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@tereško wow the advantages of being good at something :)
 
@Ant100 learn hard :-)
@bwoebi are you trying to steal my bounty hahahaha !
 
@HamZa haha yeah! on my way to it :)
 
@HamZa surely; what do you expect … haha^^
 
@bwoebi hehe, good job :P
 
11:16 PM
in fact, currently im thinking about offer multiple bounty's cuz your answer and @HamZa answer are really good :2 — iim.hlk 5 mins ago
 
@bwoebi I read that ...
 
@bwoebi hey hey, bugs are natural !
 
but at least, we have addcslashes :-) (I fear only little people know it)
 
/me goes to php.net + / + addcslashes
 
11:20 PM
(not to confuse with addslashes)
Wtf is \f?! print ord("\f"); outputs 12… But why is this in an escape sequence?!
 
form feed
 
@bwoebi So that you can escape while you escape :3
 
you guys know a lot. I really wish i was a computer science student instead of a comunications one. I could spend my evenings studying C instead of csr D:
 
@Jack what is form feed?! I saw this also, but what was/is it supposed to do?
 
@Ant100 I learned programming by myself, now I'm learning it at school and I realised they teach you crap
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11:31 PM
@HamZa haha really? what I know of php i've learned it by myself too, but i feel like there are basics things people keep talking about I have no idea where they've learnt them
 
@bwoebi It's a printer command actually.
It's basically a page break.
 
@Jack ah okay, thank you
 
@Ant100 Yeah really, the stuff is outdated (I talk about a couple of years). Security is 0, and sadly enough it happens even on higher levels (near uni level)
 
(we really often need printer commands in PHP, yeah… :o)
 
@Ant100 The problem is, if it gets more difficult, there would be more dropouts. So maybe that's a good reason why they don't level up.
 
11:36 PM
@HamZa but then they get a bunch of outdated students D:
 
@HamZa Are you in the US?
 
@tereško Glad to hear it. I've heard you say that type of thing several times though; you really going to do it this time?
 
@Ant100 It's all about the money, I heard that the school gets paid for each diploma earned by a student
 
@LeviMorrison yes
 
@cspray Nope, the netherlands
 
11:38 PM
@HamZa That's actually...more disappointing. I was hoping at least it was better in other places.
 
@HamZa that makes sense. They dont really care about what type of education they are giving. It's pretty much the same where i live.
 
Which, I mean, I'm sure it is
And not all places in the US are bad
But, you're right, it is hard to find the right CS program.
 
@cspray Yeah, I believe there may be "good" schools here too.
@Ant100 Well they do care a bit, since the government is now seeking for "good education"
 
@HamZa ah not my government. So I should just keep learning by myself. Maybe if I start learning C I'll get a better understandment? I went straight to php and know nothing else.
 
@Ant100 I hope you did start with html/css ?
 
11:45 PM
@HamZa yes! that I know :)
 
@Ant100 I don't think that C is necessary to learn PHP as a language
If you wanted to know how PHP works internally then absolutely yes you must know C
 
@Ant100 hehe, I started with PHP. Although I tried learning JAVA and C, but PHP was fairly easier to learn.
 
@cspray hmm.. what I would like is to understand PHP.
 
blah
 
@ircmaxell ?
 
11:47 PM
lol
 
@cspray I think it's important to know the principles of C. The way non-memory-managed code works. You should always understand (at a cursory level at least) one abstraction level below where you're currently working
 
@Ant100 Well, I read the php.net reference material and wrote a lot of trial/error code :P
 
@HamZa I'm not too off track then :)
 
@ircmaxell Fair enough. However, if you're first learning PHP I don't think you should be concerning yourself with the underlying abstraction. I believe that should wait until you're more comfortable with the language.
 
agree
 
11:49 PM
@Ant100 nope :p
 
I'm actually starting to go through the article you co-wrote with @NikiC on learning PHP internals. I feel like I've reached that point in PHP knowledge to want to know more about the abstraction :P
 
have you seen: www.phpinternalsbook.com ?
 
@ircmaxell I have. That is what actually spurred me into reading the initial series
 
:-D
 
I really wanna know more about how classes and objects are handled internally
 
11:51 PM
@cspray I'm definetely not at that level yet lol. I'll keep digging my way into php.
 
Awesome!
 
@bwoebi That "parse an array construct" question sounds a lot like XY to me :)
 
Yeah :)
 
XY problem :O
How would you handle it ?
 
11:57 PM
I wouldn't let it come to that, basically ... if I ever catch myself thinking "hey, I could just store php code in a variable" I know that it's time to see a psychiatrist.
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It's just a really stupid problem to have.
 
@HamZa Wherever he's generating that php code and storing it in a string - don't do that. Store it in a sensible format.
 
I'm getting a segfault consistently in my C program, so I ran it through gdb to find the problem but then it doesn't ever segfault. It's not multi-threaded or using sockets or file descriptors or anything; it is purely computational. Curse you, hidden segfault!
 
@Jack hahaha I know lol. But what if you had to ?
 
@LeviMorrison Aww man, I hate that!
 

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