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5:19 AM
morning
 
5:31 AM
good morning
 
 
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7:49 AM
lol cerbrus still at -4
 
Could you at least spell my name right?
 
didnt notice i thought there was one "e" more
@Cerbrus wasnt intentional
 
 
2 hours later…
9:52 AM
-3 again
 
hmm ?
do you get it ? i dont see why its in the negative still
 
that post is getting way out of hand, volume-wise
 
@AndrasDeak Not surprising
 
i dont see much activity for the last 10-12 hours
 
@Shubhank it started getting way out of hand more than 12 hours ago, then:P
 
9:59 AM
yup. i just realised late that those poor answers will make the post look so stupid in the end :p
 
that's normal for meta, don't worry about it
 
okay
 
the only thing that matters is to reach some kind of solution that is acceptable for everybody
 
yup, i think madara might participate with an answer..
the only answer left.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Madara didn't answer, though.
Which I'd completely understand, as I'm pretty done with the issue as well.
 
10:02 AM
freezing around is being taken care by him only i believe, he will be interested to give a definite answer i think.
 
Nah, not only Madara froze a room.
 
you mean Shog ?
oh, Jon did too i remember.
 
Shog, TLM, Jon
 
and just because Madara moderates rooms, it doesn't mean that he has a suggestion to change the status quo
anyway, while ideas such as from Undo are great, the decision has to be made by SO staff
 
and i have no idea how much do i have to wait for it lol
 
10:10 AM
weeks
or more
this is no easy problem
 
will this chat room exist for weekss
 
and sometimes SO staff takes its time even with easy problems...
@Shubhank this chat room will exist forever
 
:/
ok, let me ask it from the other way round.. Will the decision be finally posted to the relevant chat rooms ? :p
i kind of check every hour for an update on that question.
 
only if somebody notices
 
no benefit if i know its going to take weeks
 
10:12 AM
the major problematic foreign rooms will probably be informed if something's going on
like, they will be frozen/deleted/migrated to SE:P
 
yeah.. its not yours so you are just chilling :p
 
you should favourite the meta discussion and check back every once in a while, see if anything's happened
 
time bomb is on ours :D
 
as I'm told, you've had a lot of time to defuse it
you were just sitting on it instead
 
mine is english only for like 4-5 monthss.
a very good room with 800 k messages
 
10:14 AM
any room that is willing to work in English should not worry
the question is what will happen with stubbornly foreing-language rooms
 
my problem is that only. i only have to tell everyone to use english, they dont care. to them its freeze- then be it lol
its not easy to explain to them.
 
well, the room has to make it crystal clear that all discussion should be in English, and those who intentionally violate it should be kickbanned ASAP
you have to be firm, or you'll be dragged down into the mud
 
haha, it will become me vs them. i would like some help with some official rules or just a little freedom. i am kind of judged from both side
 
of course:) and that's what this discussion is all about
there's already a semi-official note by Shog from a little while back, effectively saying "use English"
but this discussion will end up with some clear-cut directions (hopefully)
another option, besides kickbanning, is using gallery mode in the room, when only those can speak who are given explicit write access
it's more tedious, and frustrating for newcomers, but you can very easily revoke the write access of those who don't abide by the rules
 
lets see. everything is going good for the room currently.
its just that it has been froze once and you know you kind of come in the bad book of the moderator.
i just want this question to be good to up my karma :p
 
10:23 AM
I don't think mods hold a grudge
especially for things like this
if you're willing to enforce the rules yourself, without outside intervention, you should be fine
 
yup, since this whole discussion have come up with a lot of rooms being targeted with flags.
 
yeah, I know
 
mods are lenient.
 
but if room owners step up and extinguish any foreign discussion (besides greetings and stuff), there would be no flagging to begin with
 
previously, they just freeze even if someone tries to argue that we can moderate.
 
10:25 AM
I've seen mods freeze rooms before, and it's not this simple
usually there are a few guys pro-actively agitating the moderator in question, showing no sign of compliance
 
current situation is mod are tired of repeating the rules and people dont know it.. we middle guys end up as the bad guy :p
 
if you piss on the table, you'll run into problems
 
well, mine was an exception. but its not really anything fruitful to go into detail.
just agree now they dont hold grudges.. i believe they might have hold previously.
 
@Shubhank currently foreign-language rooms float in a legal vacuum inside SO chat. It's a kind of privilege that these rooms are currently allowed to exist (even if this sounds shitty). So room owners have to make a lot of effort to bridge the gap there
so it's normal that you middle guys take both the blame and the work:)
it can't be done any other way
 
middle guys include us who moderate the flags too 10K +
 
10:28 AM
either you keep repeating and enforcing the rules, or mods will have to, but the latter will be short and violent
@Shubhank indeed
although if there are flags in question, there's already something wrong
ideally there should be no foreign flags, Shog himself specified this as the condition for tolerance of foreign-language rooms
if I had a room in a foreign language, I wouldn't tolerate any foreign discussion
it's a choice every room and its owners have to make
but now I have to go:)
see you later
 
cya
 
 
2 hours later…
12:01 PM
lol cerbrus still at -3
 

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