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11:00 PM
@I'll-Be-Back If you're looking to start a new project, only Symfony or Zend2
 
@hakre Yep.
 
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@hakre multi-process
 
@Danack its not lightweight, I write my own.
 
@I'll-Be-Back me personally? I'm more in the no-framework camp, however, next to yolo there is silex.
@Wes what do you mean? what does this abbr. stand for?
I think it is important that a framework is both lightweight and also allows you to add your stuff on a structural level.
 
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@hakre one process per tab, as in chrom(e|ium), stands for electrolysis
 
11:02 PM
Is proxy.pieterhordijk.com down for everyone or just me?
 
Yea indeed, that is why im going to create my own simple lightweight framework
 
@PeeHaa: getting string response: "Could not connect to caching server 00"
 
@PeeHaa Down
 
so this is not down for me.
 
@hakre probably "environments"
 
11:03 PM
@hakre Yeah thought so
 
@PeeHaa well the backend seems down, frontend is working
 
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@hakre Yeah. It's not my server that is having issues
 
@hakre there is also the need to be able to test your own code outside the framework
 
@tereško at least. - everything else is just shifting your code into the community project and slowing things down.
 
11:05 PM
as UncleBob says: framework is a detail
 
I want a framework that I don't have to force myself to have MVC style.
 
@I'll-Be-Back why don't you start with your own frontend controller and a vendor directory you can put third party code in?
I mean if you're creating a web-application server side.
 
vendor directory?
 
@tereško where did he say so? and I'm not so sure if uncle bob loves specific details.
 
I have a lot of options to think of.. need to think what I want and what is sutitable.
 
11:09 PM
@I'll-Be-Back the vendor directory is typically a directory in your application that you reserve to place third-party code there-under.
 
he had an hour long rant in RubyCon
 
so vendor is short for third-party.
@tereško about how he loves details? like his small dogs?
 
this thing
 
yeah that one is great.
 
11:10 PM
Is there an app for this chat room?
on android.
 
unfortunately he based the "mvc sucks" part of that rant on assumption that "rails is mvc"
 
that was my review that time.
 
@tereško you loves MVC.
 
i'm currently a but busy rewriting this thing: stackoverflow.com/a/10960679/727208
not sure if it's worth the effort , but ..
 
23 edits in the queue! get to work people
:)
 
11:14 PM
what edits , where ?
 
@tereško funny and good to know. I hope I meet one developer face to face and have some nice time next month.
 
@tereško stackoverflow.com/review only 20 now
 
@tereško You've got some savings - are you going to buy it ellislab.com/blog/entry/… ?
 
@hakre i will ping you when the update is done
 
Ca. a year ago we had a lot of discussions which framework to choose as skeleton for an application that had no framework underneath so far.
in the end it turned the choice to Yii. It somehow turned me away from that project (for various reasons), but sure it's interesting to find out what the concrete experiences are one year after.
 
11:16 PM
I have 10 month of experience with that framework
 
@Danack Ellis-Lab was always bad with public communication, and this one is the most fishy thing I got from their marketing department.
It's actually sad, because you don't sell it for such a low price.
Even if it got a bad reputation in some developer communities.
There are still many users that would be willing to take over.
It's just that they don't offer it for free.
@PeeHaa: Nice favicon :D - and let me know when to run tests again
 
@hakre :)
 
why do I exploit all those cool Q&A tools only in the end to consume alcohol and other drugs in front or partially next to my computer?
was it meant that way?
 
yes!
 
I just wrote a version parser in C that (almost) exactly follows SemVer.
I have 100% no use for this.
 
11:32 PM
I love writing parsers.
Especially if they come close to 100%
Even better if they get 100%; but:
@LeviMorrison what does it mean when a parser exactly follows SemVer?
 
guys, imagine a networking pyramid.. and a table of users, which points to itself. what would that relation be? is that 1:n or n:n?
 
@reikyoushin it is 1:n if you take the 1 from the top of the pyramid but generally n:n and you do the aggergate on the steps of the pyramid in practice.
That means with 7 steps in your pyramid you're close to perfect, but you can do more if you like to be more perfect.
This is bascially a question that you ask yourself.
 

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