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14:01
@tereško Do you have any technique in particular for coming up with names for services?
Or do you just keeping thinking throwing words around your head until you get one you like
@tereško Mage_App. :p
With all seriousness, MembershipService?
@Leri To me membership sounds like some sort of recurring payment
That's just what I think when I think of membership
@David Well, I always think of something different whenever member is mentioned due to its Russian translation but it does not mean that it has not proper use. And membership on its own has nothing to do with payments unless it's explicitly required by business from members..
Actually we don't like spam @Jenny
Neither do we particularly like xss vulnerabilities btw
you don't know how to recognize a spam over a website material @PeeHaa
14:08
Spam noun : irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients.
Flag it.
@Jenny Also, UX in your app is totally broken.
Spam verb: send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet.
same message? where did this get posted before? @PeeHaa
Hello guys, anyone know any open source php chat using websockets?
14:11
@Loclip socketo.me
1 message moved to bin
@PeeHaa I wanted something that could be easy to install like frug.github.io/AJAX-Chat
@Loclip Easier to install than composer update?
@PeeHaa had some problem installing composer
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@Loclip You don't want to install HAProxy or some other HTTP proxy for your socketo.me? Because you'll need to do that too.
14:16
@tereško UserAugementedDataService
:)
@PeeHaa flagged him as spammer for GORZON attention.
@rdlowrey lol you really are triggered when mentioning websockets are you? :P
I have tested this github.com/Flynsarmy/PHPWebSocket-Chat and it worked but its just a simple chat demo, I wanted something more complete, to see who is online etc
@PeeHaa Anything async, parallel and HTTP related.
:-)
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14:18
@PeeHaa ;) have you seen Server-Sent Events (SSE)? It looks like a great option if you don't need duplex communication and just want to push events from the server
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Was reading about this yesterday for the first time
@Loclip Either go for node.js or use a library for something like ejabberd.
@Leri that actually might be the correct direction
@Achrome ty will check the library
@rdlowrey I had read it some while back but for most of my use cases just push is not enough
14:22
Jabber is used by WhatsApp and countless other chat systems, so you will be in tried and tested waters
@Achrome nodejs is pretty cool, I like it and everything but.. When someone mentions WebSockets, immediately saying go with nodejs is becoming pretty annoying. WebSockets can be implented by any language that can implement application layer for tcp not just by nodejs and some of them might be better options.
@Leri I am aware that Websockets can be implemented in any language, but node.js has the most documentation available on how to do it.
@PeeHaa are you from Rotterdam? What's the next best city after IAMsterdam?
@webarto I am from rotterdam :)
Personally I don't like amsterdam that much tbh
@webarto E_CONTEXT #modflag
14:25
breda is fun
Unless you are asking about techjobs in which case amsterdam is the best pick :)
@PeeHaa I'll be in Amsterdam end of June for DPC
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@Leri I agree ... but the simple fact is that the existing PHP implementations are unwieldy and the node ecosystem is fully developed.
@Gordon Attending or speaking?
@Gordon Ping once more, please :P Spammer, posting links in chat (across SO), also "duplicate" profile.
@Gordon Classic abuse of powers :D DANKE
@webarto happy now? :)
@PeeHaa speaking
14:28
Dutch conf. I want to go. Need moneyz. #toopoorforeu
@Achrome Yes, but nodejs is still javascript runs on v8 so I doubt it can do really heavy lifting.
@rdlowrey I had jvm and .NET in mind while saying that.
For heavy lifting, I would not even go with WebSockets
@webarto 'I like in creating software, and Websites. I have lot of creative ideas that I mostly into Innovative Inventions. Since from childhood I had this skill called "Creativity".'
/dat about page
I'd just set up an XMPP/AMQP server to do all the heavy lifting
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@Leri Right. Any language is perfectly capable of implementing good ws solutions.
14:30
@Gordon ah I see you in the list now. TBH although tempting not sure whether I will go. That price is just ridiculous. Especially now that I don't really have aboss to pay it for me anymore :)
