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16:12
why i can''t grab lines after connected to mailserver using telnet is, cmd opens a new window for the telnet connection. any suggestion on this?
You're spamming now. :)
bleh string get_class ([ object $object = NULL ] )
why php why?
I just had a huge WTF moment because of this
when I did get_class($this->client->getRequest())
because that returned null
and then it returned the name of the class it was called in
Weird, can you post reproducible code?
ok, thanks for the help
@Leri its "expected" behavior
its just that an average person wont expect it
16:20
@DaveRandom thanks for the effort ...
@Gordon didn't know the argument was optional D:
@Gordon When does it return null? I don't see where that would be "expected".
@Ocramius yeah, me neither. completely unexpected for me.
@Gordon I know that. I am asking about: because that returned null get_class should never return null.
If it does I suspect that's bug.
@Leri yes, of course, Foo:getBlah isnt supposed to return null. In the code where I am using it, it is supposed to return an object. Just that it doesn't.
and then all of a sudden get_class tells me the name of the calling class
thats the unexpected thing
16:25
@Gordon btw parameter reflection is similarly crappy. when you reflect a closure that has been created in a class, getDeclaringClass of the parameters of that closure....return the class that it was declared in, rather than null.
making the argument to get_class optional is a pointless convenience "feature" in my book
@Gordon With functions like that you should always do null checks. However, I agree that's broken api.
Which means the behaviour untestable in PHPUnit, because all the tests have to be inside a test class.
@Danack which is where I noticed it
it gave me the name of the test class when I was expecting a Sf request object
@JoeWatkins I thought you'd like it.
16:37
@hek2mgl why don't you ask me here? :D
16:47
hi, did someone use HWIOAuthBundle in sf2.5?
Current status:
0
Q: HWIOAuthBundle and FV login

СашаI'm trying to use HWIOAuthBundle(without FOSUserBundle) in sf2.5. I've done such steps: 1) Installed it using composer add bundle to kernel import recources in routing.yml hwi_oauth_security: resource: "@HWIOAuthBundle/Resources/config/routing/login.xml" prefix: /login hwi_oauth_redirect: ...

Built a new horror today: github.com/Ocramius/Instantiator
@Ocramius why is that a horror?
when you need that functionality, that's fine. It's needing it that's the horror
@ircmaxell I just like building libraries for things that shouldn't be done :P
but yeah, I have use-cases
16:56
same here :-)
Also: PHP 5.6 breaks it =_=
 
