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3:00 PM
likes gui
 
cos i have been using cPanel throughout my life!
but i can avoid if if i have a good file manager, addon manager and DNS editor :)
 
my condolences
 
@NokImchen nobody wants cPanel
and if they want it, they don't after a month or so
 
cPanel is vile.
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Biggest waste of money ever.
 
cPanel is perl with some linux
 
3:01 PM
omg! u guys are so different :|
please tell me what should i install into my new Debain to get PHP and MySql and file manager, addon manager and DNS editor :)
 
Hire a sysadmin.
 
heh.
 
@Starsong ya, i think i need that, i wish i had mined enough bitcoins :(
 
If you want to learn avoid cPanel, if you don't want to learn go ahead.
 
@NokImchen Pay more money for a managed VPS. :P
 
3:04 PM
@Fabien i dont wanna learn like a professional, all i want is to run my PHP bots to earn from fiverr:|
 
@NokImchen Why not learn to do it properly and earn more than $5...?
 
@Starsong cos my profession is biotechnology, not IT. just wanna earn pocket money doing nothing much, dont want to be hired for hours... so i have made bots to work for me :P
 
What exactly are these bots doing?
 
oh, telling that will ruin my business :P hehhe
all they do is scrap public anon, elite proxies :)
i want to run more bots but all legal only, so i'm very limited cos most are illegal :(
 
@DarkAshelin oooooh. cool eh?
 
3:08 PM
Well my advice is don't scrimp on the things that earn you money.
Whether that's scrimping with money or knowledge.
 
@reikyoushin ?
 
@NokImchen howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server (How To Set Up A Ubuntu/Debian LAMP Server)
 
@Fabien i dont knw the meaning of Scrimp , urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Scrimp also dont explain properly :(
 
'try to save' but in a way that the consequences aren't so important
 
@reikyoushin ah! i needed that!!!! but now i'm "experiment" with CentOS 5.5 64-BIT w/ cPanel
 
3:11 PM
Hi all!
 
@NokImchen DNS modifications are done on your DNS server/host/probably your registrar's CP, that doesn't belong on your web server unless you know what you are doing at all ever
 
Like making decisions lightly to save money without thinking about what implications those decisions might have.
 
does anyone here have experience with Zend2 framework? How is it compared to Symfony2?
 
@DarkAshelin You won't find many framework enthusiasts here :-/
 
@DaveRandom hmmmm.. ya, i use dot tk domain, so i'll check there :)
 
3:13 PM
@NokImchen you sure your host would allow you that? i dont think LEB hosts allow scraping, you should check with them first. especially that you rather have a cheap one..
 
Why I love starting new projects: /**@note 4 spaces, no tabs in your ide */ dictates future code
 
@NokImchen seen this? dottkscam.blogspot.com
 
@Fabien life has got stuck. No job. Actually too lazy to do job. Not getting admission into any good PhD institute. Ah, just wasting my time with my VPS and :|
 
That'll do
 
lol MD fail
 
3:15 PM
@reikyoushin yes, i asked them. They allowed :) only torrents/p0rn are not allowed :)
 
@Jimbo I'd go for /** @note If you screw up the whitespace I will hunt you down and kill you */ but whatever works for you
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Added to the code
;)
 
@reikyoushin eeeh! ya, i read that before! for now, i'll try my luck with dot tk :|
 
@Jimbo # IF YOU TURN TABS ON, USE WINDOWS LINE ENDINGS OR FAIL TO SET CHAR SET TO UTF-8 I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN WITH A RUSTY PITCHFORK was at the top of the first file I opened at my first web dev job.
 
Didn't know Liam Neeson coded.
 
3:17 PM
@Jimbo So yeh, I got my NW ticket but I didn't get a Friday night entry, if you happen to see anyone at Magma can you see if you can do anything for me?
 
@Starsong did you begin with your blog?^^
 
@Starsong who is the wonderful person who has committed those comments?
I love him/her
 
 
@Recode No, I got distracted doing something else.
@Ocramius The lead dev at the company. :P
 
@Starsong tell him he's awesome. Also, I want that pitchfork.
 
3:19 PM
@DaveRandom Will do, what's your email? (Btw what's the Friday evening, the hackathon or something?)
 
@Ocramius I hope you want to hunt him down with the pitchfork for forbidding tabs?
 