@PeeHaa Exactly why I want to avoid it, I got no business there :) Utrecht also seems nice. Thanks for the tip :) The woman that sold us current apartment lives in Rotterdam, sold it for peanuts, 'cause she's not returning, ever.
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> Innovative Inventions
I'm going to invade your country and steal your jobz @PeeHaa.
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I like to randomly capitalize things for emphasis as well!
And also weird spacing
14:31
@PeeHaa you're looking for a job?
zOMG those are the worst Kind of people. @rdlowrey
@Gordon Busy setting up something for myself. Partnered up with a sales guy.
@Danack Read it, cried. Check out avatar on G+.
(stolen picture)(?R)
good mioanings
@PeeHaa Dejan will pay with blood money, let's go.
14:35
I really don´t care where money is coming from as long as it is going my way :)
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Oh man. Fist-pump time. I worked all day yesterday implementing a very specific pthreads-based solution to a long-standing aerys problem only to discover it wouldn't work given certain ext/pthreads limitations. I went to sleep last night very dejected because I thought I'd have to go back to the drawing board. But I figured out a way to hack together a solution and I'm really excited about this :)
I like your style @PeeHaa.
;-)
@rdlowrey Dude, you'll get a heart attack, you're constantly excited! :D
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14:37
@webarto No, that's just the workout supplements ;)
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^ n.o.-xplode is awesome
I choke on those even tho I don't move except fingers :)
Metabolism accelerators, bla, bla.
Also... Burn
@rdlowrey Do you just have all the time in the world to code your own projects? I'd like to be you
@rdlowrey WILL BUY
@Gordon Interesting. How do you know them?
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14:38
@David I spend about 20 hours per week doing real work and the rest on my own projects.
@David Everybody wants to be an rdlowrey when they grow up :D
Does it matter when you do the work? Can you do it in one shift if you like :)
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Just stay out of the sun.
@Gorzon do you perhaps know price range for sponsoring DPC?
Jesus, you are quite tanned @rdlowrey
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14:40
lol
hahahahahaha
Real or fake? Haha
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I promise I'm not actually that tan but everytime I try to change my gravatar to something more representative I get shouted down so I don't even bother anymore.
He's so tanned my pixels got burnt.
@PeeHaa twitter
14:41
Is that something like thephp.cc/welcome ?
Alliance thingy.
@webarto no idea. I guess 500+
@webarto no. phpcc is just them three people
Ah, I see.
@rdlowrey I just Googled you, I must say I'm not surprised your from a beach area
Would you guys be interested to form an alliance, since we already have a pact (LOL).
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@David yeah I live at the beach ... I used to go surfing every day in the summers but anymore I spend most of my time getting an LCD tan.
14:44
@Achrome Hmm, protocol is perfectly capable of handling heavy lifting.
@rdlowrey We need to swap life's for a while
@webarto actually, I'd love to have sth like a Webcrafter's Guild; bunch of qualified freelancers pooling resources and projects
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@David The grass is always greener on the other side, I suppose.
Ireland is full of fields and grass you'd love it
You may lose your tan if you were here though
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I spent a couple of weeks traipsing around Ireland in 2012 for my little sister's wedding ... thoroughly enjoyed it.
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14:48
Although I nearly died a couple of times driving on the wrong side of the road.
Haha. Do you remember any of the names of places you were?
@Gordon Well, level of potential members from this room is over 9000. Would make a million dollar team.
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Yeah she got married at Castle Leslie in County Monaghan so we stayed there for a couple of days. Spent some time in Dublin and then toured around Dingle and the south mostly.
Dude, you're 31.
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@webarto I agree.
14:50
1md.be/2014 amateurs.
1MD.FU
That sounds reminds me of that superior web solutions site
