircmaxell so, yeah… We probably will have a 7.1 first…
@PeeHaa Overhaul edits are rarely approved.
in which some useful features can go in…
@bwoebi and likely a 7.2
@GajusKuizinas Well what was your plan. Closed questions without answers will be deleted anyway after some time AFAIK
if it was completely up to me, I'd do a major every 3 years, with 2 minors in between
20:14
Also I can find the question just fine in my google :)
Without language and with php tag @GajusKuizinas
every other major would be a LTS (long term support) with the final minor. So 8.2 would be a LTS release, maintained for bugs for 4 years and security for 6 (total)
@ircmaxell I'm not sure if I'd want to work for up to 6 years with the two-majors-old codebase…
@ircmaxell Also… generally LTS releases enforce slower adoption, at least in my experience…
but they also enable long-term investment, which is good
I like to leave that to distro maintainers…
@ircmaxell long-term investment… from who? in which way?
@Trowski "Users may wish to use set_error_handler() to throw objects extending Error in their code for non-fatal types of error." WUT
No, no, they do not wish to do that
They wish to throw ErrorException
20:24
@bwoebi businesses
@NikiC I wouldn't prevent them from throwing those objects, but I wouldn't encourage it
@ircmaxell Yes, I would not prevent anyone either
@ircmaxell do we [the PHP core devs] care?
It just seems like absolutely the wrong suggestion to put into an RFC
@bwoebi we should care
@NikiC definitely agree
@ircmaxell why?
20:26
@bwoebi we're developing something we're asking devs to adopt. We either need to realize the realities of the industry or try to change them. Ignoring them is bad
@ircmaxell well, isn't it what wer'e doing? Forcing them to change by our "short" [I don't call three years short … even in industry it's plenty of time] maintenance period
@bwoebi forcing them, without giving them incentive to
If we were to offer 20 year LTS, businesses just would use it and never upgrade.
I'm not talking about FW devs here
@ircmaxell sec fixes?
20:28
@bwoebi I'd love that.
@bwoebi and why is that a problem?
@FlorianMargaine yeah… you'd love to work on a crappy 4.1 codebase today, right?
@bwoebi if it had security fixes? Definitely.
@NikiC I can certainly remove that, though it was suggested by someone in this chat to be added, lol
@ircmaxell because we're targeting devs too, not just the businesses.
20:29
The average website is rebuilt (massive redesign or rewrite) every 3-5 years. Having a 3 year maintenance window mandates that PHP must be upgraded during the active life of the website
@bwoebi without the businesses, devs can't use it
@NikiC Just seems odd to have fatal errors throw Error, and non-fatal throw an Exception.
that said, 5-years LTS is fine by me
3 years is too short imho :/
@Trowski non-fatals (recoverables) throw error as well
@FlorianMargaine You would like to work on that codebase or you'd like to not have to port it?
@bwoebi both
20:31
@ircmaxell It doesn't really pertain to the RFC, so I'll just remove.
@FlorianMargaine seriously…
@bwoebi 20 years old code means the business has a cash cow
is there 20 years old php code out there?
@bwoebi I think you're missing an important context about professional development. Not every codebase is actively developed. Many are written, deployed and receive minimal maintenance for the rest of their life...
@bwoebi If I had a business running some php application instead of developing a php application I would love LLTS
LongLong that is
20:32
@FlorianMargaine I asked whether you'd like to work on the code… not whether you'd like to work at that business.
doc.rust-lang.org/book/… <-- intresting solution without requiring a typedef
@bwoebi it wouldn't bother me so much... of course I'd prefer working on new shiny code, but that's because php sucks
@PeeHaa sure. Assuming that you never need to change the code once bought.
I wouldn't mind working on 20 years old lisp code
@ircmaxell how do you reuse F definition?
20:34
@FlorianMargaine because LISP didn't change that much in the last 20 years? ;-D
@bwoebi exactly :)
it already had all the shiny stuff php got in 7, and much more
I totally agree.
@marcio you don't, it's local to the function
@bwoebi Uhhhm changing code in that case is waaay cheaper then building it from scratch
IMO PHP isn't mature enough for such LTS versions.
And/or rewriting it for thenew version
@bwoebi adoption rates dictate otherwise
^
last year, I worked on 13 years old php code
and it was running on php 5.2, being migrated to php 5.3
it was a pain
@ircmaxell I'm not saying that PHP isn't quickly adopted, but the language itself still isn't really mature.
@ircmaxell oh, I'd like typedef primarily as a way to reuse the type
20:37
@bwoebi depends on your definition of mature
@mtdowling That's very interesting... A novel solution to that problem. Though I think I'm more a fan of a named typedef-style approach.