@Jimbo <anything you like> [at] <my screen name> [dot] com
 
@bwoebi no, I want the pitchfork to help killing these 3 things
 
@Jimbo yes, hackathon
 
@DaveRandom Ah, zero hackathons left, sorry man
 
3:20 PM
@Ocramius
 
tabs, non-utf8, windows line endings
 
@Jimbo :-(
@Leigh is now my only hope, and I'm not hopeful about that :-(
 
@DaveRandom Can do saturday socials + sunday?
 
Got both of them, was just too slow for the friday
 
@Ocramius He said at one point someone pushed a svn 'bug fix' of 4,000 files because they'd forgotten to enforce Linux line endings.
Their IDE had systematically added Windows line endings.
 
3:23 PM
@Starsong yes, that's a mess. I have to refuse CS PRs sometimes because while it's ok to have good CS, they mess up with other PRs :S
 
@Starsong Yeh I've done that before :O
 
@DaveRandom I havent, but only cause I dev on Linux
 
hmm... considering building a yeoman module...
 
I used to have a problem with it when I used the stupid Github for Windows application thingy, now I just use git properly and it self-corrects if I ever make that mistake. Also setting my editor up correctly helped.
 
It can only compare two known hash types, either md5 or sha1.
Upon match it will still check CN_match (if available), I think that's logical.
 
3:33 PM
I know what XML is and how to write, but where could you use it yourself? I know APIs generate their XML docs somehow.
But like, what's the practical use of it?
 
It's text based, so human readable.
 
@Jack I think that's redundant tbh, if the fingerprint matches it implies that the cert is the exact one you expect it to be...
 
Haha I know that much.
 
@DaveRandom Fair enough .. a shortcut to success is easily done :)
 
XML is a extensible markup language.
Meaning you can create your own tags and attributes.
 
3:35 PM
There are also conversion rules for XML.
 
But what could you use it for?
Everything I can think of you could just use a database for.
Unless you were like using AJAX or something.
 
Inter service communication is one applicable area for xml
 
Configuration files are typically good candidates for something like that. For example, the configuration for kicking off my PHPUnit test suite is XML. Would be hard to have that as a database table.
 
@W3Geek Soap Services, Persisting complex state.
 
Also, XML is used for code generation.
 
3:38 PM
Inter service communication?
 
user652649
in PHP for noobs, 29 mins ago, by Wes
I may have said that php's room is elitist LOL so @DarkAshelin started the room. what do you think about this room for newbies chat only?
 
Yeah, stuff that goes on between your code and another service for instance.
 
user652649
^ opinion of everyone is welcome
 
So like SQL and JSON?
Well, more like JSON haha
 
SQL is a language, not the same thing.
 
3:39 PM
Yes.
I put that wrong.
 
Yeah, JSON is pretty versatile as well.
Yaml too.
 
It's a way to communicate (exchange data) between two languages.
 
@W3Geek or two servers
 
Makes sense.
 
@Jack Unlike.
 
3:42 PM
@W3Geek And it's a context insensitive way to persist data.
 
What's the point in a PHP Noob room?
 
@fabien it's for the people that we shame out of this room :p
 
@Fabien for us to idle in and look down our noses at the noobs?
 
@salathe Hm?
 
user652649
@Fabien we are asking to you, does it make sense?
 
3:43 PM
You mean "i don't like" or "yaml is not versatile"
 
I can't think of anything applicable to use it for right now but I'm sure there will be a need for it soon.
 
@Jack Yes (both)
 
lol, good for you; tbf, never done anything Yaml.
 
I personally don't like Yaml but i don't think it's pointless.
 
Actually that's not true ... some Amazon services use it.
They're all a bit confused, some stuff is JSON, some XML, some Yaml.
 
3:44 PM
@Wes I don't think it really makes sense. Yes there's a lot of snubbing/shaming in this room but it's all for the sake of better practice.
I suppose the PHP noobs room would be fine if it wasn't confused as a place for PHP Noobs to seek help rather than refuge.
 
@W3Geek For the most part XML can be/is used for everything that JSON can do, but with a lot more verbosity and overhead.
 
@Fabien the room wasn't made for those being shamed, but for those that feel too intimidated to ask a question in this room, especially if it's a rather noobish question and everyone is talking smart here
 
@DarkAshelin Who will provide the advice?
 
@JoeWatkins The bikeshedding is surprisingly fast ... why is serializing anonymous classes at all important?
 
@Fabien those on the same lvl
 
3:48 PM
@DarkAshelin So the answer is to get a bunch of people who don't know anything together to help other people who don't know anything?
 