Yes, it was web solutions back then.
@rdlowrey That's cool
So... let's pick a name :D
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@David I found the people in Ireland to be the kindest of anywhere I've ever been. It was a really great experience.
14:55
Do you have Irish blood or that's fancy thing to do for you 'muricans? @rdlowrey
@webarto name is webcrafter's guild ;)
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@webarto Well I do, but it was more just that my sister decided that she wanted to get married there so that's what we did :)
@Gordon Toooooo long, short and sweet :P
Also, Wordpress and Woo* ... blah.
14:58
@rdlowrey How did you find it understanding peoples accent? I find it diffucult to understand people living just 40 or 50 miles away because of the accent is different to where I live
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@David oh, there were definitely some times when I had no idea what people were saying :)
@rdlowrey I've heard some interesting Irish legend about wedding. If I am not mistaken on 29th February women can make proposal and men can't refuse it or something like that. /me is bad at telling stories so is sorry that whole romance is lost
@rdlowrey The farmer type people are the hardest to understand, they seem to speak their own language because I don't understand a word
@Leri Protocol most definitely is. Implementations, on the other hand. :)
@Achrome I totally disagree. If you use nodejs just to handle connections and implement your logic in C++ and just make bindings in V8 you can lift almost anything.
15:02
@Leri I stay indoors on the 29th of February
@David So I heard it right, did not I?
@Leri I've heard it too but I don't know how true it is. I have never heard of anyone here getting forced to marry. If it was true I would certainly be staying away from McDonalds and KFC that day if you know what I mean
@Leri You can write native bindings in any language and it will suffice for over 95% cases, load wise. You could write a multi threaded native binding in PHP as well and that would serve the purpose. That, however, ends up in code bloat, and depending on how competent your devs are, you will either end up with something brilliant, or something shit.
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@JoeWatkins I haven't started using the latest pthreads yet -- can I simply replace any references to Stackable with Threaded?
Not that I have anything against that approach, but it's good for a well established company with brilliant devs to spare.
15:09
@rdlowrey yes, you neednt, stackable is aliased
@Achrome Well, okay, you're right there. Some companies even reject that kind of ideas (bindings to native code) due to maintenance costs. But fact remains that if you choose correct platform, websocket can do really heavy things. For instance, .NET is perfect example. You can find C# devs easily.
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@JoeWatkins cool. Also, I forget: did you say Threaded::run() no longer has to be implemented in userland if I'm just using something Threaded as a shared data structure?
I haven't worked with WebSockets on C#, so I would not be able to either refute or accept that argument as it is, but I would definitely agree with the fact that you CAN write WebSockets only solutions which will be scalable.
@rdlowrey yeah
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15:12
awesome.
One thing I would like to raise would be the obvious fact that WebSockets won't work with a lot of browsers. If that is the target audience, then WebSockets will be a bad decision.
And in the past few months, I have actually worked with ejabberd so I know how easily it scales.
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It's trivial to check for support in any given browser, though, and only old browsers don't support websockets
@rdlowrey Agreed completely on that.
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If someone's browser doesn't support websockets you can easily javascript them a message telling them they're using seriously outdated technology.
15:18
When we were doing our own share of market testing, we found out that IE < 10 makes up for about 15% of our target audience.
That number will be different for different products
Also, we needed a cross platform chat system, namely iOS and Android, so WebSockets were a big overhead there for us.
I'm going to revisit that thought soon enough though.
@PeeHaa Any answer parsing html with regex is totally wrong. There's nothing to review. :)
That's the reason I linked it ;)
Hey guys,
What I have:
String 1: "[text] - [text2] - [text 3]"