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18:29
subtype or subType?
s_uBty_pE
subType()
@DanLugg sub is a prefix and isn't a word by itself, so subtype.
E_CONFLICTING_OPNIONS
I think I'll go with s_uBty_pE
filename or fileName is the one that always gets me.
18:33
Ooh.. yea. I do fileName, as well as filePath
I know I was right
One day, I won't be surprised when my code works. Today is not that day.
We should author a compendium of "Letter Casing of Common IT Terms" subtitled "Quit Wasting Time Thinking About This Shit and Follow Our Standard"
^ both titles are crap. abbreviate them - you see? senseless. They should sound like "SOLID" or "REST"
CASE - Capitalizing And Segmenting Expressions
18:37
better
@ircmaxell & @Danack Any particular reason for your respective choices?
As I said, sub isn't a word by itself.
Oh yea, you did say that.
if serious, I'm with @Danack. "sub" is just prefix, not sufficient word
Much like the word "preFix" itself.
18:39
Much like the word "preFix" itSelf.
I'm with @ircmaxell. While sub might be a prefix I think subType is easier to read
What about when it isn't subtype but subsomeOtherLongerWord
2-2 :Ъ
More controversially though, I prefer to keep abbreviations with the same case across the abbreviation. e.g. httpRequest property and getHTTPRequest() method name.
No one else seems to like that.
^ almost same here
I've always been on the fence about abbreviation case
18:42
Abbreviation case rules are pretty easy for me. Capitalize the first letter. PdoConnection, HtmlParser, Rfc2616Compatible, DbFactory
I hate the DOM prefixing.. especially for DOMXPath
DomXPath or better, DomNavigator
Clashes with people named Dom though.
DomPérignon::quaff()
ThW
ThW
@DanLugg not DomXpath?
No, the "X" is it's own word. I say this based on it itself being an initialism of eXtensible, and that it's read "Ex - Path"
Not zzkzzpath
Maybe I'm hyper-anal about this shit, but I find I'm more productive looking at eloquent, well-reading code.
18:57
Awesome a whole of spanish dudes + dudettes have turned up to watch Spain vs Netherlands. Win or lose, it's going to be a rollercoaster of emotions.
someone is using laravel?
@user3384514 I hope not.
I don't see any "someone" around
Because he has no reputation to join the chatroom, maybe
18:58
i mean why i hope not @DanL
@DanLugg
@DanLugg ?
@DanLugg ?
@DanLugg
Hmm, we have a resident WP authority. Now we need a resident Laravel authority.
19:01
@user3384514 btw, mainly because of a lot of bad practices coming from it
oh ok ty @Ocramius
> ... and just like that, he turned his back on Laravel. We never heard from him again, but if the stars can tell us anything, it's that he's alright now.
well i prefer java, but i need to use laravel now :(
@Ocramius bad pratices come from it because it's a framework
?
19:17
@user3384514 no, simply because it comes with a lot of utility methods that are actually shorthand-based technical debt
@ircmaxell Probably was just never optimized for that case
for example?
After all the thing is for image processing, which should be highly iterative usually
@user3384514 Also, this appears to be a not too trolly list of the problems - gist.github.com/anonymous/8565929 But the big one is that PHP frameworks just aren't that great an idea to begin with, as PHP already does most of the stuff that other languages (e.g. Java) require frameworks to do.
@Danack thank you, i see now, so im just unlucky to work on this project xD
19:23
@user3384514 meh - it could be worse. Tbh starting off a project with a framework to get up and running quickly isn't that bad idea. But most people in here (yay, appeal to populism) would say that it's fine to completely replace components from the framwork with your own 'framework' that more closely fits your requirements.
@NikiC fair, but you'd think it wouldn't be that slow
Ha, love the Mario avatar
gods below
I basically can feel that my Monday will be terrible
Can anyone answer a few basic questions? I'm struggling to figure out a few curl things
@ircmaxell If it's optimized for running heavy functions, then it might be a reasonable tradeoff to have an expensive function call setup
19:33
@NikiC fair
@tereško How so?
He loves to torture himself for some reason.
@NikiC there is a kickstarter project going up on monday. The marketing campaign is well done. But the main site is a DB-bound piece of crap, based on codeigniter and done bt 2-bit hack and hosted on a single box/
it will die
and then they will run to me with the "save us" face
sounds like fun
oh .. and the guy who made the page is on vacation sice today
@tereško sounds like a smart guy :D
he's the dumbest coder that we have
and that includes the intern
LOL
Fun indeed.
Are you senior/manager/architect now @tereško?
@webarto officially I am still "senior developer"
unofficially I am "the guy who can fix dead things" for the whole damn incubator
Are you enjoying it (in a weird way)?
That matters.
19:45
@NikiC also been compiling HippyVM for the past 2+ hours
yeah well ... compiling rpython is even more fun than compiling c++ ^^
@webarto kinda, yeah. But the main problem is one of the project managers, who seems completely clueless how web development .. or development in general happens
Oh, I downloaded a snapshot of rpython. So I didn't need to compile that
if he comes to you an asks, "how long will feature X take", and you say "4 hours", then that's exactly what he will tell the client .. he is one of those PM, who think that estimates by developers (made in 30 seconds) are cut in stone
@ircmaxell I mean compiling rpython code
19:48
@NikiC ah yes
@tereško then say a bit more and the client will be happy how fast it was…
@tereško I hate that shit. I deal with that regularly.
How do you guys handle csrf tokens? I am currently writing out the code in all the methods which obviously sucks. Should it be part of the validation component?
good evenings lads and gents
20:04
still compiling
at the 3 hour mark
I compiled HHVM earlier... took me a good 35 mins :|
and I thought that was long <_<
yeah, I compiled pypy once before, took forever
@ircmaxell Thanks for the link, I am doing it like that already, but want to make the code reusable across my controllers. I'm not sure if I should inject a security class, write a service or do something else.
@tereško Yeah, that's like every software business ever which is in direct relationship with the client. I went through that with zee Germans in January when I was "in between jobs" ... if I worked on something for 3 days, they would cut down to 1 day (payment wise) because client "thinks" it should take one day, but I think they've charged 3 and kept the 2 days for them... You seem less darker about this job than the previous one, which is good.
20:22
Per the 1913 edition of Webster's Dictionary:
Deprecate
...