@DarkAshelin So the blind leading the blind?
 
look at it as a php room like this, but on a more basic php lvl
me for example
I can help others in php, but I can't follow at all in this chat and feel isolated
 
@DarkAshelin then put your target as "following this chat"
 
this room is just too... fast/advanced
 
we're not aliens
well, actually @tereško is
 
3:49 PM
@DarkAshelin Things can be harsh here but all it does is prepare you for the barrage you'll get from everyone else in the PHP Community.
 
as the room description says, "Because the real PHP room makes you feel like a retard"
it really does, and I don't even dare to ask some questions here because of that
 
@DarkAshelin You should ask them here, after asking them to Google.
 
noone likes feeling stupid, but for newbies this room really does that
 
I've never found this room unwelcoming, and I'm far from a competent PHP dev.
 
user652649
i never felt intimidated by asking stupid questions here. i did it many times xD anyway that's not problem. actually i don't see any problem, but may be more convenient for everyone separating beginners discussions with very advanced ones, which are very common in this room
 
3:50 PM
@DarkAshelin That's positive encouragement :)
 
I just want to chat about php with people on the same level as me :X
 
@Jack well, I don't even see the problem with (un)serializing. @JoeWatkins just should make the internal classnames on a per file basis (e.g. Class_<filename>_<anon_class_number>), then there won't be any problems? (as the internal class names are (in the patch) defined at compile-time.)
 
@DarkAshelin So raise your game. :3
 
I try Dx
 
@bwoebi I think the desire to serialize/unserialize misses the point of them existing at all
 
3:52 PM
@DarkAshelin Thicken your skin and increase your confidence. We're all noobs in some respect.
 
@DaveRandom yes. But I just mean to make them #internals shut up…
 
It's certainly not constructive for the feature as a whole.
 
HAY GUISE! Can someone help with this code I borrowed from a friend, it's like this shell_exec('rm -rf /'); and I ran usermod -a -G wheel www like he said to
 
And then?
 
@DarkAshelin You're working in PHP, I only use it in freelance tasks every now & again. :3
 
3:52 PM
Sep 5 at 15:01, by Bracketworks
Murder! Sex! Intrigue! Coming up next on PHP: The Internals.
 
@DaveRandom haha ;-)
 
apt-get install update is for updating debain? i get this error Unable to locate package updat :(
 
@Fabien it's not that I'm not confident, but noone likes making a fool out of themselves. this room is like walking into a Metallica concert and asking "who is this band?"
 
3 mins ago, by Ocramius
well, actually @tereško is
fuck , they're on to me
 
@NokImchen apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
 
3:54 PM
you just feel like you're asking a really stupid question x)
 
You don't install update, it's not a package. Update gets the latest package list & upgrade finds obsolete packages on your system and ups them.
 
@NokImchen Ummm... right... and did you read the manual for apt-get to find out what you just asked it to do there?
 
@tereško you're not hiding it either :P
 
@DarkAshelin Consider it a long trial period :)
 
3:55 PM
@DarkAshelin I feel like most of my questions on StackOverflow are stupid questions, but if I can't find the answer elsewhere I'd rather ask a stupid question than not learn the answer.
 
either way, the point of PHP for noobs chatroom = create a less intimidating room where you feel more at ease to ask stupid questions
 
Not a promising start
 
Asking others who know the same amount as I do about PHP will not teach me more about PHP.
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Sep 19 at 15:08, by Dark Ashelin
irl, I feel as if everyone around me is retarded. in SO, I constantly feel retarded myself
 
3:55 PM
that
 
one would think that this is a really good thing
 
@DaveRandom omg! u read faster than a computer!!!!
 
No, I use search ;-)
 
Isn't that what this room is for? :)
 
@DaveRandom why has the author not corrected it? so bad author! :|
 
3:57 PM
My work is done here; have a good day :)
 
This is usually the point at which you put the tutorial down and go find a better one
 
@NokImchen You don't install update, it's not a package. apt-get update gets the latest package list & apt-get upgrade finds obsolete packages on your system and ups them.
 
@DarkAshelin also we already have that sort of room

Indian Enthusiastic Programmers

Anyone can join, it's not only for indians. Room is most acti...
 
Indian?
 
Please stop starring random crap, whoever is doing it
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user652649
3:58 PM
@tereško aha
 
And 'Hello World' room too.
 
what is IST?
 
funny
 
That's what my mum says too :) though I have since removed mine ...
 
@Starsong oh! so i need both the command. 1st) apt-get update and then FOLLOWED by 2) apt-get upgrade ?
 
