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5:00 PM
Imho and ime (in my experience) that doesn't work. It's on google though so that may know what the heck they are talking about ;)
 
I dunno, I've never tested or tried the inline_javascript config. Just that at least the notion of never inline isn't true according to google.
 
I mean they don't close their elements to shave of some bytes
@Fabien My notion was about inline like OP
 
@PeeHaa I know, it seemed like a good time to raise the question as I don't know myself.
 
Yes just edited in time!
 
heh
 
5:02 PM
@JoeFrambach More than once I've thought that html needs a <foot> element, so you can close the <body> and tell the browser explicitly "I'm not going to give you any more renderable markup" and then put your post-processes in the footer
 
user895378
@PeeHaa I love that feeling!
 
Ah now that I actually read the thing. Google agrees with me
> There is a tradeoff here between requests and cacheability: including the JavaScript directly in the HTML avoids making an additional request to the external JavaScript resource, but if the JavaScript file is large (and doesn't change often), it may be better to keep it separate from the HTML so that it can be cached by the browser.
@Fabien
IRL you don't have those small.js files
At least I don't and I am the average webdev. So whatever I do is law!
:D
 
@PeeHaa Actually my bootstrap is often pretty small, and I do sometimes put it in a literal <script> as the last element in the doc :-O
But that's an affectation of my classical abuse of JS
 
@GirishBhutiya Sorry I don't do wp.
@DaveRandom :-)
 
5:09 PM
Amazing, chrome stopped remembering my passwords and wouldn't let me save new ones the other day. Just reinstalled and now they're all back. Nice to know my intimate passwords are stored up there somewhere.
 
:P
Yur dataz is safe wit US
 
@PeeHaa Yeah, they never really specify what is small. But they sure as hell mark you down on speed test results if you don't do it.
 
@PeeHaa s/safe wit/being stolen by the/
 
See you tomorrow everypone
 
@Gordon I think the true value of this will come about with property accessor/mutators.
 
5:13 PM
@DanLugg explain?
 
@Gordon Presumably the parameters would look like they do now when you get info about them via Reflection?
 
@Gordon Making example, hold on.
 
@Danack good question. they would if the alternate syntax is used (which I'd prefer). Not sure what it should give when $this->foo is used
 
I think it would have to be the same - it would be horrific otherwise.
 
yes, probably, since it's only a shorthand anyway
 
5:17 PM
Ace Rimmer - What a guy! :)
 
@Danack added a section on Reflection. Thanks.
 
You can leverage the shorthand constructor with all of the type-validation necessary for non-class types.
 
@DanLugg true. though I'm not a fan of property accessors/mutators. I voted against the rfc
 
@Gordon Um. Out of curiosity. Why?
 
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@DaveRandom After fiddling with it for a minute I'm not sure I see the value of accepting relative paths for cacert.pem -- it's no more work for individual distros to assign the absolute path where they'll put the file in their php.ini ... Thoughts?
 
5:23 PM
@DanLugg cant remember all the reasons. In general I felt it was not worth the effort. Also, I think there was some unclear cases and also I think because it violates Uniform Access Principle to have properties behave like methods.
 
@Gordon Well. Ok. I suppose. Really?
 
lol.
why do people COPY-PASTE other answers. >_>
 
user895378
@DaveRandom Actually, I take that back -- it depends on whether or not PHP bundles the cacert.pem file with the distribution.
 
i don't know if i should flag them or just downvote it
 
@DanLugg just search the chat and internals. it's documented on the interwebs ;)
@AmalMurali flag them
 
5:26 PM
-2
A: Else statement usage

developerCKT JUST A CODING STYLE. Between the two, I'd choose the first one. if(cond) { $msg = 'success'; } else { $msg = 'error'; } This is readable and clearly conveys what it's trying to do. there are no chance of error like, Method 2 $msg = 'error'; if($cond){ //$msg ='success'; }...

