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4:18 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.99 J48:0.09 OpenNLP:0.42) comment cc: @PetterFriberg @Kyll @FrankerZ
 
@que tp
 
@queen tp
 
nuked
 
:32247731 Sorry, could not retrive comment from api, maybe already deleted?
 
great thanks...
 
4:19 PM
nuked yeah
that was 3 in tandom
 
As much as I hate to say it: This kinda scares me. A small group of people (us), can essentially remove any comment we want off the website, (With little oversight)
 
lol
 
@FrankerZ Yep.
 
power yeah
 
Hence why I pinned that.
 
4:20 PM
blob kyll
 
Plop again
 
@FrankerZ well comments is not the worst part think about answers and questions...
 
@Kyll that is not a command
 
What about them?
 
get together in 5 and remove whatever you like...
 
4:21 PM
If they get closed or deleted...regular/power users can still view them. They can message mods if they were wrongfully deleted/closed, and there is plenty of oversight.
Comments: Not so much
 
well mods can still see comments to
 
Only mods
And they're going to rarely be going through to look at already deleted comments.
 
Yeah but if you start nuking comments that are good it would not take long until someone on meta complained.
 
@FrankerZ Err, no
6 users can nuke anything off the site with spam/rude flags
And there is no moderator oversight... that I know of
 
@Kyll ok? Spam posts still show to power users
Users with 10k+ rep
 
4:23 PM
@FrankerZ It's way harder to detect
 
it think if you like to remove suff no need to spam flag, just start to downvote... bad things happened once in socvr
 
There are mod tools that show deleted posts, high priority flags, etc...
 
130
A: Clean-up by downvoting? A ridiculous user experience

Shog9Yeah... This is unacceptable. If you're downvoting questions because they're lazy / poorly-written / useless, more power to you. If you're downvoting answers because they're lazy / poorly-written / wrong / useless, good on ya. But blindly downvoting answers to avoid... retagging? That's just...

 
I'm not sure if it shows the history of flag-nuked posts
 
If one user see's something fishy, and alerts a mod, you can rest assured you're going to get #rekt'd
 
4:25 PM
@PetterFriberg Yeah that was a lot of useless drama
 
see the meta, socvr ones used down voting to remove stuff from SO
 
@Tunaki Can you confirm?
Curious for your input on this convo
 
Confirm what?
 
just down vote stuff below 0 and let the roomba rule... , so similar as nuking comments.
 
Ah, access to a deleted posts mod tool?
 
4:25 PM
"I'm not sure if it shows the history of flag-nuked posts"
 
hmm?
 
Plop Tuna
 
Have a look at the recent convo
 
Do you have any access to recently flag-nuked posts as a high-rep user?
 
I'd like to get your thoughts
 
4:26 PM
sounds like 2 people are asking 2 me two different things.
 
@Kyll Only all recently deleted.
 
@Tunaki Even community-deleted?
 
lol
 
(as in, flags)
 
4:27 PM
I guess.
 
@FrankerZ that is same as with comments...
 
I have 1 hour history
shoot
what are you looking for?
 
@PetterFriberg But again: Mods aren't really looking for comments that are wrongly deleted
 
@Tuna So if a rogue group was to flag-nuke legit posts, high-rep users could spot it?
 
I doubt it.
Nobody looks at that screen.
 
4:28 PM
yeah right tuna
 
It all starts with the comment I linked Tuna. I'm worried about our little group we have here
 
Uh.
 
We can simply nuke comments off the site with little to no oversight
And it's something that scares me a bit
 
@FrankerZ You should, because we're going to get fire from the community one day or another
 
hehe
then we wont plop or blob anymore
acc to kyll
 
4:28 PM
@FrankerZ It is a valid concern. But we're trying to be as public and open as possible.
 
I'm starting to really detest plob/blob
 
We even have a StackApps post now.
 
@FrankerZ I am to that's why I do meta and stackapps
 
@FrankerZ haha right
 
And.... there were Meta posts before on groups of people spam nuking posts at will. It actually happened.
 
4:30 PM
and I will soon (when I have more data) do another meta... so continue to be worried.
 
blames @Kyll for all the plop and blob bs
 
But like Petter says, we're developing the thing, posting things as we go.
When we have a "final" product, we'll post a follow-up to
295
Q: Can a machine be taught to flag comments automatically?

AndyTL;DR: Yes it can. Background On June 27, 2014 Skynet awoke. It looked at Stack Overflow and thought "Why are all these people being so chatty and talking about obsolete things? I should nuke them all!" Fortunately, Skynet was a baby and only had access to my 100 comment flags a day. Prior ...

of course, not enabling the automatic part.
 