My goal:
String 1: [text]
String 2: [text 2]
String 3: [text 3]

What is the best methode to do this in php?
@Ibra038 explode
15:31
If that always will be the format nl3.php.net/explode
Thanks guys!
@rdlowrey When I looked at that table, I somehow mistook the Firefox column for IE, and thought "HOLY SHIT IE6 HAD WEBSOCKETS"
Wiki.php.net: A or B?
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I like B :)
15:36
But only because I got used to the background color of the titles
The spacing on B is better (I find a bit more helps the vertical rhythm) but I also like the color indicators of A. You had a version that indented the sections a bit; also a good visual cue.
Indentation is still there; this monitor just doesn't show that far down ^^
Oh, I thought "Introduction" should be indented slightly, as it's a child to the "PHP RFC ..." title.
Yeah but then EVERYTHING is indented. Doesn't really work.
No, I agree. h1/h2 maybe at the same horizontal level.
15:40
B all the way
less clutter is always better
But yea, h3+ with 1em of indent.
That's still there Dan; we just can't see it ^^
Yeop. Cool beans.
Just finishing my thought ;-)
Version A scrolled down: i.sstatic.net/eBE1I.png
Version B scrolled down: i.sstatic.net/WldVu.png
^^ Same opinion as before. Either way, great work :-)
:'(
@Gordon found this too musketeers.me/about-us
So ... many ... alliances.
When using strpos (http://php.net/manual/en/function.strpos.php),
does it matter when using capital letters?
It's case sensitive. stripos() is not.
Thanks! - Sorry, I was searching "Capital" on that page, not Case Sensetive. My bad.
15:56
@webarto its only four people, i was thinking more about a network type
@Gordon can you give example network?
@webarto like the dutch alliance thing. they accept members
@Gordon Right, right. Obviously there should be a leader, like you or the elders i.e. serious people.
@ircmaxell Nice lighting :-)
16:03
:-)
If you dropped the red channel, the fellow on the right left would make a near perfect blue silhouette/outline
His face at least.
Sony, pffffft.
I'm looking for a simple, free and self hostable calandar / todolist thingy. Where you can see a calendar which you can use the add tasks to. With support of multiple calendars (based on e.g. project) and the ability to display every project in a single calendar. And some list somewhere with tasks not yet planned in
hola
16:12
@ircmaxell nice avatar... ^^
@PeeHaa lol, "I'm a web developer, but I primarily work with web design technologies. How can I learn web design"
16:30
@PeeHaa Hate to say this but, MS Outlook
Although I think Google Calendar can fit your requirements nicely
16:41
^^ Doesn't OpenOffice have similar features?
is someone an apache expert here?
16:58
@ircmaxell huh? I dont want to sign up for flickr
ah. there
skoop
17:13
Nice pictures, by the way @ircmaxell.
@Hunyo through your stuff!!
17:55
evenin' guys & gals
Versions A and B
still A
though C is definitely better then B
18:24
C or A
19:00
maybe some inner shadow on top of table of contents, dunno.
no, that would fail once it's scrolled
19:44
Version A after a few annoying things were fixed: i.sstatic.net/aJEbs.png
Version B after fixing the same: i.sstatic.net/osy4R.png
Anyone else started playing Gemcraft Chapter Two? (Came out today)
Hey!
I have an associative array containing date time strings that are parseable by DateTime class. I've also written a function that finds the time difference between two given date strings. Now what's the cleanest way possible to get the difference between consecutive elements and create a new array based on that?
That game looks like a casual game...
20:05
@SakhalTurkaystan It is
@AmalMurali make the array non-associative and run a for loop on it while jumping 2 each time.
Will the number of elements always be even?
@SecondRikudo wow finally - played the others ages ago.
@SecondRikudo Yep
@AmalMurali array_values($array) to get rid of keys
Then for ($i = 0; $i < count($array); $i += 2)
I know that. I was thinking maybe there was a better approach? Using while(list($key, $value) = each($array)) { ... } or something.
$array[$i] is the first element in the current pair, $array[$i+1] will be the next
20:09
@webarto Thanks! :-)
@AmalMurali KISS
@AmalMurali with array(1,2,3,4) do you want array(diff(1,2), diff(2,3), diff(3,4)) or array(diff(1,2), diff(3,4)) ?
@SecondRikudo OK, right.
@salathe I think it's the latter
20:10
@salathe The former.
Ah
@AmalMurali In that case, you don't jump 2, you only jump one
@ircmaxell New (York|Jersey)?
New Jersey
it's right in the tags ;-)
And you need to make sure that $i < count($array) - 1 instead of the condition I gave above
So far, I'm enjoying it deeply.
Can't see that, cool :)
20:24
@AmalMurali Your array looks like: ['2012-01-01', '2013-01-02', '2013-01-03', '2013-01-04']?
Sounds like you need to restructure to: [['2012-01-01', '2013-01-02'], ['2013-01-03', '2013-01-04']]
That's a good idea. Although, this is a one-time job, so it doesn't matter much.
@LeviMorrison not done yet but ...
started
need to just do inheritance stuff and opcache ...
and reflection
and errors are bad
and fatals don't make much sense, dunno what does ... you decide ... it's a sane way of going about it anyway ... I think ...
I was just being consistent with existing type-hint semantics.
Also at some point (maybe PHP 6?) we probably should unify the type-hints of parameters and return types somewhat.
Change the reflection APIs too.
I more meant the text I used ... it does feel kinda wrong to cause unrecoverable error ...
exception might be nice ... give you some required info like stack trace ... but whatever not fighting that battle, errors are all we seem to have ...
will finish it sometime next week ... and do tests and all that stuff i just said ... I made a start anyway ...
now I'm off out ... catch you lata ;)
:) Thanks
20:39
Just to be sure, I'm asking my question here:
Is there someway that if the rss of another website changed, it could run my php script right after? Or is a hourly cronjob the only option?
well , fuck
something is wrong with my laptop - it is eating up all the available ram
hey everyone, i'm a but of a php noob and i'm trying to download an array of images(links to images) as files, is there a better way than file_put_contents, sometimes the files just stay empty
Are you sure the problem is the put? What if the download is the failure?
i'm just asking if there's another way, as i said i'm new to php
@crisbeto, your files should be in temporary dir
20:47
thing is that most files download fine, like 10% of the end up empty
@crisbeto, you can check them manually on download finished
21:01
@Ibra038 You need to check periodically.
@SecondRikudo I taught so, just needed someone to confirm it for me, thanks! (:
Can anyone help me with CakePHP?
nope
it's crap
21:16
@tereško its virus
@tereško there is some viruses which works only on rams
Seriously though, all I need is for someone to check over my login function to get it working so Auth->login() works
21:31
What you mean?
Do php developers think about other languages, when they are alone?
@Gordon , since you are moderator, could you explained, why flags of "not an answer" were declined for following posts:
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A: How to access XML object in Restlet 2.0 thats wrapped inside a Representation object?