 
@Gordon I gotta say, I'm a bit surprised. I somewhat understand your position based on UAP, but even still. I just think the semantic value of $foo->bar makes it more obvious (and transparent) than having to $foo->getBar().
 
Steam OS announced
Gabe Newell was banging on about Linux being the future of gaming.
 
@Gordon: ah okay, just flagged them
 
> Downloadable soon. Free forever! (until we decide that the profitability is viable)
 
lol
 
5:31 PM
My VPS RAM memory is only 256 MB, burstable to 256 MB. what is the average RAM memory consumption of LAMP on Debian? mine takes 297 MB :(
 
TBH one of the few things tying me to windows is gaming.
 
@Jack @DaveRandom it's a bit pointless to talk about serialization or what happens in a loop, but if I don't answer ... entirely unimportant ...
 
@Gordon gist.github.com/gooh/6673723#file-automatic_ctors-L30 I'd put an empty bracket pair ({}) instead of a semicolon there. The latter makes me think it would be an abstract method…
 
@Gordon Although I like the idea - I'm not so hot on the syntax for the constructor. Btw it is currently possible to automatically copy the parameters with a trait and reflection gist.github.com/Danack/6674124 There may be a better syntax lurking between the two different approaches.
 
@Gordon Whenever I write a large number of value objects I want the Scala notation for this: gist.github.com/nikic/8a93e21f83df7cc354c9 :)
the last one is the scala syntax (or the php variant of it)
The second one is what you suggest (or what you should be suggesting). But it still has much boilerplate
 
user895378
5:44 PM
@NikiC I'll take Door #3, please.
 
@NokImchen are you sure its only LAMP that takes up the 297MB?
 
@reikyoushin yes, because i've nothing running besides LAMP.
 
@NikiC IIRC that's scope, not real properties...
 
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Q: How much VPS ram would I need to run Wordpress, Apache, SVN & MySQL?

Kyle BrandtDoes anyone have a ballpark figure of how much VPS ram (without burstable) I would need to have apache with wordpress and subversion as well as the MySQL instance? Apache would host a couple of sites and SSL. MySQL would have just the Wordpress database. These sites are low traffic, less than 1...

 
not meant for being mutable, no?
 
5:46 PM
@Ocramius It's also for real properties ;)
 
oh nice
 
depends on the prefix. val/var/nothing
 
@reikyoushin yes, i read it. It says that he has only 256 MB ram, how can he even run LAMP with just 256 MB?? :|
 
@NokImchen "The short answer is (IMHO) 128MB will suffice, abundantly." <~ according to that answer
 
@reikyoushin but just for LAMP, its consumes above 200 MB, how can i even run LAMP with just 128 MB? :| My current status 298 MB of 512 MB Used / 214 MB Free
btw, i'm not running anything. Server is totally idle.
 
5:48 PM
@NokImchen i think ram is only supposed to be used when requests are made.. right?
so that 298MB is used by the OS, debian in your case..
i've read somewhere using a 32 bit debian would need less ram, though i am not sure about this.. and i might be wrong
 
@reikyoushin yes! but my SolumVM is showing this 298 MB of 512 MB Used / 214 MB Free :|
@reikyoushin yes, i'm using 32 bit only
 
@NikiC don't know if this isn't a bit too compressed…
 
@NokImchen hmm.. not sure about debian.. im a centos guy, ;) you should ask @Starsong, maybe she has an answer. but afaik you should be able to run apache, mysql and php there without any problems
 
@reikyoushin @Starsong is a "he" :P
this is my scree print of the status postimg.org/image/qyndnnm6l
brb, dinner time!
 