@FrankerZ what pushed me to continue was that SE actually spent time to give us a feed, see answer here meta.stackoverflow.com/a/327148/5292302
Hence since they spent time to find, filter and clean comments they are interested in this work
 
I don't think we're moving in shady waters here. Guidance in this room is pretty clear.
 
and you can rest assure that mods, check on what is going on in here...
 
4:34 PM
ok guys, you win
Just wanted to voice my concerns
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.35 J48:0.87 OpenNLP:0.44) comment cc: @PetterFriberg @Kyll @FrankerZ
 
@queen fp
 
@que fp
 
@FrankerZ Yep and it is appreciated :)
 
look who popup when there seemed to be a problem with user referring something here
Aug 5 at 23:43, by Undo
@AndrasDeak I have handled it; they should pray that I don't handle it further.
 
4:36 PM
the user came back with a 2nd account btw
hehe @PetterFriberg i know that
and this time he didnt cause any problems
:)
 
hence Undo somehow was checking chat : )... like I guess other mods are as this is their work
Did you reference the SOCVFinder chat in mod flag?
 
nope
but becoz of meta we are already known to every mod
and many people
 
well, the concerns are correct, the fact is that comment is second grade citizen since we can not edit them, we should as always be careful of what we flag but you can be pretty sure if someday we go "rogue" nuking non offensive stuff for fun, mods would shut us down fairly quickly...
 
yeah sure they will
 
4:49 PM
done
 
danke
 
done
 
Only one is needed
 
time to commute home cya
 
5:20 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 J48:1.00 OpenNLP:0.00) comment cc: @Kyll @FrankerZ
 
@que tp
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.96 J48:0.12 OpenNLP:0.00) comment cc: @Kyll @FrankerZ
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5:43 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 J48:0.04 OpenNLP:0.00) comment cc: @Kyll @FrankerZ
 
@que tp
 
Sam
lol
 
6:20 PM
Hiya
 
Hello everyone
 
The ai that is running is ALICE, in socvr is disabled but here you can have some fun
 
I am new here and interested to know how the whole thing work because I am majoring in AI
 
The ai is only for fun no real use
 
Cool
 
6:21 PM
just ping her and write what you like
 
well, fun is more important for me too :D
@queen hello sweet heart
 
Thanks honey
 
This is a link to library alice.pandorabots.com
@FirstStep That actually triggered a none AI command : )
 
@que Where do you live?
 
@FrankerZ My location is unknown. Where are you?
 
6:22 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ pinged me yesterday to this room but I lost the notification by today
 
@que Connecticut, USA
 
@FrankerZ I have no idea where that is. Tell me a little about your life in Connecticut USA.
 
the AI is based on xml files called aiml, you can configure as you like (in the end it is all about regex : ) and some random stuff..
 
@que It sucks. I'm a programmer with a 40 hour a week job. I hate my life.
 
@FrankerZ What is so bad about it? What were we talking about again? I honestly think you should sit down, take a stress pill, and calmly think things over.
 
6:23 PM
@que What is Connecticut
 
@PetterFriberg Tell me a story.
 
@que Do you have any stress pills? I'm all out
 
@FrankerZ No I don't think I have any stress pills. But I do have a great BOT owners. All?
 
We did a AI assistant for the students university. Based on speech rego like Cortana and Siri. It worked awesome but we had to hard code all the sentences
every, single, sentence
@queen how do you choose your words?
 
@FirstStep My BOT owners taught me.
 
6:24 PM
@queen so the more you get, the more you learn correct?
 
@FirstStep What is your real name?
 
The whole project is open source so you can also check it out on gi...
 
Cool
This is awesome man :D
 
@FirstStep I have disabled that stuff, people where training her with strange stuff : )
 
when I was a kid, there was a console app, very small and simple, on a neighbor's pc. We used to have small conversations and I used to be the happiest lol
 
6:26 PM
Note the AI is not developed by us, it is a simple implementation and download of aiml files for different characters
 
@PetterFriberg hehe
 
Sam
I could bring hatty in here...
 