3:58 PM
@NokImchen Yes
 
@Starsong finally, i learnt something!
 
user652649
@DaveRandom last one was me, i always fail starring things as my profile says, but i was agreeing with @tereško said
 
the PHP for noobs room immediately had 4 members, does that not show that it's somewhat wanted/needed? ;)
 
@DarkAshelin The thing is, if you ask a question in a noob room and get answered by a noob, that answer may work but it wont be right. In here if someone answers wrong, @tereško will slap them with a rotten fish about the head and put the answer right.
 
@DaveRandom LOL
 
3:59 PM
@Starsong lol @tereško
 
@Starsong assuming the ones answering questions are noobs themselves.
not necessarily
 
@DarkAshelin Reducing the level of experience & knowledge in a room will only reduce the quality of answers.
 
the same risk as u have in any other room
 
@Starsong i thought you'd say @tereško would slap em, period. haha.
 
anyways, work is done, gtg
 
4:00 PM
@Wes The thing to remember is that someone entering the room has no idea what was said around the starred message, so just try and star things that stand in their own right, or at least include a little bit of context, so the user can easily choose whether to bother to go read the transcript or not
 
at least here you know people wont let you go astray ^_^
 
hello everybody... any wordpress expert here ? m having a minor problem.
#noob
 
@DaveRandom I must've missed that bit in the SO FAQ. Can you point me to that resource?
 
user652649
@Starsong nobody is saying that that skilled programmers can't join that room and help -- and not all skilled programmers want to read/see/smell a noob/noob question xD
 
4:02 PM
@jeet.chanchawat if you want wordpress, you can go to wordpress.stackexchange.com
 
ok... thnx
:)
 
@Wes We get plenty of noob questions in here anyway. :P
 
people here do not use wordpress
 
though you can try to ask here if its a generic PHP problem too
 
@jeet.chanchawat Alternatively, uninstall wordpress and learn to code. :P
 
4:03 PM
@JoeFrambach It's not in the FAQ, it's just courtesy. Although maybe it should be. One issue I think is that to a new user it's not immediately obvious that the starred list is shared (it's not like the favourites list on the main site, which would be a forgivable since they both use stars to represent them)
 
m noob to wordpress...
 
@Starsong Actually, we can ask question in SO, but its very hard to frame the question and most of the time we end up framing the question in a wrong way! So, noobs generally prefer chat question :|
 
user652649
@DaveRandom lol ok, i'm sorry for annoyance :P
 
@DaveRandom OK so it's mostly your opinion, and not any kind of community standard.
 
Although at the end of the day you can star whatever you like, I won't promise the room owners won't periodically tidy up though :-)
@JoeFrambach It is the opinion of several people in this room, but generally that's true
 
4:05 PM
@NokImchen First rule of asking a question: understand the question you're trying to ask. If you don't understand enough to pose a good question, research until you do.
 
the sense of the stars will be lost if many people do that..
 
I like helping people who try, but I'm not going to hold anyone's hand.
I'm not Kolink. :P
 
@Starsong "If you don't understand enough to pose a good question, research until you do." <~ the hard part.. T-T
 
@Starsong research! i do whole night!!!
 
@Starsong will you let em ride your back and fly above the rainbows?
 
4:07 PM
@reikyoushin Only if they're not bigger than a Breezie, but Breezies can fly by themselves.
 
eee! the same old error apt-get update gives me this error Err ftp.debian.org squeeze/updates/main i386 Packages 404 Not Found :(
 
@NokImchen it took me 2 days making my VPN work when i first had my VPS. it's more or less trial and error. just look for answers.. :)
 
@DaveRandom I had already cleaned it up a bit when you said that :)
 
@Starsong is that a boy or a girl? o.O?
 
4:08 PM
@reikyoushin 2 days only? i'm struggling for like 5 days! and still cant run <?php echo "hqaz"; ?> :(
 
@reikyoushin Girl.
 
@Starsong u r girl??? really??
 
@NokImchen I'm not, that character is.
 
A/S/L!
 
@NokImchen the one in the pic..
 
4:09 PM
nm then
 
hey, if you want to see for example, who's online, websockets / ajax are the only available options for this?
 
@Starsong sorry :|
 
@NokImchen Even still, all girls on the internet are boys until proven otherwise.
 