@NokImchen but have you tried running lamp already?
 
user895378
5:54 PM
@NikiC @Jack and @DaveRandom Here's the initial working commit for secure-by-default peer verification. You'll see Chris's name matching function in there as well. As for usage it's as straight-forward as can be:
 
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// Download curl.haxx.se/ca/cacert.pem, point the $cafile variable at it
$cafile = '/path/to/cacert.pem';

$uri = 'https://www.github.com/'; // <-- requires SAN to validate correctly
// Using context options
var_dump(file_get_contents($uri, FALSE, stream_context_create(['ssl' => [
    'cafile' => $cafile
]]));

// Using openssl.cafile from php.ini
ini_set('openssl.cafile', $cafile);
var_dump(file_get_contents($uri));
 
user895378
^^ Woops, forgot the commit link
 
user895378
Another thing I believe we should do is add openssl.ciphers and make it default to something more secure than the DEFAULT (ALL:!aNULL:!eNULL) value listed on the relevant OpenSSL docs page. There's already a "ciphers" context option for this, but I think defaulting it to something at least in the medium strength range would be a good idea.
 
user895378
After all, what good is peer verification if you use weak/broken encryption algos ...
 
@DanLugg it really was small things that made my decision on the accessors proposal
@bwoebi this is addressed in the section Additional/Reusing Keyword
 
6:05 PM
@Gordon Small enough that sometime in the future your decision may be swayed? ;-)
 
@Danack yeah, well. that's a workaround. I want it native :)
@DanLugg yes
@NikiC well, you said I should write it up, so that's why I did. I checked Scala auto init but wasn't sure. It seems it automatically creates the properties instead of just assigning them. Doesn't look too readable to me and also would introduce much more sugar than the Dart variant
 
@Gordon oh, I can scroll there… didn't notice this :-/ sorry^^
github window is too small, again.
 
user895378
Is it my imagination or has internals participation increased considerably over the last few weeks?
 
@reikyoushin yes, i did, it works
 
@Gordon yes, yes, was just thinking out loud
@Gordon I find your current draft a bit unclear
you are mixing the $this-> and the ; syntax
it's unclear whetehr $this-> would work with {} and whether it can be mixed with non- $this-> parameters
 
6:19 PM
@NikiC With the exception of the alternate syntax section all example uses the methodless $this-> variant given in the the Proposal section. It's not mixed.
@NikiC in the main proposal? yes. because I am not sure whether Dart supports this. with methodbody
 
@Gordon PHP doesn't need to imitate other languages completely when stealing language features? :o
 
@Starsong i've installed LAMP successfully and its working perfectly. However, the RAM memory consumption (even when i'm not running anything) is above 200 MB. This is a screenshoot of my SolusVM control panel http://postimg.org/image/qyndnnm6l/
If u have any idea why the memory consumption is so high, please tell :)
 
@bwoebi no. it doesnt. and personally I prefer the shorthand alternative syntax
 
@NokImchen Because you're running Apache, MySQL and Linux
run top in command line, you'll see mem usage per item
 
@Starsong oh, so its normal?
how to reduce the RAM usage by LAMP? i dont mind changing the OS if it'll reduce the memory usage
 
6:31 PM
@NikiC or what did you mean?
 
@NokImchen step 1: dont use the A, step 2: dont use (or at least configure) the M
and where the hell you managed to get VPS that has less RAM then a refrigerator ?!
 
@tereško yes, i'm reading lowendbox.com/blog/… and it says the same u said..
@tereško hehehe, i googled day and night for weeks and finally got this low budget VPS :P
 
unless you pay for it in spittle, it's not worth it
 
@tereško i pay $10/yr :)
 
6:40 PM
btw , english people: "it isn't" or "it's not" ?
 
@tereško: depends on what you want to emphasize. "it isn't" emphasizes the object you are referring to (it) while "it's not" emphasizes the prohibition ("not")
 
on the topic of english...
@NokImchen Please use proper english, in particular no abbreviations like "u"
 
@NikiC oh, ok, from now on :)
 
don't show messages when people are talking to users in my ignore list. Bonus points for not showing messages when people talk to tiny avatars without pings
 
6:44 PM
 
:D
 
@tere
@tereško hi there, man
I tried what you told me, but didn't success
succeed*
 
depends on what I told you and what you did
 
I made a group, called devel and set it as the primary group for xpand and nginx
 
@PeeHaa declined. Would make ircmaxell forget me.
 