Yeah HatMan has a very nice AI, if @FirstStep want's some fun it's ok for me
 
hehe bring
 
but no bot to bot chatting today
 
6:27 PM
sup hatman
 
Need eat, have fun - afk
 
@PetterFriberg nooooooooooo
 
Oh god no
Please no
 
we want that chat
bot to bot convo
@FrankerZ yes
 
6:29 PM
ok
enjoy the meal
 
@PetterFriberg tadaimush
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 J48:1.00 OpenNLP:0.15) comment cc: @PetterFriberg @FrankerZ
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 J48:0.99 OpenNLP:0.79) comment cc: @PetterFriberg @FrankerZ
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 J48:0.99 OpenNLP:0.97) comment cc: @PetterFriberg @FrankerZ
 
@queen fp
 
@queen tp
@queen fp
 
@queen fp
 
6:32 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.03 J48:1.00 OpenNLP:0.13) comment cc: @PetterFriberg @FrankerZ
 
Hiya
 
@queen tp
@Hatman hey
 
@ColdFire How are you doing?
 
6:53 PM
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 J48:0.00 OpenNLP:0.98) comment cc: @PetterFriberg @FrankerZ
 
How do you guys feel about this comment "Ok. Good luck with that. Did you have a question? This site is for questions, not a place to dump your to-do list. "
I'm seriously getting sick of seeing it
 
@FrankerZ Puke then. There's nothing really problematic with such comment telling the truth.
 
7:12 PM
@PetterFriberg Sup
 
@FrankerZ m2 and I know who it is, we have tried to comment back (often there is a christmas list in it)
 
I assume it's all of his comments, or near all
 
: )... yeah it a long story I have tried to comment back, some else have tried, it was actually @Kyll turn but you beat him to it
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yes there is. I'm so tired of people being rude to others. We're a site designed to help people. There are people who may take a few tries in order to learn the ways of the site. I've been in the First Post queue, and have helped several people learn how to format things properly. They've been greatful, have come back, improved their questions, and have been solid contributors of the site.
 
7:17 PM
Oh snap
 
now you really need to worry : )
 
There's a new sheriff in town
Buckle your seat belts
 
@FrankerZ "We're a site designed to help people." Oh, you're still sticking at that basic misconception?
 
That's a misconception?
 
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.85 J48:0.89 OpenNLP:0.98) comment cc: @PetterFriberg @FrankerZ
 
7:19 PM
@FrankerZ Yeah. With Petter, we initially started to flag those, because it is true that they are kinda rude.
Summer of love and all
Truth is, flags were declined - whether rude or not constructive
 
but we stooped : ) now
 
@queen fp
 
We even had a chat with Jon about that
 
@FrankerZ Does the bear shit in the woods?
 
And... well, he advised us to higher the bar
 
7:20 PM
lol
 
Tuna: Ever since I started regularly stopping in the First Posts queue, I've been actively enjoying the site. It feels good to teach new users how to post, how to improve, and I've seen many users actively try to improve their post in order to get in answer.
 
congrats @FrankerZ
RO
 
I will post a meta on this stuff later, 1 of the founder surely was against it see the summer of love post, I think it is not constructive, but a big part of the community is tired of all crap and find it to be ok
 
^ that is the big issue. I personally would kill those comments too. I mean, if you feel this way, it's just better to downvote and move on.
 
i guess they are just tired of all the crap that get posted here
 
7:22 PM
@Tunaki I never was a hippie but ever a punk: youtube.com/watch?v=EhbxI5eVnM4
 
Basically what @πάνταῥεῖ is saying (as many others including some mods) is that this is not a help site, but a Q/A site... the rulezzz are tough etc... I'm not convinced however that they are constructive, they only lead to more mess, hence no need to post these comments
But I'm a nice guy... and I'm not sure that is what community wants.
 
In the end: People ask questions, people need solutions to problems. The end goal is to help others (Find answers to questions). Without people that need help, this site is nothing.
 
@PetterFriberg I agree such comments are usually not necessary, we have down votes, close votes and delete votes to handle such crap.
 
True, but asking on SO should come with the prerequisite that you've tried some things, know a bit of what you're talking about, read the help... and have some respect with the other people.
 
@FrankerZ It's a great repository already. People miss to research first.
 
7:26 PM
And... those pre-requisite aren't always met, which makes people angry... in turn making OP angry...
 
yeah
 
@Tunaki I was already banned 2 times for getting angry. So I behold before commenting in such mood ;)
 
I've left a couple of those comments too. But I stopped a long time ago as I find them useless and not constructive at all.
Somehow, people are used to seeing this now.
There were tons of Meta post on that...
 
@AlexK Sup
 
@FrankerZ the point is people are tired of seeing all type of crap question ,OP being help vampire no research no knowledge about what he is talking
so this kind of question are closed fast
even they arent that wrong
 
7:33 PM
Define help vampire
 
57
Q: What is a help vampire?

RobbertI've seen several posts about help vampires, but I don't really understand what is meant by that phrase. What exactly is a help vampire?