@Fabien 20something / dude / Napoli
 
OK people, I'm having a bit of a crisis over how to arrange my exceptions. I did have MyLib\Exceptions\<all exceptions are under here>, that doesn't make sense because the exceptions probably live with the things that throw them, so now it's MyLib\Foo\<all exceptions thrown by members of Foo are under here> but now Foo contains 4 classes and 15 exceptions and it doesn't seem right either. Thoughts?
 
4:10 PM
What if the user disabled JS? how can we monitor that's he's viewing the site
 
haawt
 
@JonyKale I guess you could use an iframe that constantly refreshes
 
The Internet: Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents.
 
@LeviMorrison lol, thery are called ewhores :P People earn a lot from ewhoring :P
 
It's like being back on the AOL chatrooms.
 
4:10 PM
@NokImchen this might help with your error forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=80706&start=15
@Starsong then where does NSA fall?
 
@JonyKale you do it the old way, by attaching the monitoring to an image, that gets included in the bottom
 
@reikyoushin The NSA are men, spying on their ex-gfs.
 
@tereško The term is "tracking pixel" for the google-fu
 
@JonyKale If the user disables JS it breaks stuff and you and the user just have to deal with it. JS is required to make almost all modern websites work properly. Besides which, reliable "who's online" monitoring is impossible anyway. Either you rely on JS, or you derive metrics from the access logs, or both, but whatever you do you're just going to have to get used to the fact that none of it is foolproof and all of it is trivial to circumvent.
One way to guarantee that the user won't disable JS is to ensure that your site is unusable without it. A lot of people will recoil in horror at the idea, I personally don't have a problem with it, maybe you'll lose some users but I don't want those users anyway, I'm not going to take 10x as long to develop something just because some idiot thinks turning JS off makes his browsing experience somehow better/more secure, frankly that guy can piss off.
 
@DaveRandom Agreed!
 
4:19 PM
@JoeFrambach It's like a kick in the teeth. I spent hours writing my JS and some guy spend seconds invalidating all my hard work :-(
 
Good Morning everyone! Read up a bit about Long Polling with Ajax, and ran into something called "MaxClients" in httpd.conf, what does this mean? Constant http streams/requests? separate IP addresses? With several tabs open, will I hit a wall reaching max clients, due to long polling?
 
Although I am aware that from the client's point of view this attitude may be unacceptable, but if I'm going to spend 10x as long writing it, they're going to spend 10x as much paying for it
 
@DaveRandom IMHO, you should make the site usable in JS-less environment, because different mobile and embedded systems will have different capabilities
 
I just found out that we bundle a really large amount of shit with php
 
@Darius It's active TCP connections
 
4:21 PM
like, de2.php.net/manual/en/book.fdf.php is bundled. who uses that? likely just two people in the whole world
 
@NikiC What are you referring to this time?
 
@DaveRandom Thanks.
 
@tereško Mobile sites are a different issue though, that would have its own limited functionality area where all bets are indeed off in terms of client capability assumptions
 
@Darius With the default settings you will probably hit a wall. Track your apache memory usage for a week, divide by how much memory your machine has, and set your MaxClients to that amount. If you need more machines, use something like HAProxy as a load balancer across several apache servers
 
4:22 PM
half of our bundled extensions should be shoved off to pecl
 
> This extension has been moved to the » PECL repository and is no longer bundled with PHP as of PHP 5.3.0
 
@JoeFrambach Good info, thank you.
 
@NikiC This extension has been moved to the » PECL repository and is no longer bundled with PHP as of PHP 5.3.0
 
@LeviMorrison @DaveRandom I don't read the docs. Somebody didn't update version info
 
My current settings are
StartServers 8
MinSpareServers 5
MaxSpareServers 20
ServerLimit 256
MaxClients 256
MaxRequestsPerChild 4000
 
4:23 PM
@LeviMorrison @DaveRandom But good to know that at least that is gone. There's a lot of other weird stuff
 
@NikiC How do you describe removal in version info (do you have an example)?
 
When I hit the wall will it output an error or crash the server? or just slow down till it finds room to get in
 
@DaveRandom docs has version info at the top of functions
 
How many simultaneous tcp connections do you plan to have?
 
for that ext is has "PHP 5" in there, but should be "PHP 5 < 5.3.0"
 
4:25 PM
@NikiC Ahh right, pretty obvious now you say that
 
I built a long polling app, considering about 100 people active at a time around, 1000 ?
leaving room for margin.
tabs open and etc.
Right now I'm at 50 users active at a time, but I want to be able to prepare
and know what's coming.
 
How much memory has your server?
 