6:47 PM
then I set the directory permissions nginx:devel
 
what is "primary group" ?
 
The primary group for a user
 
user's "primary group" should be the same as its username
 
okay, but it still doesn't work
 
but you can add users to be member is additional groups
 
6:49 PM
I've added them
both xpand and nginx are in the devel group
 
then why didn't you set xpand as the owner of that directory ?
 
I've set the ownership to nginx:devel
I'll try with xpand:devel
still can't copy
& paste
actually, I can copy, but it doesn't paste
ot the opposite
I've managed to copy one file, which seems like a kind of a bug
because I pump my keyboard out
in order to copy and paste the file
 
@Gordon Dart allows both mixing of $this->/non$this-> and method bodies
 
and after it gets pastet
pasted*
it has xpand:xpand ownership
not the xpand:devel one
 
FYI, the key is not a form of punctuation
3
 
6:55 PM
@tereško it is, you just need to use it right
 
user895378
Oh, good. I was about to hit up urban dictionary to learn what FYW meant.
 
=]
 
Hi, someone experienced in using mod_rewrite?
 
@NikiC so having the this. is really one feature while having a methodless ctor would be another
 
6:56 PM
@CvetomirLazarov Even though you suck at typing message here in chat ;) +1 for a sane sized meme
 
@Gordon yes, I think (assuming methodless means the ";")
 
@NikiC yes, it does
 
@PeeHaa I intently searched for "okay meme small" in google :D
 
Good good :-D
 
@rdlowrey For your... Worry? Wallaby? Worcestershire?
 
user895378
6:57 PM
Fix Your Wording.
 
@tereško are you still willing to help an idiot with no chat culture? :D
 
@rdlowrey Relevant.
Fix Your Whitespace
 
user895378
^^ winner!
 
@CvetomirLazarov this might interest you with the second issue: linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/…
 
Too bad @tereško's past the edit point.
 
I'm actually surprised we haven't seen hello sirs. ihad (I have a doubt)
 
@tereško I have already set the chmod g+s to the folder
 
@Gordon and I also just checked, Dart does not allow $this-> in normal methods. only for ctors
 
@CvetomirLazarov read till the end
 
@NikiC just installed the Dart Editor to toy around with it
 
7:03 PM
@tereško I have this configuration here pastebin.com/Bmh975B3 I read the whole thread from the forum, but I cannot connect it with the bashrc file. Do I have to change the else statement to 002, too?
 
Frazzled IT Worker Needs Alcohol Badly!
 
@Charles wut?
 
Follow the link.
Basically incoming email is being delayed by three to twelve hours randomly.
 
Fortunately, "The email delays are affecting less than 50% of Gmail users."
 
I have users right now that can't finish sending mail (via IMAP) because the messages can't be copied into the Sent box...
 
7:07 PM
I like the automated repeating status messages
Super useful
 
And they never provide ANY update :D Scumbag Google, lying and shit...
 
I dunno, I'll take this to the monthly 6+ hour Office365 outage.
 
@Gordon this one seems odd
 // would assign properties and ignore $z
public function __construct($this->x, $this->y, $z);
 
@NikiC yeah, well, despite the example being a Point, doing that would be pointless
I just don't see why it should raise an error or something
 
7:12 PM
well, it just ignores $z ^^
seems error worthy to me
especially as it's a ctor and there can't be (according to you) any constraints on it
 
but doing public function($x, $y, $z) { $this->x = $x; $this->y = $y; } wouldn't either
 
They have seen my chat message!
> Gmail service has already been restored for some users, and we expect a resolution for all users within the next 1 hours. Please note this time frame is an estimate and may change.
 
@tereško So I changed the first if statement's numbers from 002 to 0027. Now, when I copy files they are copies as xpand:devel, but it's hard to copy them from Netbeans IDE. I have to hit Ctrl+C several times for it to work.
 