To pray against, as an evil;
to seek to avert by prayer;
to desire the removal of;
to seek deliverance from;
to express deep regret for;
to disapprove of strongly.
20:35
@hakre the last line contains a syntax error, ends with a .
@Ocramius it's one sentence per line. (dunno if in english semicolon denotes sentence as well, but I think so)
@Ocramius Naw, it's Pascal.
ah, if it's pascal then it's fine
20:55
Hi,
I am having this issue

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24209649/woocommerce-changes-to-checkout-fields-roll-back
21:09
According to this "CloudLinux limits it to 20, so if you cross that it will not process them till the earlier one has ended." How can I wait for a query to finish?
@_youhadonejob How It Must a Feel To Be Spanish Now.... http://t.co/Kka948vd4k
user924016
21:45
Hey guys
hellösi :)
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
hola all
Howdy
hoi zäme
Spain just got ass-raped!
cc @rdlowrey
21:59
sorry but I can not take the games seriously any longer after Brasilia "won" their first game.
@hakre pffff brazil... Have you seen the match earlier today. Mexico was seriously assrpaed by the referees
no, seriously, not watching any of the games any longer.
They stole two goals of them which were clearly not offside
@hakre Well in all honesty did you expect anything else?
well a good show is not breaking the curtain or how the saying goes.
@ircmaxell Totally awesome! :)
user924016
22:05
=/ Did not watch the match.. but heard it was bs
@RonniSkansing What match? Bra - Kro?
@hakre You're not even going to check out zerman matches?
@PeeHaa no, i'm not interested in those.
user924016
@PeeHaa yea the Brazil one
22:21
@RonniSkansing Even though that was ... the second goal of mexico tonight was just simply criminal
user924016
put any money on it?
9/1 were the odds for 5 - 1
user924016
lol
@Fabien Only 9/1?
user924016
put all the money on +1 goal
22:24
Apparently
@RonniSkansing On the entire championship
user924016
yea, I used to be in a small bet club that did contents like that, was quite fun
user924016
You started out, like a 20$, you bet all on +1 on any match you think has atleast just one goal
user924016
typical odds was 103 ~1.1
So, being your typical American I'm not too into soccer... is flopping and controversial penalties par for the course?
22:27
It's called football ;)
user924016
@PeeHaa just try it out for fun on a peice of paper with the matches you feel "sure" are going to have atleast one goal =]
@cspray And yes. Most likely
:)
22:38
22:50
@Fabien One confused server :D
@Fabien :D
Is it against the rules to ask for paid help on here? Meaning I'm willing to pay x amount of money for someone to help me finish a section of my website. Just asking cause I'm on a deadline and need help badly.
The next time I go out to eat with my wife I will be insistent that we order exactly 21.96 worth of food
I'm done for today. Talk to you people later. Nigth room 11~!
@echo Against the rules or not you just did ;) If anybody is interested I'm sure they'll get in touch with you
Although this is a slow part of the day for this chat room.
22:56
@cspray And he broke the rules by asking to ask... :/
Snickers :D
@cspray yea just testing the waters
user924016
later @PeeHaa
looks for PHP library/way to search MySQL database: not just LIKE xyz but a good search like Google that doesn't need that exact word order... Any ideas?
@AnnonomusPenguin Fulltext?
@cspray Hmm... thanks!
23:03
'evening
@NikolaR. 'nite

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