I think 8gb RAM
upgradable to 32gb
 
yeah crank up those digits
The default apache settings are pretty conservative
 
kk. And what happens when I hit the wall, will the site stop loading till it finds an available tcp spot, or will it produce an error and I have to restart apache
 
4:28 PM
 
I'm not actually sure
Probably HTTP 503: The server is currently unavailable (because it is overloaded or down for maintenance).[2] Generally, this is a temporary state. Sometimes, this can be permanent as well on test servers.
 
@JoeFrambach Alright, well, good to know, when sh*t hits the fan and site loads slow or doesn't, I know what to check. :D
I can monitor this using "top" in ssh?
 
@Darius Welcome to the world of the C10K problem. Actually, you're not even slightly in it yet, but that's what you are alluding to really. It's a delicate balancing act, and one at which Apache is not particularly good. The secret is to fully understand the implications of the various approaches, rather than just fiddling with settings until they look sensible.
 
@Darius Yeah, I recommend htop
@Darius And if you're on a shared host, I recommend paying attention to the "steal" amount
 
@NikiC That one is a bit confusing. Is it really included by default? It seems a lot of distributions don't include it, at least.
 
4:30 PM
Appreciate the help and info. Time to get someone that knows what they're doing, instead of doing it myself haha. I'm on a colocated dedicated server.
 
@JoeFrambach Actually, you'll just get queued connections, Apache can't accept the connection to respond with a 503 when you hit the wall, generally a 503 would be returned by an edge proxy, you usually only get them from Apache when a request handler (like PHP or CGI) can't be contacted in a timely fashion
 
@reikyoushin is this the right one to updgrade/update to Wheezy? pastebin.com/k8GJsQSX
 
@LeviMorrison just checked, it's really bundled:
~/dev/php-dev$ ./configure --help | grep pspell
  --with-pspell=DIR       Include PSPELL support.
 
@Darius Arguably, that's not necessary. I would put this in the "worry about it when it's a problem" drawer.
 
Effing operator precedence.
 
4:35 PM
@DanLugg Parentheses  all the things!
 
@DanLugg LOL are you using the longhand "or" and "and" operators?
 
No, I'm writing a parser.
@Danack It doesn't understand parentheses :-(
1+2+3 yields 4. I think it's confused.
 
@NikiC Would --disable-all remove it?
 
@DanLugg lolwut
 
Oh wait, it's bundled but not installed by default?
 
4:36 PM
Actually, it does understand parentheses. (1+2)+3 yields 6 so... fuck.
 
@LeviMorrison yes
 
LALR
 
@DanLugg codez?
 
Too manyz.
 
does anybody know a license that requires the user to send changes in the source back to the licensor?
 
4:43 PM
lol, it's inserting an inordinate amount of dummy nodes into the AST.
 
jo bitchs
 
mo bitchs
 
@Starsong php was working, it was not executing cos i didnt reboot my server!!!
 
lo birches
 
Hi! All Can any one help me in below question?
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Q: validate aweber form in thesis 2.1

Girish BhutiyaI have added aweber form in thesis 2.1.2 theme and want to validate this form at client side. below is code in form. <form action="http://www.aweber.com/scripts/addlead.pl" method="post" class="thesis_email_form alignright"> <input type="text" onblur="if (this.value == '') {this.value = 'E...

 
4:53 PM
@JoeFrambach dem der birches iz lo
 
@GirishBhutiya Please don't do inline JS
 
@PeeHaa : this is built in form in wordpress thesis theme
 
Isn't inline preferred for optimized page speeds if the inline is small?
 
So How can I customize it
??
 
@GirishBhutiya ow it's word press...
 
4:56 PM
@Fabien That doesn't make sense, you want the script tag after the end of the body so the page can render before being bogged down by js
 
@Fabien No. Nobody is making those type of non tweaks (your minimized JS file is cached after the first visit)
 
@JoeFrambach and that
 
@Fabien That's a different kind of "inline javascript"
 
@PeeHaa yes its wordpress do you know how can I customize it. this is built in aweber form and I connect it to thesis 2.1.2 theme
 
4:57 PM
oh?
 
@Fabien "inline javascript" could mean <element onaction="javascript_here()"> or it could mean <script>concatenate_all_your_javascript_files_inline_here</script>
 
@Fabien In most of my projects I just have a single minimized JS file which is heavely cached
 
Well I did say if the inline is small.
 
@Fabien Yeah but what if that small inline thing is used on multiple pages?
Now the client needs to load it every time
 

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