@NikiC we're not raising warning or anything about unused arguments anywhere yet, or do we?
 
I fail to see what your problem is
 
7:15 PM
But we have progress
 
@Gordon because we couldn't determine that. But that's a somewhat obvious case
 
At least now the files, which are being copied remain with ownership of xpand:devel
 
@Gordon but anyway, easier to implement without the error, so ... you can leave it out ^^
 
guys, is it a good idea to start id from 10000000000001 (or whatever the unsigned upper limit big int is) vs starting from the typical 1++ which would yield 00000000000000001 instead?
 
Hey guys, how come sometimes the first ajax "long polling" request takes too long to respond? There are times it takes up to 15 seconds to get first response and after that it's instantaneous for all other requests
Is this a setting or just regular behavior
 
7:23 PM
@Darius is this local? or is dns resolving involved?
 
dns involved
 
@Darius might be your time-to-first-byte..
 
sigh...
painful for a chat app.. kk thank you
 
you can check the time to first byte here to test webpagetest.org
and it may not be the only case.. it could only be one of the reasons..
 
Cool tool
yep. first-byte is one of the issues
 
7:26 PM
that would show the first and second visit of the page.. so you'd know if its just a first load problem
i had sites that took so much time just to get a first response from the dns.. its a pain to deal with
@Darius might consider getting a private ip instead if its a chat app.. though you should ask the PROs here, i'm not like them. XP
 
@tereško I feel very very very very stupid
The bug was because of a program I have installed on my CentOS 6.4
It's a clipboard manager, called parcellite
 
@reikyoushin Not sure what you mean by private ip. If it helps, I'm on a dedicated colocated server with 8 ip's to use.
I'm not using all 8 though.
 
@Darius i mean instead of using a domain you could use the IP directly to bypass the dns resolving issues..
 
I'll test that out.
Thanks
 
but that would mean you will dedicate one IP for that service.. (or so i think)
@tereško hi, i just need to ask a suggestion.. i have to submit a form from one domain to another, what's the best way to check on the second domain if the form was passed from the first domain, cookies?
 
7:33 PM
you cannot see cookies from other domains
you might use some signed timestamp as a method for verification
 
googles "signed timestamp" ... failed ( still did not understand)
 
$timestamp . '|' . $form_url . '|' . $hash_from_form_url_and_timestamp_and_secret
 
@tereško then how would the second domain verify that?
ahhh i get it. thanks!
 
you can not verify that the request is valid, but you can limit the window for faking
 
@tereško Did you see how dumb was I and what was my mistake?
 
7:38 PM
nope
 
How do I quote myself?
 
I actually CAN scroll up
 
since i am the only one who knows the secret, that's what i will use as salt for the one that will generate and verify the hashes.. correct? or something like that.. >.<
 
10 mins ago, by Cvetomir Lazarov
@tereško I feel very very very very stupid
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/11961247#11961247
http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/11961248#11961248
 
@reikyoushin yes. The hash is there to reassure you that this value was produced by that other domain
 
7:39 PM
@tereško gotcha, thanks!
 
@tereško see the links above
 
but if i have one DB for both of them, i can put a CSRF token inside the DB.. and would it be better?
 
.. of course someone could still fake it, but then they would have to capture the string
 
@tereško and the moment they get the string, the server must've already been compromised..
 
and yes, you can instead of "form url" use some incrementing number, that you make sure can be used only once
 
7:42 PM
@tereško to avoid collisions, right? hmm.. now i need to formulate my string. thanks!
 
the timestamp there is just for additional safety against someone trying to re-use your tokens later
 
@tereško i think i'll follow a pseudo mcrypt format.. ${timestamp}${randstr}${timestamp.randstr.secret} would this be ok? or a randstr is enough and i dont need the timestamp anymore?
(i dunno what that is called, forgive me for calling it an mcrypt XP)
 
your first domain will be generating valid tokens
what would prevent me to press F5 several time to acquire several valid-and-unused tokens , that I can use later ?
 