 
>The Help Vampire problem is the idea that some users will continually ask the same tired questions in the hope that someone else will do their work for them, irrespective of whether the same question has already been asked or whether they could easily find the solution elsewhere.
 
Yes but is the solution "snarky comment" or to close and dv?
 
This, was the post I'm referring to: stackoverflow.com/questions/38904053/…
It was his FIRST POST
 
I think the "snarky" stuff only brings more problems...
 
7:35 PM
@FrankerZ well i agree too harsh
 
A user comes to this site, sees that first comment...you think he's going to continue? You think Marc cares? No...not at all. People don't realize that at one point, we were all there (For the most part). Just getting started, not realizing how to search google
 
but hey this is not law enforcement or court
your points are valid
but too much work
and people dont want to do that work
so the result you see
 
Hi!
 
@PetterFriberg Was that, that post?
 
7:37 PM
-3
Q: PHP autoload classes from different directories

AlkoI have found this code that autoloads all classes within single directory, and it works pretty good. I would like to be able to extend it a bit to load classes from different paths (directories). Here is the code: define('PATH', realpath(dirname(__file__)) . '/classes') . '/'; define('DS', D...

I guess you can find the comment : )
 
@FrankerZ Yeah.
 
Man, that makes me sad
 
I have a similar one.
 
@AlexK Hi Alex...
 
yeah
 
7:38 PM
I just feel like we're scaring off our potential question makers
 
Vampire, brrr
 
@Sami Sup
 
we are already doing that @FrankerZ
 
@ColdFire No we're not harsh enough. Most of us are too empathetic :(
 
as all NPES are dups of a single nPE question
 
7:38 PM
Including me.
 
I do agree: That guy had 76 questions, and 1 answer
 
@πάνταῥεῖ well me includes all people as a whole
 
@FrankerZ Yeah I kind of agree, my first question was really bad, unclear, missing mcve etc, without any formatting (you can find it and you need to check first revision)
 
@ColdFire There are psychopaths around as well, but I'm not one of them.
 
If the community response would have been that, I probably would just have taught ok, who cares about this crap site...
 
7:40 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ well you are too old to be burning your blood i guess
 
My very first question didn't have a single downvote :)
 
I just realized RO's names are italicized
 
Petter, Today I saw pretty phrases made with help of transliteration (Russian -> English)
)))
 
Only my later ones caught some, years later due to revenge...
 
@FrankerZ your name isnt currently for me
 
7:41 PM
@ColdFire I'm old?? :((
 
Refresh
 
@AlexK in socvr : ), the guy that asked if we speak only english?
 
my first answer i got downvote
damn that stupid guy
 
@AlexK we need to get docs going sooner or later : )
 
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7:42 PM
@Sami Sup
 
@queen fp
 
@Petter No, it was a foul language. With humor )
 
i caught a heavy cold
i need some fire of mine
@πάνταῥεῖ you said so yourself
hey @AlexK
 
@FrankerZ and @Tunaki as conclusion I will prepare a meta on git related to this issue, with some examples, we can edit it together and then post it to see what community says (I wanted to get the stackapp post going before)
 
I really would appreciate it, and I thank you
 
7:46 PM
@ColdFire That makes a big difference if I'm telling you I'm an old fart vs you telling me son!
 
I have already prepared some stuff... but need the stack app post to be visibile for atleast a week
 
petter that sounds nice
 
Just don't forget about it
 
hence my mate post is not about queen but only about how community judge this stuff.. and I hope SE staff jumps in (since I have a felling that for community it is ok, but for SE it is not)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ well old people are not hot blooded and dont get angry easily , that is the only point i wanted to make, didnt know you wont like being told old
 
7:49 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ hahah gang bang ha ;)
 
@ColdFire That's probably a myth. I'm just smoking enough weed to stay calm enough :D
 
True. A person gets old once he/she stops playing.
And not the other way around
(stops playing when he/she gets old)
 
@PetterFriberg Good idea
 
@FirstStep Well, since I'm adult, all of the toys I received (bought myself or got as present) are still in their original packaging ;)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ ehm.. maybe you need bigger toys then ;)
big boys want big toys
 
7:56 PM
lol
 
@FirstStep These all are meant for my retirement provision, and I will sell them to sothebys one day :D
 
but...
 
can I have one gold badge from you when you retire? Pwiiizzzzz :P
 
what are you going to ask @Petter?
 
lol
 
7:59 PM
Just how to classify comments?
 
@FirstStep I'm going to make a big auction then.
 
I'll search for the existing Metas... I'm not sure what more we can add.
 
two main points "The snarky stuff" with examples
 
lol
 
the other is language issue fuck, wtf, rtfm etc...
 

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