(typedef or whatever form of declaration)
@ircmaxell to a point where there aren't major additions every 1-3 years.
especially for a language.
@bwoebi I don't think it ever will, or should
it every will ?? That part makes no sense to me?
@ircmaxell Imho that's something really different
The where is only a constraint on a generic parameter
20:39
LISP has been stable for > 20 years because it's a meta-programming language. Quite a large barrier to entry, and a lot of devs simply don't/can't "get it"
@ircmaxell heh… C is also very stable… it gets updates in 6-10 year cycles or so.
@NikiC and in-practice, how is that different?
Common Lisp, not LISP
@bwoebi we have very different definitions of stable
20:41
@ircmaxell It's similar to the difference between fn foo(x: Fn(i32) -> i32) and fn foo<T>(x: T) where T: Fn(i32) -> i32 in Rust ^^
@ircmaxell nah, generally we don't… just in this context to differentiate between updates every 5+ years and updates faster than every 3 years…
@NikiC except the type of T is inferred in the first one
@ircmaxell hm?
@bwoebi also it's not fair to compare PHP's major version schedule to C's. Because we're not talking about Lang - Lang, but Implementation - Lang
@NikiC Removed suggestion about set_error_handler(), since which object to throw depends on usage and you're right, it shouldn't be in an RFC, making it sound like it is best practice.
20:43
@NikiC you can call the second foo(|x| x + 1), you don't need to resolve the generic parameter, it can infer it
@ircmaxell Yes, of course
@ircmaxell we're basically changing the lang each year with a new minor. … And that's what I'm comparing to… Or is there some mistake I do?
so while yes, it is a generic, in this case it's not really important that it's a generic, that's more of an implementation detail...
@ircmaxell Of course it depends on the details of the generics system, but at least for Rust those are very different
@bwoebi most of the changes are in the standard library. While we do make language changes, there's nothing saying we need to
20:45
@ircmaxell meh, C++ is worse imho
@ircmaxell oh, we never need to. We also just could have an eternal 5.4 from the language support.
@FlorianMargaine until C++14 I would agree with you, but they are getting better
@bwoebi I'm not even sure what you're arguing at this point
@ircmaxell I mean for the meta-programming stuff, C++ has quite a high barrier too
@ircmaxell Maybe best to stop that discussion now, when we diverge in our discussion…
if you take the hardest features, of course it's a high barrier. Lisp has plenty of not-hard features, is what I meant to say.
20:47
@FlorianMargaine well, I feel that you can keep to a subset of C++ and have it all make perfect sense. But you can't really do that with LISP. At least that's my perception of it
@ircmaxell you can
@ircmaxell and stop uppercasing it :P
@FlorianMargaine fair enough. I don't have a ton of experience with lisp, so...
@ircmaxell I made a project recently (~1k lines) with not a single macro (I didn't need them, really), so it's definitely feasible
interesting
common lisp?
20:52
very cool
my last project, however, definitely relies on a macro... and I have to say, it's much more fun :D
21:20
ROFL: twitter.com/search?q=spotify%20icon%20color&src=typd who would have thought that a subtle color change could earn you a shitstorm
The new spotify color no longer matches my phone icon and it really bugs me. 😒❌😡👿 http://t.co/ppErKyVlEz
@ircmaxell there is dozens if not hundreds like that
wow
just wow
Ummm @Spotify I will delete you so fast if this new icon color is still there on your next update. http://t.co/nhcxibuP7h
I am crying tears. this is so funny.
spotify's new icon color makes me physically ill ??
spotify just updated their app icon color and completely ruined the harmony of my home screen gonna take like hours for my eyes to adjust
that's what I call first world problems
no, that's not first world problems
that's idiot world problems
21:24
:)
I have a hunch that Spotfiy's devs are out to see how many features they can remove and how much they can annoy their users before they go bankrupt. They already annoyed a lot of people with the way they implemented Connect around Xmas, and with a bunch of "UI updates" that removed useful features
@Gordon Shiite Apple consumers.
Ahaa : “The evolution of #SoftwareArchitecture” http://bit.ly/1JPD1k1 http://t.co/0p3KatEpPy
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@NikiC callable(mixed, mixed) could be used for untyped parameters.
21:41
@marcio it looks like every other page on the internet
@marcio ???
gorgeous_new_website
@Trowski ending the voting phase in time for next alpha seems fortunate :)
specially because github.com/sebastianbergmann/phpunit/issues/1748 is preventing many people to move on.
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