@tereško yup, and i will be passing the two vars along with the hash.. so i can verify them on the second domain
 
the timestamp is there to prevent stocking up on tokens for later use
 
7:47 PM
@tereško aaah ok. i make the tokens expire after some time then? is that it?
 
yes
it's basically the same thing you can do with cookies
 
is 60 secs enough? or how much do i need?
 
i would go with "an hour"
 
@tereško the only problem with cookies is that they are tied up with the domain.. so its impossible to do it that way..
 
60 sec would not prevent a determined person, but it might hurt the legitimate users
 
7:50 PM
aaah right, because the legit user might not submit the form within 60 secs.. and it'd be annoying if it timed out often
gotcha. thanks again
 
and if form has timed out, you have to redirect user back to the form with values filled in and a good explanation of what happened
 
@tereško all i have is a submit button with an item id that is hidden.. XP
 
the goal here is not to prevent fake request, but to prevent generic bots from messing with your site
 
you cannot prevent a custom-made script from sending fakes
 
7:53 PM
@tereško gotcha. i'll leave the custom made scripts to the WAF then. :)
 
8:10 PM
Someone ping me if they can understand what this feedback on php.net is meant to be: phpdotnet.uservoice.com/forums/211823-php-net-beta-site/…
 
Sometimes I think those posts are there because someone in here is trolling you :P
 
@LeviMorrison maybe he just wants a floating sidebar.. the one that moves along as you scroll..
that is if i understood correctly.. and if i did, it would remain a mystery.
 
@LeviMorrison I think they mean - when you make the page too thin and the left nav and the main content divs don't fit in anymore, the main content gets pushed down, and the left nav bar fills the screen. Screenshot incoming.
 
@Danack If that's true, it's by design: it's just missing a 'skip to content' link.
 
Screenshot aborted then.
 
8:14 PM
i wish the black code theme would be used on the beta site already. ^_^
 
@reikyoushin It will be a 'dark' theme (but not black) -- if it ever is available.
 
well, would the "sublime-text-2 theme" be more appropriate?
 
evening chaps ...
 
Evening jo
 
its sad when a user says your answer worked and s/he didnt accept nor upvote you. T-T
 
8:18 PM
emm ... @LeviMorrison , can you separate the variables from methods in the sidebar ? uk3.php.net/manual/en/mysqli.construct.php .. the sidebar is a mess
 
@tereško i agree.. it's all mixed up.
 
@tereško You mean all the properties first, then methods later type of separation?
 
@LeviMorrison and i hope there's a clear separation of some sort.. (like a label or so, for newbs.. me included)
 
Am I the only one who gets annoyed when a flag is stuck here in chat?
 
@PeeHaa nope
@LeviMorrison yeah , something like that, because the current way is confusing even for people who do know what they are looking for
 
8:29 PM
evening @PeeHaa
 
I'm inclined to close it
also, Laravel's logging approach is terrible
 
@JoeWatkins hola
 
@tereško yeah. a bit. XP they say they are also using symfony's monolog but..
 
Evening!
 
8:39 PM
well, I'm against any form of invasive logging
 
@tereško invasive?
 
LOL. by now if you organize all the answers you have on SO you couldve created a book or something. haha.
btw thanks!
 
0
Q: Flag indicator in chat season 3 episode 10

PeeHaaI know this might be a dupe of this or this or maybe this and I am sure there will be others to find, but this issue still is not resolved (and those posts are either old or status-i-hope-i-fixed-it-now). Or maybe it was resolved but someone (not pointing fingers here) has broken it again. Again ...