VatsalaHere is the answer - http://vatsalad.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/how-to-handle-xml-received-as-part-of-a-post-request-in-restlet/

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A: Is it LightSwitch bug? Problems with re sizing controls

robert_dHere is the answer http://p2p.wrox.com/book-beginning-microsoft-visual-studio-lightswitch-development/84982-chapter-9-cant-change-height-customer-cell-control.html

0
A: dependent dropdown box with Yii

sasorithis problem was solved, it's on the yii wiki docs

0
A: regex failing at hash symbol

Gregorio Di StefanoWell, here is the answer to my question: http://osdir.com/ml/python-bottle-general/2011-11/msg00012.html

You sure a mod declined those @tereško?
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A: Bing maps, how to scale map?

GingemonsterHere is the answer on a previous forum thread http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vemapcontroldev/thread/4b3732f3-7cc3-4553-ad60-4b7fb88ea6d3

0
A: Wrong Charset Encoding with Play Framework 2.1

Daniel CukierHere is the answer to this question: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/play-framework/R0ayxNuzR74

> not an answer – tereško Mar 30 at 11:43 declined - a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it
@PeeHaa yes, I am quite sure
21:41
I think, some of moderators might be slightly mentally challenged
=/
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A: How can I configure Tomcat to access mongodb remotely?

Dimitri Sedichhere is the answer class com.mongodb.Mongo

... this one ended up "disputed"
Most of those questions should just be burninated imo
@tereško Did you come up with a good name for the service to deal with the wishlists, accounts etc?
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AbstractGodServiceObjectContainer
@RonniSkansing I'm sure he came up with a better name than that
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=]
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21:54
darn
I'm in a sort of similar position so I want to find out what he called it so I can steal it
Because coming up with good descriptive service names can be tough
user924016
naming can be hard
Someone needs to come up with a tool to do the naming for you
22:35
@null I googled, couldn't find, and then posted, then googled something different. Anyway, why is this being downvoted? You don't downvote because something is a duplicate! — The Wobbuffet 30 mins ago
Obama: Yes we can!
If someone wants to visit, I'll be your guide :D
Compare this to live (may need to force refresh).
Nice, nice.
I'm for this.
I'm happy with what is live, I had to stop working on my RFC to make the Wiki look better because I couldn't stand looking at it.
I do think that the proposal is a step up, but feedback from more people would be great.
@crypticツ Your thoughts on above?

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