^ love please :)
 
@PeeHaa you get a +1 from me just for the title
 
8:46 PM
\o/ love
Aaaaah booooo going to be closed
:(
 
@tereško how did you know it's invasive by the way?
 
because of the deep stack-trace, I did not "know" per se ... it was more of an informed guess
 
Hmmm...
is it possible to determine the size of a resource/stream?
because i have this: $handle = popen("tail -50l /home/tf2server/gameserver/tf/logs/".$read1,"r");
$read = fread($handle, 2096);
 
@tereško this is what shows up on the artisan CLI, although in the system you can turn that off..
 
however, it's not reading the whole thing..
Anyone? xD
 
9:06 PM
@VoidWhisperer isn't a stream continuous? how do you compute the size if it is then? (i'm not sure but im referring to radio streams and stuff)
 
well
resource then
 
9:32 PM
Is it normal to get regularly on OS X the warning: Dock quit unexpectedly ? (not sure about the English localization…)
 
Never seen that
 
@PeeHaa I get sometimes a ten per day, sometimes none…
 
Can the OSX dock have 3rd-party plugins? Cos it sounds like something is segfaulting it.
I know nothing about it, only what that behaviour would mean in other contexts
 
hmmm.... i have installed using phpSQLiteAdmin using apt-get install php5-sqlite from Putty. How do i view it?
 
hello all having annoying problems saving to my database anyone anygood at it ?
 
9:46 PM
hmm .. I'm out of votes
 
@NokImchen that doesn't sound like the right package name
@user2800614 As you will be told over and over again in any chat forum you go into: Don't ask to ask, just ask.
 
well i have asked here but i am having no luck on answers stackoverflow.com/questions/18968345/…
 
@user2800614 they are not just good, they are the "gods" at it :P
 
lol
i have no clue why my codes not working i've used a similar code before lol
 
@NokImchen apt-cache show php5-sqlite - that's just the PHP module for using SQLite
 
9:50 PM
@IMSoP i don't know about the package name,. but phpsqliteadmin.sourceforge.net says to run apt-get install php4-sqlite , so i run apt-get install php5-sqlite
 
@NokImchen that's a pre-requisite, not the package itself
 
@IMSoP oh! may be i need this apt-get install sqlite3 or am i wrong again? :|
 
you need either a package for phpSQLiteAdmin, or to download their tarball
 
are you using linux ? nok imchen
 
@user2800614 he mentioned apt-get, so presumably he's using either Debian, Ubuntu, or something descended from them
so, yes
 
9:55 PM
yes! i was on that page! and i closed it! 'Cos i don't know what to do after installation! is it right to do this:
wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/phpsqliteadmin/phpSQLiteAdmin/phpSQLiteAdmin-0.3-Alpha1/phpSQLiteAdmin-0.3a1.tar.gz
dpkg --install phpSQLiteAdmin-0.3a1.tar.gz
@user2800614 yes, m using derbian :)
 
@NokImchen tar -xzvf phpSQLiteAdmin-0.3a1.tar.gz
it's not a package file, just a "tarball"
 
i'm a ubuntu user i've never tired derbian
 
.tar.gz ~= .zip
 
@IMSoP yesm i knw tar is a compressed file. But i dont know how to handle it in Linux
 
lol
 
9:56 PM
@user2800614 Debian is where Ubuntu originated, so very similar in terms of managing the software
 
eee! tar -xzvf phpSQLiteAdmin-0.3a1.tar.gz extrcated so many files!
 
hah!
 
@user2800614 i have tried both :P
 
@NokImchen ^_^
 
this is why people laugh at ubuntu users
 
9:57 PM
now i dont know what to do with so many extracted files! Someone guide me...
 
in case you're wondering, those tar arguments are "eXtract gZipped Verbosely fromFilename"
in case you're not wondering, I'll shut up ;)
 
he wasn't
 
i think i should have extracted it in the var/www/ folder ?
 
he is treating it as form of magic
 
@NokImchen nope, thats the usual apache public folder, right?
 
9:59 PM
ya know, those modern operating systems let you also MOVE the directories
 
you'll expose those files on the internets..
 
@tereško noo!! but i didnt know *xzvf * :( but i did knw that its'll extrcat something!
 

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